Curry's range is phenomenal. Sadly, young players are way too focused on emulating his shots from half court.
@alfasiger4178
Жыл бұрын
Curry turned the game into a 3 pt shooting competition. Now that the importance of the big man is coming back, i started watching the sport again. When I try to see what the hype was behind curry, all I saw was a 3 point shooting role player. Ray Allen, Andrew Tony, and Reggie Miller was doing what Curry was. Curry is just a 2.0 version of these guys. He really is overrated.
@snappyone
Жыл бұрын
@@alfasiger4178 ha, had to look up who andrew toney was
@alfasiger4178
Жыл бұрын
@@snappyone Hell of a player if it wasn't for injury. Highest point of release and had speed. But staff didn't believe him about the foot problems he complained about.
@blurplebear8573
Жыл бұрын
@@alfasiger4178 Mark Price was doing this before all of them. If they all played right now, in this league they would all be better than Curry. His dad would be better than him in this league with the skill set he had in his era.
@alfasiger4178
Жыл бұрын
@@blurplebear8573 I also consider that defense is soft in this era. Dependency on the zone is a big factor to this. The league has gotten softer. Curry in the 90's or in the Price era would be no more than an all star at best.
@dnice4145
Жыл бұрын
Sports media spends way too much time talking about top 10, the goat, legacy blah blah blah instead of just covering what actually happened on the court. It leads to mindless floping back and forth on narratives depending on how a player performs on a given night. Remember when Chris Paul played great in a couple playoff games 2 years ago? The conversation with these dummies on fox/espn became centered around "is Paul a better point guard than Magic?" Its kind of nuts and is the product of having copious amounts of time to fill with nothing really to talk about of substance.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
You’re absolutely right. And I SHOULD just ignore it lol. I try to. But I still hear the chatter of the idiocy from time to time and cannot help myself but do some kind of a response lol.
@dnice4145
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack nah man, it's great to have a channel challenge some of mindless conventional wisdom that gets pushed out there and becomes defacto truth. Watch Steph have a bad game against the Lakers and the conversation will then switch.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@dnice4145 this will be a very interesting series. So much legacy commentary on the line for espn and other mass outlets. I don’t know who they want to win more.
@dnice4145
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack its definitely Lebron who they want to win more. Remember all the hate they directed towards KD for daring to get in the way of what they hoped would be a Cavs dynasty?
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@dnice4145 you’re right.
@SundayVenom
Жыл бұрын
They ruined the NBA thinking more points means better basketball. Everyone and their mama could get a 50 point game. I miss the toughness. Edit: I would put up 100 lol
@BenDovahkin
Жыл бұрын
Come on now. 50 pts is impressive, I don't care what you say.
@tom97009
Жыл бұрын
They didn’t ruin anything people copied them that ain’t the warriors fault
@SundayVenom
Жыл бұрын
@@tom97009 They = NBA
@SundayVenom
Жыл бұрын
@@BenDovahkin 🗑️
@acrobles53
Жыл бұрын
I miss the defense.
@redd1547
Жыл бұрын
How does one go from underrated and undersized before coming into the league, and being ridiculed for injuries early in his career, then not being trusted in leading a team to winning, become overrated all of a sudden
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah, KD was the best player on during the GSW era, also remeber Andre getting one finals MVP over Curry. Meanwhile, the top 25 players were always the best players on their team.
@isaiahthomas4444
Жыл бұрын
Because calling Steph the G.O.A.T of basketball is overrating him. ESPECIALLY since he doesn’t play both sides of the ball
@redd1547
Жыл бұрын
@@isaiahthomas4444 thats the thing, its only little kids who say this kinda bs
@isaiahthomas4444
Жыл бұрын
@@redd1547 nahhh there’s GROWN ass men saying the shit now too.
@redd1547
Жыл бұрын
@@isaiahthomas4444 yea that be the bandwagon warrior fans😂
@geekUSA101
Жыл бұрын
The nba game is basically a joke now and stats are inflated. It’s not like the players in the current era are extremely better, with better fundamentals. No, the game is just flat out embarrassing now imo
@ninjedi6710
Жыл бұрын
facts. they obviously better but people ignore the fact that the new rules basically tie the hands of defensive specialists. ankle breakers/deep 3/poster dunk highlights are everywhere. defensive players could barely shine in todays rules.
@Space_Ache
Жыл бұрын
100%. Put prime Kobe in today's league and he averages 40 points a game. Prime Shaq gets 20 rebounds a game. The NBA is most easily equated to NCAA football. All offense. There is little to no urgency on defense. My worry is these inflated stats will lead many to believe very good scorers are Hall of Fame players when in reality their game just fits the modern NBA model. Most sports viewers dont enjoy a game where the score is 39-41 at halftime. They want the score to be 66-74. Its wild.
@scottb3034
Жыл бұрын
@@Space_Ache that's already happened. a lot of players even find most of today's scorers better than the elites of old.
@Space_Ache
Жыл бұрын
@@scottb3034 i am not in tune with younger NBA fans. Sad to hear my worry is the reality.
@scottb3034
Жыл бұрын
@@Space_Ache I know of it simply because they invade older player videos....mostly MJ and talk about it. But thank for the condescension.
@edgybravo4287
Жыл бұрын
I think he is slightly overrated but I don't think he's the most overrated that has to be Bron. Curry is undoubtedly one of the top 15 guys of all time some say top 10 sure he's close. I rarely hear the argument he's the goat. Meanwhile Bron is maybe a top 6-7 player of all time and he's looked at as the "goat" by so many young people. And the thing about Bron is people have been arguing he's the goat when he had 2 rings lmfao now that's overrated.
@ducatarina
Жыл бұрын
Curry Is Not above Wade, Curry Is Top 25 at least
@johnsepulvedacruz6428
11 ай бұрын
I'm 23 years old, the debate is not close. I 100% agree.
@Madman-en8db
11 ай бұрын
Totally agree. LeBald Janes is the most overrated
@Va11idus
11 ай бұрын
Bron is more overrated generally, but there are some crazy Curry fans out there. Saying curry is better than magic is pretty close to saying Bron is the GOAT in ridiculousness imo. "bUt hE cHanGeD tHe gAmE!!"
@ArkhamDeluxe
10 ай бұрын
He did?@@Va11idus
@remnant8898
Жыл бұрын
There is no argument to be made for Curry to be the GOAT, and you're not hearing that from anyone except people who are trying to give hottakes. But the idea that he is the most overrated player of all time is ridiculous. You lost credibility to talk about this topic from just your first 2 points. #1. You're looking up raw stats in scoring and assists for the regular season, but fail to mention that the players you have mentioned have either been in the NBA for more years and/or played between 30-300+ more games than he did. What are the averages for scoring and assists? What's the efficiency looking like? For "context, Curry averages over 24/5/6.5 on 47.5/43/91 splits. Who's doing that, CP3? That gives you a better idea of where he stands. That's Pretty disingenuous. #2. You bring up raw stats again for the postseason, then have the audacity to use Tony Parker as an example. For more context, TP averaged 18/3/5 on 46/31/73 splits in 226 GAMES, whereas Curry averages 27/5/6 on 45/40/89 splits in 141 Games. TP played in 85 more playoff games than Curry, why wouldn't he have more total points? The rest of your argument is just bloated casual talking points. Dame averages more points than Curry on significantly less efficiency than Curry. Does anyone in their right mind think that he's a better player than Steph? Karl Anthony Towns? Russell Westbrook? there are a plethora of players that would be designated as the most overrated, including LeBron, Kobe, Harden, Westbrook, CP3, etc. but this right here is an L vid.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I am seeing a plethora of takes to include Curry in the top 5 with another ring here. It’s already general consensus that he’s top 10. And quite frankly, I didn’t really need to make a video at all on this subject. Or at least it didn’t have to be beyond 1 minute. Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Kobe, Lebron, Wilt, Duncan, Bird. Those are 9 players that steph Curry will never ever be above in my opinion. We can quibble with the remaining spot. You want to give it to Curry, I’m ok with that provided he wins another one this year. Otherwise, I’d just assume have Hakeem in that 10th spot. What’s bloated is this entire era. Scoring his up nearly 20 points per game from just 10, 15 years ago. Hence so too is “efficiency”. Nikola Jokic is arguably the most efficient player who has ever lived. Above Lebron, Jordan and Wilt. We really believe that’s accurate or it’s era specific inflation going on? You asked for what the efficiency looks like? I have it in there. He’s 20th all time in PER and there’s 8 active players rated higher. I’m not “hating on curry”. There’s a fixed amount of spots in this top 10 and top 5. And bulk statistical accumulation is a factor. It’s the MAIN reason many have Lebron at 1 or 2. Curry was the best player in the NBA finals once out of 6 finals. I doubt you made it through this entire video, but to me, the best case against him is the last point I made. Steph Curry has never been the best player in the NBA. Not his own era. I think you’re disqualified from ever being included in “Mount Rushmore” conversations if you’re not even the best player during your own time. But that’s just me.
@remnant8898
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack First, if we're being objective, based on his resume and impact, Curry is clearly top 10. Secondly, Curry clears Kobe, Shaq and Hakeem. You can't talk about greatness and not include playoff success, impact on the court, along with the accolades, records etc. and has done more in less time than Bron. Scoring today is on par with the scoring of the 80s (where most of your top 10 played), and the early 90s, so unless you had a problem with scoring back then, you shouldn't have one now. So, he's 20th all time in per. What's your point? For context, Hakeem is 21st, Bird is 23rd, KOBE is 29th, Bill Russell is 121st! Did you really think that you were going to get away with such a fragile point? Heck KAT is 14th, AD is 4th, are they better than Curry? Just using analytics further destroys your argument. I agree bulk statistical accumulation is a factor, but its not the overwhelming factor. LeBron has more points than Jordan and more assists than Magic. Is he a better scorer or play maker than them? Of course not. You have to put things in its proper context, like games played and averages. Throwing out Tony Parker, (who averaged less than 18ppg in the playoffs) having more points in the playoffs than Curry (who averages 27PPG) when he's played over 80 more games makes you look like your being disingenuous. And that's another lie, Curry was the best player on his team for at least 3 of his 4 chips. Forget the narratives, and robbery. The facts are the Cavs made their entire defensive strategy on stopping Curry, not KD, and the Raptors box and one'd Curry because he was the only consistent scorer when Klay missed a game and went down in game 6. And Steph has been the best player in the league since 15. He's owned this era, not Bron. He's beaten Bron 3 out of 4 times, changed the game, and is the most fearful player when teams step out on the court. If not, then name a player who gets picked up from half court consistently in a game or makes the opponent as nervous when has or doesn't have the ball in his hand. The idea that one has the only dynasty of this era, and he didn't own the era is unheard of. Just admit that saying Curry is the most overrated player in NBA history is an ESPN/Kendrick Perkins hot take and move on. You'll be forgiven.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@remnant8898 The reason the video was made is because unfortunately, it's not a hot take that people are putting Curry higher than he deserves to be. You just did it. I was born in 1984. I was 12 years old When Bryant came into the league. I watched every game of his entire career. Now while I cannot boast that about Curry as I have not seen it all, I have seen roughly 30% of his regular season games and 100% of his playoff games. In no way does Curry "clear Kobe". Kobe scored more in a much more difficult era. Sure scoring today was on par with the 80. Agree. Its on par with the 90s. Agree. Do you know what it is not on par with? Kobe's ENTIRE ERA! The slowest scoring, lowest paced era ever and it isn't particularly close. Want to talk context? Kobe wasn't even a starter his first two full seasons and averaged only 13 points per game on 10 shots per game his first three seasons. He ruptured his achilles at age 34 in his 17th season and never returned to peak form after that. Take a gander at his 14 years in between. He led the NBA in points per game over that span and total point scored. Average nightly scoring for those 14 years was 97 points per game and pace was in the low 90s. He made 13 all NBA teams in those 14 years and 12 all NBA defensive teams while going to 7 finals and winning 5. Against more 50+ win opponents than any player EVER. He's beaten 26 in his playoff runs and Curry has beaten 14. Further, Kobe never played with more than one all star on any of his 7 finals runs. Curry's teams had 4 all stars for two of his titles and 3 for another one. Curry clears Kobe? Absolutely, patently false. This is why I felt the video needed to be made. It's not hot take or click bait. I have published 48 videos in roughly 3 years on this platform and every one of them is something I believe strongly in. And many of my formations of takes I feel most strongly in is because I watched Bryant's entire career live over 20 years. Then had to sit by and watch LeBron get elevated over him way too soon and undeservingly. Now the same things is happening with Curry. You think I was unfair to Curry? Fair. I appreciate your opinion. Now let me tell you mine, as someone who has watched every playoff game of every series of NBA basketball for 30 years. Kobe Bryant is an undeniable top 5 all time player. So if you want Curry in there, figure out someone else to remove than Bryant. He is top 4 in regular season and playoff scoring. He is top 3 in most 40, 50 and 60 point games in NBA history. He won 2 of the most difficult rings ever when factoring in opponent and complimentary help. Harder than any rings LeBron or Curry have won.
@remnant8898
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack No, Curry deserves to be ranked in the top 10 and its evident. You've pulled rabbits out of the hat to call him the MOST overrated player in history. That's ridiculous. Well, I'm almost 10 years older than you, and I've seen the majority of the players you mentioned in the top 10, and Curry for most if not all of their careers. And yes, based on the very information you used to try and disprove Curry, he clears Kobe in almost every metric. How you've only seen 30% of his games yet can make such an opinion is beyond me. When you look at offensive rating during Kobe's career, its right on par with the ortg in the 2010's. For more context, the year Curry won his first MVP in 15, the average points per game was 100, which is identical to when Kobe made his 3 finals runs, winning two chips and in 16 was just 2 points more per game. You forgot Curry came into the league in 2009? He's a better shooter, play maker, averages more points, rebounds assists and steals in the playoffs, is clearly more efficient in all three offensive phases of the game, is superior in the Finals and didn't have as bad a collapse as Kobe did in '04. And I think you're overlooking context again. Kobe had a Peak Shaq for Four Finals and THREE chips, as well as a 2 years removed former All NBA player in Glen Rice . KD, Klay or Dray are incomparable to that. In addition, without Curry, Klay and Dray are not all stars or future hall of famers. It can never be said that Kobe made players that much better to become allstars let alone hof'ers. NOW, having said that, I still believe Kobe clears Bron, and I respect your opinion concerning for believing that Kobe is better than Curry. But I go back to your general vid that he's the most overrated player in history. Its blatantly false. Also, I don't have Curry as top 5, and I don't have Kobe as top 5. All of those scoring achievements are great, but he's woefully inefficient, to the point of shooting his teams out of games, and those 2 rings you speak of were not by ANY stretch the most difficult rings ever. Pau was an All NBA player for the 3 years that they went to the Finals, had a very good player in Odom with a complimentary bench, when they went up against the Orlando Magic with D. Howard. Seriously, that was his opponent. Beat them 4-1. How was that so difficult? And the 2010 Celtics were just past their prime but were still very good. But they're not even comparable to what Curry did just last year against the Celtics. Pau, Metta, Lamar, D. Fischer, Bynum aren't equal or better than last years version of Klay, Wiggins, Dray and Looney with the context behind their season? C'mon bro.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@remnant8898 There have been 4 teams in NBA history that have played 50 plus win teams in 4 rounds of the playoffs: The 2001 Lakers, 2008 Lakers, 2010 Lakers and the 95 rockets. Kobe was on three of the four and won the championship in two of those runs. Pau Gasol was a nice player. He never once finished first team all NBA. He had two second teams and two third team selections and was selected to 6 all stars in 20 years. Bynum went to one all star and has zero all nbas. Odom has zero all stars and zero all nbas. Fisher has zero all stars and zero all nbas. Draymond Green has been selected to 2 all nba teams, 7 all nba defensive teams, won defensive player of the year twice and been in 4 all star games. That is Curry's third to fourth best player on his team for every title run. You mention Shaq, yet downplay Kevin Durant. Durant is a 13 time all star, 10 time all nba (6 first team selections), league MVP, two time finals mvp (twice for Curry) and he led the league in scoring 4 times in his career. Even last year, Curry scored 27 a game in the playoffs but had Thompson scoring 19, Wiggins and Poole both averaging 17 per game. For the entire playoff run. Perhaps you're right, and I have been overly harsh on Curry. But it is mainly in reaction to this exact commentary of anti Kobe takes I've been seeing for nearly 20 years now. Curry came in the league in 09-10. Yes scoring was still low for Curry's first 5 seasons, but the league exploded after that. In his first five seasons, Curry only averaged 20 points per game on 46% shooting. From 1999-2009, average scoring was only 96 per game and Kobe averaged 28 points per game during that span on 45%. Steph Curry has 62 career 40 point games. Kobe has 122! Both LeBron and Curry and everyone in this era have padded their stats in the last 5 seasons. Luka Doncic is a 28, 9 and 8 CAREER PLAYER! Trae Young is AVERAGING 26 and 9 for his career!!!!! Doncic has the third highest career scoring average EVER. Behind only Jordan and Wilt. Do you really think of Luka doncic in that light? Or is something suspicious happening in this era? Kobe had Shaq for 3 yes. Curry had Durant for 2. Bird had McHale and Parish. Magic had Kareem and Worthy. Kobe's 2 with Gasol were no where near a "super team". They went to 3 finals and faced 12 opponents. Eleven of them won at least 50 games. Their 8 seed opponent one season was the 50 win thunder with durant, harden and westbrook. I mean, ok. I have been a "hater" on Curry. I will try my best to revise my outlook on him moving forward and your points are well noted. But can we please give Kob some damn credit too!
@turntech4776
Жыл бұрын
I’d argue that as an individual he doesn’t seem nearly as impressive as other all time greats, but I don’t think there’s ever been a player that makes his team better than curry does. The nature of his scoring means he draws defenders like nobody and creates not only open shots for his teammates, but open shots worth 1 extra point. PLUS he’s clutch enough to make the big shots when he needs to. Whilst it’s not evident in his stats, his presence on court has such an all time great impact on the team winning
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Well then, he has to win more lol. He won 2 EASY titles. People want to talk about invalidating Kobe’s with Shaq. Kobe was as impactful and meaningful to those rings as Curry was to the Durant titles. I would argue more so because Kobe was the best defender on those teams AND the closer. While curry is a mediocre defender and Durant was the closer of those 2 title teams. Anyway Kobe and Shaq teams only had Kobe and Shaq. No other all stars. No other hall of fame player. The curry Durant teams had 4 all stars and 4 hall of famers in their primes. Not going to get overly worked up by those garbage rings. That means he’s won 2 otherwise. And had 2 perennial all stars and hall of fame players on both those runs. Hell Wiggins was even an all star last year. Was their perimeter defensive specialist and scored 18 per game in the playoffs. If you want to say he impact winning more than anyone else, he has has to win more than anyone else. Kobe and Jordan won MORE with substantially less against MUCH harder competition. Curry would need to win 6 titles for me to have conversation about him going over Kobe. And there’s realistically nothing he can do to clear Jordan.
@turntech4776
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack I’m of the opinion that he was only able to play his game later on in his career than any other all time great. But also I’m not gonna argue that he’s better than kobe, Lebron, Jordan, wilt etc. i just think it’s important than in the era of high paced high scoring, he is the key piece of the best team in the nba at exactly that. Klay and wiggins GOT TO BE all star players by being apart of golden state, there’s no way it would of happened elsewhere
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@turntech4776 I will agree with that. And I will agree steph is an all time great. Right around 9-12 on the all time list. In my opinion he should be considered to be no higher. Which is why I made this video. I’m hearing a lot of “top 5” shit. A lot of Mount Rushmore shit. Nope nope nope. That’s why I say he’s overrated.
@turntech4776
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack if there was a Mount Rushmore of teams, would you place his era of golden state up there?
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@turntech4776 definitely not. 80s lakers, 80s Celtics, 90s bulls, 60/70s Celtics and 00s lakers. All better. In terms of best individual teams: 96 Bulls, 01 Lakers, 86 Celtics, 87 lakers, 72 lakers 83 Sixers. All easily better.
@TheGourdKing
Жыл бұрын
Just so you know, the level of context you've added to what Kobe achieved has significantly raised his profile to this viewer. I have long had him in my top 10, but kind of dismissed him as a top 5 player and scoffed at the idea that he was better than LeBron. No more. While I want to dig for more information on other players to give them their fair shake before I rank players definitively, I would absolutely rank Kobe over James all time now.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
WOW! Many thanks for this comment. I am very grateful to hear that my videos are having some impact on people who don’t readily agree with me from the tip. Thanks for sharing and also thank you for tuning in. I appreciate you 🙏❤️
@TheGourdKing
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack I know the grind (albeit a different topic on my channel) and you’re killing it.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@TheGourdKing UGH it’s absolutely grueling sometimes 😂. Especially when you’re solo act. Thank you so much ❤️.
@jamaljammed
10 ай бұрын
top ten all time 1. jordan 2. Lebron 3. kareem 4. kobe 5 magic 6. duncan 7.shaq 8.bird 9. curry 10. hakeem
@stevenpenilla-es1ke
9 ай бұрын
No question hands down the mamba to me number 2!
@leptonparticle238
Жыл бұрын
I sure agree that trying to argue that Steph is a top 5 player is ridiculous, the best he can get is just getting inside the top 10, but Steph's game cant really be measured only by points and assists because he is the best off ball player of all time and given how much he runs around the court without the ball and how much pressure it puts on the defense that is trying to NOT leave him open for a split second, it creates an insane gravity and helps improve his teammates shotmaking without even touching the ball. That's the only reason he can have an argument to be a top 10 player, without that unique gravity his numbers with his resume are good for only about top 15-20 all time.
@zane4575
Жыл бұрын
His stats make him a top 20-30 player of all time. Don't get it twisted, his teams were phenomenal, they made his legacy 5 rings, that alone brings bias.
@HelloWorld-uw5wj
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure MJ has a better case as one of the best off ball players of all time, in the 97-98 season he averaged less than 4 minutes per game handling the ball and still was around 30 ppg. MJ' efficiency is severely underestimated by younger fans, he did most of his damage only needing 1-3 dribbles per posession.
@TheSands83
Жыл бұрын
Hes a terrible defensive player
@borisfrlic
Жыл бұрын
lmao no way Curry gets inside even top 15
@hesiiii
Жыл бұрын
@@HelloWorld-uw5wjyou can’t possibly be arguing this. steph curry is face guarded from half court, without the ball, and combines that insane defensive attention with the best off ball movement of all time. it’s not even close
@AndrewTaylorJr
Жыл бұрын
I'm normally on board with all your takes my friend, but this one I cant be. Simply because there has Never been ANYONE in the history of the league that shoots like Curry. The consistency, with every category, (off the ball, off the dribble, catch and shoot) every category he is a sniper. And last year he proved himself as FMVP and showed the killer he has grown into. Curry is also a pro ball handler and finisher at the rim. In addition, a player that changes the game should never be deemed as overrated.
@Knives007
Жыл бұрын
Yes sir.... very true...
@iamtheonlywilly
Жыл бұрын
yeah. I agree. This man has NBA players, college, and high school kids shooting and focusing on shooting. Also, everyone can't be 6'10 so he gives the little guys hope and confidence that they can compete and contribute without every play being a highlight reel.
@AndrewTaylorJr
Жыл бұрын
@@iamtheonlywilly Exactly! Couldn't have said it better.
@dynamite215
Жыл бұрын
Bingo
@adamc1667
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure he's that much better than Dame from long range. Dame been doing it for a long time without 3 other Allstars to distract defenses. That's a huge factor. Players and coaches are worried about the other 3 Allstars so it becomes more difficult to defend a player
@Jappchae
Жыл бұрын
Something is off about the section with Kobe and Shaq numbers - Kobe and Shaq won 3 titles together and lost a 4th finals appearance to the Pistons. Kobe won his other two titles with Pau Gasol. Kobe and Shaq didn't have 5 "finals runs" together even if we count the loss. You seem to put in great effort and research tho, so great job, keep going.
@MphoLukoto-lx9jk
11 ай бұрын
Yeh e included 2003 when Shaq was injured
@mmmmmmmmmmm10
8 ай бұрын
Lil but of cherry picking or a lil bit of not knowing basic facts
@BloodReaper95
6 ай бұрын
@@mmmmmmmmmmm10 Yeah, there's a good amount of missed context, but that's just to paint the picture he wants for the video.
@ZuraiLion
Жыл бұрын
What about Steph literally destroying the Celtics with only Andrew Wiggins being dependable in last years finals?
@nonanimeprofilepic
Жыл бұрын
the celtics are garbage lol that isnt a big accomplishment
@ZuraiLion
Жыл бұрын
@@nonanimeprofilepic Last year everyone said they had the best defense and they were dominate in the playoffs. Now since Steph made them look bad, they're pretenders! How ironic lol
@DivineG777
Жыл бұрын
@@ZuraiLionliterally a young unexperienced core, Tatum and Brown never been to the finals, curry had klay, Klay dropping 60 points with 11 dribbles, Poole with buzzer beaters, Wiggins with good defense, Looney with sneaky skill, draymond being the heart of the team, while curry is the left and right hand, draymond sets up the screens, controls the pace, and is a defensive threat
@nonanimeprofilepic
Жыл бұрын
@@ZuraiLion >muh defense where was their defense in the games where it mattered?
@AquarianAngel
Жыл бұрын
@@nonanimeprofilepic🤡
@Mike-ud6hd
Жыл бұрын
You mean to tell me that Curry has played 80 fewer play-off games than Kobe and Parker and has less points than them? Damn dude that's the smoking gun right there. Damn Curry for not being drafted into a power house play-off machine like the Spurs. Or not being drafted alongside a prime Shaq.. smh Curry really is a flop i've seen enough.
@tntcrewEJ
Жыл бұрын
He didn’t mention that context, huh?
@saturdayticket
10 ай бұрын
What's Kevin Durant, then?
@BloodReaper95
6 ай бұрын
@@tntcrewEJ Most of this video is devoid of context. Like what do most of these players have in common over Steph? Size and athleticism.
@chrisgoat6435
6 ай бұрын
Forget this dude 😂 He's living in a bubble anyway. Probably just desperate for clicks.
@JetEngine85
Жыл бұрын
It's just easy to say "greatest of all time" without context nowadays., Disrespecting legends who have contributed a lot to the sport.. Larry Bird has been the latest victim of that idiocy.. remember people, different era's different rules different officiating different benefits..
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Spot on 💯
@dazgordon-hill2660
Жыл бұрын
STILL seeking answers to: "When "best shooter ever" became a thing?? NEVER heard that phrase before Steph... just like few were "Chosen King" before LeBron... Now Steph is like Muhammad "Muhammad - peace be upon him" "Steph - greatest shooter ever" Like, did we say "Ray Allen - greatest shooter ever"?? Or "Reggie Miller - greatest shooter ever"??
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@dazgordon-hill2660 great point. AND you picked the two candidates for “greatest shooter ever” before steph came along. Were either of those guys consider to be in Mount Rushmore conversations due to their shooting? I didn’t think so.
@sherkjlsjdf6334
Жыл бұрын
curry overrated?lebron is most overrated player in the world
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I’m not saying you’re wrong lol. Let me put it this way. I don’t have Lebron top 5 all time. And I don’t have curry top 10. The consensus for Lebron is top 2 and curry in the top 5 now. So I’d argue both are overrated. Tho I’m warming more to curry. We’ll see how this playoff plays out.
@TheCosmosAwaits
6 ай бұрын
@@skap_attackRespectfully a lot of your takes are good but a lot makes no sense, you completely left out injuries he has had early in his career, and he was the only pg to carry a team with no Top 75 nba players EVER to the nba finals averaging 30.5. ALSO he didn’t ruin the game, he revolutionized his game style to the three ball and he so happened to be greater than the rest of history. He is one of the greatest players of all time and statistically the greatest offensive pg ever. He also was more valuable than Durant in both YEARS, why? Because he has the greatest impact and plus minus in nba history for guards and it’s not even close. Your hating. Magic was historic but I doubt he would carry a team like this to that finals and performed like curry.
@gamingnicholasnicholas9694
Жыл бұрын
It’s not that easy to score when people are double teaming you and guarding you like their life depends on it. Nobody has ever guarded a player like curry.
@alanlee67
Жыл бұрын
Defense is not a thing lol. You can't touch people. You get called for not even touching someone
@esmith5780
Жыл бұрын
@@alanlee67 u must not watch people guarding curry then they grab him, push him, pull his jersey, constantly bumped when goin for layups, but hey curry is trash cause at least 3 people are watching him to make sure he don’t and which is why u see klay and others open all the time
@zapzeus988
Жыл бұрын
@@esmith5780 So it only happens to Curry? The whole league is that way (soft ass defense), but it happens to Curry only for some reason and is allowed? C'mon man.
@iamtheonlywilly
Жыл бұрын
overrated players don't get double-teamed. NBA players know who is overrated and who's not. I'm gonna respectively disagree with his take.
@adamc1667
Жыл бұрын
Lol kobe made a career scoring over 2 or 3 defenders
@richerichism
Жыл бұрын
You call him overrated then start comparing him to Kobe and Jordan... you are the one overrating Curry. Lmao
@IHunter2k
Жыл бұрын
Curry fans compare him to top 10 nba legends overrated doesnt mean the player is bad it just means that because he is a fan favourite and so many people wants to gawk gawk 300 him he gets rated too high among legends.
@robertorodriguez4304
Жыл бұрын
"Curry" fanatics will obviously choose "Curry". The ratings must come from a reputable person and / or an expert in NBA analytics. If these experts say he is the GOAT of NBA basketball, then Curry is overrated.
@IHunter2k
Жыл бұрын
@@robertorodriguez4304 Analytics are also pressured by fans for them to rated highly.
@biguzivertwastaken
Жыл бұрын
Cyrry meatrider, hes not top 20
@karlo9572
10 ай бұрын
Dude they comparing this dude with Magic ffs
@goomy6502
23 күн бұрын
These dudes just jealous that a man shorter than them is cooking everyone
@secondnotion9506
Жыл бұрын
Well lets not forget that during the first title up to the raptors defeat. They were so dominant that there are literally games where the game is over by the 3rd quarter and he didnt have to play the fourth. That means 1 less quarter for a multitude of games during their dominant seasons. Plus on the playoffs they barely play 5 or 6 games during the kd era. And he also had to share the court with kd in those years. That hurts his stats a lot more but also makes him the most unselfish superstar in NBA.
@michaelbarnes2126
11 ай бұрын
All of those circumstances he is directly involved in so they are no excuses
@klover19
9 ай бұрын
Agreed also that last part of called portability. It's one of the best abilities you can have when being a player.
@marcossantana8239
8 ай бұрын
KD numbers in GS are higher with Curry than without him. On the other hand, Curry stats increase significantly when he was playing without KD. Man scored 36.5 ppg in 2019 WCF for example.
@marcossantana8239
8 ай бұрын
Guy showed stats to try to prove Steph is overrated, in fact, cause of those stats Steph is underrated. Curry is unselfish, not a stat padder, always try to make his teammates better, play the best offball ever. Without scoring any assists, man created lots of scoring points for the team, both by being doubled from the half court and by his off ball movement drawing multiple defensors. There's nothing wrong with his pass abilities or ball handling, it's just the way gs plays that he hasn't an amount of assists as the traditional pgs..
@AlpArslann1071
7 ай бұрын
++
@JrueHolidayThaGoat
Ай бұрын
Does this guy just hate everything to do with the modern NBA?
@Sectrix2pp
Ай бұрын
Yes, no one takes this guy seriously except for other old heads and the casual youth that get manipulated by these old heads 🤦♂️
@JrueHolidayThaGoat
Ай бұрын
@@Sectrix2pp He needs to just stop glazing Kobe and Jordan
@AnwarLL
Жыл бұрын
So based on this argument, Kevin Durant who has yet to win on his own, Damian Lillard, Jrue Holiday, Nikola Jokic, Karl Anthony Towns, Gary Payton should be ranked higher than Steph? Larry Bird is not too 10 in scoring (he's 36th), rebounding, assists, steals or blocks but he's considered top 5 in many people's lists or at worst top 10. Talk about stats without context 😂
@boatedboat9191
4 ай бұрын
Wats winning on ur own without curry? Or is it leading the team as the best player cuz kd did that curry isn’t no where near as great as he is without kd I don’t get the kd hate he was the guy everyone was scared of on golden state he hit all of the clutch shots took on bron kd wayyy nicer than y’all give credit n the win it without curry is unfair Kobe was never the same after Achilles y does kd have to?
@MaxVillarreal-ks1mv
3 ай бұрын
@@boatedboat9191 You don't join a 73-win team and say you're the best player. KD played better than Curry those 2 years because teams were game planning to lock down Curry and that meant KD got more opportunities to make plays. And Curry led his team to 2 titles without KD. KD led his teams to 0 titles without Curry. Curry was the best player on that team.
@williamsewell6094
6 ай бұрын
i absolutely love your content and i despise lebron and his fanbase, but i heavily disagree with this take
@bobbywinstead1
Жыл бұрын
Agree or not, this video is one of the best thought out arguments that simultaneously avoids bias between the recent and old school fans (like myself). Despite his exceptional off ball play, Curry is an average defender at best. There is a lot of greatness in him, but it took him a while to develop into a great offensive weapon, as the counting stats show. Stockton was one of my favorites (his defense is very overlooked) growing up but I'd take Curry any day - no comparison. Magic is still king on the PG list.
@jdrmanmusiqking
5 ай бұрын
Lol no its not.
@bobbymira8234
Ай бұрын
I think it's a stupid argument. Anyone who knows basketball will not put Curry as the GOAT. Hes not overrated. Hes RATED. Everyone knows he's probably somewhere between top 10 and top 15, but he still has a few years to go. We know what he can and can't do. If you were to put him above Kobe or LeBron, it means you don't know basketball. His impact on the game has been incredible, so when its all said and done, he's a hall-of-famer and hes going to get what he deserves which means he'll probably be viewed as a top 15 player of all time.
@jordanjenkins1671
Жыл бұрын
Curry deserves a lot of respect for being the engine of a dynasty that broke the single regular season wins record. He's also had one of the best PER seasons of all time. He reminds me of Magic in the sense that when he's on the court, the team is unstoppable. Two of his rings deserve asterisks thanks to KD but Curry proved himself in the 2022 Finals that he can win against a healthy team without KD. He's not a top 10 player all-time but he's definitely #11-#20.
@scottb3034
Жыл бұрын
Yeah he broke it at the cost of his winning the title. Congrats on overachieving to get there. Plenty of teams could have done that and not sealed the deal as well. He should have just taken the 65 wins that year and beaten the Thunder and Cavs in 6 games each. That would have cemented that top 15 status/borderline top 10.
@oteplang
Жыл бұрын
@@scottb303473 wins will never be broken in this lifetime.
@bosyogurtlight
Жыл бұрын
@@oteplangthat's what people said about the 72-10 record. Also, who cares about beating that record anyway? If you're going to choke in the playoffs, who should care about regular season?
@andrewchester3527
Жыл бұрын
Except Boston wasn’t healthy and wouldn’t have even been in the finals if the bucks were healthy and they could’ve lost to the grizzles or the nuggets if they were healthy.. but go off fam!!
@bosyogurtlight
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewchester3527 no one considered "contender" was losing to the grizzlies buddy
@dthugtherealist1
Жыл бұрын
Stephs impact has nothing to do with counting stats it has to do with his gravity. Also KD has only won with Steph while Steph has won 2 without him. He shoulda also won the FMVP in 2015 over Iguodala.
@alfasiger4178
Жыл бұрын
Nah!. Iguodala was the mvp there because they wouldn't have won without him. He was everywhere on both ends of the floor. MVP is not given because of your name or stats, but for being the reason the team won.
@eltonganza284
Жыл бұрын
@@alfasiger4178really gave a man a fmvp for locking a man to 35.8 points per game
@alfasiger4178
Жыл бұрын
@@eltonganza284 Off 39% shooting. Doesn't matter if you score 60 off 39%, its still great defense. Deprives other teammates of offense. At first I thought they gave it to Iguodala to compliment Lebron (the narrative). But like analysts pointed out; Iguo was a difference maker in very critical moments, even making Bron's life a bit hard and scoring as well. Whether or not Curry should've won it over Iguo is still up for debate. But the points made in this video are solid. Curry is not as good as people are making him out to be. Some people put him over Kobe, Jordan, and even Lebron. Nah! People who do this don't understand the game.
@diegochavez6203
Жыл бұрын
Had at least 2-3 all star level players every one of them
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah, KD was the best player on during the GSW era, also remeber Andre getting one finals MVP over Curry. Meanwhile, the top 25 players were always the best players on their team.
@raeannasevert2737
Жыл бұрын
You must be a Kings fan 😂😂😂😂
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Lol actually I have no rooting interest in todays NBA. I love basketball, and particularly professional basketball. But in today’s era, not overly enamored with any specific team or player.
@raeannasevert2737
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack I think the most overrated is Lebron
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@raeannasevert2737 I wouldn’t push back against you on that 😂
@noeljohnson1069
Жыл бұрын
If Curry is overrated why is it half of the league wants to play like him ? 🤔
@andybeardsack7898
Жыл бұрын
because he is relatable, not every player gifted with athleticism like lebron and mj.
@karlo9572
10 ай бұрын
The top 10 players in the league does not play like Curry.
@antwesten8283
5 ай бұрын
Ummm everyone wants 2 shoot 3's lol 😂😂😂 He anit even a 3 and D player lol
@ephemeral_phantom
Жыл бұрын
How can you say he is overated when the league judge him for being small in an era where tall players became the high prospect and he keeps on proving them wrong. And if you feel that he is overrated then why players double,triple team steph? Players know how dangerous that man is and needs to respect what things he can do. Theres no overating he deserve the spot what fans believes he belongs to in all time rankings
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
Soft erra. But you can't deny that Curry is not the best player on his team. Durant was the best player in GSW, not to mention Andre also won the finals MVP 😂. Meanwhile, those top 10 players are consistently the best player on their team
@Ten_Piedad
Жыл бұрын
He is overrated, don’t cry soccer fan
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
@gunnernathan7023 Let's get these facts straight, OK? Curry is the most overrated player of all time. He is also barely a top 25 player. He is currently #43 in all time scoring, few notable active players that is above him in this category are LBJ, KD, James Harden, CP3 and Russ. He is also #45 in all time NBA assist list, few notable active players that is above him in this category are CP3, LBJ, Russ, James Harden, Lowrly, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley. He is #17 in PPG averaging 24.6 points per game. (28 players are above him, including Joel Embiid, KD, LBJ, James Harden and Lillard). Not to mention, if you consider him as top 25 in the goat list, then he is probably going to be the worst defender in that list. Now let's talk about PRA/efficiency, Curry is placed #32 in efficiency rating and the notable active players above him are the Joker, LBJ, AD, KD, Giannis, KAT, James Harden and CP3. Imagine putting Curry in the top 10 list while Gary Payton have more points than him, Lillard have more career points than him and heck even KAT have higher PRA than him. There is also no championship team in the NBA history that have 4 all star players, not even Abdul, Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Lebron and Tim Duncan, no team of course other than GSW's run 2017-2019, with Curry's 4 all star teammates. CURRY IS NEVER THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA IN ANY SEASON. 2009 Curry is already in the league, during this era LBJ and KD dominated the years to come for being the best player in the legue. Fast forward to 2018 up to the current year, Giannis won back to back league MVPs and defensive award. Joker won a back to back MVP as well and the most recent Embiid... But Curry did win an MVP award on year 2015 and 2016, but unfortunately this is the year where they blew the 3-1 lead oh oh, and forgot to mention, during this season Curry averages 22 PPG, 4.9 rebounds and 3.7 assist while shooting 40% in the field. Meanwhile Lebron averages 29.7 PPG, 11.3 rebounds and 8.9 assist while shooting 49% in the field. Oh and btw yes, Irving also have more points, assist and rebounds than Curry. Sooo I guess whoever voted for Curry as an MVP that year is smoking crack. He is a glorified role player, just kidding. All jokes aside he is a great player, but not a top 10 player as 17 yr old envisioned. This is not tiktok or facebook where you find most illogical people. You kids should give credit to Steve Kerr's moving screen as well. And just to rub it in, since no one dare to show it in YT or any social media platform, Curry broke his ankles more than he broke others, CP3 did it to him 3 times, one of them flew Curry over the stands, but you will only see Curry's ankle breaker over CP3, and why is that? Cause he is the most overrated player of all time.
@dazgordon-hill2660
Жыл бұрын
@@basicallytroll2705 MY GUY!!!! It's ALL hindsight!! Winning Finals DOES NOT make you "best player in the world"!! THERE MORE TO THE GAME THAN SHOOTING!!!
@TheTariqibnziyad
8 ай бұрын
@@basicallytroll2705 wrote a whole essay to say nothing, keep crying, ill destroy it all with one word, 2022
@hakdog-mc5gc
Жыл бұрын
when you dont have enough subscribers and viewers, you try to be controversial with hottakes.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I’ve only made 48 videos in like 3 full years lol. Many of them I’m well aware won’t do overly well. I know this isn’t a popular opinion. But it IS my opinion, and I believe in it. Not being a hot taker or controversial. Also I’m not hating. There’s genuine discussions in the mass media about curry over Kobe and magic. It’s absurd. Curry can be great and overrated at the same time. He’s the fourth best guard ever at best. And he’ll never be any higher. Jordan, Magic and Kobe will all always be above him. If you disagree, I respect your opinion.
@panganibanmartinhenria.9650
Жыл бұрын
use me as dislike button 🤦 This dude must be a casual fan. 🤷
@Artistry2x
Жыл бұрын
You looking at the stats a little too much and not even bringing up the record breaking stats or the championships, you did alright trying to make a controversial argument for a video but lets be honest here.. Stephen Curry has changed the game up so he is clearly dominating being that 3 point line and that opens up the possiblilty for championships because the opposing teams have to figure out a way to defend this man. Count the rings my guy because players have to sacrifice stats for those rings 9/10
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate what you’re saying but let’s do it this way: Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Kobe, Magic, Duncan, Lebron, Wilt, Bird, Shaq and Hakeem. That’s eleven names. Two come off that list to put curry in the top 10. Who’s coming out?
@DeadRebounds
Жыл бұрын
why does he need to mention chips ok fine lets look at all the top 10 players mj has 6 bron has 4 but had much worse teams magic 5 kareem 6 bird 3 with way way way worse teams hakeem 2 fine bill russel 11 kobe 5 duncan 5 shaq 4 with worse teams all better overall then steph also revolutionizing the game of basketball dont make u better
@Artistry2x
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack Bro you said he’s the “Most overrated player of all time” yet you didn’t mention any other overrated players and now your asking me if I would put him in the top 10.. I never said he was top 10 but since your asking that means you clearly know he’s at least top 15 of all time
@Artistry2x
Жыл бұрын
Name of the video should have been “Stephen Curry is not a top 10 player of all time” but you said overrated for views bro stop the cap
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@Artistry2x I mean I could have certainly named it that. But if people are saying he’s the GOAT and he’s not top 10, he’s also overrated. Same as Lebron. Lebron isn’t top 5. People say he’s the goat. That makes him overrated.
@hudsanity_1590
3 ай бұрын
1. MJ 2-3. KAJ, Wilt 4-6. Kobe, Bird, Magic 7-12. Duncan, Shaq, Curry, West, Russell, Dirk 13-16. Lebron, Hakeem, Robertson, DR J Honestly it gets really hard like immediately after MJ..hard to make a list for NBA.
@andybeardsack7898
3 ай бұрын
the audacity to put curry who only has 1 weakass fmvp above lebron who has 4fmvp is just insanity😂Tony parker should be in your top 7-12 too because he has the exact finals record as curry, 4 rings weakass 1 fmvp 🤣
@hudsanity_1590
3 ай бұрын
@@andybeardsack7898 That's a highly limited argument. Same type of thing can be said for Curry never switching teams to try and have easiest path and bounce around to win - 4 times. He lead a team to the best regular season all time record 73-9... Changed the game by himself, not saying for the better, but left a bigger impact on the game than anyone since really Jordan, and won 4 fricken titles as the best player on a dynasty. I don't even like Curry, but I'm not putting team hopping LeBron handpicking all his teams above Curry. Curry has his faults though, so idc about putting him on same tier as Lebron though, but he really has done about as a guy like Bird did..the whole ranking gets fuzzy after Jordan. Lebron aint sniffing that #2 spot though.
@JonathanMcDonald26
22 күн бұрын
Curry isnt better than anyone you Named while Kevin Durant is better than 11 of those players you named
@hudsanity_1590
22 күн бұрын
@@JonathanMcDonald26 I would agree that you are more concerned about a Kevin Durant or Olajuwan, probably Lebron as a player, size matters. But the reality is Curry transcended the game more and had a more iconic career than KD forsure, Lebron because did it all in his drafted team, and Olajuwan is a center so just hard to compare and definitely transcended the game more than Hakeem. From a legacy standpoint, Curry just gets a notch above them. It's debatable, since those 3 you would definitely be putting higher as an individual player. Curry earned it though.
@JonathanMcDonald26
22 күн бұрын
@@hudsanity_1590 yea going off career wise as well as being good id put him above Dirk Robertson and Erving but do i think he is a better All Around player then them or better 1on1 no but he cracks my Top 15 for his Impact and Shooting 3point Ability and for Durant he has won more rings than Durant but Durant has always been on another level his whole Career for him going off career and literally how good he simply is i have to put him in front of just about everyone other than Jordan Lebron Kobe Kareem and Wilt you could also Put Duncan,Shaq ,Hakeem , Magic , Bird or Russell infront they all had great careers and were Amazing in there times but do i think any of them are a better All Around player and can guard him 1on1 if we put them all on the Court together. No but i do think it would be Close with Duncan Hakeem Shaq and Dirk and the rest of the bigs Kareem and Wilt and Prime Kobe Jordan and LeBron based off Skill wise and how good they have been there whole Career i’d put Durant in the Top 6 if he was to win another ring and finals mvp he would crack my Top 5 but just going off skill wise and who’s the best Hooper when break it down 1on1 he is questionably the Greatest to Ever Step on the Court
@jl_117
5 ай бұрын
I don't think most people look at him as a broad basketball player, but for a skill that he has truly mastered: shooting. He is so good at it that he broke the system lol. I have to respect that.
@tetshua_2127
Жыл бұрын
I thought this was clickbait. bro really does think he's overrated 🤣
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
💯
@rollz1990
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack keep these videos coming bro
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@rollz1990 that’s the plan! Thanks so much for watching 🙏
@lymphomasurvive
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack He didn't listen to 1:22 and thinks you think he's bad.
@kuzster9610
Жыл бұрын
@@lymphomasurvivenah Curry is top 10 for sure. The fact that he pulled comparison to Harden and CP3 to prove Curry being overrated just shows the opposite
@aidenfrancisco3584
Жыл бұрын
Bros a hater with no good points because in Curry's second and 3rd year he was injured and in 2020 he broke his hand and in 2016 draymond got suspended along with curry and in 2015 he got robbed of finals MVP because he was way better than iguadala and he the all time 3 point record holder
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Steph curry played in 336 games and started 330 of them in his first 5 years spanning until his aged 26 season. He played 80, 74, 78 and 78 games in 4 of those 5 years. He was a 20 point per game scorer on 46% and made one all star game during that time. He won one total playoff series. He’s had more all star and all nba supporting cast that even Lebron to get to his 4 rings. And he plays on one half of the court. Total liability on defense. I appreciate what’s he accomplished but putting him top 5 will never happen. He’s a fringe top 10 player. But I respect your opinion and ability to disagree with me 🙏.
@Ken-lt7yh
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attackhe's had more all stars help than Lebron? Huh? You trippin or something?
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@Ken-lt7yh Lebron never had a team with 4 all stars in one season. Curry had 2 such seasons and predictably won two titles. I’m by no means a Lebron defender or supporter. But Curry has had more help to this point.
@Ken-lt7yh
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack just because Curry had 2 seasons with 4 all stars ( arguable as Thompson and Green became an all star with the same team as Curry) doesn't mean he had more help than Lebron. You do know how many All Star ( former and current) Lebron has right? At this point, you're just sounding like a hater. I'm not saying you have no right to hate, but your takes are just dumb
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@Ken-lt7yh it’s actually a fact. In 2017-18 and 2018-19, Curry, Durant, Klay and Draymond all made the all star team. Two years in a row it happened. And I’ve been labeled a “hater” for years against Lebron. Actually I think what I hate is this era. There’s no defense, it’s soft and everyone teams up to steal cheap championship. Everyone’s stats are inflated and players are getting easy rings they don’t really deserve. I guess I just have to find a way to evaluate these players within the times that they existed.
@joinpsye7045
Жыл бұрын
This time, I disagree with you on this take. He changed basketball. I'm not a dub fan, but an actual Toronto fan. You have to see the numbers he placed in the 2019 all alone against the Raptor. Among all the players on that final he willed himself to win it all. I wasn't able to remember what Pascal's, Kawhi'ss nor Fred's did in the final, but only Steph! An all time great in my books!!!
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
True! But you can't deny that Curry is not the best player on his team. Durant was the best player in GSW, not to mention Andre also won the finals MVP 😂. Meanwhile, those top 10 players are consistently the best player on their team. But if we are following your logic, it sounded like Harden is the best player of all time the way he changed the game.
@DivineG777
Жыл бұрын
He’s overrated.. he’s not top 10 all time like people say
@sharonwang2209
Жыл бұрын
Still… overrated
@TheSands83
Жыл бұрын
Guy is one of the worst late game performers ever
@TheSands83
Жыл бұрын
Curry missed the biggest shot in the series
@shawnhossini3321
7 ай бұрын
Steph Curry might be just a touch over-rated but Lebron is the most over-rated player in NBA history imo. It's not even close!! His preusumed pseudo greatness is media created! Lebron is top 10 all time but not top 5 imo. At least with Curry, he is not being shoved down our throats by the media every chance they get like they do with Lebron to brainwash us into thinking he's greater than he really is! And that is the reason why I think Steph is much more loved and respected than Lebron is.
@oteplang
Жыл бұрын
The Greatest Shooter of All time. THE GREATEST SHOOTER. OF ALL TIME #nodebateneeded
@kylankendrick123
Жыл бұрын
This isn't anything new , but yeah steph isn't over rated
@naturalprinciples8520
Жыл бұрын
He actually is a bit..he's good, but has way too many poor playoff games in his career.
@chambeet
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know a single person who thinks he is top 5 or a GOAT. That being said, I don’t think he is overrated.
@raimundasm
6 ай бұрын
My top 10 is: 10. Chamberlain, 9. Shaq, 8. Magic, 7. Bird, 6. Duncan, 5. Olajuwon, 4. Kobe, 3. Abdul-Jabar, 2. LeBron, 1. Jordan. Sorry, no Curry detected. PS. Side note: I'm undecided on 2-4 spots, whos better between those 3 LeBron, Kobe or Kareem. Everybody has its pros and cons.
@trickstertrip5962
Жыл бұрын
Okay let me address some of your points… 1) There are many scorers on GSW, Steph’s early career injury wasn’t taken into context, Steph sitting out 4th quarters also wasn’t taken into context… (total scoring) and assists steph has more contributions to scoring than most of the players… 2) To points per game, again it depends on the minutes Steph has played compared to those guys… 3) Player efficiency is the worst take, as you can see they’re all bigs in there and Steph averages more points and attempts farther from the basket than those guys… Once you check Steph’s efficiency driving to the rim, it’s a closed debate… Steph’s all NBA, Steph was injured in 2011, 2012, 2020, 2021… It’s dis ingenious to say Curry played healthy 5 seasons prior to Kerr… Do your research well… Steph without his all stars in 2021 even Lebron and the whole league knew Steph came back from injury although he didn’t get to the playoffs… In 2022 who was the best player in the world??? Now you mentioned MVPs as the best players and Curry had two… How many all stars were on GSW in 2015 and 16???
@antonioguglielmetti2661
Жыл бұрын
Narratives are easiest for Jordan lickers because the story was written better than it actually was.
@dazgordon-hill2660
Жыл бұрын
1) You want CREDIT for him being injured... do we get to point out his injury got him lower pay which HELPED Warriors sign other guys?? We playing "context" or not??
@trickstertrip5962
Жыл бұрын
@@dazgordon-hill2660 nobody is giving him credit for injury… Watch the video again and read what I wrote… You will understand it better…
@trickstertrip5962
Жыл бұрын
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 💀💀💀
@dazgordon-hill2660
Жыл бұрын
@@trickstertrip5962 80, 74, 26, 78, 78 - games played by Steph his first 5 yrs. YOU don't know what YOU'RE talking about.
@isaiahthomas4444
Жыл бұрын
FINALLY!!! Someone spittin facts. The Steph convos we’re getting nasty
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I don’t “hate” Steph. But, YES! We are going to far with his legacy conversations at this point.
@brianlopiccolo725
9 ай бұрын
He is so overrated fire video
@nightwing4065
Ай бұрын
I think Kevin Durant is way more overrated than Steph.
@soopainfinite
Жыл бұрын
No, you know who's the most overrated NBA player? Self-proclaimed king, Self-proclaimed goat, king of flops... don't think I need to say anymore!
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you lol. And you know I do if you spend some time on my channel 😂
@ck_idgaf1680
Жыл бұрын
At first, I thought you were saying that he's overrated, but you not, you just saying he can't be considered the greatest player. That I agree, he is one of the greatest to play.
@samfisher2306
Жыл бұрын
Wow. What stood out to me the most was Kobe's stats while playing with Shaq. Those were great numbers considering wasn't in his prime yet. If anyone ever tells me Shaq carried Kobe in those 3 wins, I'll 😂. On Steph, he changed the game because everyone started shooting 3s lol. I was shocked when you said he was overrated but you backed it up with a lot of hard cold facts.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I can see curry somewhere as low as 18 or 19 all time and somewhere as high as around 11 or 12. I’m not saying he’s bad lol. Just that he doesn’t belong with other players like magic and Kobe. And yea. Kobe is criminally disrespected smh.
@bb-double-yuh
Жыл бұрын
Shaq didn't carry Kobe, but he definitely was the better player at the time; especially when you consider the three Finals MVP's Shaq got.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@bb-double-yuh Kobe was more important to his 3 with Shaq than curry was for his 2 with Durant. The TRUTH about Kobe & Shaq: The Kobe Bryant Documentary Event kzitem.info/news/bejne/u5mhzHx-kpmCm20
@gmailgmail6234
8 ай бұрын
He was in his prime wtf
@emmanuelbarden3435
7 ай бұрын
Curry is top 10
@TheFly212
Жыл бұрын
Dude has one finals mvp.... Out of 4 wins. Meaning. When it matters the most he was the best player on his championship team 25 percent of the time.... NUFF SAID.
@vadamane
Ай бұрын
Steph curry didn’t ruin basketball. The people trying to play like him did.
@dshoec
Жыл бұрын
Steph Curry is one of the luckiest players in NBA history. He is on the right team and the right time in history, with the right coach, organization, etc. Without all of that I question if Curry would have had the career he's had. Another factor is fans place a higher value on scoring than anything else and Curry can only score and do nothing else!
@justyouraveragenoob1438
Жыл бұрын
I disagree with that take, Steph has amazing playmaking ability and has improved his defensive and ball iq considerably above the years.
@daymm8330
Жыл бұрын
Bros mad his team got swept😢
@dougbones7095
Жыл бұрын
Did you see Steph Curry in college, his college team was garbage. He can shoot from anywhere on the court with a high percentage. He practices on difficult shots.
@Youralwayswhining4367
Жыл бұрын
@@dougbones7095isn't that what the kid gets paid to do practice on his shooting
@aor_254
Жыл бұрын
With respect, I can't agree. I admit to having bias as a Dubs fan, but you could make that same argument for luck with damn near every other top 10 player in NBA history. Magic to the Lakers with Worthy, Kareem and Riley. Kobe with Shaq and Phil 2x, Lebron and his superteams, Tim Duncan and Spurs to name a few. To be clear, this is not to belittle their accomplishments, but it proves you NEED some luck and help to get somewhere. Otherwise you end up like KG or Dame. As to the point about being only a scorer, Curry does that through a combination of cutting, off ball screen navigation, and on-ball creation. Curry can definitely pass above avg, and his ability to exploit double teams opens up his teammates.
@bryang8967
Жыл бұрын
How can Steph be overrated if nobody even expected him to be this great to begin with?
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
I mean, Lebron gets a ton of hates. Meanwhile, Curry has 0 hates, also seeing a lot of people putting Curry above Kobe and Lebron, which is absolutely ridiculous. His fan base is unfortunately dominated by 17 yr old below you see on the internet, maybe that plays a factor as well.
@bryang8967
Жыл бұрын
@@basicallytroll2705 Curry gets plenty of people who criticizes him. Skip for one is a big Curry hater. And those 17 year olds probably relate more to Curry because they’re not 6’9 like lebron lol. I’ve never seen anyone put Curry above Kobe though
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
@bryang8967 Did you know that in every segment, Skip always shiy on Lebron, I mean, the disrespect Lebron is getting is out of this world. Curry is a mix of great player and overrated player. He is currently #43 in all time scoring, few notable active players that is above him in this category are LBJ, KD, James Harden CP3 and Russ. He is also #45 in all time NBA assist list, few notable active players that is above him in this category are CP3, LBJ, Russ, James Harden, Lowrly, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley. He is #17 in PPG averaging 24.6 points per game. (28 players are above him, including Joel Embiid, KD, LBJ, James Harden and Lillard). Not to mention, if you consider him as top 25 in the goat list, then he is probably going to be the worst defender in that list. Now let's talk about PRA/efficiency, Curry is placed #32 in efficiency rating and the notable active players above him are the Joker, LBJ, AD, KD, Giannis, KAT, James Harden and CP3. Imagine putting Curry in the top 10 list while Gary Payton has more points than him, Lillard has more career points than him and heck even KAT have higher PRA than him. There is also no championship team in the NBA history that have 4 all star players, not even Abdul, Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Lebron and Tim Duncan that have 4 all star player in one team, no team of course other than GSW's run 2017-2019, with Curry's 4 all star teammates. CURRY IS NEVER THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA IN ANY SEASON. 2009 Curry is already in the league, during this era LBJ and KD dominated the years to come on the best player in the legue. Fast forward to 2018 up to the current year, Giannis won back to back league MVPs and defensive award. Joker won a back to back MVP as well and the most recent Embiid... But Curry did win an MVP award on year 2015 and 2016, but unfortunately this is the year where they blew the 3-1 lead oh oh, and forgot to mention, during this season Curry averages 22 PPG, 4.9 rebounds and 3.7 assist while shooting 40% in the field. Meanwhile Lebron averages 29.7 PPG, 11.3 rebounds and 8.9 assist while shooting 49% in the field. Oh and btw yes, Irving also have more points, assist and rebounds than Curry. Sooo I guess whoever voted for Curry as an MVP that year is smoking crack. He is a glorified role player, just kidding. All jokes aside he is a great player, but not a top 10 player as 17 yr old envisioned. This is not tiktok or facebook where you find most illogical people. You kids should give credit to Steve Kerr's moving screen as well. Oh boy, here we go. Delusional take, assumptions, and misleading information. Typical Curry's d1ck massager. Conversation is over.
@benjaminan1183
Жыл бұрын
4:00 PER is a per minute stat, stars playing less minutes now makes higher scores more obtainable.
@bryanpasquale3954
7 ай бұрын
Not to mention Curry can't cover anyone on defense
@user-tx3sx7xp1q
Жыл бұрын
Curry's greatness changed the NBA and that impact is what makes him among the greatest all time players. What you do is follow stats but not his wider contribution to how the game is played today and in future
@theteleisewilliamsexperience
Жыл бұрын
Yeah into a game of everyone shooting ill-advised shots
@dazgordon-hill2660
Жыл бұрын
@@theteleisewilliamsexperience *cross half court *chuck ball at rim *say "It's a make or miss league and our shot just wasn't falling tonight" *be defended by fans on KZitem cos rich celebrity
@michaelbarnes2126
11 ай бұрын
@@dazgordon-hill2660that’s exactly how it goes 😂
@ShutThePuck
Жыл бұрын
You're just wrong and out of pocket for this take. There are super fans of every player but they don't reflect how a player is actually rated. Curry is not overrated he is properly rated as the 2nd greatest PG to ever play the game of basketball.
@essencetaiji1745
5 ай бұрын
Statistics are for losers -- Arnold "Red" Auerbach
@nana-yaw8117
Жыл бұрын
what do you actually LIKE about basketball bruh 😂😂
@tntcrewEJ
Жыл бұрын
Kobe and jordan
@FonzChannel
Жыл бұрын
I love curry purely for his demeanor. He doesn’t need to prove anything to anybody.
@kuzster9610
Жыл бұрын
The fact that you pull these stats just prove that Curry is the most underrated player. I suggest everyone watch Thinking Basketball where they actually analyze the game and you will see that Curry is possibly the greatest offensive engine in the history of the NBA. There is a reason why KD did not have nearly the same success in 2 other super teams despite having the superstars you imply to be better than Curry in CP3 and Harden
@Knives007
Жыл бұрын
Facts
@scottb3034
Жыл бұрын
KD didn't have success with two other super teams because the Nets super team never actually coalesced.....irving, harden and durant played like 25 games together. the 2nd super team is suns? Chris Paul is like 38 years old...it was durant and booker, not really a super team. As for greatest offensive engine.... LUL no.
@uberneanderthal
Жыл бұрын
neither Kobe nor Curry are top 10. and with a title this year, Jokic passes both.
@ryanholsapple6809
Жыл бұрын
Here is the thing with me when it comes to the chef. Im a huge steph curry fan and i do think he is top ten all time. And yes two of his rings were with the superteam warriors. But keep in mind that curry also played with 4 all stars, in which 3 of them were developed and drafted by the warriors. Its like the jordan bulls. The tram made jordan and pippen into what they were the same way the warriors made curry, klay, and dray into what they are. And the fact that no one talks about the fact that injuries held him back for a large part of his career is dumb. Obviously he isnt gonna have as many points as harden or paul or westbrook when they all played in almost every season of their careers while curry has missed multiple years in total games due to injuries. And also curry isnt known for being a triple double monster or a passing god, he literally lets dray facilitate the offense and gives dray the assists of his made shots. So to say he isnt even top 15? That is borderline hating. I dont have him top 5 because he would have to get a 5th ring for that, but to say he isnt better than the likes of durant, Bill russell, or wilt is kind of stupid. All of bill russell championships were with bob cousy and havelchek. That trio were 3 of the best 5 players in the league of 8 teams. So yeah they are gonna win every year. And wilt was a stat padder who couldnt get it done more than twice against the overwhelming dominance of the three hall of famer celtics team. I have kareem, jordan, leflop, kobe, and shaq top 5 all time. But i have curry top 7. I have him over magic because he is a better overall player with a way better skill set. Hes over duncan who i have respect for but just dont consider him to have the influence curry has had on basketball. Only person i have over curry at 6 is hakeem. And that is because he was the whole package. Thats my personal take tho.
@dahdahdah
Жыл бұрын
yup, agree with you. this video is very selective of what he only wants to show. more about the personal stats. bro when you talk about Curry, you talk about gravity and impact to the game. which is something these dumb contect creators don't understand. making their videos seem believable with numbers and m*f*cking averages. absolute dumb take
@andrewchester3527
Жыл бұрын
Above magic, bird, d Wade, Isaiah Thomas, Duncan, bro even Moses Malone, Dirk, Giannis and jokic in terms of all time greatness is crazy. If you’re strictly taking skill set, yes he’s better than more than half those players at least, but effectiveness at the end of close games, trusting his skill set, clutch gene (the ability to not shrink under pressure) he would rank dead last amongst all players previously listed.
@ryanholsapple6809
Жыл бұрын
@andrewchester3527 Bro, the only person that you just mentioned that is a top ten player of all time is duncan. There is isn't a single fan who would consider someone like giannis, jokic, or Isiah Thomas above curry. That is just basketball blasphemy. And I get if you would want to consider duncan above curry because he won 5 chips, but duncan had barely an impact on the fame besides winning. Do you see everyone trying to be like duncan and banking in all of their shots? No, you see people pulling up from half court like curry. His impact on the game is the most we've seen from any player since Jordan. He literally changed how lebron plays! Lebron was not considered a 3 point shooter before curry came into the league. Then as soon as curry came into the league, all of the sudden, lebron is pulling up from half court. Thats called impact, which none of the players you just mentioned have.
@ryanholsapple6809
Жыл бұрын
@andrewchester3527 My bad. You also mentioned Bird and Magic. They are tope ten as well.
@andrewchester3527
Жыл бұрын
@@ryanholsapple6809 There is no greater impact on the game than winning. All players listed have a greater impact on winning *when deciding games* than curry. Influence is a whole other topic, AI influenced the culture and style of the league, magic influenced the way teams ran fast breaks, Shaq kareem and wilt all changed the way the game was officiated, bird influenced the dominance of skill set over athleticism for the league moving forward, mj and Kobe also changed the way teams were allowed to play defense, that doesn’t flat out translate to how great or clutch the player is.
@joaquindelrio2555
Жыл бұрын
Jordan had 4 all stars at one point
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
What year did Jordan have a team where there were four all stars on one team? I’m not talking about player X who made an all star in their 3rd season one time and then when they were 35 happened to be on a team with Michael Jordan. I’m talking about a single year where 4 players on one team made that all star game. In 2017, Curry, Green, Klay and Durant all were named to the 2017 all star game while playing on the warriors. In Jordan’s 6 championship seasons he had one all star on 4 out of the 6 teams.
@joaquindelrio2555
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack im sorry Chicago had 3 the year he played baseball my mistake
@joaquindelrio2555
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack i agree with you about curry
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@joaquindelrio2555 not refuting that curry is great. BUT not as great as his consensus has reached.
@jeremyfuller7730
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attackso what about Jordan having the best rebounder, defender, another top 5 defender, best shooter, best euro player/6th man in 96. Why isn't he penalized for that but curry is penalized for playing with Klay and Draymond who were drafted and developed by Golden State? Should he have asked them to be traded so he could save his legacy?
@Nolanandan
10 ай бұрын
"Curry is so overrated" Let's just ignore the fact that he was the best player on the team with the best win loss record in nba history. Or the fact that he had arguably the best season in nba history. Or the fact that he won a championship against one of the best defenses in the modern nba when his second best player was andrew wiggins while dropping a near 40 point triple double in a game to avoid going down 3-2
@frmrfr
8 ай бұрын
Tell us you didn't watch the video without telling us
@KajinDMV
2 ай бұрын
Curry is my favorite player of todays game. For a few years now I’ve been saying Luka’s gonna be the one to carry the torch. Kobe was my favorite of all time although Jordan is the goat. Derrick Rose was my favorite PG before Steph. Kyrie is my favorite PG of today’s game besides Curry. I say all that to say, damn it’s hard to dispute some of the points you made here. Especially in the moment looking at the 2024 NBA Finals starting today. More so for impact, influence, and ability to enter one of the most super nova hot zones I’ve ever seen any player enter. Also for the sake of the rivalry with Lebron, I think Curry’s success meant he had to be Lebron’s near equal. So he was credited overall for team successes. He’s still an all-time NBA basketball phenom who changed the game on all levels, but I can’t disagree with your take entirely.
@airtime23
4 ай бұрын
Comparing the sound quality to your newest uploads my question is: what mic did you use and what do you use now? What else changed? Thanks ☺️
@thydarklight
Жыл бұрын
You big high and idek what you smoking my boy 💀😭😭
@one-on-one7077
Жыл бұрын
Nahhh, why u hating on him so much???, if anyone, Lebron is overated
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, Lebron IS overrated. I’ve done plenty of videos on that already lol. This whole era is overrated. Luka Doncic is averaging 28, 9 and 8 for his career in this era. It’s just a bloated, inflated era.
@lakeshowbron4747
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack oh you not no Bron hater I was wrong you juat hate this generation of players if so dont watch and analyze it that simple 💀💀💀💀
@paulwilliams2024
7 ай бұрын
Both Curry and Lebron have been over hype to be better then they actually are
@dclop4036
Жыл бұрын
For me Lebron is more overrated than Curry thus making Lebron the most overrated player in history.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Ok. You convinced me 😂. I’m with you.
@kimo5509
Жыл бұрын
Well Luca Duncic is the most overrated in NBA history
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I agree he is overrated. But it’s impossible for him to be the MOST overrated. No one has him top 30 all time. People are talking about curry being the GOAT.
@horselivervalorant6965
Жыл бұрын
@skap_attack he IS the goat
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@horselivervalorant6965 Lolol who?!?! Curry?! Come on.
@VigilanteWilliamson
Жыл бұрын
Interesting take. Curry was no where near my top 10 or 15 with how great you have to be to be top 15. That said i do think his cumulative numbers are hurt by his mid pre Kerr years. I also think a lot of his credit comes from how muchthe game has changed since he's been in the league. He's had a MJ, Wilt like impact on changing the NBA's Meta. Id rank him top 25 personally maybe top 20 even with what you said because of the rings and the changing of the meta.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree. By saying he’s overrated, I don’t mean bad. I would rank him as high as 15-17. But I hear people talking top 10, 5, Mount Rushmore. Nah
@DivineG777
Жыл бұрын
1 fmvp
@DivineG777
Жыл бұрын
4 easy carried rings
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@DivineG777 I mean I hate to say I agree with this. But the competition level compared to the talent level of his teams does scream “easy rings” to me.
@DivineG777
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack the way you explained that really confirms it
@MrCorner21
10 ай бұрын
People get carried away man...I was a big fan of the early Warriors dynasty. But they lost me when they started saying this man is top 10 all-time...that's insane. That must mean KD is top 5 then, because he was the best Warrior for 3 straight years
@andybeardsack7898
10 ай бұрын
People goes crazy when he won his one and only fmvp and acting like he won three peat all by himself🤣
@MasterSpade
Жыл бұрын
While Curry IS Overrated, he is not the "Most" overrated of All Time. That Titles belongs to = Lebron. Lebron is #1 on this list because he is nowhere even NEAR #1 for the true GOAT list!!! Jordan is the GOAT, and #2 is not even close. Lebron is Top 10 All Time, but alot closer to 10 than 1. The reason Lebron is more overrated is because of where his HOmers try to rate him. No one rates Curry as the "GOAT". That is why Lebron is more "Overrated" than Curry. It all comes down to where most rank those players, and where they actually belong. Both Overrated.
@StraightTawk
Жыл бұрын
If anyone is overrated it’s LeBron James not Steph Curry. Curry is a true champion and he’s about to win his 5th ring and third traditional ring
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Lebron is most certainly, extremely overrated lol. I’ve already made like 6 videos on him tho. I have to share the wealth.
@aaronflowers8881
Жыл бұрын
Lol nope. They goin home!
@Kendricktimes2
Жыл бұрын
How is Lebron in any reasonable way overrated 😂
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@Kendricktimes2 because his general consensus has exceeded his reality. He’s an all time great, but certainly not top 2.
@JayTooTactt
Жыл бұрын
This guys buggin😂
@mr.freeze3514
Жыл бұрын
Curry nowhere near goat status he is more on Labron level 😊
@allensansone6537
5 ай бұрын
Curry is not overrated
@Itznik2
Жыл бұрын
stephen curry has goat skills, no one has a combination of handles and shooting like he does ever. hell he even good off ball
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
He’s nowhere near as lethal a high end scorer as Jordan or Kobe. When I say nowhere near, I mean he doesn’t belong in their stratosphere. They’re both longer, better attacking the basket, and while Kobe didn’t have the range of steph, his difficulty of shot taking and making were much higher than Curry. I’m not “hating on curry”. I’m just suggesting he’s most certainly overrated. You’re talking “goat skills” without even mentioning he’s a substandard and weak defender. Sure magic was “bad” at defense. Anyone else I consider “GOAT level” or on the Mount Rushmore conversation is at least a very good to an elite defender.
@Itznik2
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack from midrange yes but curry has made the most ridiculous shots ever, and is very good at attacking the basket as well, dribbling shooting and passing, no one has a better combination of the 3 skills than steph
@ronald8664
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack bro said Kobe, Kobe was a shot chucker bruh
@Youralwayswhining4367
Жыл бұрын
@@Itznik2man Jokic has had more assists per game over the last 4 years than Steph
@naturalprinciples8520
Жыл бұрын
@@Itznik2 He's also had a BUNCH of poor playoff games for someone considered to be an all time great. Like poor shooting percentages, not very good 4th quarters at times, poor shot selection, etc..He is skillful for sure of course, but this modern era is a bit inflated in general.
@vineezyproductions9638
Жыл бұрын
Curry more overrated than Westbrook, LeBron and Harden?! C’mon Skap 😂😂😂, even our late great Kobe Bryant would disagree with you on that. Although we can definitely say he’s had an impact hurting the nba playing style although most of the guys he’s inspired with the 3 point shooting could never play off the ball as good as curry. I think he’s becoming a bit underrated in terms of other things he does on the court besides shooting compared to the 3 other guys who i mentioned who are so ball dominant.
@Grievous_
Жыл бұрын
Facts James Harden and Westbrook are way more overrated, actually Curry is UNDERRATED, he needs to be getting talked about MORE!!! And people ranking Curry outside top 10 are Curry haters who are most likely Bronsexuals
@vineezyproductions9638
Жыл бұрын
@@Grievous_ biggest tell tale sign is when you’re watching a game and you’ll notice harden, westbrook and lebron are literally standing around at the 3 point line simply waiting for the ball to come back. they don’t cut, rarely ever set screens for teammates to get wide open nor do they crash the glass to possibly get offensive rebounds. whats even worse is when they don’t even try to get back on defense. everyone talks shit about how bad of a defender stephen curry but in reality he gives way more effort, he reads the passing lanes, he’ll take a charge every now and then. those other guys literally lose their man on a backdoor cut at least once every game and then point the finger at a teammate. i’ve never seen curry blames teammates for his own defensive lapses.
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah, KD was the best player on during the GSW era, also remeber Andre getting one finals MVP over Curry. Meanwhile, the top 25 players were always the best players on their team.
@vineezyproductions9638
Жыл бұрын
@@basicallytroll2705 a finals mvp that he did not deserve although he played great defense. all credit goes to Steve Kerr for inserting him into the lineup, which iguodala was against initially until they saw the success of going small against the cavs because lebron loves to play iso ball.
@basicallytroll2705
Жыл бұрын
@vineezyproductions9638 Hello baby boy, I love how cute your logic was. Unfortunately, you may need to hop down from Curry's d1ck and look at the facts below: Curry is a mix of great player and overrated player. He is currently #43 in all time scoring, few notable active players that is above him in this category are LBJ, KD, James Harden CP3 and Russ. He is also #45 in all time NBA assist list, few notable active players that is above him in this category are CP3, LBJ, Russ, James Harden, Lowrly, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley. He is #17 in PPG averaging 24.6 points per game. (28 players are above him, including Joel Embiid, KD, LBJ, James Harden and Lillard). Not to mention, if you consider him as top 25 in the goat list, then he is probably going to be the worst defender in that list. Now let's talk about PRA/efficiency, Curry is placed #32 in efficiency rating and the notable active players above him are the Joker, LBJ, AD, KD, Giannis, KAT, James Harden and CP3. Imagine putting Curry in the top 10 list while Gary Payton has more points than him, Lillard has more career points than him and heck even KAT have higher PRA than him. There is also no championship team in the NBA history that have 4 all star players, not even Abdul, Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Lebron and Tim Duncan that have 4 all star player in one team, no team of course other than GSW's run 2017-2019, with Curry's 4 all star teammate. CURRY IS NEVER THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA IN ANY SEASON. 2009 Curry is already in the league, during this era LBJ and KD dominated the years to come on the best player in the legue. Fast forward to 2018 up to the current year, Giannis won back to back league MVPs and defensive award. Joker won a back to back MVP as well and the most recent Embiid... But Curry did win an MVP award on year 2015 and 2016, but unfortunately this is the year were they blew the 3-1 lead oh oh, and forgot to mention, during this season Curry averages 22 PPG, 4.9 rebounds and 3.7 assist while shooting 40% in the field. Meanwhile Lebron averages 29.7 PPG, 11.3 rebounds and 8.9 assist while shooting 49% in the field. Oh and btw yes, Irving also have more points, assist and rebounds than Curry. Sooo I guess whoever voted for Curry as an MVP that year is smoking crack. He is a glorified role player, just kidding. All jokes aside he is a great player, but not a top 10 player as 17 yr olds envisioned. You kids should give credit to Steve Kerr's moving screen as well.
@nickolas6060
Жыл бұрын
Omg someone who can actually see this!! Bravo
@fixerpads1432
Жыл бұрын
Here’s the deal. Steve Kerr changed Curry’s career. Period. The style of play he created ( which in turned changed the NBA ) and the front office getting the right pieces around him. Nothing against Mark Jackson but if he remained the coach then Curry’s current career would have never existed. Think about this. Swap Damian Lillard for Curry when Kerr took over as coach. Pair Lillard with Klay, Green, Iggy etc with their style of play and put Curry in Portland and you’d have a much different outcome for both players. The point is Curry NEEDS to be on a specific team with specific players and a specific coach in order to bring out his greatness ( which is only shooting ) while you can put Giannis, Jovic and of course Lebron on ANY team and you’ll see the impact they have on the game instantly. He’s a classic case of right place at the right time with the right players IN the right era of basketball 🏀
@cleasanna05
Жыл бұрын
curry is a glorified role player who would not be in the league if we could not shoot the 3 so well. So yes he needs the right pieces and system to be "great" because he does not do anything else elite besides shooting. However, he seems to be a good teammate and have little ego, he is good for team chemistry, so that counts for something. But take him off the warriors and put him on the magic or hornets and those teams won't get any better because curry and his skill set are very limited besides spacing and shooting.
@officialconch
Жыл бұрын
This guy forgot Curry is still an active player? 💀
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Yea he’s still active. So is Lebron. I’ve seen enough from Lebron to know he’s never going to be the goat. And I’ve seen enough from curry to know he’ll never be remotely near the top 5.
@IAmTheTruCanadian
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack You were with me till you said this. Players can improve... because if they couldn't that's a horrible take on your part. So Lebron can't win more championships and you'll still argue in favor of Jordan on what metric? Emotion? If you like MJ's personally more... that's a different debate. This is delusional.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@IAmTheTruCanadian Lebron has played longer, had vastly more supporting case help and played weaker competition. He cannot do enough at this stage of his career to surpass Jordan. He’d need to win 3 more rings as the best player on a team. You can make a valid case Davis is the best player on this team and James is only going to decline more. I don’t see him winning 3 more rings as the best player on a team. But if he does that, sure, I’d have to put him above Jordan at that time. And truth be told I’m not a HUGE Jordan fan. Just someone who has evaluated his entire career vs Lebron.
@eurygameplays312
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack lebron the goat 🐐 don’t matter what anyone says a man in he’s lates 30s still out here keeping people up at night jordan could never if bron gets a team remotly as good as Jordan had in he’s time you know he could have rings on every finger and I don’t think the jordan bulls could beat the warriors dynasty like bron did in 2016 it’s a different ball play back them and now in todays standards jordan would be maybe top 10 what I think makes Jordan a memorable guy is what he accomplished off the court but inside the court nah bron better
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
@@eurygameplays312 Kyrie Irving out played steph curry in 2016. Kyrie Irving averaged 27 points per game on 48% in that series. Jordan never had anything remotely like that. Or AD averaging 27 and 11 in the bubble. Lebron has played with as much talent or more than Jordan and he’s played weaker competition overall. Jordan has played more 50 and 60 win teams than Lebron and he’s got a higher winning percentage against those teams than Lebron. I’m not a Lebron guy by any stretch of the imagination. But I do have Lebron over curry. Warriors have the better team in this series. Lebron has the best sidekick in AD. Will be a strong series.
@AnwarLL
Жыл бұрын
Lol man talks about Curry in the 2016 finals like the dude wasn't battling through an MCL sprain which got worse as the series waned. Even the Cavs staff went on record stating that there was a gradual erosion to his game. He moved off-ball significantly less as the series went on. Could hardly get separation from Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love lol.
@michaelbarnes2126
11 ай бұрын
What about in Toronto lol
@remnant8898
9 ай бұрын
@michaelbarnes2126 you mean the series where they box and one'd him all series because he was their only offensive that for all six games? Didn't think that one through huh?
@silent2k868
5 ай бұрын
i love your videos. but this take. i disagree. since his basketball journey he's been doubted that alone meaning he is already underrated. NOBODY believe he can knock the door of being in the conversation of the GOAT PG or should i say nobody saw it. he defies all odds. of all nba greats he is the greatest average in terms of being physically gifted. he is the only player THE ONLY in nba history that change the basketball WORLD. The most overrated player in nba history is Either Lebron or Shaq. Shaq is the only player in nba history that has been constantly being called DOMINANT but got sweep 6x in his career. i cannot say someone is overrated when he change almost every rulebook of any team in nba history.
@JahReeno
Жыл бұрын
Too many numbers, not enough context … Basketball is a sport with hundreds of ever-changing and unquantifiable variables …
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Sure. I mean I can reduce this simply to my “eye test” of watching pro basketball since 1995. He’s not even a top 10 player that I personally have seen in that time. So I struggle to see how he’s top 10 all time. Just my own personal opinion. We’re all entitled to them.
@shinyhappyshibas1385
Жыл бұрын
All true. Curry has changed the NBA with his long range shooting ability (for the worse IMO), but this is exaggerated in an era where most people only watch highlight videos. They don't see all the missed shots and totality of the game. Another logical and well made video!
@theteleisewilliamsexperience
Жыл бұрын
Exactly his misses more than he makes
@hesiiii
Жыл бұрын
@@theteleisewilliamsexperienceyou’re joking right? you can say this about nearly any all time great. curry is one of the most efficient volume scorers in history
@dazgordon-hill2660
Жыл бұрын
"He's a sniper" 43% from 3 "Nobody shoots like Curry" Man have averaged 50/40/90 They'll have you believe he shoots 80% from 3!!!
@YouTubeProgramming
Жыл бұрын
Very hot take, I think u gotta put curry top 15 cuz of the rings but u do gotta point of him being carried but most teams try to do the super team thing in this era. I feel like point 1 is invalid because of recency and longevity. But point 2 you should’ve elaborated on the mathematics more. Kobe and MJ scoring 37 when the teams was scoring 97 but if you mid to high 20s when team’s scoring 115, then you could’ve made the argument that adjusted for pace Kobe/MJ could easily average for 40. Also since players are more “efficient” according to PER you could make the case Kobe and MJ could average a 50 game season. I like the analysis but I disagree he’s overrated because all his stat comps are other hall of famers but he’s gotta be at least top 25. But him being the GOAT is just asinine
@KingBreeze07
9 ай бұрын
Oscar Robertson an Jerry West are ahead of him on damn near every statistical list an they didn't have the privilege to assemble superteams. Curry had KD for 2 titles that's literally like West an Robertson playing together.
@antdoge29
Жыл бұрын
this guy probably is a lebron fan that made vid
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Hahahahahhhhaha have you watching my channel at all, ever? I have at least 10-15 videos absolutely destroying the fraud king, fake chosen one, LeBum James. You can say a lot of things about me, but don’t you DARE ever insinuate I’m a Lebron fan 😂.
@brooklunwalter8122
Жыл бұрын
also i like u brought up steph record before kerr for 5 years and averaged it out but didn’t talking about how he got better and better after each szn HEALTHY
@anthonycelestin3559
Жыл бұрын
You were wrong about the timeline with Curry having 4 all stars. Curry didn’t have 4 all stars from the 2018-2019 season cause Draymond wasn’t an all star that year. Curry only has 4 all stars from the 2016-2017 season and the 2017-2018 season
@jimmynass6407
Жыл бұрын
One of the strength of Curry is his off the ball game. It's not in the stats you bring, and the tactical aspect is Always forger in this game. Some players statpad to seems better, on the other hand, the Curry's stats can't tell thé whole story about all the runs and the Space he constantly create. HE IS the system, and you need to think about the tactical aspect (more important than the stats but harder to explain)
@alfasiger4178
Жыл бұрын
When he is guarded, he is not that good. His 3pt shooting is not even that impressive. Take a look, its mostly in the 30th percentile like everyone else. His game is no different than Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, or Andrew Tony. I've tried watching curry, but he is predictable and boring because thats all he ever focuses on is taking 3's.
@jimmynass6407
Жыл бұрын
@@alfasiger4178 🤣man, you can't just spit random shooters stereotypes like that🤣 You Said he just shoot 3's but in reality, He's consistantly among the best scorer in the paint. Go look at his advanced stats in isolation, he is one of the best at it😆. This 6'2 guard is the most guarded player in the NBA. All the team's gameplan for him are insane. And... He got 4 titles in the strongest conference (AND staying on the same team). Your personnal feelings can't be take over the reality of the court.
@alfasiger4178
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmynass6407 From what I'm researching the most guarded is entirely debatable and cannot be decided; too many factors involved. Except for 2022 season, the other 3 titles were not even competitive. Warriors had no rivals and the league was in slump at the time with no team to challenge warriors. Other teams were trying to recruit guards for the changing style. And Curry had the most help out of any other superstar. And if it wasn't for Steve Kerr running that offense, Curry would not be as effective. For a point guard, all he can do is shoot. And my feelings have nothing to do with this. You're going entirely on feelings cause you're not being objective. You're spouting things I already know and examined. Look at both sides of the narrative, not just the ones that fit your liking. Curry is not as good as people are making him out to be. That is why this video analysis is spot on.
@jimmynass6407
Жыл бұрын
@@alfasiger4178 Saying Curry got the most help is totally BS. They got 3 years with 2 superstars. Look at LeBron or KD, They just change team every Time it became a little bit hard and recruit superstars. With how many All-Stars LeBron Plays with? We all know the answer. If Your argument IS saying than Curry is weak because the NBA IS weaker than him, it seems you miss something 😆 It's like the guys making critics on Jokic because he win too easily. Too much domination to be good.
@diegochavez6203
Жыл бұрын
That's because of the offensive system of the warriors not just Steph
@pashanoble9359
Жыл бұрын
If it wasn't for Kobe, they don''t win in 2000. I remember how he carried them when Shaq was out of that game 7. They were down 16 towards the end of the third quarter. That Portland team had a 34 year old Pippen on it. He made no difference in that fourth quarter. That was Rasheed Wallace's team. That last sentence was for the 12 year old Twitter trolls who wouldn't know NBA history of someone stuffed a basketball down their esophagus.
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
They wouldn't have won any of the three early 2000s titles without Kobe.
@pashanoble9359
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack Right
@cleasanna05
8 ай бұрын
@skap_attack I think you forget the league heavily favored the Lakers in the 2000s. Without the refs, the Lakers only win 1 title instead of 3 in the early 2000s. NBA is entertainment and the league will make sure its cash cow(lakers) are successful.
@whatisantilogic138
Жыл бұрын
I'd say Durant and Carmelo are WAY more overrated.
@blurplebear8573
Жыл бұрын
This is the guy who benefited the most from the rule changes that basically negated all physical contact outside of the finals. Early on in his career there were questions about whether he would physically be able to hold up cause his ankles are made out of glass. His shooting percentage also drops drastically in the finals when the defense is actually physical. If the game was played like it was in the 90s all the way until the early 2000s he would have been a marginal all star and probably would have been out of the league due to injury. He should be thanking the rules makers even more than Lebron should be.
@scottb3034
Жыл бұрын
i always made the comparison of Curry being BJ Armstrong if he played in the 90s. A 3pt champ and 1 time all-star...a good player but doesn't excel at much beyond shooting and never would be confused for a superstar. a good complimentary piece on a title team as the 3rd or 4th option depending on who was on the floor.
@blurplebear8573
Жыл бұрын
@@scottb3034 Yeah, he would have been his dad.
@TheDragontiger123
11 ай бұрын
Watch ball. Curry bulked up after 2016 to handle contact better. Watch last years playoffs and thinking basketballs most recent video on curry. He can dribble through physical defense just fine now.
@blurplebear8573
11 ай бұрын
@@TheDragontiger123 He's never dribbled through physical defense in his career. Have you watched the NBA the last 15 years? It's a glorified AAU 3 point shooting festival.
@rcardosanders2885
9 ай бұрын
Lebron is built like a tight end in football with the skills of true point guard. He has the speed of a track star and excellent decision making mind. Curry couldn't play in the eighties seventies or n ok nineties , because he is too fragile. Play close defense on like the Cavs he will not be able to score
@itsbobybobmr2880
Жыл бұрын
Curry is not the goat, but saying hes the most overrated is crazyyyy, its a joke chanel but this is why stats arent everything lol
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
To each their own. I think anyone who says curry is top 10 all time is a joke. We all are entitled to our opinions ultimately 🙏
@d.columbia9603
Жыл бұрын
Curry isn't in my top 10. The volume of people putting him over bird or Kobe is pretty silly. I have him at about 12th
@seymourdollaz8424
10 ай бұрын
I wonder if curry not having to play the second half or 4th quarters of a lot of games have something to do with his numbers being lower
@jameshillarybalonda1222
Жыл бұрын
I agree dude, Curry have been slowed down by Vanderbilt which is pathetic
@skap_attack
Жыл бұрын
Curry is amazing. And does impact the game significantly. BUT, he is also more easily stopped than other elite all time greats. Curry is more dependent on his team: pick and rolls, scheme, systematic fit, etc. than any other all time great. I just don’t see him in the same light as Kobe and Jordan. And that’s what we’re really talking about here. Making curry one of the all time great guards.
@jameshillarybalonda1222
Жыл бұрын
@@skap_attack Curry been indepedent since he won championship
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