Almost all great, enduring art and literature wasnt at all made to be self-consciously offensive. The vast majority of great artists and writers were completely in tune with the values of their societies.
@lilith3953
11 ай бұрын
WTF? Seriously? Who are these great artists and writers who were completely in tune with the values of their societies? Not Leonardo da Vinci, Jane Austen, Charles Dickens, or the Bronte's obviously.
@markcreemore4915
11 ай бұрын
@lilith3953 Leonardo worked for kings, prelates, and dukes, and certainly had no objection in doing so. He was also, at least nominally, a Catholic Christian and never had any real objection to Christendom. And if you think Austen had any revolutionary, antinomian conviction, you haven't read her at all. She sure was no Mary Wollstoncraft.
@markcreemore4915
11 ай бұрын
@@lilith3953 You've GOT to understand that MOST of the greatest artists and writers in history, the vast majority, were quite happy and comfortable with their societies. The "rebel artist" is mostly a mid to late 19th century French cliché, though it had its roots in late 18th century Romanticism.
@putinstea
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this redpill, you are a scolar and a gentleman.
@dancroitoru364
11 ай бұрын
@@markcreemore4915 So "I've GOT to" or else ... I see your Maoist post modern education is really kicking in. Seems that for you the real 'rebels' are sweaty angry kids who angrily agree at the end of a nightly meeting to cancel their 40++ yrs old university teacher for being fat/old/reactionary/old-thinker. Next day the teacher is shamed in public and during the night another team of angry kids decide to cancel the previous team for also being tinted with old think. Revolution every day till all kids starve.
@halflifeproductionz
11 ай бұрын
"He comes from a Jewish family; his grandparents emigrated to England in the 1890s, his paternal grandparents from Romania, and his maternal grandparents from Russia." of course.
@pialem7282
11 ай бұрын
Of course...
@michaeldunne3379
7 ай бұрын
Berkoff has always been an exciting figure in British drama. The weak-kneed, anaemic, middle class, niceocracy hates him, inevitably.
@aidanpelly144
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for standing up for artistic freedom and not surrendering to the banal thought police out there
@sparkyy0007
11 ай бұрын
These guys are exactly why society today is falling apart, glorifying the worst of humanity.
@22grena
11 ай бұрын
Exactly like transmadness they support the incomprehensible as a way of confusing us and controlling us.
@pialem7282
11 ай бұрын
We have to self censor snd and not mention his degenerate ethnicity.
@outoforbit-
11 ай бұрын
"Pushing the boundaries of our perception", ya i dont think anyone would disagree with that, but personally i dont choose to look into the pit.
@TheExtraClassic
11 ай бұрын
Berkoff who famously had an actor come round to his home to audition. It was raining, the guy knocked at the door repeatedly, it was not answered. Berkoff finally opened the door said 'too fat' and shut the door in the actors face. It's essential to represent all kinds of of human conditions in theatre, film and television. But it's nauseating to see Berkoff trying to come off as the enlightened witty elder. He shares many personality traits with Weinstein and has behaved abominably toward actors for years.
@Athousandnights
29 күн бұрын
Such a great conversation with Steven! Great host and setting! Very sad ending, sending his plays to theater producers and doesn’t even get an answer.
@user-or3oe4cq6m
4 ай бұрын
What a shame there aren't more people like this in TV and Film.
@matthewcerini699
11 ай бұрын
Mr. Berkoff is correct. The time is ripe for artists to express their angst with global society. A couple that come to mind are: Aaron Lewis - kzitem.info/news/bejne/yoejqX2ajnSop5g and Oliver Anthony - kzitem.info/news/bejne/1KeJp2GJkmd5paQ And as Mr. Berkoff relates, we need to learn from the BAD as well as the GOOD. There is a VERY OLD book that uses that method to teach. 🙂
@dancroitoru364
11 ай бұрын
I think there is a sea of difference between offensive and subversive. A symptom of the party's ideology losing its grip is the censoring of the "offensive". Ideology works without believing it, thus it incorporates the offensive. What it cannot tolerate is the subversive. That's why in ex communist countries a novelist could build a character who while fornicating on his best friend's wife would insult the party. But under no circumstances he could write about a bunch of 40 yrs old in perfect shape practicing yoga and discussing Plato while occasionally mentioning "Oh, I heard the communist party won the elections. I am so happy for them". That subversive text would surely land him in jail. Remember that if the King says that anyone who says "the King is a fool" is to be beheaded in your dreams you'd be headless.
@giovanniamore7532
11 ай бұрын
offending means open up old wounds to let the pus flow out.. its like the doctor making a joke while putting the needle in to distract the child..
@gpknee
11 ай бұрын
Brilliant conversation. Thank you!
@pialem7282
11 ай бұрын
🤮
@splankhoon
4 ай бұрын
offensive art....I don't do self-censorship, as a result, it's very hard to get my stuff out, certainly in this day and age.
@jamesharris5707
11 ай бұрын
The problem is that what Berkoff considers offensive now is also dated. It's cliché
@dancroitoru364
11 ай бұрын
so what is offensive to you now? Berkoff ?
@paulwhetstone0473
11 ай бұрын
I feel my IQ dropping 10 points every minute I listen to this dribble.
@22grena
11 ай бұрын
Well said and that is their aim
@robyn2628
11 ай бұрын
is that why you said 'dribble' rather than 'drivel'?
@paulwhetstone0473
11 ай бұрын
@@robyn2628 …good observation.
@dancroitoru364
11 ай бұрын
whoa - 'dribble' ... don't feel so guilty that you enjoyed it - LOL
@paulwhetstone0473
11 ай бұрын
@@dancroitoru364 “double dribble” would have been more appropriate.
@giovanniamore7532
11 ай бұрын
opening aný door is a disturbance
@marcokite
11 ай бұрын
How truly pathetic! 'Offensive art' is 1/ not art 2/ in no way, shape or form liberating 3/ it is however unintelligent, lacking in imagination and juvenile 4/ ....and if anything restrictive to the soul, mind and heart. Very, very sad that any adult actually believes this childish, inane nonsense, if indeed they really do.
@jarrettthomas4865
11 ай бұрын
You are funny lol
@NorfolkSceptic
11 ай бұрын
It's even more offensive when it's promoted by public money.
@alexwr
11 ай бұрын
Citations needed for offensive art: 1. Not being art. 2. Not being liberating 3. Being unintelligent 4. Restrictive to the soul, mind and heart. ------ 1. If it is an expression of ideas through any medium, it can be considered art. Just because somebody might consider it offensive, that does not stop a creative expression from being art. 2. & 4. These are basically the same point. Having the freedom to offend quite literally puts less barriers in the way of somebody's creative expression. By definition it is less restrictive because there are no stipulations on what is and isn't allowed. What exactly are you referring to when you talk about it being 'restrictive to the soul, mind and heart'? That's so vague that it is potentially meaningless unless you tell us what that means. 3. I'd be willing to bet that most art at some point or another every artist, style, genre or work has been deemed offensive by at least one person. Does that make all art unintelligent, lacking in imagination and juvenile? Where's the cut off point? How many people have to find something offensive before it is considered as "offensive art"? Are the particular groups that we ignore when offense is taken? Who are they? What happens when cultural sensibilities change? Do previously inoffensive works suddenly change from being art to not art when somebody or some group takes offense at it? Does it become less thought provoking or does it lack less imagination because of it? Also, what does being juvenile have to do with anything being considered "good art"? Will a piece of art change from being 'culturally enriching' to "juvenile", "childish" and "inane nonsense" as soon as somebody is offended by it? ------ You are welcome to your opinion, but with all due respect, it's a crap opinion.
@dancroitoru364
11 ай бұрын
@@dialogos585 What's liberating is that thru art we can refine our poor imagination and build a proper fantasy to make sure we'd never act it out in the real world. It's thru fantasy that we remain in pure desire and do not fall into want.
@dancroitoru364
11 ай бұрын
@@dialogos585 Remember Kubrick's EWS? Her dream fantasy was a proper one: 'being raped by multiple men while he was looking' while his fantasy about what could had happened between her and the officer was extremely poor being at the level of infantile eroticism. Instead of a fantasy he built a paranoid anti-fantasy of a grand conspiracy of the 'elites' to render men impotent (the orgy at the mansion), at the mercy of state powers and only to be saved by their phantasmatic mother (the prostitute who sacrifices herself for him). So many people understood the film as some kind of a warning about an elite 'ploy' but Kubrick meant it as a Freudian joke on the difference between a dream fantasy and the reality perceived thru paranoia.
@user-sw2lv3zp6o
11 ай бұрын
Offend away. It's entertaining.
@frederiquecouture3924
11 ай бұрын
I think there's a villain with a sense of humour somewhere.
@christoguichard4311
11 ай бұрын
I have a lady friend who has known SB for over 30 years. She can't stand him 😅 But...he's right about this I think.
@Nom_AnorVSJedi
11 ай бұрын
Is pornography offensive art?
@jarrettthomas4865
11 ай бұрын
Only if she has small tah-tahs
@marcokite
11 ай бұрын
it's offensive and it isn't art
@jarrettthomas4865
11 ай бұрын
@@marcokite cool but both are subjective 😉
@jarrettthomas4865
11 ай бұрын
@@dialogos585 anything can be art to a certain person, I’m just playin devils advocate. What’s offensive to you might not be to me. Art is either good or bad. And even that is subjective.
@22grena
11 ай бұрын
No its just offensive/ Made by the same tribe though.
@jmfangio286
11 ай бұрын
Yes, and no. Comedy is intrinsically offensive. Art is always seeking to break new boundaries, to excel, even in the most conformist of societies, if for no reason other than to conform better. And to have taboo subject is just an open invitation to artists and audiences. SB is SB, he has always been forceful. I would just like him to lose a bit of weight.
@Cinepobrefilmfestival
11 ай бұрын
interesting thoughts until he did the Putin bit, yikes, there is a fool within everyone of us.
@bloodmoney88
11 ай бұрын
beyond nature everything offends me, I just don't talk about it... much.
@marilinwisbey7403
11 ай бұрын
Hello Steven how are you, marilyn ( franks) exactly agree with you fck em.🎉😂
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