Caller Ryan joins the show to discuss faith. He argues faith can provide hope, using a hypothetical hostage situation where faith might give someone hope of being rescued, even if uncertain. Hosts Matt and Shannon push back that certainty of rescue would clearly be better. The debate continues on the merits of faith and certainty, when there is suddenly contention because Matt accuses Ryan of "reiterating" a point but Ryan denies that, saying he is "reinstating" - leading to anger over word definitions. As Ryan heads to a dispensary, the debate ends on a sour note.
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