Hi Mike, Your videos are so informational. You have an easy way about you that makes these jobs less intimating. Thank you for passing on your very valuable knowledge. Colleen
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
thanks Colleen, I appreciate it. mike
@louisortiz4435
9 жыл бұрын
All I can say is Professional;!!!! who ever gets there home by you is blessed..peace
@MikeHaduck
9 жыл бұрын
thanks, I try, God Bless mike
@GDWhiting
10 жыл бұрын
Another great video Mike. Your channel is definitely the best on KZitem when it comes to masonry. Thanks for taking the time.
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
thanks, I appreciate It mike
@jumanji70
4 жыл бұрын
He is a great mason.
@MrBmxbrawler
Жыл бұрын
I love that rounded edge. Beautiful work as always Mike! 👏 I bet those walks are still holding strong
@MikeHaduck
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam, they are, Mike
@DENAZE
8 жыл бұрын
I am fascinated with your videos. I really want to try to do something in my yard. I am afraid you make it look very simple but that it will be very complicated! Very nice videos. You are great!
@MikeHaduck
8 жыл бұрын
+denaze wharton Hi denaze, If you are going to try something just do a little sample on first and see how it works out before you do the big project. thanks mike
@brickbybric
10 жыл бұрын
very nice job mike your a skilful guy.i like the videos from denmark those trowels they use over there are great to use i have one of them for ages and use it laying brick. great tool.can,t beat seeing how guys from other parts of the world do it,all ways something new to learn.
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
yea something different for sure thanks mike
@DamTheKid
6 жыл бұрын
Best commentary ever. Mikes white text ftw!
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan I appreciate it, Mike
@rlmartin1988
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, How do you finish the surface of the concrete in preparation for the stone (rough/broom like, semi-smooth, other)? The knowledge you are passing on through your videos is such a treasure and much appreciated!
@MikeHaduck
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert , personally I just flatten it out where there is no ridges showing, thanks Mike
@rlmartin1988
2 жыл бұрын
@@MikeHaduck Thanks much for responding. Cheers!
@mkbcoolman
10 жыл бұрын
Nice work, Mike. I love your videos...they've been very helpful. I'm currently covering my back patio in Oklahoma flag, using techniques I've learned watching your videos. I'm almost done with the project, and the results so far have been stunning!
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
great, I am glad for the response. thanks mike
@falconeaterf15
9 жыл бұрын
Finished product looks amazing.
@MikeHaduck
9 жыл бұрын
falconeaterf15 I appreciate it, thanks mike
@jimcramer9696
4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed how you just got it done! No big deal!
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim, Mike
@richmarsh5029
5 жыл бұрын
Great Mike... Lovely workmanship..
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rich, mike
@pchili4
9 жыл бұрын
best walkway I have ever seen. just beautiful Mike ,nice job!!!
@MikeHaduck
9 жыл бұрын
+tractorman604 I learned it from the old timers and just passing it along, thanks mike
@resourcefulgirl
8 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! I love stone work. My sidewalk has 90 degree angles and undulating lines would look so much better. I'm building so this is what I want in my next house. Thanks for the video
@MikeHaduck
8 жыл бұрын
+resourcefulgirl Thanks, I hope it helps, mike
@fabianriquetti8498
8 жыл бұрын
what would you have to pay for sq foot approximately?
@MikeHaduck
8 жыл бұрын
I never figure stone work that way, I got to look at the job , figure out what it takes to do the job and go from there, thanks mike
@fabianriquetti8498
8 жыл бұрын
Mike Haduck Tank you for replying, I have to do something like that in my house, and I was trying to figure how mach it will cost me, thank you again
@MikeHaduck
8 жыл бұрын
check the stone yards first, thanks mike
@baggd65
10 жыл бұрын
That's interesting about the frost. We don't have that problem in So Cal. looks great.
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
yep frost and ice is out biggest enemy and everything here is build according to what the winter will do. thanks mike
@deanno7067
9 жыл бұрын
Really great work mike i love all your videos. It is a pleasure to watch someone with your skills make these jobs look so easy!!!!! Great work.
@MikeHaduck
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dean, I am just passing on what I picked up from all the other guys I worked with, I appreciate it, Mike
@markbrinton6790
8 жыл бұрын
looks great Mike. Very well done.
@MikeHaduck
8 жыл бұрын
thanks, I appreciate it. Mike
@MachoRaton
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again mike
@MikeHaduck
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks X, mike
@chadmyers4432
5 жыл бұрын
Looks great- very smooth. When you set stones with mixed faces (smooth and rough) do you choose one side to go out? I can see horizontal projects could benefit from a trip hazard, and what do you think about vertically? Thanks Mike for taking your time to educate us!
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Chad, yep, I usually look at the whole lot, and then pick and choose, best side up, and if they are too rough I won’t use them, no trip hazards, thanks, mike
@biker55555
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Mike! grasshopper here, picking up things from old-timers, much appreciated! I would like to understand, are expansion joints necessary. Sometimes I see concrete sidewalks without them and wonder how they don't crack, reinforced with rebars? if so, couldn't you do the same with yours to avoid the expansion gaps? My other question is: can stone pavers be installed the same way you installed stone in this video? I absolutely hate the maintenance involved with paved stone/pavers over sand. The dirt gets in there and weeds start to grow, they move and it becomes a big mess over few short years almost always. See it all around my neighborhood. Trying to find the right method to install patios and sidewalks around my house so they last and are free of maintenance as much as possible. I live northeast and due to winters pavers always move due to freezing/thawing of water.
@MikeHaduck
8 жыл бұрын
Hi grasshopper, yes I cut my stone and concrete sidewalks every 4 to 5 feet on average, also check out my videos how I install a paver patio, or how I install a paver driveway, I put concrete under them but I do leave expansion joints with pavers because they are only laying on the concrete my way, I hope it helps, thanks mike
@MLDOGG
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, great videos I am from England and we would be shot for wearing trainers but its nice to see how you do stuff over in the states.
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Car-files, I don't know what trainers is but I figure shorts, no worries , thanks for the comment , mike
@dslynx
10 жыл бұрын
Wow.. that is a beautiful sidewalk!
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the nice comment, thanks mike
@glennwinston9323
9 жыл бұрын
You make it look so easy, I'm almost thinking,, I could do that! I just don't have any where to do it, dad blame it! Well, anyway, good teaching video!
@MikeHaduck
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Glenn I appreciate it mike
@MZBallistic
10 жыл бұрын
I give your video's a 9 of 10,they'd be perfect 10's if you upped the video quality.
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
I know for sure, but on some smart tvs and computers the high quality videos will cause buffering. (stopping and starting) and I know I am somewhat of an amateur. but I appreciate the comment , thanks mike
@DamTheKid
6 жыл бұрын
Get your eyes checked. They are gold
@tommieduhswamy6860
5 жыл бұрын
For all intents and purposes the video is fine...the audio however. Eh! As Gramma would say. The content is superb...very nice to have such honesty and professionalism in today's mixed up world.
@pozmarciv
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike .. I put down a stone walkway and use 2 sand and 1 portland. A lot of water rose making it difficult to put in my joints. I had to keep brushing the liquid off and kept wiping the stone. I have one more section to complete. Do you have any suggestions so their wont be such a big mess ? I also tried to make a mix a little more stiff.. There still was a lot of water
@therealKINDLE
10 жыл бұрын
I live in the UK, don't care! Still love your videos! Thank you for your wisdom Mr International superstar!
@claudianogueira3221
7 жыл бұрын
Hello Mile, I love your videos and I'm going to try to do my padio with flagstone, I'm in Florida and my space is 10x14, can you please give me some tip for best cement and best mixing amount, I saw you have different type that you use in different projects.Thank you for your time to share all the great things you do.
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Claudia, I know Florida is a whole different world with cement, I would say you can get away with 3 parts mason sand to 1 part portland cement, because you have no freezing temperatures, but to be safe I would ask the guys at the supply yards what other masons are using, I hope it helps, thanks mike
@myrtlebeachsara
7 жыл бұрын
thank you for posting this! Learned a lot!
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
thanks Sara, I appreciate it. mike
@Depression2010
3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video showing a small sidewalk where you set the stone into wet cement? I am planning on doing this in the near future. My plan is to dig, lay gravel base, pour 3 inches of concrete, and while still wet put an inch or so of mortar on top and set my stone into the wet mortar. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
@MikeHaduck
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, check out my video series, stone sidewalk installation, Mike haduck, I am sure you will find some good ideas, Mike
@Depression2010
3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeHaduck I have watched the series and heard mention of laying the stones into the wet concrete but have not seen it. I understand the process of going over a previously poured surface. I am hoping to place the stones into wet concrete. I am in Connecticut. I presently have bluestone atop stone dust. It is too low. Many pieces are cracked. I want to break the blue stone before removing, remove the stone dust, put in a couple inches of gravel, pour some hand mixed concrete or cement, and place the bluestone into the wet concrete/cement. Any input? Thank you!
@MikeHaduck
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, it's funny but I haven't done one in a long time like that, basically it's the same process only you are doing the stone and cement at same time, I usually go 4 inches, mix 2 sand to one Portland, no concrete mix, and lay it right in, actually it's the better way to do it, thanks mike
@666skyway
5 жыл бұрын
Love all videos but I have a question you never mention about rebar concrete before flag stone if so what size of rebar or wire mesh if so what size . Does it require. Thanks and keep up good work.
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Sea, the problem with rebar in my area is it rots , expands and cracks the concrete after so many years, so I usually use a thin wire mesh, or nothing at all, Most stone patios or sidewalks are not being drivin on, I hope it helps, thanks, mike
@eddierodriguez40
7 жыл бұрын
good job from one stone mason to another .
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
thanks Eddie, I appreciate it, mike
@Brad_R
4 жыл бұрын
I came across this video researching my small field stone walkway I'd like to do. Great information. For small jobs can you skip pouring a concrete slab and embed the field stone directly into a portland mix or right into wet concrete as long as the base below is packed?
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Brad, yes, and actually it's the better way for smaller work, but I wouldn't do over a large span where it cannot be done in one day, thanks Mike
@Brad_R
4 жыл бұрын
Great. Thanks Mike. The path is only 3'x6'.
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
That I would do in one day, thanks mike
@annshr9917
4 жыл бұрын
Mike, I want to repair the flagstone cladding on the exterior of the house that has come off. What should I do to put these stones back? What adhesive and mortar to use? Thanking you in advance for any advice you can offer.
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Ann, I have playlist on stone veneer and stone patios, something in there should help, thanks mike
@mogbaba
9 жыл бұрын
I miss so much someone like here in Norway. Well done man. BTW, I liked your hose gun, What brand is that?
@MikeHaduck
9 жыл бұрын
mogbaba Howdy Norway, Just a plain old weed sprayer from the hardware store, thanks mike
@austinshanahan7047
6 жыл бұрын
Mike, if you were to lay brick over that instead of stone would you still put those control joints in the concrete base and then same in brick on top?
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Austin. I have videos out on "How I do paver driveways or patios, where I pour the concrete first, I think every job is different and I would not do it on top of a porch like that, and for sidewalks I would use wire a 3000 psi mix and no control joints, but again everything depends on what and where you are doing it, everyone has a different opinion, thanks mike
@kcstoneguy
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, mike
@GSMSfromFV
10 жыл бұрын
Looks great, Mike. With that concrete base, that sidewalk should never sink. By the way, how'd your back hold out with all that bending over?
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
thanks, my back is broke, just holding out. mike
@GSMSfromFV
10 жыл бұрын
Mike Haduck LOL! Well, if you're only 60, you have to hold out for another two years before minimum Social Security!
@coolski1954
2 жыл бұрын
mike ur taking me to school and i'm getting more classmates
@MikeHaduck
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mike
@michaeliannone2577
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, thanks for your videos they are so informative and very helpful. Would you recommend that same 2 to 1 mortar ratio for a mortared brick patio?.I live in south Jersey (I know that makes a difference)
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, to be honest Brick patios don’t last up here because of our weather, I haven’t even seen one in years, the water gets between the joints in winter & breaks them apart, I did a few videos on paver patios but poured the concrete and laid them on top no cement except for edges and filled in joints with the paver stuff, they held up, I hope it helps , mike
@michaeliannone2577
5 жыл бұрын
@@MikeHaduck Thanks for getting back to me Mike, I kinda figured you'd say something like that. To be honest brick patios don't last around here either. Thanks for your help Mike, your videos are always a big help!!
@bobnan9815
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. I have a small concrete driveway in fairly good condition and I plan on putting paving stones on top of the concrete. What should I use to level the low spots in the concrete first? Something that won't separate from the existing surface is needed. And should I somehow "spall" the surface or add some kind of device to make the mortar adhere to the existing surface? Thanks, Bob in Michigan.
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Bob, the way I do it is, my video "How I resurface a concrete driveway", putting on pavers it should be smooth, I almost always put them on concrete myself, but then you got the garage door issue, I hope it helps, thanks mike
@bobnan9815
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, I am going to redo the garage and raise the door so no problem. thanks for the reply, and please start using some type of breathing protection when you cut, need years more of your videos. Bob.
@tomherd6331
4 жыл бұрын
Hey mike, what would happen if you did not put expansion joints on the side walk?
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom ,I our area because of the frost we divide or put cut Mark's about every 5 feet more or less or it will crack during winter, every situation is different, thanks mike
@tombonazza4821
6 жыл бұрын
I want to use 1.5" PA bluestone for an interior floor. Subfloor is 3/4 cdx ply, insulated over non-heated dry crawlspace. In mountains of WV over 4000 ft elevation. Will use in-floor heat. Use type S or portland? Other suggestions?
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
Hi tom, I did a video called "How I install a stone patio (part 3 of3) inside foyer" Mike Haduck that should answer all your questions, I hope it helps thanks mike
@ThePeriquito51
4 жыл бұрын
WITH IRREGULAR STONES...IT IS SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO ALWAYS GET THE PROPER GRAIDENT/SLOPE...AWAY FROM THE HOUSE....FOR THE WATER TO MOVE OUT
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pedro, I agree, mike
@jumanji70
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike would like to see a revisit to this stone sidewalk, thanks
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
I got a stone sidewalk repoint video I should have comming out in a few months so I will include that at the end, I see it all the time, as good as the day I put it in, thanks, mike
@jumanji70
4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeHaduck I believe it's good, it's just the video was grainy
@matthewseymour1050
6 жыл бұрын
Great video! love the old school way of cutting the stone flagstones. That was great! i Have a Stihl ST410, would a normal blade for general cutting be ok for those flagstones?
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
hi matthew, I am not familiar with the model but most manufactures have blades that would work, I would see what they say, I appreciate the comment, thanks mike
@matthewseymour1050
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I have a Spectrum blade and think it says will cut everything and also these stones, so should be ok with that then?
@Hands4Surgery
9 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Are your stones perfectly flat and of the same thickness? I ask because i'd like to know How you got them to end up so flat over the concrete, since you don't have sand or rock under them, which would allowthem to be compacted flat. Thanks!
@MikeHaduck
9 жыл бұрын
Hands4Surgery all these stone were between 1 to 2 inches and I would either add cement or take it away to get the height, I think I explain it better on "how I do a stone patio video, mike haduck" hope it helps, thanks mike
@benborsa8266
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike when you were forming the pad (not laying stone), what did you put there for the expansion joint? Was it just wood?
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, I was using a steel form called form a key, I use them on. How I float finish concrete. Series, Thanks Mike
@adisadis6313
4 жыл бұрын
Nice job Miike...!!...what ratio in your mix you use ? And what type of sand?..( i am from Europe)
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Hi adi's, in my climate which is freezing winters I use 2 parts sand to 1 part Portland, thanks mike
@adisadis6313
4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeHaduck thanks Mike, so in my Mediterranean country, what ratio do you propose?
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
In the med maybe 1 Portland to 2 1/2 sand but that is a whole different climate than ours, I would ask the locals, thanks Mike
@adisadis6313
4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeHaduck thanks Mike!!!
@pozmarciv
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, on my walkway all of the stones are loose and the mortar between has cracked. I want to lift up the stones and use them again. Is it okay if I do that? And what if I can't get a little bit of the mortar off the bottom part is that okay as well?
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bd, I do it all the time , you could grind some of the cement off the bottom but as long as it is sticking it wouldn't bother me, thanks mike
@pozmarciv
4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeHaduck Thanks Mike , I appreciate your videos and responses. I've learned a lot and tried projects that I wouldn't have in the past.. Thx again
@johnwoolfrey5093
10 жыл бұрын
excellent. thank you
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
thanks, mike
@luisfernando-mm3jt
5 жыл бұрын
Nice work
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Luis, Mike
@carlosgonzalezgonzalez5487
7 жыл бұрын
Very good job
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
thanks carlos, I appreciate it. mike
@johnnycash5079
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Mr. Haduck How come you didn’t face these stones? Maybe cause a tripping hazard??? Or maybe they are and I can tell, just wondering.
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Johnny, I do not face stones on a sidewalk, snow shovels and the walking thing, Thanks mike
@superred13
7 жыл бұрын
Do you leave wood expansion joint in sidewalk ?
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
olds school they did all depends on the wood , but mostly steel now, thanks mike
@NashBashy
7 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, can you pour concrete sidewalk and on the same day b/f it sets up totally....can you lay the stones on top also?
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Nash, I have done it before but it has to be a fast job and the workers got to know what they are doing, I hope it helps thanks mike
@johnbrevard5966
5 жыл бұрын
Mike, Would it be possible to press the stone into the wet cement??
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Hi trying, it gets messy , I would say you got to get close to the height and the tap it in, thanks, Mike
@rudystain
6 жыл бұрын
For a lime mortar a gardener told me in Mexico they mix it 2 parts limestone to one cement(White Portland I guess 'cause it's not grey). So How much parts sand for an 'old brick' walkway on a 2 1/2 layer of concrete(w/ 6x6x10 wire). I'm a 'Newbee'
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Rudy, mexico work is different than up here in the north, I did a video called "how I install a paver sidewalk, mike haduck," that would be the techniques I use,
@rudystain
6 жыл бұрын
Killer, Thanks Mike
@wilabern
5 жыл бұрын
Do you ever do the old school walkway like you showed in China?
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Hi William, I I get calls for it I would, thanks, Mike
@rayeason5058
6 жыл бұрын
You are a funny guy and I refer to you talking about ah, erh, you know but I forget.
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
thanks Ray, I appreciate it , mike
@stefansigwalt355
7 жыл бұрын
Hey mike, great video. I heard you say that you use 2.5in of stone and 3.5in of concrete... just wondering how many inches of gravel you use at the bottom layer under the concrete? Thanks
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
Hi stefan, I would say it depends on where you live, florida- maybe none, up where I live it could be gravel or modified depending on anywhere from 3 inches up to feet, all depends on the job,, I appreciate it. mike
@GSMSfromFV
10 жыл бұрын
Mike, Did you also pour the new porch?
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
yep , that will be on a upcoming video, thanks mike
@belsayshootingground
4 жыл бұрын
Does the blade burn out without water?
@MikeHaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Hi ,eventually but with this stone it last a long time, thanks mike
@belsayshootingground
4 жыл бұрын
Mike Haduck Masonry thanks, I was thinking about using a stone chain saw on the job I’m doing, but it requires water to use, and I was thinking about just using it without to help speed up work 🤭
@ricardoolivares884
5 жыл бұрын
how thick is concrete underneath the rock, and the ratios while mixing it?
@MikeHaduck
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ricardo, I poured 4 inches of regular concrete and then laid the stone mixing 2 mason sand to 1 part Portland, other areas of the country might do it different, thanks mike
@ricardoolivares884
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making the time to reply to my question, btw really nice job!!!
@whipcream_cs2
Жыл бұрын
What mortar mixture did you use? 3 to 1?
@MikeHaduck
Жыл бұрын
Hi, In Pennsylvania I used 2 sand one Portland, others may say different, thanks Mike
@whipcream_cs2
Жыл бұрын
@@MikeHaduck 3 sand, 1 portland, 1/2 S masonry, is what a contractor where I live in Canada telling me to us. Do you think this is good?
@MikeHaduck
Жыл бұрын
Hi Kyle, in all my stone patio and stone sidewalks I show what I use, many masons have their own mix for their area, thanks Mike
@geedubb2005
10 жыл бұрын
nice!
@MikeHaduck
10 жыл бұрын
thanks, mike
@jbrise7560
5 жыл бұрын
👍
@ABCABC-hn1xw
9 жыл бұрын
Inhaling stone cancer dust No dust mask ! "Old School " ! That's the way its done in Pennsylvania !
@MikeHaduck
9 жыл бұрын
ABC ABC I don't know. I thing your right to a point, but I ain't the creator so, I do what I do the way I do it, and He knows the number of my days no matter what I do. but I try to be prudent. thanks for your concern, mike
@mortgagefinancing5558
7 жыл бұрын
What are you using for forms?
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
just some luau (thin plywood) cut 4". or anything that bends, thanks mike
@nbtocci
7 жыл бұрын
How deep do you go for the gravel?
@MikeHaduck
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Nick, sometimes 2b instead of gravel depending on the situation, but usually 4 inches, every situation is different, I hope it helps thanks mike
@greenteaman1071
6 жыл бұрын
I like old school
@MikeHaduck
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Greetea, lot of things to learn from the old timers for sure , thanks mike
@anxhelamane5709
8 жыл бұрын
niceee
@MikeHaduck
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, mike
@stephensanchez5761
6 жыл бұрын
Good job, but you made my teeth fall out when you started to pry up on the forms ; (::.
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