The title is blatant clickbait yall, Torch has not beat Stockfish in any tournament or had a better performance throughout a tournament once, it very recently lost to Stockfish in the bullet final of the CCC (570.5-429.5) and is currently scoring worse in the Blitz Semifinal
@lethallohn
3 ай бұрын
Agreed. It really is clickbait intentional or not, since Stockfish won as white with this prearranged opening as well.
@anonym5160
3 ай бұрын
He changed the Titel
@anonym5160
3 ай бұрын
Jozarov can you make your own chess engine tournament? Then you can choose your own preranged openings.
@Jozarovschesschannel
3 ай бұрын
Something could be done
@62calum
3 ай бұрын
Looks like torch smoked some fish.
@anonym5160
3 ай бұрын
Stockfish 17 in a few months will destroy Torch2!
@josiahcmiller
3 ай бұрын
Yes, keep praying.
@profounddamas
3 ай бұрын
You have proof or just wishful thinking?
@bloxorzwizard7931
3 ай бұрын
Isn't 17 beta already out?
@anonym5160
3 ай бұрын
@@bloxorzwizard7931 according to the Stockfish Channel yes
@chrisdavis2161
3 ай бұрын
Nice haircut by the way
@Jozarovschesschannel
3 ай бұрын
Thanks. With the small amount of hair that I have I got the best out of it. ;)
@josiahcmiller
3 ай бұрын
Even Stockfish got tired of the torture.
@jaanuskiipli4647
3 ай бұрын
torchure
@sandeepr7141
3 ай бұрын
Now show us how torch performed against stockfish in the same inferior position as black
@thwaib100
3 ай бұрын
Thank you ❤, look at tcec26 FRD semiLeague1 game 5 ? between Altair vs Ethereal, Altair made move 21 trapping his queen
@shouldersofgiants4649
3 ай бұрын
I really like your channel for your consistency in covering engine games but the title is blatantly incorrect. Torch just won a single pair, Stockfish is back in the lead and leads 4-1 in their head to head
@Jozarovschesschannel
3 ай бұрын
When I recorded the video Torch had a clear advantage. Maybe I should change the title
@Snowell1221
3 ай бұрын
Currently Stockfish is leading their head to head in the tournament 6 wins to 3 and Stockfish is leading the tournament…for now. Plus Stockfish is leading all its head to head matches. Misleading title.
@iwersonsch5131
3 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a blitz engine championship defined by clock cycles rather than minutes. How well can engines play with 10M clock cycles per game + 100k clock cycles increment?
@eudesgeoffroy8416
3 ай бұрын
Shame jozarov shame, everybody knows that Torch's development has been halted.
@R0M4Nlegions
2 ай бұрын
Would be good to see the game pair. Even if you spend less time analyzing side lines, it's more fair to see how the engines play each side.
@mohammadamenabdulhamid8975
3 ай бұрын
im also following all ur video sir .. from Philippines
@steliosioannou4996
3 ай бұрын
Stockfish still is first now in the tournament.That lost a game it not such a bid deal!
@anatolytsinker5317
3 ай бұрын
This is just a bad opening for black so this game proves nothing
@LimitedState
3 ай бұрын
Stockfish in fact is still the strongest and this video, also in fact, is clickbait..
@FloydMaxwell
3 ай бұрын
Follow the best engines. For sure.
@tomas-wi8dy
3 ай бұрын
stockfish is the best, temporary can be contestet, but it stil the best ... if the organizer put nimzoindian on table, torch not even touch the ball. By the way, what do Torch in same position with black?
@modolief
3 ай бұрын
This is the interesting question.
@lethallohn
3 ай бұрын
Torch lost against Stockfish as well.
@DeeDee-fi4kq
3 ай бұрын
Chessmaster 2.0 has also already proven itself to be much stronger than Stockfish 16.0 by soundly defeating the fish with the Black pieces in only 2 moves with this prearranged Computer Chess Championship opening 1.f4 e6 2.g4 Qh4#
@luxo1035
3 ай бұрын
Semifinals were restarted. Before the restart Stockfish had actually won a game pair against Torch. So no, Torch is not stronger, it just happened to win a pair after the restart and Stockfish has already recovered by winning another one. Please refrain from using these clickbait titles, many people do not follow CCC and TCEC constantly and will take titles like this for granted and incorrectly assume they're true.
@Jozarovschesschannel
3 ай бұрын
Torch is right now half of the point behind with two games less played
@janolthof2487
3 ай бұрын
If you don't like it, start your own channel. I've been following Jozarov for years. He is doing great!
@istvanmatolcsi1786
3 ай бұрын
@@Jozarovschesschannel Stockfish is right now 1 point ahead of Torch with same amount of games played, also Stockfish vs. Torch games favor Stockfish (9points for Stockfish, only 7 for Torch)
@Jozarovschesschannel
3 ай бұрын
@@istvanmatolcsi1786 today we will cover then a Stockfish game
@Jozarovschesschannel
3 ай бұрын
@@istvanmatolcsi1786 today we will cover then a Stockfish game
@AgentSmith-w8s
3 ай бұрын
Stockfish is not the strongest engine....its jozarov engine.
@joseraulcapablanca8564
3 ай бұрын
A very fine win by Torch a couple of powerful counterstrikes really changed things. Interesting how it turned after all the tactics into an endgame advantage. thanks Josip.
@GeorgeEpting
3 ай бұрын
Oh,well well before i watch this ,could it be you really learned something ,i was the one that created the change when i beat the best program and moved the elo factor up and knew what this is where it is when it is how it is no matter how confusing it looks and or sense of it to how it works😮
@GeorgeEpting
3 ай бұрын
Yes my dragon and now it is getting clearer and clearly to see but I'm still under 30 seconds easily now I told you to much 😮
@Stockfish1511
3 ай бұрын
Stockfish is stronger. Alot stronger. Just not enough games played yet.
@bloxorzwizard7931
3 ай бұрын
Slightly misleading title... instead of b5, Stockfish 16 on my HP AMD RYZEN 7000/5 wants to immediately play a much better move that's only 0.07 for white and tve organizer's b5 move gets a 0.88 and drops a minimum of 0.81. I'm thinking maybe it's the Organizers who are not the strongest anymore lol.
@Vinvin5114
3 ай бұрын
the Torch project has stopped last week.
@Jozarovschesschannel
3 ай бұрын
Can you give me a link to the news or some additional info
@PinoyGalaxy
3 ай бұрын
SF leads 1 point againts Torch but Torch wins from other engines while SF draws
@BenMartin-p5t
2 ай бұрын
not really a fair game as torch was given a much better starting position. It may have even been a forced win from that position
@dannygjk
3 ай бұрын
Ach 1/2 point ist nutink.
@michaelmassaro4375
3 ай бұрын
Wow a very surprising Thumbnail I loved watching Stockfish work its magic devastating wins it had against leelaC0 and Berserker just a super well game played by Torch great attacking and positional play Incredible I think we all enjoyed Stockfish I didn’t see that as a problem but for sure we want to see the games with the strongest engines I think Stockfish will bounce back thanks for the game Jozarov
@Jozarovschesschannel
3 ай бұрын
Its very dynamic in the tournament
@blijebij
3 ай бұрын
Maybe... As it becomes harder for chess AI to make progress at higher levels, development tends to slow down. This allows those in lower regions to catch up more quickly, eventually leading everyone to converge towards a more or less optimal chess strength. I believe this is the case with the chess engines Stockfish and Torch. Chess is the best ;)
@luciangv3252
3 ай бұрын
All other engines follow SF path, thats why are growing su fastly
@ns7379
3 ай бұрын
I don't understand after Bd3 why Stockfish avoided capture on h3 ? @ 14:02.
@paulcox2447
3 ай бұрын
Computers are looking like 15-20 moves ahead at all times. You didn't calculate over 100,000 possible combos like the computer did lol. The computers are just looking for which positions tend to win overall most often. So they will give up a piece on turn 5 if it means more winning potential by move 30. You can't always make sense of what they do as a human.
@dr.deepakgore1079
3 ай бұрын
Stocky got a lesson 😂😂
@chrisdavis2161
3 ай бұрын
Play a similar defense against the London System. A41. I know it's pre-arranged, but I don't like that early b5 move by black. It seems like an over extension without a clear provocation. I feel like you have to save that b5 for a knight kick and to prevent white from taking that long diagonal easily
@dielectrictruth1040
3 ай бұрын
Apparently Torch is a Cheat, it used Stockfish to beat Stockfish 😅
@mcmcx5514
3 ай бұрын
It was SSS. Torch development is over. And SF is leading now.
@RomanOrekhov
3 ай бұрын
3:53 why not g4 immediately to trap the knight?
@abcde...7960
3 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for create this type of videos.
@josemiguelplanton4613
3 ай бұрын
One great game ❤❤❤ Thanks
@Trizzer89
3 ай бұрын
The Stockfish team doesnt seem to operate anything like Alpha Zero. They have a much more surface level understanding of AI. It was a matter of time that they would get passed up
@richi2870
3 ай бұрын
Torch is trash, mods overwrite results for it!
@DanLyndon
3 ай бұрын
Explain
@richi2870
3 ай бұрын
@@DanLyndon what should i explain? I have seen on there website, how mods changed results for torch
@DanLyndon
3 ай бұрын
@@richi2870 Results can be changed for fair reasons. That doesn't mean anything. Also, did this game happen or not? In what way is Torch 'trash' when it is an objectively great engine?
@richi2870
3 ай бұрын
@@DanLyndon there was no fair reason lol. What are you talking about.
@theegyptiancamel
3 ай бұрын
6:33 what happens if Kxe5? Pawn is pinned
@theegyptiancamel
3 ай бұрын
I see, Qf5 attacks K and B and threatens mate in 2 with Qxf6 Qxf7 mate
@jurjenvanderhoek316
3 ай бұрын
Qf5 indeed. But there is no "Qxf6 Qxf7 mate" threat, it is Qxf2 Qxg2
@theegyptiancamel
3 ай бұрын
@@jurjenvanderhoek316 haha yes i totally messed up the board positions but thats what i had in mind 😂
@LubkaDetloff
Ай бұрын
I have the same question ... isn't it a good bishop trade for White?
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