Thanks for the review. I was considering buying it. Now after this problems you pointed its a no go.
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Hopefully the firmware update can fix the proprietary battery issue I had.
@giuseppelamartina4934
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude for the honesty .. on February 12th I placed my pre-order, 😂😂 and I’m still waiting for it 😂😂😂😂
@tricArt7
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for review. I've been thinking about getting him for a long time. What you think is the better option? Stigma Force 3.7 without batterie pack or the Pen2 from Rotaryworks. I like Harder hitting machines.
@ThatTattooShow
7 ай бұрын
I’m going to with the rotary works with a 3.2 cam. Deffo prefer it to the 3.7 force
@tricArt7
7 ай бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow Thank you for the advice
@Glug21
3 жыл бұрын
how does this machine compare to the flux 4.0 for lining
@lemmeink.studio
2 жыл бұрын
What’s the best settings for this pen? Like voltage etc. mine 4.5 stroke. I mostly do micro realism. Thank you 🙏🏻
@ThatTattooShow
2 жыл бұрын
No idea what the best settings are sadly. The one I had has turned out to be faulty. I’ll be revisiting it when I get around to sending it off for repair.
@sendlocation8476
3 жыл бұрын
@ That Tattoo Show I’m sorely a RCA power supply kind of guy. I hate wireless machines due to it can never put out stable power as power supply. But if I was to buy the Stigma Force and use it via RCA. Do you think the 4.5mm stroke would be good for all rounder? I want something that can line good, shade and color pack. My style is traditional Japanese color with vibrant saturation.
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
regarding the stable power output id have to disagree, I've been testing the battery packs and while some aren't providing a consistent and stable output, other brands are providing the same quality output as some of the power supplies that are available on the market also I tried going back to power pack and the cable just gets in the way now lol. honestly I would say the 3.7 would be the better allrounder especially if you want to do shading, personally though I would go for the short and long stroke. myself i have the flux 4.0 for lining colour packing and sometimes shading but I'm also using the 2.5mm exo for black and grey just because its more efficient at getting smoother shades.
@gootvansquid
2 жыл бұрын
Has your opinion changed on this machine since May? I am about to buy my first pen machine (also my first cartridge machine) and I am unsure what to buy. I want to be able to do most anything with it, but particularly realism/surrealism black and grey work. Nice if i can bold line, stipple and color/color blend with the same machine, but... Typically I run Bishop, Swashdrive, some Stigma, and some Rotary Works machines. I might just throw the pen/cartridge thing out the window and buy a Sidewinder... any advice is much appreciated! Thanks.
@ThatTattooShow
2 жыл бұрын
I have to send off my machine for repair. I went to do the update and it completely bricked the power supply section. once I get it repaired I will re-visit the machine but for now my opinion hasn't changed
@gootvansquid
2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow Thanks! I loved the older Hypers, but when i bought the latest model the give knob broke almost immediately, I looked at the Spear but read similar bad reviews, now with your review of the Force i'm starting to wonder if Stigma is the industry leader i've always considered them :/ Maybe i should just get those Critical power packs and stick with the classic machines..
@patrickdurka6188
2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow is it still in repair buddy? After seeing the 40mm grip version of the force with updated firmware I finally snagged one, just to see the powerpack dying after 30 minutes of playing around with presets. I’ve read the manual first, charged the battery over 3h and powered it up with a fresh cartridge just to see how it runs and how the presets are working. Everything was great, till I decided to save a preset for stippling at the lowest possible voltage. Then I started the machine and the powerpack turned off and the screen was black. Since then it’s just dead. With rca it still runs perfect, but the powerpack don’t Start anymore. Now I have to send in the whole machine and I haven’t even used it once. That’s so disappointing from stigma. And I had the exact same thing with a stigma spear pen a few years ago. It stopped working 5 minutes after I have unboxed it, because a part in the give system was somehow out of place and cut off the power connection. I am getting the feeling that quality control isn’t really on pair with the prices of their machines. I really want to like they’r machines, but stigma is the only brand in this price segment that manages to send out faulty machines. Never had to send in a machine from inkjecta, Cheyenne, fk irons or Dan kubin just after unboxing it. For now the most disappointing wireless machine, but hopefully this will change after it’s repaired. At least my Sol Nova unlimited and inkjecta X1 are reliable and wireless.
@sacredritual9554
3 жыл бұрын
You maybe had a bad serie model mate. I have the force in 4.5 and when I compare it to my sol nova unlimited 4.0 it's hands down a better wireless machine (I wont mention the flite x 1 this machine is too bad to be compared to anything). The 4.5 mm stroke makes it line like my kubin V3R, and pack color in the same way. Despite the long stroke I'm able to do smooth black and grey and watercolor too at very low voltage. I experienced no bad thing with powerbolt in two months dayly use. You maybe might ask Stigma another machine. As you mentionned Stigma guys are awesome.
@bonzo1384
5 ай бұрын
Like a Dan kubin ? Crazy with the give mode ?
@RemGazanTattoo
3 жыл бұрын
Nice and honest review... but why the "far superior to the bishop Wand" thing?, seemed almost like an attack if I didn't know better :-) Also what about the dual cam? How does it work without the battery. Since I was seriously considering buying it without the battery. Now I've invested in the Neuma 4 and it's awesome. Don't want digital give or any of that crap.
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
It’s not an attack at bishop. Just my opinion that the engineering in this machine is superior to the wand. The bishop wand when broken down is just a side mounted direct drive motor so you will still have the minor side to side wobble you would get with any direct drive side mounted motor that doesn’t have something to give it a linear motion. The duel cam system from why I understand eliminates the side to side wobble which makes it run smoother. My opinion after inspecting both machines is the build quality and performance of the individual machines the force is superior to the bishop wand. Other people might not think the same this is just my opinion. So without the battery there is an rca module that connects to the back on the machine which allows you to use a power supply or a third party battery. I actually preferred using it with the rca module. With the rca module it’s just a tattoo machine and doesn’t have any digital give etc. Using the critical battery or a power supply also gives you the kickstart feature if it’s on your power supply. Hope I’ve been able to answer your questions
@RemGazanTattoo
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow so instead of just saying superior to the Wand you meant to say superior to any other direct drive ;-) if it claims to remove the side wobble it is the only rotary capable of doing that. So the dual cam makes that the needle go straight into the skin like a coil instead of in a circular motion? If that is the case you’ve done this machine short with this review... that would be a gamechanger in itself! I recently got the Neuma 4 and it doesn’t claim to reduce the side wobble but it is a side effect of their cam system and lining is so much better with it... must be the same then with this machine.
@pigonthebasement7409
3 жыл бұрын
@@RemGazanTattoo I have a stellar feedback from my Neuma $ user friends ... I'm almost convienced to quit the FK Irons Realm and drift to Neuma ... Love that geeky aproach from Carson and kind of agree on that approach to e-give... of not being Give at all
@RemGazanTattoo
3 жыл бұрын
@@pigonthebasement7409 haha I'm the same. But I'm into bishop as well. I have the shader and packer for it's relative use and for lining now I use the Neuma and that is what I find the best approach with rotaries. Find the right machine for the right job. On this channel it's al about FK Irons, probably because of the free gear they get send and then when its time to do a comparison they decides to compare it with a bishop.. To me that is bonkers..If you use a Flux all the time and then shift to a Wand Shader, you might think the Shader is a crappy machine, but it is the best shader ever created if you like to do soft layered shading like David Vega. The packer is probably best compared to a flux without all the unnecessary mumbo jumbo. But the Neuma is a league on it's own and from what is not said in the review but only in the comments the Force might be capable of delivering the same type of result. That would be awesome. No wobble, can you image a rotary without the wobble, I can because of the Neuma but other than that :-)
@pigonthebasement7409
3 жыл бұрын
@@RemGazanTattoo my flux is fucked up since firmware, as i posted above... it was such a downer. If i was a rich dude i would just give it away
@bolleckerd8568
2 жыл бұрын
What about the 2.8 version ? someone has tested it ?
@kaseoneZEF
9 ай бұрын
Had my force a year and a half now and it just completely died. This is after several firm ware updates and constant use pretty much. Loved it the first few months.. but its got worse and worse and now won't even charge. I'm out of warranty now too. Its a shame.. could be a great machine
@tricArt7
8 ай бұрын
Is the Machine Borken or is it just that your battery pack is no longer working?
@jankowalskikowalski6284
3 жыл бұрын
Im using the machine daily, its not about flunctuaction of motor but simply the machine doesnt like hard tension membrane, the modes works alot better with low tension membrane
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
That’s not a good thing really. A machine should be able to push any tension membrane. That being said I only had fluctuation with the proprietary battery. When it was on a normal power supply and a critical battery there was no fluctuations. This gives me hope it is just a software issue and can be easily fixed.
@jankowalskikowalski6284
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow hopefully 😀
@DantesDX
3 жыл бұрын
Now the important question. Which one would you recommend for lining and dot work. The Stigma Force or the Cheyenne Sol nova?
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
Stigma force is better for line work compared to the sol nova in my opinion.
@theo_tattoos
3 жыл бұрын
How is it better than the wand? Have you even used one?
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I have used one. The drive mechanism is better on the force than the wand. The wand only has a side mounted direct drive motor, cam and drive bar which causes oscillation in the drive bar. This will then transfer to the cartridge and cause needle wobble in certain cartridges. The stigma force has a dual cam system which significantly reduces any oscillation making it a smoother running machine. The build quality feels better on the force in comparison to the wand. That ok for you? ;)
@theo_tattoos
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow now that is proper, thank you, been thinking of picking one up without it’s battery pack. Would like to see what you think of the force after long term use.
@robbeasttat2187
3 жыл бұрын
Great , Honest review If you can can you do a review on the Vlad Blad Avenger 2 a lot of people have been talking about it
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. If I can get my hands on one then I will.
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
I have the vlad blad I'm thinking if making a review in it I have a ton of machines and it's a great machine u can do everything with it when I have it on the longer strokes and u use a standard needle it feels like a long stroke coil machine it blew my mind it really has a similar stroke to acoil
@robbeasttat2187
3 жыл бұрын
@@adrianhuitron8772 how’s the vibration on it
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
@@robbeasttat2187 absolutely minimal it's got good feel to it I do 3rl single needle work with it and it works perfect with that an u know u need a machine with little it no vibration for this it's a good machine I just don't understand the 5.5 stroke it's not practical for much but I use all the others trikes the motor starts at like two volts so those that work onlow volts for texture and layering it's perfect but honestly I'm worried about the fact Russia is so far away and ifihaveany issue I have to send it their I had problem with machine from Europe and It took three months to get it fixed and Russia is far away from the us but I've ever had any problems with the ultron pen and there coils
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
But honestly I've only had it for three days...so Ive only done a mandala a traditional rose and coffin aswelll as bng realistic tiger but I had the prior avenger for a year and that one's great as well
@yusufalkarbalai1973
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand what the problems were exactly?
@ThatTattooShow
2 жыл бұрын
The power bolt that came with the machine wasn’t running correctly. It’s looking like I have a faulty battery pack so I’ll be sending it back to be repaired and then re-testing
@kiribatitattooevora
6 ай бұрын
I have mine for 2 years, nightmare this baterry! Sometimes the baterry stop for 4/5 days and don t charge! Then sundently start tge charge, always stopping! I have all the updates but everytimes work worse than before! 99% i use with a critical batery
@Ounceofdeception
Жыл бұрын
We're 2 years later now, any 2nd thoughts?😁
@ThatTattooShow
Жыл бұрын
The machine was faulty. So need to re-visit it when I can.
@AbC-hh8vg
Жыл бұрын
Have they since fixed the battery unsteadiness”
@ThatTattooShow
Жыл бұрын
I haven’t sent mine back yet, been extremely busy. So I’m unsure.
@pigonthebasement7409
3 жыл бұрын
This era is a bit like EVs, me myself have a Flux and was quite happy with it until the Firmware, that cause the motor to have inconsistencies in speed frequency, specially when the e-Give is on at any setting. Posted this to FK Irons and never had an answer, which pretty disappointing in terms of client support... is not a cheap machine. So, as for now i'm generally suspicious of ALL native wireless machines
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair i have noticed all the machines that offer e-give have a slight i issue with various cartridges. I have my e-give switched off and don’t have any issues but totally get what your saying. I am very much looking forward to how the wireless machines are doing to be in few years time.
@pigonthebasement7409
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow the modular approach is cool, and if they had the balls, a universal cross brand modular system would be awesome. Combine it at will, motor, grip, powerpack or wire module... i would go for fk irons grips, flux 4 packing and hawk for shading... all critical power.
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
You know what. Myself and Paul had this discussion the other day. One fit to go on all machines. That would be interesting indeed. Like imagine an Eikon power supply that has the connections to fit on all machines that would be cool. The rca module is good though I’m going to set up the flux and the force tomorrow both with an rca cable and see what happens.
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
I love the 3.7 version it took me forever to get it I really like it it's a great liner and packer and it shades great I don't like the e give but boost works great idk why ur is fluctuating but I got the exo from fk irons 3.2 version I'll let u know how it goes when I useit
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah when I put it on just the rca module and used it with a power supply it was nice to use. I hope that a firmware upstate will resolve my issue and I’ll do a follow up video. I’ve bought the 3.2 it’s currently on its way. I’ve been using the 2.5 for a week or so now and it’s super nice for black and grey.
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow yeah the exo is great but I've only used it on a bng portrait it's also a great shader and it's awesome for color cause it will give u several passes before it causes any trauma I'm not gonna buy the 4.0 what's the point when I got the flux but yeah Im waiting on the neuma 4 I used my coworkers and it's so good it's really everything it's hyped up to be
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
@@subwooferroads it's not great it's a better shader longer strokes work better it hits harder I thought I can pull lines with it but 11rl I had slow my hand down
@yusufalkarbalai1973
2 жыл бұрын
Does he mean that the egive turns on and off?
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
Dude I really think something is up with your machine I haven't gotten any fluctuating at all only thing is egive sucks but the boost I use on everything but shading and it's great blows my mind ur having this issue
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m thinking there might just be something up so I’m gonna wait for the firmware update and see how it goes. When it’s just the rca part the machine is really nice to use.
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow I'm using the sol nova unlimited it's just simple to use if the change the voltage set up it be a perfect machine I use both the flux and force aswell but the shopi work for provides Cheyenne disposables and new. Cheyenne carts so if I use force or flux I have to use the autoclave I'm just lazy
@ThatTattooShow
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with being lazy haha. I’ve had a load of Cheyenne stuff sent so I’m looking forward to trying out the range of products. The capillary carts are nice
@adrianhuitron8772
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatTattooShow the disposable grips d grip and a capillary carts are so amazing I love them since the hawk I love fk irons and I think stigma has a good potential but Cheyenne is just reliable and simple for me but I hope u enjoy Cheyennes products I may have started with coils but I became a solid tattooer with the thunder
@irecomesforpain
3 жыл бұрын
Fuck stigma in general.... Had a crap machine. Costumer service blamed it on their costumer and said theyre making to many mistakes with theyr ( v3) worst machine ever. But love your videos and your reviews
@silviotattoo3725
2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 stigma and surprize, is broken. And i have solnova unlimited,and after 6mount is broken, e send unlimited in service and Cheyenne refound money because is broken forever. Nice no?
@irecomesforpain
2 жыл бұрын
@@silviotattoo3725 thats good service from cheyenne then yes
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