He got proud , isolated , not accountable to no brother in the Lord , and we are all capable of falling . May God restore Him and His marriage and family on the road of recovery .
@AJTramberg
Күн бұрын
You don't know any of those things.
@CM-sy3to
Күн бұрын
No. His poor wife has endured enough. He needs to go away.
@lw6138
Күн бұрын
Where did you read this? Be careful of false accusations. We know nothing other than that it was inappropriate.
@tuppence144
Күн бұрын
I'm inclined to agree with you. It's the path King David followed. Only Steve Lawson can answer the question that's on everybody's mind. Was it worth it? Deception has many forms and pride and or arrogance is surely some of them.
@WandaRichardson-m2r
Күн бұрын
But he should never preach or pastor again!!!
@bethanyhixson3647
Күн бұрын
On this topic a friend said, “As reformed people, we have to keep in mind that theology does not equal morality.” We need to get these men off of the pedestals we tend to put them on simply because we like their theology. We need to pray for them more, searching our own hearts in the process. We all have such a desperate need for God’s Grace to walk in obedience, not just good theology.
@Amy-wh9dz
Күн бұрын
Well said 👏
@ballbreathtaker9773
Күн бұрын
And the big question: dear Calvinists, cheap gracers and works-deniers, is this pastor already saved for eternity?
@tgzhou
Күн бұрын
@@ballbreathtaker9773 and how did God predestine this sin by this man?
@sarafinaleade6124
Күн бұрын
exellent point.
@tammyc4305
Күн бұрын
My husband and I are grieved cuz he’s our Brother. I’m so sick and tired of these comments about Pastor worship nonsense, and putting people on a pedestal. People are going to prefer a pastor over another pastor. We have a wide array of who we listen to daily Steve Lawson is one of them if it didn’t shake you up and it doesn’t break your heart then what’s shame . He’s our brother we should rejoice when he rejoices and weep when he weeps and until we know any further he’s our brother. It obviously shook up Ally-she said twice she stopped mid-recording.
@angelaanderson5360
Күн бұрын
It's so important to keep our eyes on Jesus not on men.
@robertheintze9413
Күн бұрын
Including Trump, I hope?
@Sherlock245
Күн бұрын
That is wrong
@kimjohnson8471
Күн бұрын
@@Sherlock245Never feed the trolls. Proverbs 26:4-5
@CS-fi2wx
Күн бұрын
@@robertheintze9413stop, this is not appropriate. Stop it.😩
@Ottorockzzz
Күн бұрын
Amen...
@crossvillegoogler
Күн бұрын
There are no great men of God. Only a great God of men. We need to hold our leaders up in prayer, and they don’t need to be counseling women.
@1Whipperin
Күн бұрын
All Ligonier doctors, pastors, and ministers should begin showing true repentance by forsaking their titles and positions of authority among the brethren. Titles like "Pastor" or "Doctor" elevate individuals and create divisions within the body of Christ, contrary to Jesus' teaching that we are all equal under God (Matthew 23:8-12). True repentance means humbling themselves, rejecting worldly status, and embracing the servant-leadership modeled by Christ. It's time for these leaders to abandon titles and restore humility, accountability, and equality within the church. Only then can the body of Christ function as it was intended-without hierarchy or power plays.
@ashermarcus5242
Күн бұрын
They should also abandon the tulip god
@allyboo65
Күн бұрын
@@1Whipperin the Bible doesn’t say it’s a sin to call yourself pastor or teacher. The word pastor only identify you as a shepherd of your flock/church. But the scripture you referred to is saying Rabbi which means Father. We do only have one Father, God. Ephesians 4:11 NASBS And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, I understand your comment though being men can become puffed up with a title etc… Sin is ugly and we all need to stand firm in the faith, know Gods Word and deny self daily and take up our cross. Psalm 119:11 NASBS Your word I have treasured in my heart, That I may not sin against You. Luke 9:23 NASBS And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. Ephesians 6:11 NASBS Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
@danielmann5427
Күн бұрын
@1Whipperin Hierarchy is biblical and heavenly as well. A rebellious culture is one that does not recognize God's design of authority and roles.
@1Whipperin
Күн бұрын
@danielmann5427 Scripture please.
@L.W.15
Күн бұрын
“Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.” Proverbs 4:23 (NIV)
@sagrammyfour
Күн бұрын
It wasn't his heart that was the operant organ here...
@patrickc3419
Күн бұрын
@@sagrammyfour Sin starts in the heart, before physically manifesting itself. Mark 7:21-23. Matthew 12:34.
@Proverbs7755
Күн бұрын
Keeping the Heart by John Flavel was used of the Lord to change my life.
@leenieledejo6849
13 сағат бұрын
I would love to see Christians quote the New Testament too eg. Matthew 1:21, John 8:34-36, all of Romans 6 and 1st John chapters 2 thru 5. Maybe they just don't believe the Word of God. If it has no power in their lives, it's due to UNBELIEF. "And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abides in him does not sin: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested: to destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that does not love his brother" (1st John 3:5-10)
@JohnPatterson-kz8jr
2 сағат бұрын
Be careful little eyes what you see.
@juliegful
Күн бұрын
His poor wife and family! So very heartbreaking! Praying for all🛐
@PatB-wt3ty
Күн бұрын
What about the woman he defiled physically, emotionally, and psychologically? Is she worthless?
@franklogan494
Күн бұрын
@@PatB-wt3tyNo she was party to it.
@kathybates1751
Күн бұрын
@@PatB-wt3tyUnless he raped her she chose to be part of it.
@Uranium235-g6f
Күн бұрын
@@franklogan494 Right on cue like a lot of men and Adam. It's always the woman fault.
@sofiabravo1994
Күн бұрын
@@Uranium235-g6f it takes 2 to cheat.
@Romans6_23
Күн бұрын
I live in the DFW area and was thinking about becoming a member at Trinity Bible Church. My husband and I would watch online and then we found a local baptist church we really liked too. The thing that stood out to us was that Trinity Bible always had different preachers. Lawson was traveling most of the time and it seemed that would cause a disconnect between shepherd and flock. So we ended up choosing our local baptist church where the pastor is invested in shepherding the flock personally. Thank you for pointing this out Allie, we noticed that too.
@Qmedjoe
Күн бұрын
I really loved Countryside bible fellowship when I lived in Dallas!
@jimfoard5671
Күн бұрын
@@Qmedjoe Bless you.
@NathanLongacre-jo6cx
Күн бұрын
I am from the DFW area, but I go to Mater Dei in Irving.
@OlgaSmirnova1
Күн бұрын
@@Romans6_23 this traveling preachers trend is not the greatest
@yllatusmuna
Күн бұрын
Revival Today Church DFW is also a good option.
@neilhess2518
Күн бұрын
Allie: You are one of the wisest, well grounded believers in mass media. Thank you for your example.
@christianuniversalist
Күн бұрын
yeah, no
@Icayn
Күн бұрын
So was Steve
@tensyd7
Күн бұрын
Thanks Allie for giving us a new clear perspective of our leaders & preachers & how important it is for us to pray for them just as much as we pray for our families. God bless you ♥️
@gingrai00
Күн бұрын
Agreed. She is quite insightful.
@thatsmynamesowhat2949
Күн бұрын
@@christianuniversalistAllie has more intelligence in her pinky toe than you your entire brain.
@aldocardenas3282
Күн бұрын
Common sense tells me that if Steve had just preached the Sunday before "confessing", and if the ultimate goal is his repentance, then he came out clean because someone else was going to Reveal the truth.
@Mirjana-oz3mv
Күн бұрын
Jon Benzinger tweets confirm this
@abundantlifenancytovar9757
Күн бұрын
amen, he should have confessed to his family in private then congregation the moment something happened. then step down and do something lower for gods kingdom.
@trh1493
18 сағат бұрын
The father of the woman came to the elders at Trinity church and exposed him then and then only did he come forward that’s another Jimmy Swaggart, but with different theology
@leenieledejo6849
13 сағат бұрын
@@trh1493 Exactly. That's what Phil Johnson tweeted (and he said it was not a "noble confession").
@eflint1
Сағат бұрын
@trh1493 yes another Swaggart. Neither Swaggart nor Lawson had intercourse with the woman. We're not even sure if Lawson had any sexual contact with the other party.
@susanaponte1579
Күн бұрын
Allie Beth, this was wonderful!! Please, pray for me, I fell away exactly the same way, not being in my home church anymore, lost my husband at 32, with 4 small children, and spiraled into depression and anxiety, after awhile, not even realizing I was being deceived!! I love the way you put everything in perspective, thank you!!❤😊
@Romans6_23
Күн бұрын
@@susanaponte1579 I’m so sorry sister. I’ll be praying for you.🙏🏼
@Titus-2-Mom
Күн бұрын
Im praying for you ❤
@applemac100100
Күн бұрын
Everyone that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. This is a time for looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.
@tillo1981
Күн бұрын
1 Cor 10:12
@DarlineHayes
Күн бұрын
“Don’t judge him on one hiccup” is what he preached. Hiccups are involuntary. It’s not a a DECISION! He clearly made a decision!
@alrinaleroux9229
Күн бұрын
Absolutely -- perhaps people allow their desires and emotions to rule such decisions, but it is still a choice.
@kimbeaty1187
Күн бұрын
....and every. single. one. of us are guilty of doing likewise....
@alrinaleroux9229
Күн бұрын
@@kimbeaty1187 It hurts us and others.
@charlesglowacz458
Күн бұрын
@@kimbeaty1187 Point?
@kaylahuntington7059
Күн бұрын
@@kimbeaty1187 we may all be sinners, but it's a special role to be a leader and teacher in the church and one that someone should not take lightly. His actions can be what helps cause someone to stumble. Sad day when these things happen.
@savedbygrace6525
Күн бұрын
See, the thing that bothers me about these men is they never sound broken and truly sorry. They always sound like they are on the defensive, " don't judge me on one weak moment " instead, he should ask for FORGIVENESS, PERIOD!!
@allyboo65
Күн бұрын
@@savedbygrace6525 I totally agree. But it’s because of pride. The proud know so much and don’t think they could possibly do something wrong and if they do, they don’t need someone telling them they did. He thinks he’s above that. It’s pride telling him that. He can’t be looked down on by others in his mind. What others think about him are more important to him than what God thinks at this point. He probably has not reached a point of repentance yet, just shame and embarrassment in getting caught. For others to find out what he has done is humiliating to him. He needs to realize this sin is against God!! Until he is broken before the Lord he will try to justify himself. We need to pray for him and have hearts of forgiveness.
@eflint1
Күн бұрын
Lawson's letter did not sound proud or arrogant. He sounded very regretful.
@seanbudde1965
16 сағат бұрын
So many Christians are deceived by the deception that is Calvinism, which is mostly false theology. Better to stop listening to perverters of the word of God and study the source material without these carnal influences. Calvinism is nothing more than intellectualism masquerading as spirituality. Avoid this well meaning but absolutely erroneous and carnal exegesis at all costs. It just influences one's view of the scriptures in a biased way that leads to more and more error because of that carnal bias that did not come from the Holy Spirit.
@greyhairedgrammie
2 сағат бұрын
@@eflint1 Regret is because something you wanted kept secret was exposed. Regret is that you got caught. It is not the same as repentance.
@eflint1
Сағат бұрын
@greyhairedgrammie you could say the same about David, who didn't express regret until he got caught.
@allyboo65
Күн бұрын
Him being the traveling preacher was my first concern. 😢 It’s also so challenging as a great preacher to become proud and thinking you know all the things the Bible says as true so you would Never betray Gods word. Take heed lest you fall. 😢 This is all just so sad and heartbreaking. Never forget to put on your spiritual armor!!! The flesh is weak!!
@RCGWho
Күн бұрын
Traveling alone makes you vulnerable. Did he travel with his wife?
@urbanfarmer29
Күн бұрын
@@RCGWhomost of the time she did not accompany him, is what I read.
@LAStreetPreacher
Күн бұрын
I never trusted this man after I asked him point blank at a Shepherd's conference where I first met him. I asked him if he knew Paul Washer and he said "No." I found this hard to believe since Paul Washer was a well-known preacher of the Reformed faith and had been around a long time. Mr. Lawson's response was somewhat defensive and I doubted his response and considered him a liar.
@allyboo65
Күн бұрын
@@LAStreetPreacher Did he say something that was lying? Or you just didn’t trust him after he said he didn’t know who Washer was?
@LAStreetPreacher
Күн бұрын
@@allyboo65 Actually I asked him if he had heard of Paul Washer and he said "No." How was this possible, I asked myself? If I had heard about Paul Washer (and I do not travel or get around the nation and network in such circles as Steve Lawson did) then I am pretty sure Steve had at least heard the name before even if he had never met him. John MacArthur had heard about Paul Washer. He had spoken at Master's seminary if I recall. Anyway my gut instinct was very doubtful of the truth of Steve Lawson's answer. I can not prove he lied but I suspect he did and for whatever reason did not want to disclose this information. As a result of my interaction, I didn't trust him after this. Lying and adultery are bed partners don't you think?
@maggiewakeman5877
Күн бұрын
My husband and I, too, were very saddened and shocked by the news of Steve Lawson. He spoke at our church during our Holiness conference this past February and a couple of other times. He spoke on Isaiah chapter 6 and I still remember the message. Although Steve disqualified himself from ministry, God's word is true. Our pastor at Countryside Bible Church in Southlake addressed our church this past Sunday about Steve Lawson. Our pastor read the statement from Trinity Bible Church. He stated that we follow Christ and not a man. He also reviewed the qualifications of an Elder, saying that an Elder must be above reproach and a one woman man. Then, our pastor prayed for Trinity Bible Church, all the people involved and for Steve Lawson. In our church's media archives, Steve's name has been deleted from the speaker lineup of the past conferences at our church where he was one of the speakers. Our women's church prayer group and our entire church are and have been praying for everyone involved. Our women's prayer group has been praying regularly for our church's elders and pastoral staff faithfully for the last 6 and a half years. We recognize how important it is to pray for our pastors and elders and our congregation. God continues to build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
@Kh-7777
Күн бұрын
There should be a warning that anyone can fall
@NathanLongacre-jo6cx
Күн бұрын
Steve Lawson is viciously anti-Catholic, and he even said the Virgin Mary wasn’t always a virgin; I was always wondering why he made up weird sexual fan-fiction about the Virgin Mary, when even heretic Martin Luther affirmed the perpetual virginity. Furthermore, Steve Lawson would always gloat about his belief in the satanic doctrine that says that some people are predestined for damnation from all eternity. He was gloating, and now he’s done for. Maybe HE was “predestined” for Hell. Hahaha! Just kidding, no one is predestined for damnation; he brought this damnation on himself.
@JohnMcCloskey-g9o
Күн бұрын
The sinless get to throw the first stone,,, all others can forgive,,, as God forgave.... God Bless Steve U R light life truth love Will zeal order wisdom understanding knowledge strength power of mind power of body judgement balance elimination justice freedom destiny victory with JESUS forever and ever, ,the church will restore,,, and so will you,,,,and wife and family.. Blessings again to family and church,,,, John
@shawnaweesner3759
Күн бұрын
@@JohnMcCloskey-g9o You are taking that verse -“let he who is without sin cast the first stone” out of context. And here’s why. Jesus said those words for that specific person, and event, and those people surrounding this woman getting ready to kill her. I bet you don’t apply Jesus’ words “get up and walk” to those with back injuries. I’m also questioning why you feel the need to tell everyone else to forgive this man. You don’t know anyone’s heart in this matter, let alone that people are condemning this man for his sinfulness. It just seems very presumptuous of you.
@shawnaweesner3759
Күн бұрын
To @maggiewakeman5877: I appreciate your comment. 🙏
@nataliejetter7233
Күн бұрын
Allie...I am so glad you brought up the point about the dismissive comments made by other famous (reformed) pastors. For them to be so quick to jump to "we all sin" did not appropriately emphasize the gravity of this sin, mainly because of the size of Dr. Lawson's platform and the amount of years he has faithfully taught the Word. Yes we all sin. But teachers are held to a higher standard. It is right to be extremely grieved or angry while still "watching ourselves lest we also be tempted." Lord, come quickly!!
@Steppingheavnward
Күн бұрын
Amen!!! Thank you
@Nolongeraslave
Күн бұрын
It true though, we all sin. The devastation may not be the same but the underline factor is still the same, all of us have that hidden sin which just seems not to go away. God always let His servants fall just as He did with the " man after God's heart", David. The devastation of his sin did not stop on him alone but his family as well, death by the sword. But God could not let David be lost on Him. I belonged to such a Church that brought their members to the congregation to confess their sin publicly and they did not spare a Senior Pastor who fell into sin of adultery. I remember many members getting really upset, but the leadership of the Church could not compromise their standard of discipline. Some years later, after close observation he was restored. I think this is a honest way to keep Christisns disciplined ~ rebuked publicly as Paul teaches and also uncompromising discipline of the Church. This pastor first confessed to his wife!
@WalkingbytheSpiritAlways
Күн бұрын
Amen. I think Reformed churches have big problems going back to Erasmus and Martin Luther. In March 2024 I did a video about his false teaching on divorce and remarriage though he was correct on rebuking Alistair Begg (also a falseteacher on divorceandremarriage). You can't preach that there are excuses for divorce and remarriage because the Bible says that only after the death of your covenant spouse can you remarry. All these names you are mentioning are false teachers on divorce and remarriage. I am the innocent divorced woman, and I have obeyed Jesus not to remarry for 16 years (42 years married) and by God’s grace have lived celibate. Steve is going to be judged for condoning adultery just like John MacArthur. Hebrews 13:4, Revelation 2, Luke 16:14-18, Mark 10:2-12 and many more. Praying for his wife. Adultery can be forgiven, but you have to go and sin no more. Allie, check every preacher on divorce and remarriage adultery, and then you will know if they are Pharisees. The Pharisees said you could divorce and remarry, but Jesus said no. Only a Jewish betrothed man could divorce his betrothed virgin wife IF she fornicated with another man before the betrothed husband had taken her to consummate their marriage like Joseph was going to divorce Mary for FORNICATION (though she was still a virgin). There is no exception for divorcing for adultery. It's pretty terrible because hypocrites, adulterers and fornicators will not go to heaven in the pre-Tribulation rapture which is imminent.
@mercysmith
Күн бұрын
If Mr. Lawson has been an excellent expositor I hope the church will not destroy all his works as they did with Ravi Zacharias’ work. Though their present fall is a terrible impact on the bride of Christ, only Satan would win if Godly teaching is erased. I say this only if the sinner is sincerely remorseful, sad, devestated and completely repentant. No matter what, his family is hurting. I pray for them and pray Mr. Lawson will follow his own teachings of repentance. On his face before a Holy God.
@shawnaweesner3759
Күн бұрын
I like your comment.
@lisawatkins8801
Күн бұрын
He was put on a pedestal, so his fall is amplified. We need to stop looking to pastors and leaders as our examples and look only to Jesus. Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
@kimjohnson8471
Күн бұрын
@@lisawatkins8801 Preach!
@debgoetz1571
Күн бұрын
Amen!! We are all sinners saved by grace. That said, according to the Word of God, teachers are held to a higher standard BECAUSE of their influence - especially on those who are seeking and/or are babes in Christ. I've been a born again follower of Jesus for over 43 years and I have lost count of how many prominent, celebrity, head/senior pastors have had to step down from ministry or were kicked out of their church due to the sin of ADULTERY. If we knew how many pastors are addicted to pornography, (which is also ADULTERY- looking with lust at a woman who is not their wife) the vast majority of churches would be without a pastor. That said, the unbiblical model of having a head or senior pastor (aka: BIG MAN ON CAMPUS) has proven to be a recipe for disaster. The biblical model for church leadership is to have a PLURALITY of elders, ie: pastors/shepherds/bishops/overseers (all synonymous with "elder") co-leading/serving/ministering to the body of believers in the local church - sharing the responsibility and "work" including that of teaching, discipling and church discipline - and being accountable to one another - and ideally doing this work as a ministry onto the Lord - NOT as a job or career. Jesus warned about the shepherds being replaced by unfaithful "hirlings" and that is exactly what has happened in this Laodicean church age in the vast majority of evangelical churches. :(
@dh1335
Күн бұрын
We are to be an example in our Christian walk. Paul said imitate me as I imitate Christ
@dh1335
Күн бұрын
Another scripture says pride comes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Has Lawson really repented? Him naming his theology and academic achievements rather a broken and contrite Spirit says it all
@lisawatkins8801
Күн бұрын
@@debgoetz1571 I agree 100% with you!
@madisyngerard7209
Күн бұрын
So many people's response to Christian heartbreak over this is essentially "well, it's you're own fault that you're heartbroken! You should trust in God, not men!" Heartbreak and betrayal are normal feelings when someone has portrayed themselves to be one thing, and it turns out they were a liar. Of course we trust *in God and not *in men, we hope *in God not *in men, but we do trust our brothers and sisters in Christ and it's normal to feel sad about their lies.
@DarlineHayes
Күн бұрын
Well said!!
@vicki7874
Күн бұрын
Yes, that is what I was thinking. Thanks for saying it.
@krissyann64
Күн бұрын
I always pray for the best outcome in this type of situation. It's so disheartening when you have listened to, learned from, and felt compelled by someone's preaching for so many years and have a reality check like this. It is hard not to be worried about our pastors and teachers. Keeping them all in our prayers.
@Sherlock245
Күн бұрын
You are fallen yourself becareful how you judge dr Lawson. We don't know the details.
@Uranium235-g6f
Күн бұрын
@Sherlock245 I think if it was your wife or daughter you would have a different look on this.
@CM-sy3to
Күн бұрын
Nope, don't expect a good outcome. Men with long-term or multiple affairs can never manage to handle their loss in stature so will go back to a flatterer.
@Titus-2-Mom
Күн бұрын
I am also praying for a good outcome which may be nothing more than repentance and reconciliation to those he hurt. But you are right, we need to be praying for our pastors regularly
@nathanwarren2757
5 сағат бұрын
@@CM-sy3towhat is impossible with man is possible with God
@OlgaSmirnova1
Күн бұрын
I am so sad, brother Lawson has helped me to grow in the word for years, I still love him as a brother!
@markminton6904
Күн бұрын
Me too.
@user-kr5ph2oi2b
Күн бұрын
Gods Holy Word is what grew you. Not this man.
@OlgaSmirnova1
Күн бұрын
@@user-kr5ph2oi2b this man helped me, the same way that a brother can help one a pastor, stop your pietism! We are all beneficiaries of godly men, that’s why the Lord puts them there! Are you holy than all?
@YouPew1873
19 сағат бұрын
@@user-kr5ph2oi2bwell said
@laurenshannon2703
12 сағат бұрын
But gratitude to a person who serves is not idolatry. Mercy is not tolerance.@@user-kr5ph2oi2b
@MaritzaRodriguez-tt6fh
Күн бұрын
Sin makes you stupid, it just does. (Revive our hearts) -Mary Kassin
@leenieledejo6849
13 сағат бұрын
Sin is anti-love. That's what Romans 13:8-10 says.
@katrinaparkerson7819
Күн бұрын
He was one of my top teachers I loved listening to after RC Sproul. His ministry and work with Ligonier really blessed me. I’m heartbroken with the news. I pray for his family, his wife, Trinity Bible Church and him. The reformed world is shaken right now, but Christ is head of his church and I think it’s caused many in the pulpit to examine their own hearts.
@1Whipperin
Күн бұрын
All Ligonier doctors, pastors, and ministers should begin showing true repentance by forsaking their titles and positions of authority among the brethren. Titles like "Pastor" or "Doctor" elevate individuals and create divisions within the body of Christ, contrary to Jesus' teaching that we are all equal under God (Matthew 23:8-12). True repentance means humbling themselves, rejecting worldly status, and embracing the servant-leadership modeled by Christ. It's time for these leaders to abandon titles and restore humility, accountability, and equality within the church. Only then can the body of Christ function as it was intended-without hierarchy or power plays.
@keith8325
Күн бұрын
@1Whipperin Really? Christ founded a hierarchical church that has been retained via Apostolic succession. His succession plan included a system guided by the Holy Spirit to remain united (his final prayer "That they may be one " (Jn 17:21). But the Reformers protested, removing themselves from Christ's Church, and the rest is history. Blessings, praying for our separated brethren.
@1Whipperin
Күн бұрын
@keith8325 Really. Jesus never established a formal hierarchy resembling the structured organizations that exist in some Christian traditions today. Instead, His emphasis was always on servant leadership, humility, and the equality of all believers. Jesus clearly taught against the pursuit of power and hierarchical authority. In His ministry, He reminded His disciples not to exercise authority over others as the rulers of the world do. He said that those who wish to be great must become servants, and those who wish to be first must be slaves to all. His own life modeled this principle, as He came not to be served but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many. This teaching directly opposes the idea of a rigid church hierarchy where some have authority over others. Further, Jesus emphasized the equality of all His followers. He warned against seeking titles or positions of superiority. He instructed that no one should call another "rabbi" or "father" in a religious sense because all believers are brothers and sisters under one Father, God, and one teacher, Christ. This reinforces the notion that in the community of believers, there is no place for one person to elevate themselves above others through titles or hierarchical power. The New Testament also teaches that the Holy Spirit is the one who leads believers into truth. Rather than a human structure of authority, the early church was guided by the Holy Spirit. Decisions were often made collectively with prayerful dependence on God’s Spirit, as seen in key moments of early church history. This Spirit-led model further challenges the idea that Christ intended a hierarchical system to govern His followers. Additionally, the New Testament promotes the concept of the "priesthood of all believers." Every Christian has direct access to God and is part of a royal priesthood. This idea removes the need for a special class of priests or leaders to mediate between believers and God. All are equal before God, and all share in the responsibility of proclaiming His message. This again points away from a hierarchical system where only a few have special authority over others. The early church, as described in Acts, operated with a communal leadership model, rather than a top-down hierarchy. The believers shared their lives, their resources, and their responsibilities in a spirit of mutual care and unity. Leadership was shared among elders and other servants, but all were accountable to one another and to Christ as the true head of the church. In light of these teachings, it is clear that the claim of Christ founding a hierarchical church conflicts with the principles He taught and the example set by the early church. His message was one of service, equality, and reliance on the Holy Spirit, rather than the establishment of a rigid system of authority.
@keith8325
Күн бұрын
@@1Whipperin The hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees in Mt 23 is an expose of corruption among Israel's teachers. It is also a warning to Christian leaders of the pitfalls to be avoided in pastoral ministry. Jesus warns that one who exalts himself can expect the day of reckoning to bring humiliation (7 woes). However, one who humbles himself will be exalted by God. We are warned against the sinful desire or affection for honorific titles. Addressing your desire to remove titles: Christ unquestionably formed an authoritative, hierarchical church before his departure. Christ is head of the body, the Church (Col 1:18). We have many parts, but are one body in Christ (Rom 12:4-5). His Church is authoritative, not by leaders "rising themselves up" but rather by Christ choosing and appointing his leaders (Jn 15:16). Jesus gave the apostles his own mission (Jn 20:21) with hierarchical leadership (Eph 4:11). He identifies specific roles of bishops, priests, and deacons (I Tim 3:1,8;5:17) and commissions the bishops to ordain priests (Titus 1:4-16). As in his Epistles to Timothy, Paul speaks to bishop Titus of the importance of doctrinal unity in the Church. He stresses the authority and duties of the bishop to faithfully and accurately teach the Gospel and to select sound men to SUCCEED him as Bishops. Paul instructs Titus to "declare, exhort, and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you"( Titus 2:15). Prior to Our Lords ascension, Jesus gathers his eleven at a mountain and delegates all power to his Apostles (Mt 28:18-20). Elsewhere, He grants power to forgive sin (Jn 20:23), power to offer sacrifice (I Cor 11:23-24), power to speak with Christ's voice (Lk 10:16), power to discipline and legislate (Mt 18:17-18). He didn't leave us orphans. The Holy Spirit guides his leaders into all truth (Jn 16:13). via "the pillar and foundation of truth, that is the Church" (I Tim 3:15). Christs church is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, with the promise to prevail to the end (Mt 16:18). Our leaders are, as you stated, and Christ commands to be servants. Our leaders are chosen (rather than self elevated) and are called to live the virtues of chastity, poverty, and obedience. These men "made themselves eunichs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it" (Mt 19:12). Imagine a large company with no stated leadership. It would devolve into chaos and then extinction. And so it goes to those who have removed themselves from Christ's authoritative, hierarchical structure. Christ's succession plan is powered by the paraclete, and allows for Christ's final prayer to be answered"That they all may be one "(Jn 17:17) with "no divisions among you"(I Cor 1:10). What a marvelous church Christ founded....who founded your church?
@keith8325
Күн бұрын
@@1Whipperin Mt 23 is an expose of corruption among Israel's teachers as well as a warning to Christian leaders of the pitfalls to be avoided in pastoral ministry. Jesus warns against the sinful desire or affection for honorific titles. One who exalts himself can expect the day of reckoning (7woes), whereas the one who humbles himself will be exalted by God. The church is united because it is hierarchical (Eph 4:11) authoritative (Mt 28:18-20) and guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth (Jn 16:13) . Our leaders guide us to live the virtues of chastity, poverty, and obedience. "There are eunichs who have made themselves eunichs for the kingdom of heaven"(Mt 19:12). These leaders are gifted, as Paul was (I Cor 7:7) with celibacy that is used for a life of service, example, and unity among the body of Christ. Thanks be to God!
@lunab695
Күн бұрын
I was going to avoid listening to this episode because I was so heartbroken I didn’t want to revisit what happened but I am glad I did only to understand your biblical response. Thank you Allie
@chanceotter8121
Күн бұрын
“Go to the church with the most humble pastor”. That is the most wise advice I have ever heard about picking a church to belong to. My sincere hope is this event will start the voluntary unraveling of the celebrity preacher circuit in the Reformed/Calvinist circles.
@beatriicks
Сағат бұрын
Allie Beth is slowly moving more and more to Catholicism….
@TexasHoosier3118
Күн бұрын
I believe that when somebody in the ministry messes up bad, that the person should not be allowed into ministry again.
@sammichaels3196
Күн бұрын
The Scriptures say as much. Your belief is right! Man, I'm bummed.
@kareemmance5845
Күн бұрын
For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory. Let him without sin cast the first stone.
@sammichaels3196
Күн бұрын
@@kareemmance5845 It's easy to quote Scripture, but studying it (and rightly dividing it) takes time. God's Word clearly states that a man cannot Shepard a church after such a disgrace. Believing in God's Word and applying His Word to real-life situations is not "throwing stones".
@E5nklodrthb
Күн бұрын
@@sammichaels3196where does it say a man can’t be restored after a sufficient restoration period?
@lesterchua2677
Күн бұрын
@@sammichaels3196Agreed. Anyone who fell can still serve as a humble servant without holding leadership position or preaching.
@BrotherMikeBCSF
Күн бұрын
THIS ONE REALLY GOT TO ME ! I LOVED HIS MINISTRY ! OUT OF LEFT FIELD ! VERY SAD.
@allyboo65
Күн бұрын
Another thought that breaks my heart is his wife. This has and will tear her away from her church. Where will she go? She will suffer from his sin and I am so sad for her. I pray they will be able to be restored so they will be able to attend a church as soon as possible.
@BelindaTN
Күн бұрын
He has only stepped down from leadership in the church. He is not forbidden to go to church.
@allyboo65
Күн бұрын
@@BelindaTN yes, you’re right. But it will make it very hard for them to go to Trinity. Not saying they are banned but it’s just the nature of being found out. And it’s such a distraction. It causes a ripple effect of unwanted consequences.
@DarlineHayes
Күн бұрын
I agree! Unless you have been through this, you don’t understand how hard it is to he the wife of an adulterous pastor. Church is NOT the same afterwards! The wife needs prayer and support!
@WordMadeFlesh777
23 сағат бұрын
Yes, so sad…
@KaitlynE105
Күн бұрын
My entire family is heartbroken over this news. He has been an encouragement to us over the years, and we've all learned so much about the truth of the word of God from him. We're praying for his repentance and restoration with God and his family. Thank you Allie, for your analysis. I've been avoiding other people talking about the subject but I'm glad I listened to your take. It was encouraging.
@recoveredcalvinist
Күн бұрын
If it was one weak moment, or an ongoing affair, it was not a hiccup! A one-time fling requires much lustful thought. An ongoing affair, requires much devious thought, planning, and deceit to even get into the bedroom. Any way one looks at it, it is disgusting.
@kimjohnson8471
Күн бұрын
I have a genuine question: In this video & and others, I hear so many expressing their shock and disbelief. As if because of his doctrine and theology, he was somehow immune to gross sin. If this were someone from the Charismatic camp, the response would be more along the lines of "what did you expect?" Be doers of the word and not hearers only. Having the "right doctrine" is not doing. Talking about holiness is not doing. Preaching with great oratory skills is not doing. Keeping company with those who profess holiness is not doing. One must do to be doing! No exceptions. The Great Shaking has indeed begun. Everything and everyone....all of us...will be shaken. Will you be able to stand? I pray for Pastor Lawson, his family, and his congregation that they be strengthen in the Lord to be healed & restored. ❤
@ruthdella37
Күн бұрын
Amos 9:9.
@Mrs.C-6721
Күн бұрын
Beautifully stated! Yes, it has begun. So much more we don't even know about too. Reminds me of Ravi Zaccharias. Many have died with these sexual sins😢 LORD have mercy My Lord we pray they all REPENT! Maranatha 🙌
@alrinaleroux9229
Күн бұрын
Being treated with great respect and admiration and appreciation can be very dangerous. We need to be sober and vigilant, and to be willing to give up our lives for our faith.
@ijclnl48
Күн бұрын
Calvinism is a false Gospel. Don't be led astray by these wolves.
@SmellsAddicted
Күн бұрын
@@ruthdella37 John 8:7
@Annekee8
Күн бұрын
I listen all the way from the Netherlands. I love to hear this lady speak. I so agree with all she says. Love to hear sisters in Christ like her. I hear such a balance and wisdom, discernment, speaking in love with humility. And I was shocked as well. Also here in my nation some preachers have fallen and even more sadly...divorced and went back to minister again and leading a new church/ministry.. I am especially in shock as they are still preaching about purity and quarding your heart while being involved in sexual sinn at the same time. I can not wrapp my head around that.. And yes we should all quard our hearts. Blessings to all my sisters in Christ here.
@leenieledejo6849
13 сағат бұрын
Amen
@colleenjohnson9638
Күн бұрын
Judging by the tone of his last message, he sounded defensive. One does not "fall" into sin. Sin grows within the heart long before actions take place. It is heartbreaking that such a powerful ministry leader has been brought so low.
@Steppingheavnward
Күн бұрын
Thank you for making this video, Allie! My husband and I went to Steve Lawson’s Reformation conference last year at Trinity Bible Church. His wife and daughter were there serving people and seemed so friendly. My heart is broken for them and I am devastated over the hypocrisy of Lawson.
@1Whipperin
Күн бұрын
All Ligonier doctors, pastors, and ministers should begin showing true repentance by forsaking their titles and positions of authority among the brethren. Titles like "Pastor" or "Doctor" elevate individuals and create divisions within the body of Christ, contrary to Jesus' teaching that we are all equal under God (Matthew 23:8-12). True repentance means humbling themselves, rejecting worldly status, and embracing the servant-leadership modeled by Christ. It's time for these leaders to abandon titles and restore humility, accountability, and equality within the church. Only then can the body of Christ function as it was intended-without hierarchy or power plays.
@BaerBerian
Күн бұрын
@@1Whipperin Bishops, elders and pastors are biblical.
@1Whipperin
Күн бұрын
@BaerBerian They are Biblical functions, but they are not titles .
@pearlyq3560
Күн бұрын
@@BaerBerian Bishop? Not to my memory. It is only elder and deacon.
@pearlyq3560
Күн бұрын
@@1Whipperin Yes they are titles for the positions, they are nouns and you can't avoid using the titles of elder and deacon because they are distinct positions, but I know what you're saying and I actually agree with the spirit of what you are saying and think it's worth exploring and perhaps doing.
@TheyStoleMyHandleAgain
Күн бұрын
I had been a pastor for many years (now retired) and I never saw so many judgemental people as I saw in the evangelical churches, the ones that I attended, and the ones that I served. We MUST remember that our God is a merciful and gracious God; I certainly don't excuse Lawson, the Apostle Paul is quite explicit in what is required of an elder, but as Jesus stated: "Take heed." I have read so many comments this week, and I have seen very, very few expressions of mercy. Please, ask the Lord before you pen your comments. (Matt. 7:1-9)
@americasanchez7803
Күн бұрын
I agree.
@Blandinemax
Күн бұрын
This is my very first comment and I do it because I’m in agreement with you. The news broke my heart. The only one happy about this situation is the devil! He loves it when Christianity gets a bad name…. Lawson is now disqualified for ministry. But the man is still a child of God, he deserves our mercy, and our prayers. Gossiping & bashing him is counterproductive and certainly not pleasing to God….
@djura3
Күн бұрын
People are simply fed up with hypocrisy.
@keng8883
Күн бұрын
My first pastor was caught with the secretary in his office. They were both married. My second pastor built a huge prestigious church but left when the bills couldn't be paid. He sold the parsonage, kept the money and skipped town. Down the road, another one of my pastors was caught cheating on his wife when his girlfriend called his wife by mistake. I no longer need to attend church under anyone telling me how to live and fund their who knows what.
@edamame-hime
Күн бұрын
oh my goodness! I am so sorry to read this.
@tromboneman4517
Күн бұрын
I’m sorry you have had such horrible experiences with church. The church should NOT be like this!
@crimsonfire6932
18 сағат бұрын
As important and valuable as it is to go to church, don’t forget that fundamentally your relationship with God is direct and personal and other people have no right having undue influence over it.
@markwarne5049
6 сағат бұрын
Not all pastors are like this
@beatriicks
Сағат бұрын
Sounds like you’re aching for Catholicism
@andyheller2691
Күн бұрын
I have followed and supported Steve Lawson for several years and learned much from him. While he’s still just another person, I was shocked to have learned what happened. He was the last person I ever expected this to happen to. While I pray for him and his family, his public ministry is over. To stumble at the finish line is so tragic. At 73, there is no time for a comeback and that’s even if there should be one. I pulled out all his books that I have and I skimmed through them last night. All I felt was sadness. Yes, I plan on keeping them for the teaching was good teaching. It’s sad he didn’t pay attention to his own teaching. The word hypocrisy is what will come into play. He lost his credibility and testimony. He impacted a lot of people with his teachings in several ministries. I don’t hate Steve Lawson. I pray for him and his repentance and redemption. In all honesty, I would like to sit down with him and pray, and to talk about things. He’s a fallen brother. I know from experience what life is like is his home right now. I’m really saddened by it all.
@christianuniversalist
Күн бұрын
He was a very poor theologian at best.
@SarahNelsonWA
Сағат бұрын
“To stumble at the finish line is so tragic.” That reminds me of Moses. He obeyed and led God’s people out of slavery, but he disobeyed at the finish line. He saw the Promised Land from afar but did not enter in.
@mytreasuredcreations
Күн бұрын
Ally, you're such a blessing to the body of Christ. Thank you for being so clearly biblical.
@Tracy-vx3nv
Күн бұрын
I don’t trust any body who makes merchandise of God and His word. Books, bibles, bible versions, conferences, gatherings, studies, t-shirts, mugs, or any items geared for Christians. All these famous so called pastors/preachers are idolized and oftentimes rich. Could you image Paul charging any church for his epistles or teachings? 2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
@lisaberchtold2248
Күн бұрын
Me too. Never would money and bookstores and conferences be part of Jesus or Paul or Peter...Judas fell for money and it was a bad ending. Business has taken over church
@juliejohnson3508
Күн бұрын
Allie, thank you for this episode. This is just so sad and heartbreaking. I have been the benefactor of Steve Lawson’s peaching at Grace Community and elsewhere. My question is why is Trinity Bible church calling this an inappropriate relationship with an unknown woman instead of calling it what the Bible calls it….Adultery. I think when we rename sin there is a problem! Also….the “unknown woman” makes me sad too! We should pray for her, she is certainly not unknown to God. Praying for the church, Steve’s family and of course Steve himself.
@Steppingheavnward
Күн бұрын
Yes, we should be using biblical language!
@ElenaBaumann
Күн бұрын
He should be weeping during his last sermon, not laugh as he did. How can a man be preaching like he did, knowing that he should not be standing there at all...?
@clarkemcclymont2879
Күн бұрын
Yeah I tend to agree with you. I’m still so disappointed.
@CarrieLaffs
Күн бұрын
Yes that's my thing too... this is major .... Above Reproach
@rustynaild4247
Күн бұрын
Because we lie to ourselves. But we have an advocate and he is the propitiation for our sin. We will pay the penalty for our sins and those we love will be hurt by them. But if we ask God he will heal us. I have read his book. 😊
@clescop2
Күн бұрын
I saw him in person about a month ago and what struck me was he was carrying himself like a celebrity or a politician
@leenieledejo6849
13 сағат бұрын
His last published sermon (several days ago) on the Sermon Audio website (called "Being truth tellers") is even more absolutely jaw dropping in its hypocrisy and conceit.
@theforeigner6988
Күн бұрын
This tells me personally I can not toy with sin... It's way to strong , if it can take down even so great man of God , like Steve Lawson.
@garylee7854
Күн бұрын
So Steve Lawson sinned...does not mean that God has failed. It just means Lawson was not perfect. Welcome to the human race!
@NimBell80
Күн бұрын
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. James 3:1 I'm praying he truly repents and doesn't face a greater judgement in hell for his actions.
@cameronmanochi7289
Күн бұрын
I have been saying for awhile that we need to be weary of men that have their main focus on their online or conference ministries. Biblically there is no such thing as a pastor outside of a local church with a focus on shepherding the lives and hearts of the local body he teaches at.
@RCGWho
Күн бұрын
Or missionary/church planter.
@cameronmanochi7289
Күн бұрын
@@RCGWho biblical missions is sending qualified pastors / elders to do ministry in a different place.
@RCGWho
Күн бұрын
@@cameronmanochi7289i know
@1mugler.778
Күн бұрын
@@RCGWhowasn't Apostle Paul a missionary church planter?
@sarahs3988
Күн бұрын
@@RCGWhomissionaries and church planters are absolutely biblical. Paul Washer being a great example of this. Paul in the bible being our first example. A pastor on the other hand should be shepherding that particular church. Some people are speakers and not pastors. Some people are church planters and not pastors.
@MrsS-i6d
Күн бұрын
Thank you Allie for covering this very sad and difficult topic with biblical clarity. Our prayers continue for all affected by this grave sin. This seems to be yet another sign of our times, where a “great falling away” seems to be occurring. God is certainly refining His household ( where all of His judgement begins ) ! 🙏🏼
@valeriemckenna4590
Күн бұрын
This is heartbreaking he's a solid teacher but even solid men can fall. I sure hope he repents and is restored to the body. Thank you for your show Allie... this was a gut punch.
@tomroberts9794
9 сағат бұрын
I disagree that this man is 'solid' in any respect. He's a false teacher and should not be excused; forgiven but not excused.
@JulieDevonshire
Күн бұрын
Allie. I am Catholic but I love listening to you. Your wisdom compassion. No Many are not looked upon our words fall on deaf ears. Thank you Allie. Thank you for bringing the gaff. VGod bless you.
@OlgaSmirnova1
Күн бұрын
His hypocrisy is doing nothing to my faith but reminding me that men are fallible and every preacher is vulnerable to sin, specially sexual sin, David, Solomon, Samson, is any preacher godlier, wiser and stronger than those men? I pray for his repentance and soul restoration, I am grateful to his teaching and I love him as my brother in Christ
@JesusisGod75
Күн бұрын
That’s why I would never in my right mind marry someone who was a pastor or in ministry. They have too much emotional access to women.
@Thepilgram52
Күн бұрын
I've been a Christian over 50 years and every time I hear something like this the first thing I think about are the souls that aren't saved and don't understand the grace of God and many of those turn and say this is why I'm not a Christian my concern is always when the world looks at this --as Christians, we can forget we can understand there's more responsibility for a person who's in a position of a pastor because we all sin and if we were put on the chopping block, would we get as much scrutiny as a pastor probably not people would be more compassionate they would help us to get back up on her feet I asked my brothers and sisters look at your own life first and thank God we have a God who loves us and when we come to him with true repentance, he forgives us. This is something that I still struggle with -HIS LOVE because it has no boundaries.
@hammerwolfbm
Күн бұрын
This is not aimed at you Ms Stuckey. I find it amazing how so many people who have never met the man have such judgemental condemnation against a fellow brother. We need to join together and pray for our brother. His leadership in the church has been compomised. That said he is still a valued member of the body of Christ and I believe that, while unable to return to the pastoral leadership he can still be a valued witness and expositor. Prayers for all affected by this grim revelation.
@TheNutmegStitcher
Күн бұрын
But first allow indignation at a leader's hypocrisy and betrayal. He preached purity and was well paid to do so while having an affair. Call that out on behalf of his wife and his flock before dismissing as though he stumbled. He chose that adultery over God and God's people. Pause before you rush to blow it off so quickly. It was a major betrayal. It's ok to work through anger and hurt on the way to forgiveness.
@InPotatoITrust
Күн бұрын
@@TheNutmegStitchervery well said. People need to stop feeling offended over righteous indignation
@lisaengel89
Күн бұрын
So disheartening!! 😩 Praying he repents. He’s done with ministry though.
@alrinaleroux9229
Күн бұрын
Absolutely.
@BeverlyMullen
Күн бұрын
Not SURPRISED! Domino's falling~~ judgement begins in the house of THE LORD. EL ROI ADONAI, WE PRAISE YOU ALONE!
@matthewdyer2926
Күн бұрын
You may very well be the next domino…
@xabisogxoyiya8022
Күн бұрын
This is the most balanced take I have heard so far. The others show too much leniency or too much condemnation. It is a cautionary tale for the reformed community, all that head knowledge is nothing without the correct heart posture and it shows in a big way. Doctrine means nothing if no one lives it authentically - Jesus saves not doctrine.
@braindrill11
Күн бұрын
I gave up pastor hero worship a long time ago.
@lindseywalker6925
10 сағат бұрын
There were no pastors mentioned in the first 4 chapters Acts. Only scripture reading elders.
@alexvolosin3562
Күн бұрын
This should be a good lesson for reformed crowd not to get too prideful. Even those with good theology fall into sin.
@anamelendez5812
Күн бұрын
Thank you Allie, for doing the Lord’s work and bringing much blessing to so many lives. Much love in Christ! ❤
@cabautista4733
Күн бұрын
I feel you sadness, and your grief about all this... thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. I am so encouraged...
@breannawatson8792
Күн бұрын
Pastor’s wife here-pastors, priests, you name it, are human beings too, imperfect and not immune to sin. They need prayers as much as anyone.
@jackimanley3056
Күн бұрын
My husband always says he only trusts the dead theologians. It's so hard not to get so disappointed. My dad is a pastor, my husband is a pastor. I just don't understand why so many fall. It's so sad.
@juanc.feliciano9507
Күн бұрын
Hey, most of the books that I have is from old theologians and scholars. I don't really have much from living theologians.
@oscarfabi_
Күн бұрын
Wise decision, as a 21 year old, that’s all I read. Because I know my own sins and failures, that Christ has atoned for
@jonathandavid9720
Күн бұрын
…Except for Calvin
@willytangkere5784
Күн бұрын
It’s warning to all of Us whether you are pastor or not ,holiness is being separated from sin and being set apart for GOD
@susanmcconkey5219
Күн бұрын
So well said Allie! I totally agree with everything you surmised from the situation and I haven't heard this side presented anywhere else. It's absolutely tragic, and so hard to really understand. I pray for his poor wife and family. Im sorry......but he should have been beyond this temptation.
@happymamaof5803
Күн бұрын
I’m very sad about this whole situation. Thank you for this thoughtful analysis. I’m currently facilitating a women’s Bible study at my church where we are using one of Dr Lawson’s video series from Ligonier. Our session will be meeting to discuss whether or not we should continue the study. Very sad.
@ritavehon2836
Күн бұрын
I personally think we give Satan too much credit sometimes. He plays his part, but we are as much to blame for our own actions. "For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come-sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” Mark 7:21-23
@singmysong1167
19 сағат бұрын
The Words of truth from Jesus Christ Himself!
@ellie123hymes
Күн бұрын
Yes! Yes! Yes! Thank you for the statements about David! You are articulating what I've felt in my heart. Yes, deception and hypocrisy! This is more serious than what people think. Thanks Allie! I just found you! Such a huge ripple effect!!
@brockroberts3109
Күн бұрын
A lot of these preachers are constantly under attack. I have learned so much from Mr. Lawson and I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water. Please pray pray pray for our pastors!
@lmarteen2778
Күн бұрын
Oh please, he wasn't under attack he decided or should I say he chose to have an affair, and who knows how many times he has done this . Just this time he got caught! Attacks are third world pastors who are being attacked for preaching Gods word, by execution, being put in prison, and other horrific attacks on them. Those are attacks ...not these so called self absorbed high paid pastors who choose to commit sin on their own.
@lmarteen2778
Күн бұрын
Oh please he was not under attack he chose to commit adultery and sinned against God. And who knows how many times he has done this? But just now got caught. Preachers under attack are third world country pastors who are being persecuted and sometimes killed for spreading the gospel, so if you need to pray ! Pray for them as they are maliciously being attacked for spreading the word and bringing people into God's kingdom!
@Fern_Thaddeus
Күн бұрын
AMEN ❤
@chrisgrace81
Күн бұрын
@lmarteen2778 Well said
@AnneRector-e9e
Күн бұрын
My sense is that the woman involved is in California. There was more time and space in Lawson's life at the Master's seminary, etc., for him to practice extra-cirricular activities. MacArthur and his minions would have looked the other way for as long as they could. The Master's Seminary and Grace Church do not allow women to hold high profiles, in any measure. Hence, without an easily-identifiable "other," Lawson's dalliances would have been kept out of plain sight for a long time. And far out of the eyes of wife Anne. This horrible news came as no surprise to the multiple entities Steve Lawson was a part of. Take notice of the swift domino effect of his being cancelled by all of them. They all knew in advance of Trinity Church's public dismissal of him; each one--TMS, Grace Church, all the Ligonier, One Passion, and Trinity, near-simultaneously erased Steve Lawson publicly. It was a concerted effort, smooth as glass, no room for the "aha" response, no waiting to see what Sproul's puppets would say. Lawson's adultery was foreknown; by how many and by who threatened to reveal it first, we wait to learn.
@rebeccajolliff3378
Күн бұрын
I once heard McArthur give a sermon on why women shouldn't hold any place of leadership in the church, and it was the most condescending and hateful sermon I have ever heard. Talk about missing the heart of God! I lost respect for McArthur and his partnering ministries after that sermon. It reminded me of how the religious elite in Jesus's day held attitudes that looked down upon women and considered them lower than dogs. They totally missed that God created both men AND women to be His complete, embodied, rule and reign on earth. Both are created in His image and to bear His image in the earth. I don't rejoice in the fall of any church leader. It hurts the church as a whole and defames the name of the LORD. And honestly, it's sad for all the persons directly involved. However, I do wonder, given McArthur's attitudes toward women in the church, perhaps Lawson held some of the same foundational beliefs about women? Total speculation I know, but so many prominent church leaders do not seem to honor or respect women as image bearers of God, and they are falling into the same sin pattern. Its like watching the movie Ground Hog Day.
@AnneRector-e9e
Күн бұрын
@@rebeccajolliff3378 MacArthur does not allow females to enroll at The Master's Seminary. His reasoning is that women are not to become pastors, consequently, they do not need an MDiv. I agree that women should not preach or be pastors of congregations. But...there are many roles for women in Christ's church, and supplying them (us} with sound biblical education is a must. I have three Masters degrees from a Baptist seminary, and a post-graduate ThM from the same place. I will never preach or lead a church. To do so is unbiblical. But, I can face the "guys" with whatever doctrine and theology they want to throw.
@jameswerner7573
Күн бұрын
Great job Alley , this hurt the witness of the true church of Jesus Christ. We all mourn together over Dr. Lawson
@gerryjames9720
Күн бұрын
There, but for the Grace of God, go I. This is why we need to pray for our church leaders. Satan never sleeps. Pray that the people in those ministries will not be cast down by this.
@elizabethcomer8795
Күн бұрын
I agree absolutely! But, for the grace of God. A warning for us all.
@sandylu52
Күн бұрын
I feel sorry for him and his family and pray Lawson repents. I pray for God’s grace and mercy for all involved.
@CarlaDavis-v1u
Күн бұрын
He seemed arrogant calling it a hiccup!
@metroplextherapon5020
Күн бұрын
As a Reformed Pentecostal (i know that doesnt make sense(, i loved listen to Minister Lawson. It breaks my heart for him and his family. I hope the reformed world doesn't just cast him aside. Most reformed people u know love to show forth their expertise in Scripture, but lack greatly expressions of mercy towards others. Just offering my opinion. Note: Lawsin and Sproul and MacAuthur helped me tons in my spiritual development.
@stephancilliers482
13 сағат бұрын
I'm in your Tribe, Bro! Our staunch Reformed bretheren don't know, believe in the supernatural and mostly rationalize away things of the spirit. Anyway that's just my experience. When the anointing, the gifts and tongues are a threat to you, you're following man's traditions.
@hephep7426
Күн бұрын
Yeah, we need to hear from Dr Lawson publically about his repentance from his griveous sin. Because he is so public a figure and for his preaching of the need to repent!!!
@dkjazzz
Күн бұрын
Yes
@newnanlady653
Күн бұрын
Oh Allie Beth we all must remember we are just a breath away from making the same mistake. Unfortunately, the sin of those who lead thousands is seen by 10,000. I find no reason to doubt the sincerity of Lawson's faith. In fact, I find your questioning of it, in such a public way, more damaging to the gospel. Please be careful when such little information is given about the condition of Lawson's heart. We should assume what we have been told a man has fallen and damaged not only himself but his family. It happens every day- his was just public.
@susiedyck4914
Күн бұрын
We are not one breath away from making the same mistake. God does NOT temp us. God gives us a way out when tempted. We have to and get to CHOOSE!!! He became prideful. His sucess made him prideful. Its so important to stay humble
@johnflorio3576
Күн бұрын
I have no idea who this Lawson fellow is but let’s pray for him and hold back on the condemnation. Jesus can restore him to the state of grace.
@alrinaleroux9229
Күн бұрын
God can restore him, if he is willing to repent and be restored. If he is not willing to repent and be restored, he won't be.
@toddavis8603
Күн бұрын
Infidelity after 40 yrs marriage----and children. That is sad for Steven j. Lawson.
@PaolaSanchez-hc5my
Күн бұрын
I agree. It's pathetic
@timothykeith1367
Күн бұрын
We don't know what was 'inappropriate" - and I don't need to know. The elders of his church dealt with the issue. Lawson was masculine and decisive in an era when preaching is often soft and psychological - some oppose him because of his strong temperament, but I think most of the critics who have come forward - they seem unfamiliar with his preaching. At age 73 he might have become weary and let down his guard.
@cornelpetre4976
Күн бұрын
This is great !
@helena.guzman4451
Күн бұрын
Thank you so much for pointing out the David example. It definitely feels like a minimization of the gravity of the situation. Honestly, I think that celebrity culture is also an issue in reformed circles. It is unfortunate. We tend to be a bit more severe in examining people of a different camp, and more lenient with the failings of the people in our own camp. THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAIRNESS. So refreshing
@jd_fishin_flippin_1708
Күн бұрын
Yes, calling what he did a hiccup while raising your voice WHILE shaking your finger at the congregation is exactly the type of prideful arrogance id expect, that stems from Calvinistic reformed doctrine based upon perseverance , works, etc which in that system of belief determine whether you are a “genuine” believer or not. This is exactly what I’d expect, the need to justify it by labeling it a hiccup. Reformed doctrine has done more damage to the church than any of us could imagine.
@WandaRichardson-m2r
Күн бұрын
The wolves in sheeps clothing are falling like dominoes......we are experiencing what the Bible prophesied would be called the "apostasy'!! We are there!!😮
@juliesmith5264
Күн бұрын
I have not heard or read any comment that expresses or allows for the future choice his wife has under scripture. I have heard, “let’s pray for the restoration of his marriage” while also, “he should not be restored to ministry”. While Lawson’s sin is against God first and foremost, the next in line is his wife even before the church. If we are so certain he should not be restored to ministry, why in the world do we expect his marriage to be restored? She has every right to divorce him if she chooses, and I hope that the call to restoration does not pin her into a corner of believing she has to stay with him for “the greater good” of demonstrating forgiveness and restoration. She can forgive him and have an amicable relationship with him for the sake of the Gospel and for their family, but if his marriage does not survive this, that is a consequence of his sin and not his wife’s.
@manuelag2128
Күн бұрын
In the new Testament they did not travel alone!. Every christian should be open for friendly correction, and ne transparent. That would be a testimony to the world🙌🏼✝️✨📖🙏🏼
@MrsCreole
Күн бұрын
Allie! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this response. It is spot on 🙌 You are out here putting so many male bloggers and youtubers to shame for their responses 👏 As disappointed as I was to see the news about Lawson, I've honestly been just as let down by the majority of responses I've seen.
@eeg0415
Күн бұрын
I watched some YT vids but this one expressed expressed exactly what I was feeling. Thank you. This was so so good. Prayers for Steve Lawson, his wife, children and the church there in Dallas. May God give us all strength to overcome evil & temptation, give us wisdom & discernment, grace & mercy. New sub here. Much Love from Crete, Greece 🇬🇷
@dougmilesmedia
Күн бұрын
They need to be more specific on what inappropriate relationship means here. Was it just being seen with another woman in a restaurant or something like that? Or is it an affair? People are imagining the worst case.
@HumbleRustic
Күн бұрын
Yes , I agree. This “inappropriate relationship “ quote is causing much speculation that is unwarranted. Just say what happened!
@janajam1
Күн бұрын
Seems vague, but probably beyond something superficial, or he would not have been removed from these positions. So sad.
@laurenr02
Күн бұрын
Phil Johnson just released some info on Twitter - it was a five year ongoing relationship with “strong romantic overtones”
@HumbleRustic
Күн бұрын
@@laurenr02😢. Do you know the source in which he said these things?
@InPotatoITrust
Күн бұрын
@@laurenr02woooow. And apparently it was the woman’s father who was threatening to expose him
@ballbreathtaker9773
Күн бұрын
And the big question: dear Calvinists, cheap gracers and works-deniers, is this pastor already saved for eternity?
@browneagle2393
Күн бұрын
Thank you.....praying for this family...and the flock.
@Scaperoot79
Күн бұрын
It was heartbreaking to hear about this a few days ago. What's also been discouraging is the response from so many who were so quick to condemn this brother. We are so quick to jump on that bandwagon when someone falls, specifically someone who has been in public ministry. We should remember that if not by the grace of God, we would not be able to walk faithfully with Christ.
@reformed37
Күн бұрын
I’ve heard Steve Lawson say a lot of statements about not being generally converted because some believers struggle with sin…wonder what’s his thoughts are now?
@WordMadeFlesh777
23 сағат бұрын
That’s probably why he fell…got puffed up and lacked grace so God sent a test and he got caught and brought to the light. God hates arrogance.
@sistersusie8569
Күн бұрын
26 mins "The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want (for anything)" - We can always ask "what can we learn from these situations?" to bring us closer to our Shepherd, by choosing to tell ourselves the Truth about them. So many have been hurt by top-down hierarchy in churches, but that's no reason to give up with the Lord ("to whom else shall we go?" etc.) Who has promised to never forsake us and Who knows the anguish of our souls.
@Tom30ad
Күн бұрын
Sexual sin is the real pandemic among all men - young, old, believer and non-believer.
@pamelaevans5517
Күн бұрын
Truth
@Charity-vm4bt
Күн бұрын
@@pamelaevans5517 Jezebel demon God allows to bring down hypocrisy.
@exposingcultpractices
17 сағат бұрын
Even the married ones. Most of them get married without havine exercised self-control. If the sexual lust is not under control, it continues to rule in their lives.
@Jacobashymo
Күн бұрын
I think in moments like these it’s important to remember that even though Lawson fell, whatever biblical truth he taught is still biblical truth. God has used broken people to speak to His people since the beginning. Lawson is one of the most respected teachers of our lifetime, and whatever truth God gave through him is still true.
@samanthaalvarez2292
Күн бұрын
I wouldn’t even put Robert Morris or Tony Evans in the theologically conservative category- morris is 10000% a prosperity gospel preacher
@AllieBethStuckey
Күн бұрын
That’s true - I didn’t really describe that correctly.
@samanthaalvarez2292
Күн бұрын
We praise the Lord every day he brought us to Countryside Bible and out of Gateway! This was so devastating to hear 😔 praying for his true repentance and restoration!
@carolberubee4431
Күн бұрын
True. Tony Evans teaches the "wider mercy" heresy. Morris isn't even close to the true Gospel.
@carolberubee4431
Күн бұрын
@@samanthaalvarez2292 Countryside? Isn't that Tom Pennington? Awesome!
@samanthaalvarez2292
Күн бұрын
@@carolberubee4431yes it is! We are so blessed to have found him and CBC.
@gracetuallasanluis5481
Күн бұрын
This was a really helpful and constructive review and how we ought to think of the fall of Steve Lawson. Thank you Allie!
@missymurphy9996
Күн бұрын
Yes, I can see how this would be a shock to the Calvinist community. I had never heard of him until this came out. I’m not a Calvinist so I don’t travel in that circle. I was more stunned about the Ravi Zacharias scandal because I held him in high regard. It’s so sad that we are seeing these famous pastors falling. It makes me thankful that mine is not famous.
@iancraig3020
Күн бұрын
Every Christian has this problem: we look at the other guys sin as greater than our own. Instead we need to grieve over our own sin and repent of it daily. Jesus referred to the “log” in our own eye-once you have dealt with that, then maybe, you can see well enough to help your brother with a “spec” in his eye. Matthew 7:5
@reetayoung
Күн бұрын
Praying for all the ladies at share the arrows
@marcdebow4055
Күн бұрын
Thank you Allie for your comforting words and faithfulness to the Word, Jesus.
@lds251
Күн бұрын
Never heard of him, but it’s happening a lot lately 😢
@alstewart6870
Күн бұрын
Allie Beth, yes, this is extremely sad, however he, like Johnny Mac and Justin Peters, have a history of being harsh on those who disagree with their hyper-Calvinism. So in another aspect, this is coming full circle. Pointing our fingers so harshly at others we disagree with is unChristlike. Jesus saved his harshest statements for religious hypocrites. As we do to others………😢
@christianuniversalist
Күн бұрын
🎯
@valleytractorservices9310
Күн бұрын
It's crazy how pushy to calvinists are. It's also rather humorous that their children are always part of the elect but yours might not be. 😅
@christianuniversalist
Күн бұрын
As the Scriptures plainly state: Calvinists I loved, everyone else I hated.
@alrinaleroux9229
Күн бұрын
@@christianuniversalist The Word of God shouldn't be the subject of jokes. (See Isaiah 66:2.)
@christianuniversalist
Күн бұрын
@alrinaleroux9229 Calvinism isn’t the Word of God.
@luciaveritas5155
Күн бұрын
Maybe we need less famous preachers and more regular small congregations with ordinary preachers . Not saying anyone is immune to sin but there’s a repeating theme here
@amm613
Күн бұрын
Ravi Zacharias was a big shocker. Seems it hasn’t stopped. Thats scary.
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