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@PREDATOR07
Жыл бұрын
A skilled rotary buffer guy would do better job specially the depth of the color and time to finish.
@Autostyle.Detailing.Geelong
8 ай бұрын
I’m a little old school, I prefer picking up a rotary. Call me nuts, I just can’t match with what I can do with a rotary regarding finishing down. I’ve came very close but to me DA drops in gloss ever so slightly. With that being said most of my work is done with a DA, because that’s all the car and client calls for. For me it’s like bulk vs templates, they both have their place.
@gynat5968
2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct re body shop guys vs detail guys. I converted to DA a few years ago but hated giving up my rotary simply because I was so comfortable with it. Grin. I still use my rotary on gel coat on large yachts.
@gynat5968
2 жыл бұрын
Gelcoat dictates a rotary.
@arvindominguez5743
2 жыл бұрын
I barely started detailing and started with the DA and can I say it gets the job done. My dad switched from Rotary to DA and he recommended I buy one as well 👍🏽
@Void-gn9zm
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not changing a damn thing. Rotary works for me. Why would I change it up to a noob friendly tool.
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
Why? Because you can get great results. Not many professional, high-level detailers use rotary anymore other than to spin-dry pads!
@cameronp5728
Жыл бұрын
Started with a Flex DA for 5 years, then went to rotary and never going back. I can cut faster and get a better finish with my rotary than I ever could with a DA in a fraction of the time. But that is because I have the skill and techniques dialed in perfectly. If you are running a business with multiple employees then yes I can see a DA being worthwhile. But its just me. And when the other shop cant get it right, they come to me to fix it.
@ronayotte3571
4 жыл бұрын
I have a rotary that I have used maybe 5 times in the last 10 years and only on highly oxidized single stage paints just to knock down the heavy stuff... I finish up with my Griot's Boss 15.
@roadstar499
3 жыл бұрын
i agree knocking down heavy damage using a rotary and a wool pad with a good compound then washing car and switching to a good DA and polish makes the most sense...
@paulanderson4764
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, Todd and i completely agree. This week, however, I am working on a moderately oxidized RV. For the first time in many years I broke out my rotary and wool. I did 3 test spots, 2 DA and 1 rotary and am saving time with the rotary. I wouldn't say it's dead but relegated to maybe 2% of my business.
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
There's always outliers for sure!
@LLANTALOBOTOMIK
2 жыл бұрын
If you detail a really oxidized boat, then rotary is mandatory
@AB-80X
2 жыл бұрын
Everything has its place. But like I said elsewhere, I think many of us who are properly trained and skilled with a rotary, still use a DA 98% of the time these days. Love a rotary for glass and lamps still, but the rotary is broken out rarely these days.
@JohnBrown-xn1oq
3 жыл бұрын
Not everyone can use a buffer but everyone can use a DA
@Tod_Unctious
2 жыл бұрын
Your explanation is awesome. Sometimes the simple answers say so much more than is written Thanks
@SweatSquad31
2 жыл бұрын
Ever since I only used a rotary but I just ordered my first DA with 15mm throw. Hope I can step up my game by having both machines in my arsenal
@matthewgibb2640
4 жыл бұрын
Hi todd. Love the rotary but was cranking long throw da's back in 2008 too. Remember the dynabrade long throw. I think a da is awesome for almost all jobs but a rotary sometimes comes in handy Rotary is easy to use but hard to master. I can do two steps with a rotary no problem but its not always ideal. Ive mastered the tool after 27 years. What the rotary is great at is edge work and doing areas a 15 or 21mm large da cant do without banging into door handles and mirrors. Both tools rock but the da is very good for one steps, the money maker for most detailers
@bbdetailing9123
4 жыл бұрын
Not many remember the dynabrade.
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps if most detailers like to take a lot Longer- to finish a vehicle, use your D/A.. I can do all of it in 1 step all the time with my Rotary... Just so you know, Nobody who is a real Detailer is taking the vehicle out in the sun, we have Real Great Lights inside!!! Geez, dont you people have inside lights?? Lots of time to master???? Why???? A year plus???? Are you guys just really slow at learning???
@klg1001
2 жыл бұрын
@@frandanco6289 Ego much?
@richardroda4882
4 ай бұрын
@@frandanco6289 One step with a rotary? Baloney...
@h1989w7373
4 жыл бұрын
As a detailer, I was trained on the rotary and used it for over twenty years, I've been using the DA for the past five years, DA is the best choice, the technology in compounds and DA is much better, with the option of one step correction is the only way to go, in comparison the DA is superior, thanks todd
@rajivsewnandan4865
4 жыл бұрын
Years of experience with rotary, I'm thinking of going to D/A. Rupes lh15r or the Mille?
@h1989w7373
4 жыл бұрын
@@rajivsewnandan4865 ,good choice, your not going to regret it, I still use a rotary once in while, another advantage in using a DA is, it doesn't wear you out physically, DA are much lighter, good luck rajiv.
@rajivsewnandan4865
4 жыл бұрын
@@h1989w7373 yes bud, love my Makita but he's gotten heavy over the years lol
@h1989w7373
4 жыл бұрын
@@rajivsewnandan4865 ,yes they do get heavy over the years, and we get older too, loling!
@mylordass8120
3 жыл бұрын
@@rajivsewnandan4865 I'd go with the LH21R or LH15R to start out. Mille' won't finish out as good but it is more accurate and can do a larger section being Gear Driven, closer to a rotary for accuracy.
@EbenVisher
3 жыл бұрын
This was wonderful! It's the first of your videos I've seen, and it was much clearer and more interesting than pretty much all the others I've watched. You are such a good teacher - enthusiastic, interesting, energetic, and clear in your explanations without being overly wordy. Thanks!! I'm about to buy the DeWalt DCM848 DA (orbital) cordless polisher. I'm going to ceramic coat my car. I'm at a loss, as a complete beginner, to know how to find compounds specific to DA. Also, of course, how to figure out which to use, and what steps to go through, for my 11-month-old Corolla. Any pointers or suggestions would be much appreciated. About all I understand so far is that 99% of the work is in the paint prep, and 1% is in wiping on the SIO2 compound. :-) However, what will my 99% consist of, what steps and what chemicals? Anyway, despite my beginner's ignorance, I really appreciated your video. I opened a few of your others and will watch them asap.
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
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@platinumautoglasswindowtin88
4 жыл бұрын
I'll throw this into the mix. I found for polishing windshields that the rotary with a 3" glass pad and Ceriglass works best. I can get to the edge better and cut/polish better.
@jdisdetermined
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Glass polishing was what got me going as a professional. Water spots are horrible in my area, so advertising with an emphasis on glass correction got a lot of attention. I see glass so bad it's borderline dangerous to drive. But I almost never touch actual glass correction with anything but a rotary. It is possible with a DA, but you're wasting a lot of time if you're going after anything but light etching and water marks with most DAs. Plus you can tilt the rotary and get edges and tight spots much easier. I like and use CeriGlass, but I buy the super cheap Cerium powder and make my own if I'm going after alot of actual scratches. What pads do you use, do you prefer rayon or felt pads? Have you tried the glass cutting specific pads from LC? Haven't tried them and curious if they're more effective than standard glass pads.
@platinumautoglasswindowtin88
3 жыл бұрын
@@jdisdetermined I use the rayon pads
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree with you, Platinum Auto Glass & Window Tint !!! Nothing beats Direct Drive in the hands of one who knows how to use it.. All the industries that make airplanes, boats, all the vehicles of every type at the assembly stage only use Rotary Power for a reason... It is fast, it gets perfect correction, and you are done and the vehicle, etc., keeps going down the assembly line... No time for whatever name it is random orbital machines here... Need perfect results and need them now, not hours later...
@klg1001
2 жыл бұрын
@@frandanco6289 You’re completely discounting forced rotation DA’s or even long throw random orbitals for that matter. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. Additionally Mike Phillips teaches that the reason production lines prefer a wool pad on a rotary IS indeed for the very fast cutting but they understand that it can’t produce a perfect finish. Trust me, after working on a production line in the RV industry for 4 years, the word “perfect” is not in their vocabulary. It’s all about getting it finished and out the door, and on to the next one.
@AB-80X
2 жыл бұрын
100% agree. My 3" battery powered rotary is only used for glass and lamps. I even use my 3" with regular Auto Glanz glass cleaner and a black polishing pad during my regular washes. Takes a few minutes and my glass is perfect inside and out.
@akira5982
3 жыл бұрын
Use what ever feels good to ya, my rotary is heavy & aggressive so now i use my DA its light smooth & easy 😉👌
@Lsone350
Жыл бұрын
I've always been a rotary guy when I got started d/a's were for waxing and didn't even do that well, I may be old school but I hate the feel of the dual action
@indragiri9667
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the information! I never use the DA polisher machine before. Still prefer to use flex rotary for my paint correction
@sahhull
3 жыл бұрын
I use a forced rotation DA.. Not made by Flex. It's the man on the tool not the name on the tool that matters.
@lionheart8083
3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos Todd. Too much information. Direct, straight to the point. Thank you so much
@TheRebuilt1
4 жыл бұрын
Not surprised this would be his opinion on Rotaries. I have Rupes and it good at finishing for the skilless and nob.
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
Too funny.
@fleekauto161
Жыл бұрын
Body shop guy here we use rotary cus we block sand the paint post paint job to refine the finish and buffing sand scratches out just feels better. We do use foam pads tho.
@J1Z06
4 жыл бұрын
Rotaries have always intimidated me. Before my flex 3401, I used a cyclo dual head polisher. I still do from time to time. Great video. Very thorough. Stay safe(coronavirus) be well.
@roebbiej
4 жыл бұрын
I thought i was safe from the C word, but there it is again, damnit. Flex 3401 is amazing by the way.
@DaddyoftheMack
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jay, I used a Cyclo from 1988 until 2015 and got a 3401.....I hated it. Sold it. I recently got the new Flex XCE Beast and LOVE it. Much smoother.
@J1Z06
4 жыл бұрын
Amsterdamnster Kush You gave Me a great idea!! Maybe I’ll finish My Vette with The Cyclo!!! 😬😬😎😎😎😎. Thank You.
@madlion8435
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Great advice! DA is my choice!
@charlespartak2435
Жыл бұрын
i commented on one of your other videos. i believe i have my answer after watching this one. thank you sir
@bluegrasskid4835
Жыл бұрын
We so need a Todd versus Yvan Lacroix matchup on a test panel, lol. Yvan is a huge proponent of cutting with a long throw DA and finishing with a rotary. Have the panel compounded by an independent detailer who has no idea which side of the panel Yvan will be working on or which side Todd will be on, put a tape line down the middle and let Todd and Yvan have one step to finish their side of the panel and measure the difference with the DOI and also have some independent judges who have no idea which side was done by which and they judge which is better. I know this will probably never happen but I would pay admission to watch it mostly because I am very curious which would win and I think Todd and Yvan are both among the top 1% of detailers.
@Esotericdetail
Жыл бұрын
Many years ago we did compounding with the DA, and finishing with a rotary. But when DA technology, pad technology, and polish technology improved, we found no need for the rotary anymore because that bridge was gapped. Over the years we have done trials using the DOI meter comparing the two machines, and found no measurable differences.
@adriandominguezsainz3683
Жыл бұрын
fantastic comment
@adriandominguezsainz3683
Жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail superb reply! THANKS!
@SchClean
Жыл бұрын
DA for life. I have been detailing since 2006. I haven't found a job yet that my mighty DA couldn't handle. Have you ever used Red ball by production? Very heavy compound. Works great
@arttorres192
Жыл бұрын
Love redball works great, thank god I have production in my town!😀
@Jeff_Seely
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Todd. I think your channel is a great hub for detailing. I have heard many folks share the horror stories about the potential that a rotary has to "burn through" the paint. Those stories are why I strayed from those polishers and learned on a cheap Harbor Freight DA. I still have yet to buy that first rotary. I am now asking myself, "Why buy it?. Are you unhappy with the results you get from your DA polishers". I am not. If I am ever unhappy with my work, it is because of my choices that have little to do with my DA's. After seeing this video, I am leaning more toward the idea that I do not need the rotary. I want to continuously improve. I just don't need to complicate that any further, so why do it?
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
Your thought process and reasoning is solid, indeed!
@franco12954
2 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail Another example of people being scared of the Rotary and you add to there fears only to sell your products. I don't blame you. I would to if it's making me $$
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
@@franco12954 You're a bit off base on this one. We also sell rotaries! But the fact is that hardly nobody in the high end detailing world still uses a rotary, and the sales of those tools have long since died...
@jessencarcare6557
4 жыл бұрын
I use rotary for cut and DA for finishing but you don't talk about that, if you cut with a rotary the heat don't get as high and you don't stress the paint as much if you ask me
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
The shearing temperatures need to be in the 150+ range before you have to start worrying about any paint issues, and proper use of a DA, even in the compounding stage, shouldn't get temperatures anywhere near that range. So it's a non-issue.
@jessencarcare6557
4 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail no you shouldn't be anywhere near that. To me the rotary is still the better machine for cutting and the DA for finishing. I do a lot of daily drivers here in Denmark and they are trash compared to what people show from the states a DA would take way to long to cut some of the paint I see
@my2sons8791
Жыл бұрын
What about the capability of a DA vs rotary on freshly sanded clear coat? I have never been able to bring the gloss up with a DA. Is it technique, pad selection, compound selection or combination or is the DA just not the right tool for this application? Thanks in advance. Very informative video.
@Esotericdetail
Жыл бұрын
I've never had issues with that, but yes, you need to have the right combination of tools, pads, compounds, and techniques. I've taken 1500 sanding and follow that with one compounding process, and one finish polishing process to a perfect finish with a DA. Using a 21mm throw machine like the Rupes LHR21 with a 5" backing plate on it will also increase your chances of success. A short throw machine won't do you much good in those cases.
@shannonludwick5738
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being direct awesome video
@Esotericdetail
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@groundedfilms5877
4 жыл бұрын
I paint cars for a living and I wet sand and buff them after I'm done. I cut the whole car with a wool pad on a rotary and then step down to a rupes Bigfoot 21 and the result is awesome👌👌👌
@cohenkane2148
3 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows Bigfoot is a myth.
@derickquintanilla2327
2 жыл бұрын
@@2_MinutesOfAviation I love using rotary and when it comes to DA’s Rupes has and knows they have a larger oscillation throw (with power) and they charge more because of it. In Translation, the bigger the throw, the quicker and better are the results (with enough power). I own machines from all variations and don’t mind spending money to make more money. Rupes is worth it. Just buy the ones you truly need, not all the models they sell
@jtm1979
4 жыл бұрын
I use long throws 95% of the time, but sometimes i do the edge work with rotary. It is easier with rotary since most of the cut is on the outer edge of the pad and you dont have to worry about the da movement.
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
We teach edging techniques on a DA as part of our course. Extremely effective, and much safer than a rotary. And it saves time since we're not grabbing for different machines.
@charlesbrown2369
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I just purchased a rupes 21. Thought I needed a rotary as well. I'll just perfect my skills.
@nickmellon6677
3 жыл бұрын
I used to detail showroom certified pre-owned cars for local luxury dealerships about 8 years ago but that was in the days of using a rotary for me. Took a lot of trial and error, and mastering techniques and having a good eye to get halo free results. But despite all that I just ordered a Rupes Mille to jump into the new age of paint care as a hobby. This is good info
@franco12954
3 жыл бұрын
If you actually know what your doing with the Rotary you don't worry about having good eye for swirls, and the luxury cars you really don't have much buffing to do mainly just polishing It. Just more scary for some people that's why they invented them slow time consuming machines
@thevalleymobiledetailingmo5047
4 жыл бұрын
I love polishing it fun to me i just did my moms 04 rav4 came out almost looking new
@coreylee9794
3 жыл бұрын
I feel as as I can "finesse" my work a little easier with a rotary. Its just more fun for some reason.
@cohenkane2148
3 жыл бұрын
I get that.
@franco12954
3 жыл бұрын
@@cohenkane2148 They are scared of burning paint
@cohenkane2148
3 жыл бұрын
@@franco12954 Good! They should, be very very afraid. It means they suck. Be afraid of sucking. Newbs, pfft. Ha
@melraine919
Жыл бұрын
Splendid 👏🏼 demo and info thank you 👍🏼 from England 🏴
@Esotericdetail
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@AN-ce1nd
4 жыл бұрын
Still have my porter cable with country pads.
@AB-80X
2 жыл бұрын
In my world, both have their place. I have gotten panels to over 95 gloss with rotary and the Gyeon Primer. With my DA's, I can only get to 94. Again, that's really splitting hairs, but it's kinda fun to do when you have the time🙂 But reality is that like everyone else that can do a rotary finish, I use the DA 98% of the time.
@davidhardyjr1515
2 жыл бұрын
Great video; you said it with your chest will really help in making a decision!!!
@chakwowu6825
4 жыл бұрын
Great review, but I'm still sticking with my rotary as I'm trying to stay away from having multiple machines (budget problem, mainly) and still appreciate the simple change of backing plate size to attack various paint problems.
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
You are correct, Chak Wo Wu !!! I just have a small spacer on the end of the Rotary Shaft and I can do anything with backing plates and pads down to 1 inch, all day long...
@johngaytes-ex7nt
9 ай бұрын
And you are 100% correct this guy has no idea what he is talking about ,rotary is the best...
@johnman310
3 жыл бұрын
I was born and raised on a rotary. I do have a DA but you can not beat a rotary. I have and old school Hitachi rotary I bought 30 years ago and also a newer model Rupes. I could not detail without them. John
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
There's nothing wrong with a rotary if that's what you like using. I just don't know too many rotary people who have chosen to stick with it after they've found out what modern DA polishers can do when teamed up with the right techniques, pads, and polishes.
@grandfinish8929
4 жыл бұрын
I spent a lot of years fighting with rotary polishers. When I discovered DA polishers I literally gave my rotary away! The ease of use and consistent results was a no brainer for me. Thanks to you Todd I’m polishing vehicles more often and producing safe and consistent results! Thank you!!
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! Yes, the DA is way easier to master and get fantastic results.
@matthewgibb2640
4 жыл бұрын
Rotaries are easy to move and get correction from but its mastering the finishing where most people fall over when using a rotary.
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
If you spent years Fighting Rotary Power, why did you not learn how to use it so there would be no fighting??? I love my Rotary and we never fight...
@franco12954
2 жыл бұрын
Some people will just never learn to use the rotary, it's to scary for some. That is why they invented the DA so you can go slow and easy and not panic
@franco12954
2 жыл бұрын
Rotary's are very easy to use, there's just to many people out there keep hearing scary stories about the burn and it scares them there's nothing wrong with that the problem is they keep talking about how the DA is better when they really never learned to use the Rotary
@flying_riata1168
2 жыл бұрын
Trust me a rotary will get the job done a whole lot faster when it comes down to buffing! U can still polish with the rotary after buffing and then at last (optional for swirls/smooth finish) Finish ur last pass with DA.
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
Once again...we can agree to disagree on this one. And if you feel that there's any need to follow up a rotary with a DA, then the rotary process is being "rushed" too much. Refined finishes take time...
@bm_wuratli6883
9 ай бұрын
@@Esotericdetail there a videos about which best rotary da or fa same condition same rpm same degre rotary is the safest and buff better then all of them* they debunked myth DA was the most dangerous which destroying buff and touching paint before all of them so*
@manueldominguez8505
Жыл бұрын
Good job like a video straight into it
@hiramsanchez9170
4 жыл бұрын
I worked at a Mercedes dealership for a while and I used both of the buffers in this video and it’s a matter of what you start off with the dewalt is what I started off with and I loved it and you just gotta get used to it and the Bigfoot we would use as a secondary polishing step after the dewalt especially on darker paint colors
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
I have paint corrected all the German cars in the hundreds and nothing but Rotary Power on all of them.. It is an art just like real professional Detailing is, but if you take the time to learn it, and dont mind getting a lot stronger in your upper body, having way bigger forearms, biceps and shoulders, then the Rotary is there and easily more efficient in the right experienced hands...
@Jasperjames9662
3 жыл бұрын
I use both quite frequently. I do feel when I'm sanding back, the Rotary with 3 step correction gets a better finish out of it then the orbital. It could be I just haven't found the right compounds for the DA. I rather do a 3 step correction then do a 2 step with a da and not quite get the result I'm looking for. It's probably the perfectionist in me but I just seam to get a better result with rotary. But the DA is fantastic and easy to use, not as much strain on the body, also achieve quick results. I just prefer the Rotary for the jobs that require finesse
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
3-steps are a thing of the past. I would also agree that you haven't combined the right products and techniques. We can do a 2-step DA process to perfection, and any additional polishing by a rotary won't make improvements (proven with a DOI meter).
@Booczech7
2 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail Hello, I think this myth comes from first rotary step, when I do 2 step I always start with rotary (pad and compound depend on paint demage) and I noticing there is much more paint leveling with rotary compounding vs DA compounding, I mean orange peel leveling, fortunately we have Perfect finish (which work almost every time) which is able to finish even very agresive wool compounding on rotary, best of both world!s :)
@flying_riata1168
2 жыл бұрын
The DA is best for like new cars to just shine them up and give them a quick gloss. But older cars or for paint ready cars, the rotary wins all day!!! And of course DA to follow it up ⬆️
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
Need to disagree on this one! We work on heavily beat paint as well, and not just new cars. Each machine has their own place, but I wouldn't go as far as saying the rotary is best for older cars, and the DA is better for new.
@flying_riata1168
2 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail I don’t think a rotary is really the place for a “new” car! Unless if it is being painted and needs to be cut down(sanded). I think newer cars are easier to dominate since the clear is not as bad as an old car… rotary is much more aggressive with a wool pad so yes I think it fits better with an old that has a bad clear coat. If u wanna talk about time is money then I feel like yes each machine has their own place but in my “opinion” then if that’s the case then this is best way to do it! And can’t say quantity over quality because that’s why the DA can always and never a bad idea to do a quick follow up after a rotary…
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
@@flying_riata1168 Do you have that many people paying top dollar for a multi-stage paint correction on beat up old cars that would require such a "heavy cut"?
@kickboxer8173
2 жыл бұрын
thanks. you helped me with my decision
@robertf3340
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video sir. Thanks for the explanations
@Esotericdetail
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, and glad you enjoyed the video!
@thetrailoutthere
2 жыл бұрын
I work at a car hospital with a major car manufacturer and all of us use Mirka DA polishers except for an old school guy who swears on using the rotary he brings from home. Both deliver amazing results when used properly but as you stated, it's a ford vs chevy war.
@WilliamLeonard
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you excellent video. You answered all my questions.
@aaronlott7691
3 жыл бұрын
Yea I just started detailing and using a makita rotary buffer for a month or so and these def seem like the way to go just got mine delivered today
@franco12954
2 жыл бұрын
Rotary's are scary aren't they
@lead-dog
4 жыл бұрын
Very informative as usual. Thank you.
@zacharymoragn7665
Жыл бұрын
i own both but only really use the rotary for deep scratches/oxidation like boats and rvs or a really neglected car/truck. always finish with the dual action tho. seems to go faster if you use both. Rotary for heavy cutting and compounding and dual action for polishing, applying sealants. if it’s just a one step correction i won’t even touch the rotary tho. just my two cents.
@wienerzsolt
3 жыл бұрын
We use DA for cutting and rotary for finishing.
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
We used to do that as well years ago until machine, pad, and polish technologies caught up.
@JMJustMusic
9 ай бұрын
Great video, I don't see too many comparisons with the random orbital which I feel is the perfect in between
@weaverdetails4747
4 жыл бұрын
My grandfather loves the rotary and calls me a pansy for using my DA.
@GM-cm3qc
4 жыл бұрын
Lolol
@jamesm568
4 жыл бұрын
In the proper hands a rotary will outperform any DA anytime. You are less likely to screw up with DA though.
@diegochavez679
4 жыл бұрын
Your grandpa is an old fool 😂
@pedrolomeli8735
4 жыл бұрын
@@diegochavez679 a skilled old fool?
@dannyledezma7475
3 жыл бұрын
James M I agree!
@RPJs-Cuisine
4 жыл бұрын
I use both! Both have a pro and a con! Rupes LHR15II has to have the washer mod done in order to work like it should. I can tell u haven’t modded yours. Trust me, it’s worth the 2min to modify. As for the DeWalt Rotary goes. I put a 5in Velcro backing plate on to accept the Rupes 150 pads. In the end it depends on the body lines and the situation I’m in on which I use. I can tell u that Mothers Professional Ultra Fine Polish on a Rupes 150 White Pad on a Rotary leaves no swirls and quite the finish. That’s on 1200-1400RPM.
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
We use Kamikaze backing plates on ours...the best upgrade you can do to the Rupes.
@Amolavelocicoaster_363-23.
2 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail hola, cual es la placa y que virtud tienen en comparación con las originales de rupes? no rozan el encausado o goma protectora ?? gracias
@Amolavelocicoaster_363-23.
2 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail Hello, what is the plate and what virtue do they have compared to the original rupes? They do not rub against the defendant or protective rubber? Thank you
@robinperez5312
Жыл бұрын
I use the rotery one , the da i don't like that much. And i only make two steps .buffing and polishing.thats it no swirls. I took long time to look for an excellent polish correction . But it was worth the search
@russellrattys6581
2 жыл бұрын
id personally use a rotary on something bare metal, say a truck gas tank, where you would prefer to use the edge of the pad rather than the main surface and i would use a da polisher on anything painted, because i think it just leaves a much better finish without more work, it cuts out a lot of time spent getting things right
@frelmar
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing cuts better than a rotary, hands down. A forced rotation DA is exceptional though, especially for new users
@makabroraider3321
2 жыл бұрын
I use both
@Schwabz33
4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing I leaned on a FLAX Rotary lol when I had no clue what I was using- I did two of my cars with it.. sold it for my Rupes Mark 3 Big foot lol
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
Was it a Flex Rotary??? They spin counter clockwise, which is not how everything else spins so that sometimes in a little issue... They have the best direct drive but even they are not full direct drive like their Rotary machines are... If you had no clue what you were doing with a Rotary, too bad you could not get some help... Myself, I want the pad to be Direct Drive so I can correct faster and finish even faster still... Have to be willing to take the time to learn how to use it.
@supremeshinepremier9334
2 жыл бұрын
A mí en lo personal prefiero el paso de corte con rotativa se me hace más rápido para la eliminación de rayones profundos y después de esto meto un da de 15 mm así logro refinar y abrillantar todo el daño causado por un rotativo también todo depende mucho del tipo de barniz,ya que en bajos solidos como los asiáticos con un da sale la mayoría del daño algunas veces
@KWW0321
3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy both. Lhr19, lhr21mk3, and ibrid covers just about every scenario I am ever faced with. If I was selling the machines I would absolutely be pushing the DA's though.
@johnboy5632
2 жыл бұрын
Another Great video, you guys Really Know your stuff. I learn soo much from listening to these videos. I'm fairly new to paint correction. I had a question...... Please. What about removing heavy oxidation and haze on a Boat. Would a DA paired with a wool pad and heavy cut compound be enough to cut through gelcoat??
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
It's just like any other job...you won't know for sure until you try it. Each job requires a few test sections to find what is going to give you the desired results. I'm sure there would be some that requires heavier, and others that would work fine.
@fatman4346
Жыл бұрын
For heavily scratched cars I use my rotary with G3 compound ,the switch to the DA to finish off
@roadstar499
3 жыл бұрын
You did not mention what pads and polish needed for 3 step using a rotary vs the two steps used with a DA... also were you talking about a 21mm throw DA or an 8mm DA when comparing ???
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
You are correct...I did not. As for DA, we're talking about either a 15 or 21mm throw machine.
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
roadstar499 There is never going to be a set pad, polish, machine throw, etc., that works for all paint... It all depends, heavily, on the condition and type of paintwork to start... there is so much more to go over, perhaps you should spend more time on research or sign up for a class... Good luck..
@masterspin7796
3 жыл бұрын
Rotary is still the best way to polish most cars I been rocking one for 40 years, I also use the DA Polishers for areas that might not be user friendly...
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
MasterSpin77 -- YES !!! I have been rocking one longer than you.. :) Nothing beats direct drive in the hands of an experienced user.. Guess that is why every assembly line of anything that is painted, aircraft, everything, goes by the guy/s with an air powered Rotary, fixing those last little things that happened up the line... I put a small spacer on the end of mine and it gives me just enough extra room to put even that little 1 inch backing plate and pad just on that little recessed spot, or that little scratch, etc., and get it out quickly... DA's I am not sure they can change backing plates and pads all the way down to 1 inch... Perhaps they can, I dont know, and do not even care to know.. :)
@masterspin7796
3 жыл бұрын
@@frandanco6289 It dont work...it's like turning a bowling pin upside down and trying to balance it..
@britishrocklovingyank3491
4 жыл бұрын
This is such bro-science forum garbage. I use a forced rotation, da or rotary and get great results. If you are burning edges with a rotary or takes a year for you to get used to a rotary then you have no idea what you are doing. The fact these guys can't use a rotary makes me doubt everything they say.
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
We used rotaries for many years...then switched over to the long-throw DA's. We also quantify results when comparing the two by using a DOI meter. This is by no means a case of not knowing how to effectively use a rotary! :)
@airvine91
3 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail I suppose the message here is, why try to make old-tech keep up with new tech if you're after the best work, training employees, running a business, etc. Not like DA is a great premium over rotary.
@RaldasDetails
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video sir 👍🏼👍🏼
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@kyleeast9473
2 жыл бұрын
Great to the point info, thanks!
@gregoryosen9423
3 жыл бұрын
Just curious as to how you use the DA on curved surfaces and edges. I bought a new C8 Corvette that has lots of curves and I need to paint correct it before I do the ceramic coating. There is some orange peel I need to correct. I am considering getting the DA you suggest, but with a 5" pad I have some concerns. Great videos.
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
First of all, removing orange peel from factory paint is a no-no, and not something you could do with just polishing anyways. There are very specific techniques for edges, curves, and contours, and that's something that we go into details on in our 2-day training course. Thanks for watching! Also be sure to watch this video on machine polishing: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qGNnv32YbH2mhqQ
@detailerslife8127
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Spot On 👌
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙌
@johnrolon3577
2 жыл бұрын
Part of the problem converting to the d/a in a production body shop aka insurance specific shop is the cost of material. Most shops I know strongly consider the cost of the compounds as well as the pads not to mention how quickly a detailer goes through them every week. Some shops even have a provided list of material that you are not allowed to steer away from in every department. How efficient is this system in dealing with solvent pop and dye back issues as well as runs in the clear coat after painting? Keep in mind as you're probably already aware, most shop managers want you to finish the paint corrections in least amount of time possible. Usually 30-45 minutes a vehicle at best on larger jobs and 10-15 minutes on smaller jobs
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
Apples and oranges in that situation as body shops are not going for nearly the same level of finish as detailers. Most people who claim how much "quicker" rotary polishing is are just doing a heavy cut with no finish polishing at all. 30 minutes is not paint correction, it's simply running a machine across the surface.
@joker3117nk
2 жыл бұрын
While spinning the rotary. You can perform the rotary like a Dual action by manual moving your hands a little forward and backward handling to rotary.
@eclipse_4747
Жыл бұрын
dont do that you will create haze and rotary marks
@mr_brightside_detailing
2 жыл бұрын
100% agree
@dbuckley100
3 жыл бұрын
DA's are good for detailers, diy and maybe inexperienced bodyshop finishers..they are a lot safer and very good. But in a good bodyshop a DA polisher just doesn't cut it, Rotary's are far better. You need to know how to use them properly though and if not then don't stick to the DA..easier to use. One isn't better than the other..just depends on what's it's being used for !!
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
We've seen a lot of body shops have the same feeling about them, until they have experienced how to get the most out of a good DA. And for the body shops we feel that the rotary is "faster", they're typically not doing anything to properly finish down the process after compounding. We were extremely good at rotary work, but dropped it completely years ago once new technologies came about in the machines, pads, and polishes.
@franco12954
2 жыл бұрын
Like on newer cars with maybe a small scratch or two
@josephmessenger4552
2 жыл бұрын
I use both rotary and da on a daily basis. I find it for efficient to cut heavy scratched vehicles with a rotary then polish through with a da.
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have that many customers who are paying for multi-stage, restorative-level correction?
@vac3poteski360
2 жыл бұрын
That dewalt u got there is a killer machine. I have that ans use just for cut. It is fantastic Low Rpm 600 to 1200 its enough. Good pad and u cut fast. The machine is strong and i recommended. By the way yes u can easy master the DA but u get the Jeday degree with the rotary...
@josephfogus6735
3 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda confused I have the hart 6inch buffer where does this fall into a category. It also seems hard to mess up with it..I also can't add pads mine has covers that go over? Lol can you help me better understand? Thanks
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I've never heard of that so I can't comment...
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
Joseph Fogus - you have some type of machine that is probably not a good choice for really paint correcting... The machines this man sells, including any number of Rotary machines are what you will need if you want to do the work as good as it will go, when you get experience.. Your hart machine, if you cannot even use regular foam pads with the velcro on the back, and have to use those covers, you will probably not be able to do a good job.. However, if you are not interested in getting it really good, then perhaps contact the people that made that machine and see if they have a website store and go look at what they offer.. Good luck !
@Nisotovski
Жыл бұрын
I have problem with the rupes LHR15 mk3 in panels that are not flat... it does not rotate good. I lose a lot of time trying to adjust the angle on the dor panels and its nitemare
@STILLNIGHTPEARL
Жыл бұрын
Forced rotation or rotary is your friend in those areas.
@originalguy4535
Жыл бұрын
Which DA polisher size is most versatile for DIY detailer and weekend warriors?
@Esotericdetail
Жыл бұрын
The Rupes Duetto: www.esotericcarcare.com/rupes-lhr12e-duetto-polisher/
@rheijne95
4 жыл бұрын
What about combining forces? Rotary for fast compounding, DA for polishing and refining.
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
Years ago we switched to just the opposite...DA for compounding, and rotary for finishing. But then DA, polish, and pad technology caught up to do the whole thing. You don't necessarily gain speed by compounding with a rotary...
@gerridhodges4084
4 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail I respect your channel and your knowledge but I have not found this to be true. If your dealing with hammered paint the da seems to take forever.. This is what I have come to find. If you can make any suggestions I'm all ears. I use megs microfibers and sonax cutmax on the da and I can cut atleast twice as fast with the rotary.
@rheijne95
2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, you are right Todd! 21mm DA cuts faster than the rotary. I do love the smoothness of a rotary though!
@Jan-zm2yv
3 жыл бұрын
I just switched from my dewalt to chemical guys mid level dual polisher. HATE every second of it. It's too slow , not enough rpms , having to spend double or triple time on the job. Trying to get over the learning curve but already shopping for new dewalt 😔 open for suggestions . Thanks in advance
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
Get yourself a Rupes, and watch this video: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qGNnv32YbH2mhqQ
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
Jan, most anything from Chemical Guys is not that good... I would hate it too.. Rotary is Direct Drive which can be as fast as you want, and can be used with pads and backing plates all the way down to 1 inch... Also 1 machine, does everything, no slowing down, no stopping, and especially no vibration..... If you really Want to use that Dewalt, I can promise you, you will not be disappointed...
@PRYRA
5 ай бұрын
I use rotary for cutting then use the orbital to polish it off
@shaunnormancroft
2 жыл бұрын
i work as self-employed do a lot of paint restoration work polishing old resprayed shoddy paint up and do a lot of paint correction before i even think of picking a spray gun up i go for mirror finish so correct what I can before painting and will wet flat the finish and probably finish on a 3000 wet trizact flat sometimes up to 6000 but will do my first cut old school using a heavy cutting compound with a rotary with lots of water ie g3 paste not the liquid, will then go over it with the da polisher to refine but the da would no way get the first cut I need to make it pop. I've tried lots of cutting compounds and to me, old school is the best way.
@Esotericdetail
2 жыл бұрын
I can assure you that you're not trying the right combinations of pads, compounds, machines, and techniques. We have done evaluations many times over using a DOI meter to measure clarity, and that's how we draw our conclusions.
@robjtko
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks friend!!..
@pacibaco
3 жыл бұрын
Learning curve on rotary is large . DA all the way
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
And if you run / own a business, the use of a DA is more of a scalable solution.
@ATL3xtra
8 ай бұрын
Rotary Wool pads 3D ONE Super clean the panels Never had holograms...never
@AdrielDesign
Жыл бұрын
Pro rotary folks state that DA's are for cutting, rotary for finish. Their reason is micro marring that only happens with DA. Your thoughts?
@Esotericdetail
Жыл бұрын
That statement would be based on not using the right combinations of pads, polishes, and techniques on the DA in a finishing capacity.
@hammertimee777
4 жыл бұрын
About 10 years ago I did a lot of compounding (M105) on a porter cable DA with an aggressive foam pad, and then I would go back to jewel the paint using a rotary and a finishing pad and fine polish (Menzerna grey stuff I forgot the name). The DA was unable to achieve the kind of gloss some of the ultra fine polish was designed for. I was not a pro, but I did not have issues using a rotary for the finishing step. I never shared this information with anybody. But this is the first time I hear someone actually did that and I wasn't alone!
@johnrandle8365
3 жыл бұрын
Requiring a cheap rotary I have a kit car been resprayed red I only have this car to deal with and I wonder what polish or compound will I Need to make it shine?
@frandanco6289
3 жыл бұрын
John Randle - it takes a lot more information from you regarding your experience with any machine, and what kit car, what type of paint, how many coats of paint, what is the condition of the paint today...There is no set products for any scenario.. There are many products that can do many things and the more experienced the person is the more options still available... Cheap rotary I hear are available at places like Harbor Freight... Not sure how long they last, warranty, can you replace the brushes easily, etc... Good luck...
@johnrandle8365
3 жыл бұрын
@@frandanco6289 I agree but I am in UK so we would use halfords or other companies?
@simen2290
Жыл бұрын
Yepp, somone gets it 🤟🤟🤟
@zanaga1901
3 жыл бұрын
Now I am gonna get rid of rotary but next year when I sell most of my polishes I bought but in a garage sell because I don't need all of it. Then will get a dual action polisher and some other tools gonna sell. Just don't want to have too many tools one day stored because this year been buying tools but I don't have a lot though.
@walterhahn2077
2 ай бұрын
Nothing scary about a variable speed rotary with a 6" or smaller backing plate. With the advancements in cutting and polishing liquids, and pads, it's so hard to burn paint. With rotary, it's also easier to work contoured areas. My opinions are only derived from starting out with single speed rotaries, and tied on wool bonnets, using rocks to polish, lol i'm old.
@johnb2140
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Todd, I agree with you to a point, but.... there are some cases, because of certain contours on different vehicles, the orbital just stalls and gets very frustrating, I’ve identified these area’s and hit them with a forced rotation polisher first, then go back to the orbital, .. my polishers are a Rupes 15 and 21, also use a Flex and 3m, for wet sanding I really like the Mirca with Trizact. Point being, they all have a place and application in my box.
@Esotericdetail
4 жыл бұрын
We have zero issues with contours, regardless of how dramatic they are. It's all in the technique...
@johnb2140
4 жыл бұрын
Ya okay, .....Guys, try a forced rotation machine
@mattslater2165
5 ай бұрын
The only downside of a DA is the extreme vibration when compared with using a rotary which has none. For that reason, and that reason only, I still prefer to use a rotary 90% of the time.
@ramautodetailing2011
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much
@bryantramirez742
3 жыл бұрын
Rotary is for advanced technicians. It’s much faster, you can knock out cars all day long with it. DA is a safe tool, can’t go wrong with it but when it comes to 2 or 3 stage corrections, it’ll take longer. You can also use both. Rotary for compound and DA for polishing.
@Esotericdetail
3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it an "advanced technician" by any means. And speed isn't much of an issue either because if you're hitting something with a rotary that hard and fast, then chances are you have 2 more steps to get to a finely finished product. You also have much more taping and precautions to take with the rotary. A 2-step process on a D/A, with the right techniques, can take you for a horrible condition to near perfection. The only time a 3-step might be needed anymore would be a really finicky, older paint. I used rotary for years, then switched to DA for compounding and rotary for finishing. Then when machine, pad, and polish technology caught up, switched everything to DA and haven't looked back. Once you master a long-throw DA, there's zero need for a rotary anymore.
@bryantramirez742
3 жыл бұрын
@@Esotericdetail You know what, I think you’re right and I am wrong! You’re DA to Rotary method does make more sense! Will have to try that today.
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