I see what's going on here, Mitch wants everyone to stop playing these so they can all become budget options for his deck techs! Touché Mitch touché!
@xicufwm
4 жыл бұрын
on the next episode, Mitch is gonna tell us to stop playing Cyclonic Rift
@moyza_
4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@dwightpatch4441
4 жыл бұрын
... most of the cards were
@johnbuscher
3 жыл бұрын
@@dwightpatch4441 He's just trying to apologize for Wayfarer's Bauble.
@fakenameimadeup1480
3 жыл бұрын
This is the stupidest video I’ve ever watched of yours. You have lost your mind. Your ego is through the roof anymore. Get a ahold of yourself. “Ok? Just think about it”
@darklordtera
4 жыл бұрын
Opponent cyclonic rift. "Sure wish I had a land that gave me no hand size out there".
@nikoaz
4 жыл бұрын
I wish I could upvote this more than once.
@spic9h592
4 жыл бұрын
This. I wish the thought that cyclonic rift warps manabases in the casual decks the ban list is supposed to protect would occur to the rules committee.
@lisliaer7999
4 жыл бұрын
_> *slowly backs away and hides my Muldrotha deck*
@darklordtera
4 жыл бұрын
@@lisliaer7999 truth xD
@stormblest
4 жыл бұрын
What is muldrotha?
@lastblockbuster
4 жыл бұрын
You know what I'm gonna start playing them even harder now.
@chasebutler2665
3 жыл бұрын
A man of culture
@trashpanda9054
3 жыл бұрын
*plays card harder*
@ZacksRockingLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
It’s time. I didn’t want to be the Meren player that sacrifices and reanimates a Solemn Simulacrum over and over again just because, but now I will. I don’t even have one in my Meren deck right now, but after this video and thinking about SS, it actually should be an include in Meren.
@chriskyle223
4 жыл бұрын
"As a boros player, I'm just going to ignore this whole video...."
@soldancer
4 жыл бұрын
Just play Sram, Mentor of the Meek, and Puresteel Paladin and it will all be good.
@plasnania
4 жыл бұрын
Take my like good sir and or ma'am!
@munsterotaku3058
4 жыл бұрын
Too bad Boros player can't read, they can see shit player does!
@johnbuscher
3 жыл бұрын
@@soldancer That's what I was thinking....
@garcardosotan6172
3 жыл бұрын
@@soldancer endless atlas.
@SDC_BIGTIME
4 жыл бұрын
0:00 Me: Cool, this should be informing. 22:51 Me: Pistols at dawn Mitch.
@JoeyjojoShabadoo7
4 жыл бұрын
LOL 😆
@dakotadillard7418
4 жыл бұрын
Me: let's hear him out First card: Llanowar Elf Me: I support pistols at dawn
@Matthew-Fair
4 жыл бұрын
Ur's Golden Eye > Thran Dynamo, you heard it here first folks. Talking about 4 drop mana rocks and never mentions the best
@JoeyjojoShabadoo7
4 жыл бұрын
Sisay’s Ring > Ur Golem’s Eye
@soldancer
4 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyjojoShabadoo7 Maybe I'm just a filthy SJW, but I like the black representation on Sisay's Ring more than the somewhat generic Ur-Golem's Eye. Though I do have a foil Eye, so I tend to play it a bit much...
@hunterthorne4671
4 жыл бұрын
Me : *looks at all my copies of reliquary tower in each of my decks* Mitch "take them out!" Me: "no. I don't think I will."
@Cole444Train
4 жыл бұрын
You absolutely should. Especially in 3+ color decks. It’s never been worth it imo unless a primary plan of the deck is to draw a lot of cards.
@DanielHPee
3 жыл бұрын
bruh i run reliquary tower in ever deck i own
@NoBody-ro3xj
3 жыл бұрын
@@DanielHPee same here.. I plan on drawing a shiz ton of cards in every deck to
@earvinmanansala5213
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cole444Train sometimes you get cut rifted and even if you didn’t draw a ton of cards, you have 10+ cards in hand.
@jamesdaley1674
3 жыл бұрын
Will I be removing all my bring a friend promo tower out of every single one of my decks? Nope! Helped me keep 10-20 card hands more often than not
@ClampEEGEE
4 жыл бұрын
"Stop playing Solemn Simulacrum" No.
@munsterotaku3058
4 жыл бұрын
i agree, how i can fetch land in mono red artifact without this brave boy?
@RicardoJavierMelero
4 жыл бұрын
I guess I understand in some way Mitch's point, many people just play solemn without any thinking, but there is some facts to consider: it's a creature, it can attack and block while mana rocks don't, (only one chumblock means life gain or not loss of it), it's colorless, has an ETB trigger AND a dying trigger... there many decks out there that can take advantages of those and even abuse them. So, even thinking about it, I guess that solemn simulacrum still should see a lot play.
@gibbynorcal2911
4 жыл бұрын
@@RicardoJavierMelero this exactly. If you need ramp in mono color or you have artifact synergies or creature synergies, then solemn is amazing. The point is that it doesn't go in every deck.
@sethb3090
4 жыл бұрын
"It ramps you for one, and it costs four. That's extremely inefficient." Well, no. It costs four, ramps you for one, chumps a 6/6, then draws you a card. If you copy or flicker it, you can go find more lands too!
@tylerhiginbotham8177
3 жыл бұрын
Ive always disliked similacrum. Even back in 2009 when i started playing. Card is bunk; slow as fuck small body, and the one csrd you draw off it is often negligible. Just my two cenys on it.
@thesxex
4 жыл бұрын
elvish mystic and llanowar elves? whew, good thing i'm playing fyndhorn elves instead
@20030311
3 жыл бұрын
i play them all in my kinnan deck,they survive the stony slience
@mitrimind1027
3 жыл бұрын
I play all 3 in chulain because 1 mana ramp that triggeres his ability is really good.
@jupitereuropa-e3w
3 жыл бұрын
I Play Elf Tribal..
@moreparmesan5261
4 жыл бұрын
"Don't play these cards!" Mitch- **checks market prices two hours later**
@imperialphoenix1229
4 жыл бұрын
*laughes in wayfarer's bauble
@skelten454
4 жыл бұрын
The only one to not include is temple of the false god.
@raydelmartinez2905
4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@GreatWhiteElf
4 жыл бұрын
@@skelten454 In commander, you are statistically much more likely to draw a single copy of a card after you have 5 lands. In this case Temple of the False God.
@seryntheon8195
4 жыл бұрын
@@skelten454 I'd pretty much agree. Elves sometimes don't need to go in decks, but most others do. The Harmonise argument is just lame, nobody I've EVER seen runs it in blue decks.
@andrelee7081
4 жыл бұрын
You can pry my mana dorks out of my cold, dead hands. I make it my personal mission to swing out with my mana dorks when they least expect it lol.
@salgutierrez4710
4 жыл бұрын
Target Llanowar Elves with Xenagos, swing for 2
@ryanwillson2751
4 жыл бұрын
I'm building a Salvala deck around that exactly idea
@lucasbareis-golumb2388
4 жыл бұрын
BEASTMASTER ASCENSION 6/6 ELVISH MYSTIC YEE BOI!
@ryanwillson2751
4 жыл бұрын
Make dorks, infinite mana, walking ballista...
@salgutierrez4710
4 жыл бұрын
@@mahb0wzinyomouf Ah, I see you are a fellow man of culture
@mingusog7036
3 жыл бұрын
"Stop playing mana dorks" *literally any green deck* : Guess ill die
@DesiderioSemper
3 жыл бұрын
mostly elves
@richardmineall5428
3 жыл бұрын
just elves, I run 2 mana dorks in my omnath mono-green, and it ramps out of this world on turn 5 normally
@alexcortina7175
3 жыл бұрын
Mitch can tear my birds of paradise from my cold dead hands
@urahara64360
2 жыл бұрын
I have a casual elf tribal deck and I felt personally attacked by this entry to the list.
@XEndlessSteelX
4 жыл бұрын
It's ironic how this video can be summarized in two things; - Budget commander channel telling you not to play budget cards in favor of more expensive cards. - Something dies to removal so it's bad.
@ultraatari9298
3 жыл бұрын
Tbf in yugioh any monster you put in your deck must ask the questions Is it immune to destruction in battle and or by effects? It is immune to targeting? Is it immune to card effects? That's the hierarchy and if the answer is no to all of them it is not worth running
@Funder1Nk
3 жыл бұрын
I really can’t believe he says don’t play llanowar elf because it dies to removal. And to not play brainstorm and ponder. I’m actually un-subbing because I thought this was supposed to be someone who knows what they’re talking about.
@swiftdragonrider
3 жыл бұрын
@@Funder1Nk elfs are way worse then land ramp if people are running wraths.
@Funder1Nk
3 жыл бұрын
@@swiftdragonrider yeah. And land ramp is worse if people are playing land destruction. So what’s your point.
@swiftdragonrider
3 жыл бұрын
@@Funder1Nk it is actually better against land destruction it is only worse against mass land destruction which is frowned upon in most casual play groups.
@zacksullivan7426
4 жыл бұрын
When the budget tech guy tells you to stop playing budget cards...
@luispolanco5966
4 жыл бұрын
Live long enough to see yourself become the villain
@8MetalMike8
4 жыл бұрын
and doesn't even provide alternatives in the same price range...
@kenneth251
4 жыл бұрын
@@8MetalMike8 but he did, like fetchland spells, and examples of better cards
@justinryan470
4 жыл бұрын
The point is to stop snap picking staples and put some thought into it first. Inefficient 'budget' cards that don't mesh with a *focused deck are wasted slots and money in the end. *edited from 'optimized' for accuracy.
@Arvaniz
4 жыл бұрын
@@8MetalMike8 Ackchyually... that only happened in the removal section. ;-) That's the only part I disagreed with Mitch, Putrefy and Mortify are still providing good services these days. (Despark can very often be a dead card, or at least don't remove what you actually want to remove. And Anguished Unmaking is somewhat more expensive than Mortify. Nevermind Assassin's Trophy.)
@nathanfriedman7367
4 жыл бұрын
This video was basically Mitch just saying that almost all commander staples are overplayed
@bt5087
4 жыл бұрын
🤣
@xenosai371
4 жыл бұрын
Well people assume staples are staples and they staple them in their decks giving the cards staple status
@BrendonTheBrewbarian
4 жыл бұрын
His attempt to bring down the price of these cards
@Farycane
4 жыл бұрын
in which world is Reliqury Tower, commander sphere etc a staple :D
@bt5087
4 жыл бұрын
Temple of the false god should be burned then banned for being so AWFUL...god damn its terrible. Casual even
@edwardmcintosh7952
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch: Putrefy is bad because you need to focus more on enchantment removal 30seconds from the future Mitch: Mortify is bad
@sethb3090
4 жыл бұрын
Because you need to focus more on artifact removal, yes
@edwardmcintosh7952
4 жыл бұрын
@@sethb3090 which could be achieved with putrefy.... Which he also said was bad ...
@Dunhilina
3 жыл бұрын
@@edwardmcintosh7952 He said that (in his meta where there are many creature based board wipes) something that removes artifacts and enchantments is better than something that only removes one of those two that also removes a creature, so Disenchant or Return to Nature is better than Mortify or Putrefy.
@matiasc003
3 жыл бұрын
Just put all removals that destroys permanents
@ODDnanref
3 жыл бұрын
@@matiasc003 Those tend to be expensive, mana wise. Sometimes, you don't want to blow out your own mana rocks.
@mxmsnnn19
4 жыл бұрын
Hard disagree on the diamond cycle, especially in 3+ color decks. Even in 2 color decks. If you play them on any turn except turn 2, with no turn 1 ramp, they are worse than commanders sphere and ingot, bc they enter tapped. You play sphere and can immediately tap it, so you net -2 mana that turn, just like the diamonds. But you get the benefits of color fixing and card draw/indestructible.
@coreyroberson4550
4 жыл бұрын
On Solemn Simulacrum - "it ramps you by one, and it costs 4; that is extremely inefficient" -Rampant Growth - 2 mana -2/2 body - 2 mana -Draw a card - 2 mana (generally, outside of blue) It ramps in non-green decks, it can chump block or be sacrificed, it is easy to recur, and it draws a card (or two in Teysa Karlov). Should it be in every deck? No. Is it a fantastic card? Absolutely. Keep in mind, it's in 21% of decks on EDHREC, and many of those aren't green or have recursion or like artifacts, etc. Lots of reasons to run this. If you only look at the ramp, it's inefficient, but if you look at the whole package, it's actually quite efficient.
@maxgerber8399
4 жыл бұрын
Corey Roberson Agreed. There are so many decks this card fits into for one reason or another. But one reason that I don't think is being addressed here is that a lot of people just like the card.
@ohmygodtheykilledkennytheb7267
4 жыл бұрын
But... for 2 mana a vanilla 2/2 is really bad so I’d say it’s ok at best..
@Bartleby1892
4 жыл бұрын
Not many potential 3-for-1s are argued about for over 10 years.
@ohmygodtheykilledkennytheb7267
4 жыл бұрын
Well, yes...
@MrBlitzer75
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly. It may sound efficient but it's not. Bear in mind you don't have the option to use any one of the three aspects individually and have to pay full price. Also the key window for ramp will be long past. Not to mention that a vanilla 2/2 is inconsequential in commander. Rarely will it ever save you, and one save in 100 deaths isn't worth a slot. And the draw is never guaranteed. It's a great card for beginners who play 30 turn games that haven't built their own decks yet. But once you're ready to start upgrading your deck it's on the prime cutlist.
@ohmygodtheykilledkennytheb7267
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch, we all appreciate the daily uploads but... I think think the little thing called sleep might be necessary
@Entiao98
4 жыл бұрын
He's getting more and more cynical I think 😅
@grevedanko
4 жыл бұрын
🤣
@nickbalmes6640
4 жыл бұрын
It shows in his speech 😅
@TONT4320
4 жыл бұрын
his speech, his facial expressions, everything. It's very obvious he is sleep deprived. Mitch, for your viewers, for your channel, but most importantly for your personal health, take a break man.
@cutecommie
4 жыл бұрын
And perhaps script and editing
@johnkater5276
4 жыл бұрын
The cantrips in blue are about getting the right card at the right time. They cost one Mana and provide selection, effectively serving two huge roles of letting your deck be "98 cards", which reduces variance (similar to why fetchlands are so amazing), while also allowing you to keep more hands of 7 without needing to Mulligan, since the selection can often find a land, once again boosting consistency. They are very powerful effects for finding answers where there previously was none. And that's without talking about their benefits in Storm or Topdeck-style gameplay.
@Twinrehz
4 жыл бұрын
"Unwritten rule: do not blow up lands" I think my group missed that memo.
@Sheriff_K
4 жыл бұрын
But when someone going off with a Cradle or something, or has a Tabernacle in play.. they kind of deserve it. 🙄
@lucarioknightb7685
4 жыл бұрын
Mr E Meat In my group, it’s just not land WRATHS. targeted land removal is whatever.
@lucarioknightb7685
4 жыл бұрын
Mr E Meat ...did I stroke out? Did you stroke out?
@09Dragonite
4 жыл бұрын
If it makes you feel better, groups tend to casually become more and more competitive the longer that they are together and the more time they have to experience multiple styles and archetypes of play. Land destruction initially was really bad in my group, so was combo, but eventually we all figured out how to utilize those strategies as well as how to effectively shut them down so that we could interact with powerful decks. Now we have a wide variety of decks with different specialties and most of them are relatively fun to pilot and play against.
@D00ML0RD1
4 жыл бұрын
I mean I don't blow up lands I just bounce them back to your hand and make playing a land eat a 4th of your health taping a land eats a 4th of your health ow and not tapping them eats a 4th of your health. Basically I have a deck that says stop useing lands
@kuwabaragriffin5429
4 жыл бұрын
Watching a budget channel Mitch: you should use more expensive cards
@erickramirez6613
4 жыл бұрын
Jajajjajajjajajjja xD
@erickramirez6613
4 жыл бұрын
Yes i couldnt believe: dont use commanders sphere, buy a mana crypt
@Dovahkiin2406
4 жыл бұрын
Apart from the obvious mana crypt and mana drain, which card did he list, that is expensive? Counterspell? Farseek? Signets?
@IbrakadabraRules
4 жыл бұрын
But many of his suggestions are super reasonable, dont play Cancel and don't play Harmonize is good advice, and doesnt really have to do with budget, same for Reliquary Tower Him denying that Cantrips are good just shows how little he knows about Magic in general though
@Avatarbee
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch: Check out all these cool budget cards. They are suprisingly effective. Also Mitch: Your cheap cards are bad and you should feel bad.
@tact1cal403
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch: Sad robot is gonna stay sad. Solemn Simulacrum: *sad robot noises*
@Duderhausen
4 жыл бұрын
In regards to reliquary tower, being the devil's advocate: with the reprinting cyclonic rift, it makes sense so you don't have to discard half of your board that was bounced.
@PrinceDman
3 жыл бұрын
The good news is that the card is still $20, and after reading a lot of comments it appears that 90% of the viewers are running $25 budget decks!
@obliviouslich1722
3 жыл бұрын
Jesus, they should just ban Cyclonic Rift. What a problematic card.
@KSpecProductions
2 жыл бұрын
@@obliviouslich1722 the card is fine
@obliviouslich1722
2 жыл бұрын
@@KSpecProductions Fine? That card is a mess. An Assymetrical boardwipe as an Instant? Best boardwhipe in the game by far.
@KSpecProductions
2 жыл бұрын
@@obliviouslich1722 it costs 7 mana and only bounces to hand. It is fine. It is powerful, but far from broken.
@esper4605
3 жыл бұрын
"Stop playing Brainstorm" Stop playing blue.
@freezii625
4 жыл бұрын
Bro you seem irritated in this video like you’re trying to convince someone in your meta lmfao 😂
@radientdan86
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe one of his other personalities. Solo quarantine can have its toll on people. I think of Jack Sparrow in Davy Jones locker.
@pikapika4208
4 жыл бұрын
@@radientdan86 Yeah, with the amount of content Mitch is putting out I wouldn't be surprised if he's overworking himself also. He's human just like the rest of us.
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai
4 жыл бұрын
Lol it sounds like he’s trying to give his kid life advice
@paytonmiller768
4 жыл бұрын
This is probably directed at that Dave guy I’ve been hearing about
@The_Nerd_King
4 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@jarlballinswagg1710
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch: “play mana rocks that return half of the mana invested. Darksteel ingot is a little too slow because it only gives you one third the investment” Mitch.... I hate to inform you but Bauble is also a one third return investment...
@crazymaxter586
4 жыл бұрын
it could be half two minutes later with the competitive storm deck across the table from you
@reddpeterson7264
4 жыл бұрын
but you can get the land turn 2 if you play it turn 1
@MrBrokenSunday
4 жыл бұрын
He also said: "You want to ramp on turn 2". Play the Bauble on turn 1, crack it on 2 = Turn 2 ramp.
@crazymaxter586
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrBrokenSunday shhhhhh
@tegansumei9772
4 жыл бұрын
Not really. It's 2 mana cheaper, so you can play it more conveniently than the ingot.
@maximiliandemarco5869
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah ponder, preordain, and brainstorm are only good in decks looking to assemble specific cards, smooth out draws, help find interaction, and dig for answers for threats. Very specific deck building requirements. Only a small percentage of all MTG players would want access to these effects.
@williammullins1320
Жыл бұрын
what about commanders like the watcher in the water from the lotr set? I have the cantrips in mine and want opinions
@therainbowkitten3328
4 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the mana dorks because by the time someone wrath’s the mana dorks have done their job and let you cast big things faster but after the first wrath you should have enough lands(assuming your hitting land drops) to no longer need the dorks
@user-yf5ns5sl2z
2 жыл бұрын
This is true as long as the "Big spells" you are casting aren't also big creatures that get hit with the wrath as well. Mitch even says that some decks should still totally run dorks, they just aren't auto-includes just because your commander has green in their identity.
@Demotros
4 жыл бұрын
“Don’t play cards. Something might happen to them.”
@nanoacido5174
4 жыл бұрын
Most of these see play because they are decent AND budget.
@zeroisnine
4 жыл бұрын
Budget/included in the precons already.
@ericbitson8927
4 жыл бұрын
THIS I watch this channel for budget builds cause my broke ass cant afford the better versions. Now, on a channel that prides itself on the cheapest decks possible, we're being told to stop doing that because there are better cards.
@zeroisnine
4 жыл бұрын
@@ericbitson8927 Well, I don't think his card recommendations are changing, but there's a new context that he isn't considering. Providing a budget deck is 1 deck. Saying X cards should not be played, means now he's upgrading/criticizing all decks. It's very similar to feels-bad plays during the game. Doing something cool (like playing something powerful or providing a budget list) is a positive act adding to the experience. Negative acts (like Armageddon or saying "your decks running X are incorrect") however detract from players experiences.
@bobby45825
4 жыл бұрын
@@ericbitson8927 He's not recommending not using the cards based on price, but on feasibility or even practicality. Unless you have a deck that draws a ton of cards, or unless someone is playing jin gitaxius in your group, do you REALLY need Reliquary tower? I'd go one step farther than mitch and say spot removal is KIND OF bad in commander. 1 for 1's in commander often put you way behind if all of your opponents cards are designed to 2-for-1 at minimum.
@zeroisnine
4 жыл бұрын
@@bobby45825 Controversial opinion. Board wipes are overrated. (Other than Cyclonic Rift). Spot removal is 1 for 1 yes, but if an opponent is playing a board wipe you might be getting a free X for 0. Spot removal isn't about efficient trades, it's about timing (i.e. low cmc instant). By waiting until key moments you mess with opponent timings, bait others into dealing with them, and allow you to develop your own game.
@billymartin2220
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch. Take a break, you don't need to upload every day. I liked your videos better when you are relaxed. Remember your arixmathes deck tech? You were so laid back, I'd like to see that mitch again.
@natenicholberg7328
4 жыл бұрын
"I should have done more research before I talked about this" - a quote that sums up the video.
@nine1690
4 жыл бұрын
you say that as though you have any counter points
@NoBody-ro3xj
3 жыл бұрын
This is dead on.
@vyshan8431
4 жыл бұрын
I am feeling I'm being sent mixed messages.
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai
4 жыл бұрын
Mana dorks: The efficiency isn’t worth it, they die too easily. Darksteel Ingot: I know it’s protected but it’s not efficient enough. (Also would rather have Diamonds even though they enter tapped and therefore are not usable until the turn Ingot is usable and only tap for one color.)
@CityofLight11
4 жыл бұрын
@@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai Lets say you have three lands and either a diamond or a dingot available as your source of ramp. With the diamond you cast it T2, untap on T3 and have four mana available. With the dingot you play it on T3 and only have the one left over to do something with. It depends on how low to the ground your deck is of course, some decks may not care about 4 drops or need the colour fixing more.
@r3doctave657
4 жыл бұрын
@@CityofLight11 The contention I have is with comparing efficiency of cards within a casual format and, by his own admission, his established meta. We disagree with the preconception that casual EDH needs this to be fun.
@CityofLight11
4 жыл бұрын
@@r3doctave657 Everyone's group will be different in any number of ways. Mitch pitches nearly all his Commander decks at the 'focussed' level and I would say his comments are pretty fair when viewed from that perspective, because part of focusing a deck is keeping it efficient.
@r3doctave657
4 жыл бұрын
@@CityofLight11 I agree, and several cards suggested do betray that for me. The Mortify example, Anguished Unmaking is indeed a more efficient card but Utter End flies the other direction than that. Despite the "focused" level, it runs the gamut of super casual (Rampant Growth) all the way to pricy competitive staples (Casually mentioning Mana Drain and Ancient Tomb). Fact or Fiction vs BS/Ponder/Preordain wasn't my favorite example, 3 generic difference and your opponent can dictate what you keep. I would rather run both but FoF would be on the short list quite fast.
@Ravenpoe121
4 жыл бұрын
"Don't play mana dorks" Haha, no
@eustacemcgoodboy9702
4 жыл бұрын
Right? Birds of Paradise?! Hellooooo!
@pkphantom
4 жыл бұрын
I choked on my drink and thought he *had* to be drunk 🤣
@Dgdfdvdy
4 жыл бұрын
Ha ha dork tribal... prove me wrong that there good
@antoniobush4560
4 жыл бұрын
I mean to be fair the land enchanting ramp cards are super underrated and usually better than stuff like rampant growth, spread the word
@Matthew-Fair
4 жыл бұрын
"If there's two wraths by turn 10 you're gonna be out of luck" Dude he's assuming they ONLY ramp with creatures and NOT with Farseek, Growth, Kodama, Cultivate, Growth Spiral, artifacts, AND Dorks. This guy must have gone insane from the lockdown
@SamuraiDomurai
4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or does every time that Mitch says "okay?", it sounds really condescending?
@thevorhandener5280
4 жыл бұрын
It's not just you
@plasnania
4 жыл бұрын
Right there with you, buddy. Doesn't help that I am verbally disagreeing with him through the computer screen and then he acts condescending. Mortify and Putrefy are great cards.
@grsando
4 жыл бұрын
Incredibly
@stevensatak1592
3 жыл бұрын
My Titania's Song waits for players like Mitch...
@SamuraiDomurai
3 жыл бұрын
@championchap sounds like you speak from experience
@Aluze
3 жыл бұрын
"counterspell is just better" Okay. "removes all alternates to leave one counterspell in my 100 card deck*
@kingfuzzy2
3 жыл бұрын
Abjure tho
@Brawler_1337
2 жыл бұрын
Mitch isn’t saying to remove all counterspell a that are less efficient than Counterspell. What he’s saying is that there are so many other counterspells at three mana, many of which are just Cancel + upside, that Cancel should be the last counter you should use in that slot. The exception, like he said, is if you’re playing a deck like Baral or Talrand that’s, like, fifty counters and nothing else.
@Penguirrel
2 жыл бұрын
Cancel is great if that's the copy you own. If you don't own any of those other niche counters then what real difference does it make in most any game?
@troublemaker9899
4 жыл бұрын
"It's not Wayfarer's Bauble, okay?" Thank god. Imagine wasting three mana on a single basic land when you could spend four to get a basic land, a blocker AND payoff card draw.
@nicolodipietrantonio566
4 жыл бұрын
Solemn simulacrum is awful unless you're playing a deck that blinks/reanimates him several times. A 2/2 blocker isn't gonna be able to block most things that are gonna win the game or alter it. It can't deal with a craterhoof, it can't deal with steel hellkite, it cant deal with brago. It's also just too slow if you're still trying to ramp between turn 3-4 and ONLY getting 1 land for it you're way behind
@BarbeChenue
4 жыл бұрын
Tapping out on turn 4 to get that extra land on turn 5? Versus: tapping out on turn 1 & 2 to get that 4th land on turn 3 when it actually matters? I play cEDH, so obviously neither are played, but if you're not playing cEDH, and don't have a 1 drop, this is basically a pseudo-Nature's Lore / Three Visits / Rampant Growth / Into the North / Farseek effect (yes, the first two are better if you have a 1 drop, hence why they actually see fringe play in cEDH).
@sykeassai
4 жыл бұрын
Neoform and Eldritch Evolution, turning a 2 or 3 drop into a 5 or 6 drop for 5 mana with etb and death triggers? kinda makes it worth it in the right decks
@nicolodipietrantonio566
4 жыл бұрын
@@sykeassai sounds like a cute interaction but you're already running blue and green at that point. I'm sure there's still better creatures and draw spells. Also natural order is a thing you can use and solemn simulacrums cmc doesnt matter in that case.
@sykeassai
4 жыл бұрын
@@nicolodipietrantonio566 my Simic deck works on the principle of landfall to draw out the deck. I don't need to rip out green creatures. If anything getting out certain blue creatures would be more useful. A card like Craterhoof Behemoth, apart from 10 years of never owning one, it's also pretty redundant.
@jaysonix3510
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch: *compares Solemn Simulacrum to Wayfarer's Bauble* me: ight imma head out
@Mozicon
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he misses the entire point of the card. It's a card that nets you 2 cards the vast majority of the time and has a body stapled onto it. Now, is the card outdated? Yes, but that's because card advantage (and ramp for that matter) is handed to you on a silver platter with the arsenal cards out there today, but that's not what he was arguing. He was just arguing that the card is straight up inefficient, which simply isn't true. In a vacuum, the card is very efficient, and that's why it was a staple for so long. It only dropped in favorability due to power creep and decks having natural engines that didn't need a supplement for card advantage.
@NoBody-ro3xj
3 жыл бұрын
@@Mozicon solemn actually sticks to his rule of thumb about ramp , and wayfarer's bauble doesn't lol
@NoBody-ro3xj
3 жыл бұрын
its 3 fold a blocker, land snatch and draw card lol
@swiftdragonrider
3 жыл бұрын
@@NoBody-ro3xj solom costs 4 and ramps you 1 bauble costs 1 and then 2 which in many times will just costs you 2 and ramps you 1.
@NoBody-ro3xj
3 жыл бұрын
@@swiftdragonrider how does bauble cost you only 2?
@AlterRequiem
4 жыл бұрын
The majority of the time, I treat Commander's Sphere as "Pay 2: Draw a card." The fact that it can sit out as a mana rock while I dont need the draw power is kinda a bonus.
@BBOYSD
4 жыл бұрын
I play it in korvold, then its a mana rock that could draw u 2 and +1+1 your commander 😂 plus it helps in getting your colors fixed.
@CrabOnABeach
2 жыл бұрын
either it's a mana rock or a simple cycle
@Kristoph567
4 жыл бұрын
I watched, until that moment, where you're saying, I should not play preordain, ponder or brainstorm. In format with only singletons, where it's harder to get the cards I want at the moment? Well, I bet you have some really good arguments for that. I kept watching, and I only got "because they dont generate card advantag,e they just replace themselves". And also, "Certain other decks are able to utilize them more". Are you serious? No, seriously, are you serious?
@soldancer
4 жыл бұрын
Talrand and Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenious would like to have a word with Mitch, please.
@seryntheon8195
4 жыл бұрын
He apparently hates card selection.
@jaywinner328
4 жыл бұрын
I've actually cut them because each time I drew them it felt like I had to pay a 1 mana tax before reaching a card I actually care about.
@seryntheon8195
4 жыл бұрын
@@jaywinner328 That 1 mana "tax" is called card selection and a thinner deck.
@jaywinner328
4 жыл бұрын
@@seryntheon8195 Yes and much to my surprise, it hasn't been worth paying.
@alexphan6657
4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or is Mitch getting madder in his vids?
@ODIRGO
4 жыл бұрын
I was just about comenting on the subject,too.
@me364874
4 жыл бұрын
Yea, it's honestly annoying. He's full of himself.
@oddjob4212
4 жыл бұрын
I can't help but agree. I feel like there's less objective KZitemrs out there because their brains are stuck on budget options.
@nickfitzpatrick5878
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I am 5 month in the future and this is 100 % true. He had to delete a video due to how emotion he had gotten.
@calebmelton3389
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch:”Stop using elvish mystic and llanowar elves” Also Mitch *proceeds to put them in every deck tech with green*
@iliketoast7804
4 жыл бұрын
@@XCodes wtf
@iliketoast7804
4 жыл бұрын
@@XCodes wtf
@cutecommie
4 жыл бұрын
@@iliketoast7804 Facts don't care about Caleb's feelings.
@iliketoast7804
4 жыл бұрын
@@cutecommie but that's alot of effort to put into something like that
@ryanbergerud7011
4 жыл бұрын
@@iliketoast7804 it would take 5 minutes to check every deck tech with green then click on the lists in the descriptions to check for those 2 cards
@kellylogs2642
4 жыл бұрын
"There are better options than Mortify, that one I won't budge on." Joke's on you, Mitch, I play all your alternatives and more and still play mortify too. Yes my meta needs that much removal. No I can't rely on wraths. I'm a tribal deck I can't afford to lose my creatures if I can possibly help it.
@Ultimaodin
4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't this a channel for budget building? I get signets and talismans aren't the most expensive cards ever but command sphere is card people most who enter commander have. It's almost like it's free to them. The reason it is popular is accessibility. I also hate the argument of Solemn. Solemn has it's place in EDH not just because it grabs lands but it's versatility. In Meren it's repeatable free ramp and card draw in one, in white it's one of the few sources of land ramp that can also be flickered. It's why White runs Kor Cartographer. He even mentions the decks that utilize these effects with it. When he suggest Abrupt Decay ($7) over a card printed in most green black precons. Like this whole list comes down to him saying "I know there are decks that could use this but..." Straight up the reliquary tower argument is so dumb, Oh I have 8 cards and need to pitch one... What format are you playing? Most decks with Reliquary tower in them oft draw like 7 cards at a time. I've had well over 30+ cards in my hand I can keep hold of thanks to cards like Reliquary Tower.
@PrinceDman
3 жыл бұрын
Did you even listen to the video? He literally said that if you're drawing a bunch of cards then reliquary tower would be useful...
@Ultimaodin
3 жыл бұрын
@@PrinceDman Did you? Watch that section again he says it is vastly overplayed in a video about cards we should Stop Playing. Glad you responded to a 9 month old comment to be all like herpa derpa did you watch the video. He even said he'd probably get a lot of comments because he is objectively wrong and his argument against it is just dumb, because people play it in mono white and three colour decks. I play it in 5 colour decks and the one land doesn't make the rest of my mana base suck.
@sharktenko267
3 жыл бұрын
i play feath so i literally need the tower ^_^
@RealCraftspirit
3 жыл бұрын
@@sharktenko267 I play Necropotence so I need this thing in my deck lol
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
4 жыл бұрын
I'll stop playing Reliquary Tower when people stop bouncing my first creature after I get mana flooded.
@soldancer
4 жыл бұрын
Oh, that's rough.
@int0th3v01d
4 жыл бұрын
I’ll never stop playing Reliquary Tower. That’s the tweet.
@georgeparadoxengineering
4 жыл бұрын
I'll stop playing after I stop drawing 8-14 cards after casting one recurring insight.
@christopherpoxon9508
4 жыл бұрын
I use it as a defensive card, we like to force people to discard. Not really competitive but annoying 😂
@johnnyRandomadness
4 жыл бұрын
I play spell book and reliquary tower
@werbearjack
4 жыл бұрын
First we have Wayfarer's Bauble. Please stop playing it, it's getting too expensive to include it in budget decks.
@magnustelvallo2254
4 жыл бұрын
Budget channel: Tells my to use mana crypt instead of temple of the false god. *surprised pikachu*
@adamkolacek8240
4 жыл бұрын
No, he didn't. He just pointed out, that it can very well be just a dead card in your hand. Just as he said - if you are ramping towards a costly commander, go for it. Otherwise it is better to fix your mana, especially if you have 3 color deck and up, or to put in some utility land instead.
@Cole444Train
4 жыл бұрын
That’s... not what he said.
@magnustelvallo2254
4 жыл бұрын
I know. I was just being overdramatic for the sake of a meme.
@reallifeshadow3552
3 жыл бұрын
I sold my mana crypt. 🙂
@Hrafnskald
4 жыл бұрын
#1: Don't play efficient first turn ramp, it's too easy to destroy. #2: Don't play inefficient protected ramp, it takes too long. Make up your mind. Either ramp should be fast, or it should be durable, but don't dis fast for not being durable, then turn around and dis durable for not being fast.
@Beanmachine91
2 жыл бұрын
im calling your bluff
@duandredebeer1024
4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or was Mitch super condescending this video. When he got to brainstorm I was just like "yikes" and i don't even run brainstorm in my decks XD
@psy_p
4 жыл бұрын
This is the third video with thi topic in less then one year. He always say the same thing about the same group of cards (changing only one or two). You may well take these as bait videos.
@5mateomcm5
4 жыл бұрын
So... setting the top of your deck, cantrip or not is super effective. Not to mention brainstorm can effectively turn 2 other cards in your hand into pseudo cantrips too. Say you have 4 cards in your hand, someone plays a big threat and needs to be dealt with now: dig 3 cards down for 1 mana, place 2 you don't need back.
@5mateomcm5
4 жыл бұрын
@The Malicious Zephyr True, and I don't mean it's a staple in all decks, but there's more than just a very small select few decks this works in. I would get it if it was "stop auto including this in all decks that have blue" but there are tons of different decks out there. In the right decks, someone could brainstorm right before their turn and either combo off, find the right removal for something, or displace something from their hand that won't work until a turn or 2 later for something they can play right then and there.
@zeroisnine
4 жыл бұрын
@@5mateomcm5 I've heard enough times that "Brainstorm bad" and not seen it enough to think that it's actually underrated at this point. It's not that hard to hit enough shuffles to make it "combo" into Ancestral Recall. Honestly, I think it's more that card draw spells overall (as opposed to engines) aren't that great. Other than Fact or Fiction, I'm not really excited about any one-time card draw spell.
@JoeyjojoShabadoo7
4 жыл бұрын
I will never take Brainstorm out of Intet
@zakarypembleton9666
4 жыл бұрын
This man is getting thrashed in his playgroup, by a Green/Blue wheel deck by the sound of it; and is trying to convince his man to stop winning. "Cantrips are just bad and see way too much play.... RANDY"
@jupitereuropa-e3w
3 жыл бұрын
I love ppl who say: Look your card is bad. Then proceed to show the 2 best cards of that category who are already in my deck and known by everyone.
@kamyleond1446
4 жыл бұрын
I watch your channel regularly, but this was one of the videos I wish I skipped. You were wrong on every single point. Absolutely none of the comments you made in this video made any sense to a player that actually enjoys playing the game and has any amount of experience in the game. Plea any more of these style of videos. Otherwise keep up the good work. I enjoy most of your content and look forward to seeing more from you
@robertmayer9772
4 жыл бұрын
"don't run mortify"... man im running murder in most of my decks, i'd be happy if i had a couple mortifys :D
@jacobfrank2664
4 жыл бұрын
but why run murder? in black there are a ton of solid 2 mana removals at common or uncommon, and particularly in commander I'd run price of fame, which is an uncommon as well, over murder in every deck
@robertmayer9772
4 жыл бұрын
@@jacobfrank2664 just because thats the one already i own ^^
@jamespooh2
4 жыл бұрын
murder is fine. not great, but fine. run it if it works for you and it sounds like it does
@soldancer
4 жыл бұрын
@@robertmayer9772 Dude, when Murder was first printed, it was actually really cool, because until then, Black had pretty much always had the "non-black and/or non-artifact" clause grandfathered in from Alpha's Terror. It was exciting to see a Black kill spell that just straight-up, well, MURDERS something. Though now we have other options like Hero's Downfall, Never//Return, and Ruinous Path that (while some being sorceries) do other cool things, too. But yeah, play what you have. I almost never buy cards for Commander. My collection has been going since 1994, so I have a lot of cards from over the years, but I LOVE the challenge of just making decks from what I already have, even if they are not optimal.
@robertmayer9772
4 жыл бұрын
@@soldancer ah yes, I still love my good old doom blade even if I can't count the times I wished it would work on some annoying black creature
@patrickkranzpiller6400
4 жыл бұрын
This video: I don't know much about competitive but don't play this card unless of course your deck synergizes around it! Welcome to deck building 101
@half-assedcraftswithbigmik4301
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch: “Stop playing mana dorks.” Me: “Ahight, Imma head out.”
@soldancer
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mitch, Marwyn the Nurturer would like to have a word with you...
@dbldekr
4 жыл бұрын
My mono green deck doesn’t play any mana dorks or rampant growth effects. Azusa does it all by herself
@Aaron0000014
4 жыл бұрын
*in decks that don't have a use for creatures. Just run rocks instead so they don't die to pings or something
@ryanb.7751
3 жыл бұрын
@@Aaron0000014 But there are other decks that make great use of fast mana. My Voltron Sigarda deck needs to get her out quickly to ensure a smooth win. Another point is that if you are playing green, by the time a board wipe or something happens to your dork (lets just say turn 4 or 5) you should have also played something like farseek or a signet. His point is valid if your deck has multiple colors, but I think what he said was too broad.
@NightOfCrystals
4 жыл бұрын
Brainstorm is so highly rated because of shuffle effects, making it like Ancestral Recall lite. Brainstorm + fetch = great. The removal spells are budget and meta-dependent. Lots of people run enchantments because a lot of decks don’t run enough enchantment removal. Mortify is OK. Harmonize is good. Concentrate is good. One thing I will say is that there are too many cards that have come to be seen as “auto-includes” when they aren’t. I have had tons of games where Reliquary Tower mattered a lot. Temple of the False God is unplayably awful, 100% agree.
@AbyssArray
4 жыл бұрын
Personally, Reliquary Tower usually isn't worth the deck slot, played a solid 18 games over the last 2 weekends - only discarded cards from excess in two games, where I bounced my own stuff back to hand to avoid a board wipe (discarded lands which I didn't need at that point, no big deal)
@erichorton3901
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch: "Putrefy and Mortify are inefficient removal" Mitch: *Suggests removal of the same CMC that put your opponent up on card advantage then proceeds to discuss inefficient cantrips*
@guysmcfellas615
4 жыл бұрын
Right?! Hell, I'd gladly give something up for two cards! Haha
@aubenixilis3195
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Mortify is not a good card, but Oblation is 100% worse. If you're running a 3 cmc removal in white Generous Gift is what you want.
@yanjia1777
4 жыл бұрын
aubenixilis oblation is worse? Have u ever tried to play it in your deck before? Shuffling into your opponents library is literally the best form of removal there is since it dodged so many protection effects or death/recursion effects. It’s well worth giving them 2 cards
@aubenixilis3195
4 жыл бұрын
@@yanjia1777 If you want to dodge those things exile removal is a thing too. 2 cards is way too steep of a cost.
@salvatorestabile5547
4 жыл бұрын
@@aubenixilis3195 Mortify and Putrefy are great cards
@BeckertP
4 жыл бұрын
"Oblation is better than Mortify" *stares in card advantage*
@leress
4 жыл бұрын
I generally don't play cards that give my opponents card advantage unless I can shut that part off. Just like arcane denial or Scheming Symmetry with Ashiok dream render.
@judgementgaming3270
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! The only decks I'd run Oblation in are Mono White, Red/White, and maybe Blue/White. (Essentially when there are no better options. Especially after Mitch rattled off every good removal spell Orzhov gets, there's absolutely no way I'd run Oblation over Mortify!
@leress
4 жыл бұрын
@@judgementgaming3270 Generous Gift or Meteor Golem and Scour from Existence (though they are mana expensive) ,Cavalier of Dawn for mono white and there are other effects. But yes mortify over oblation.
@ivepesusic8792
4 жыл бұрын
Generous gift and oblation over mortify. Easier to cast and hits more targets.
@ivepesusic8792
4 жыл бұрын
@@leress in white????? Why would you play acour from existance???? That card is terrible. White have soo many good removal spells and you would play 7 mana exile target creature?!?!?! Also meteor golem sucks unless you can abuse him.
@gavinmauk9031
4 жыл бұрын
This channel has some cool videos, but this video really just highlights how Commander isn't Commander anymore. It used to be that you should run your favorite cards and it was also easy to play on a budget. This video is pretty condescending and isn't for casual players or players on a budget. Commander is still a diverse format even if we all run Solemn and Reliquary Tower.
@kevinluttrell1885
3 жыл бұрын
So basically: "Stop using crappy budget cards.." I mean.. Duh? I only watch your videos because I am poor and don't wanna spend a lot of money.. This kinda feels like a slap in the face tbh Still love the channel tho (:
@mr.batsquatch967
4 жыл бұрын
Dude, Mitch. Please stop the condescending "Okay!?" After every point.
@faerie7dragon
4 жыл бұрын
@@apophis456 He got really obnoxious since he started showing his face. I don't think it's gonna stop, okay!?
@andreusemanuel4868
4 жыл бұрын
It gets old really fast
@gutsbadguy50
4 жыл бұрын
The 'ok' thing is a normal tic for people who are not used to public speaking, I don't think hes doing it on purpose. He should go back to his previous style or try editing these down more. I'm sure he will eventually get better at the 'talk show' style of video, but his editing skills are great and shouldnt be neglected in a misguided effort to be the new command zone.
@soldancer
4 жыл бұрын
@@gutsbadguy50 I do like seeing his face in a time of such social disconnection, but I do feel like he's doing videos out of obligation to his viewers and not his passion for Commander, which ironically hurts his viewership.
@peterklein3354
4 жыл бұрын
Sry to say - never saw a vid from your where you were more off.
@nicolodipietrantonio566
4 жыл бұрын
As soon as he said llanowar elves and elvish mystic
@aaronwilliams7031
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed here. Most of this was a load of rubbish. Especially Solemn.
@plaxy1006
4 жыл бұрын
@@aaronwilliams7031 yah He's way wrong on solemn, at least the wrong focus, he's seeing solemn strictly as a ramp. instead of a value card. he's a 3 for 1 litterally Ramp, put a 2/2 body down and when it inetibly dies by being a good chump block draws you a card to replace him . also wrong about cantrips, are a bit like Evolving wilds and the new Fables land. these cards help thin your deck quickly and allow you to find the better stuff later by reducing the lands still in it.
@jqxok
4 жыл бұрын
@@nicolodipietrantonio566 Why would you want to play mana dorks when you can put land into play instead? I think for most decks, that is one of the recommendations I definitely agree with.
@C00kiesAplenty
4 жыл бұрын
@@jqxok Because mana dorks usually cost 1 mana. There are few ramp spells for 1 mana that put the land into play. They are also creatures so they can attack and block. And because they are creatures many decks get extra value from them.
@OUSTET
3 жыл бұрын
You’re right man why play reliquary when you could pay two for a less safe option that does the same thing
@Kurse_of_Kall
3 жыл бұрын
You will pry my reliquary tower from my cold dead hands.
@godspeedhero3671
3 жыл бұрын
Cold, dead, card-filled hands* FTFY
@ODIRGO
4 жыл бұрын
Is this channel getting bitter? and I guess I should stop playing Wayfairer's Bauble because is a 3 mana ramp, an Mitch says 3 mana ramp sucks.
@silentk59
4 жыл бұрын
If you played that weak card in my groups, you would get destroyed.
@gutierrezgeorge59
4 жыл бұрын
You can play it on turn one and tap it on turn 2 for a tapped land
@andreusemanuel4868
4 жыл бұрын
@@gutierrezgeorge59 it's 2 mana ramp only if you play it on turn one, how many "turn one"s you have vs other turns?
@PedanticTwit
4 жыл бұрын
Dorks: Play them, even if you prioritize land ramp. A T1 Llanowar Elf leads into a T2 CMC3 land ramp spell. Cantrips: Play them, even if you prioritize big draw. A T1 cantrip helps you find your land drops or mana rocks. A T5 cantrip helps you find a big draw spell. A T8 cantrip finds your combo piece. _Cantrips are never dead draws._
@seanedgar164
4 жыл бұрын
They only dig 1 deep tho, and they still use your mana. I'll run brainstorm to dig but very few others. Run a couple more tutors and ramp cards instead, since they're what you're really looking for. Or permanents that draw for you every turn more efficient in the long run
@Asmodeus555
4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, Running cantrips is almost always just better than not.
@PedanticTwit
4 жыл бұрын
@@seanedgar164 Ponder, Preordain, and Brainstorm all dig three cards deep. Ponder arguably goes more than three.
@MageMinionsOP
4 жыл бұрын
Cantrips are never dead draws. That's technically true. But outside a couple, cantrips, most aren't useful at doing anything and where edh decklists are almost ways very tight, you can't afford to give up significantly better cards. While can trips cycle your deck a bit, they're basically -1 card in your deck, which is not that helpful in edh. And there are better options. Plus, if you're playing casual, you don't need that high consistency and I competative, where you need high consistency, just run tutors and high efficiency draw.
@MageMinionsOP
4 жыл бұрын
And if you don't draw llanowar elves on turn 1, it's basically a dead draw lol. Mono green draw generally synergizes with big creatures and drawing land. So llanowar doesn't help in most cases. If you're running multicolor with good draw options, then it's a bit more ok, but just run birds of paradise. He's talking more about mono green running mono green dorks in non-dork spam big ramp creature based decks. And those are basically druids which are all dorks. Plus, what you're talking about would be more of a competitive situation where instead, turn 1 sol ring into turn 2 CMC4 ramp 2 forest into rampant growth is better in every way and basically just as likely as turn 1 dork. Plus, outside of 1 artifact that likely is safe, you get much more land. I play Nissa with no Mana dorks and I can ramp like crazy. Don't need 1 Mana dorks to scale fast. Then I just tutor eldrazi and call it a day. I ran llanowar elves for a while, but it never really helped. The few games I got it turn 1, it wasn't significant. Drawing it later, it got forgotten. Just better options imo.
@deathkitty23
3 жыл бұрын
The reason green/blue decks will run harmonize (either in addition to or over) some blue draws is because generally in green/blue decks you're generating more green mana than blue due to the use of mana dorks so you are more consistently able to/it would ideally be preferred to cast Harmonize and leave up blue mana for responses.
@t.milkman7780
4 жыл бұрын
There are sooooo many flaws in your logic man. I can have an extra mana turn 2, but you think I should wait till turn 3. The faster I have mana the faster I beat you. In a game where 1 turn could make all the difference, I think I'll stick with what I got. Every single one of your "complaints" were garbage. Sad robot does a ton for its 4 mana. Is it the best card in the world? Hell no, but it's good enough for casual play. Commanders orb is specific mana and a free card. Mind stone is colorless and pay for a card. No question which one I'd pick. You missed the mark on this by a LOT
@thevorhandener5280
4 жыл бұрын
Also mana dorks can ramp you into a harrow or kosmas reach on turn 2 so its ramp ramp, also as long as you cast a spell because you played the mana dork, or tapped it for more total mana over the game for more than its mana cost it's already worth it
@PrinceDman
4 жыл бұрын
Why would you want to play a 3 cost mana rock that is either worse or the same as many 2 costs??? How does that not make sense LOL
@Tabloodle
4 жыл бұрын
You took a removal spell that costs around 20 cents on tcgplayer and told players not to use it while recommending a 12 dollar and 5 dollar spell. You're a budget channel. Know your audience man.
@soldancer
4 жыл бұрын
In response, I cast Assassin's Trophy targeting you.
@Darksky1001able
4 жыл бұрын
Last i checked mana drain was priced at 50+ dollars at that.
@LC-pf8wn
4 жыл бұрын
@@Darksky1001able Mana drain right now is up to 155 on MTG Goldfish almost the same on TCGplayer lmao
@xxaquahazexxughtc2666
4 жыл бұрын
That's because he's no longer on a budget
@beerious8392
4 жыл бұрын
Get a job or stfu.
@tylerbean3510
4 жыл бұрын
U forgot the most overrated card of all time: wayfarers bauble
@justincarroll1836
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Not a great card unless you draw it turn 1
@jorgearteaga1814
4 жыл бұрын
I think its viable only in decks that dont run green or black
@justincarroll1836
4 жыл бұрын
@@jorgearteaga1814 I suppose but still, I'd consider the other options (including those he mentioned) before it.
@zeroisnine
4 жыл бұрын
@@justincarroll1836 i mean most ramp basically is only good then too, i.e. turn 2 ramp is "only" good if drawn by turn 2. So just one more card deeper, which is pretty minimal of a change. I don't think its overrated in that it isn't better than most ramp. But I do think the difference is overrated.
@DavidDMD1991
4 жыл бұрын
@@jorgearteaga1814 and green/black delerium.
@nicklittle8399
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else feel like Mitch was straight up staring into your soul throughout the entire video?
@ThePlipster
4 жыл бұрын
Who honestly think that putting card selection into a 100 card deck is a wasted card?? This video is a joke :/
@kenanpitman4826
4 жыл бұрын
it is a waste if you don’t have a senseis top or a fetch land that can then pitch away the things that you don’t need. brainstorm does help filter somewhat but then you have to draw through the two cards that you put away. so maybe you get an answer you need quickly but then you have to deal with the “baggage” of wasting two draws on the things you didn’t want in your hand
@ThePlipster
4 жыл бұрын
@@kenanpitman4826 There are plenty of ways to shuffle your deck in EDH if you really need to get rid of dead cards or whatever, but without the brainstorm those are still the same cards you would have been drawing; it's all upside. I've never been unhappy about starting a game or even drawing into brainstorm.
@nathanrhoades6504
4 жыл бұрын
@@kenanpitman4826 that is not accurate. Besides the obvious question why do you have baggage in your deck brainstorm is fantastic. 1 mana and instant to dig 3 in your deck often yields say a land and ramp card to get up to casting what you put back on top. A little later in game you can dig for those bombs and the game is over. Or as its blue pretty good odds you can find draw spells.
@pauljimerson8218
4 жыл бұрын
I think that most of these cards depends on the competitive level of the playgroup. Also, what is the casting cost of your commander and what is the staple card accomplishing in your deck?
@redwildrider
4 жыл бұрын
Hell, I play Reliquary Tower in nearly every deck I have because of the simple fact that every blue deck in my group runs Cyclonic Rift, and the worst feeling in the world is being the one guy without a Reliquary Tower... because the overloaded Rift will *always* be cast at the end of *your* turn, and you'll be the one player of four that gets completely sent to Hosetown.
@MageMinionsOP
4 жыл бұрын
@@redwildrider lol my group just banned cyclonic.
@kirklewis1557
4 жыл бұрын
“Ok?”
@JoeGab-en8fh
3 жыл бұрын
‘Number 1 elvish mystic.’ Mitch.... we need to talk...
@JakeMC521
4 жыл бұрын
My man can't get through a suggestion with out ending with "..okay?" God I hate that
@Fauna_CR
4 жыл бұрын
For a channel about playing commander on a budget, you seem to be really bashing Purtefy and Mortify waaay too much, especially considering how great thay are as budget alternatives.
@apjapki
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, so true.
@Seergun
4 жыл бұрын
I can accept the argument for putrefy, since status/statue exists as another budget option that one can argue is better, but mortify doesn't have a budget replacement yet(despark is close, but the 4+ cmc restriction is a bit too limiting imo)
@zeroisnine
4 жыл бұрын
What's annoying is that all the channels basically bash the same thing, which are generally cards that are included in the precons that people just leave in because they want to spend money on fun cards. Which is what commander is supposed to be about right? Sure, buying Necropotence instead of buying ramp/draw isn't the "correct" choice, but isn't that what "casual" players are against?
@ivepesusic8792
4 жыл бұрын
@@Seergun vindicate is 2 euros, utter end also very cheap
@thebirdwizard5947
4 жыл бұрын
@@zeroisnine this right here. Spending lots of money on lands and removal spells feels so bad compared to buying actual fun cards that do something more interesting than "be efficient"
@PainVMX
4 жыл бұрын
For every "stop playing this card" you simply suggested a much more expensive version of that card to take its place and it goes against everything you said before when making a budget EDH channel. And yes, i do agree with some things like harmonize, temple of the false god (wich is just trash printed on cardboard) and sometimes darksteel ingot, but for the rest of the cards they're just budget friendly options already, and for those "overrated" cards that you've mentioned, the word that you we're looking for is actually "staple". Also, someone needs to say this: there's no such thing as "social rule", that's just crap that whiny players made up to justify not using recursion for lands and/or other resourses they consider "untouchable". EVERY SINGLE COPY of my EDH decks has 'strip mine', 'ghost quarter' and sometimes 'tectonic edge' to deal with those coffers, urborgs, valakuts and other lands that are actually a pain in the ass. And yes, i know that all the things you just said "are just your opinion" and you're gonna abuse this argument whenever you can, so my comment is also "my opinion" for debate sake. (even though i can't record my face to add reactions of disgust and a condescending tone when i speak).
@Matthew-Fair
4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the fact that staples are staples for a reason. If these cards weren't effective or useful they wouldn't be staples, so clearly they work. And he says he doesn't play Darksteel because he wants fast mana and says don't play mana dorks the same exact video, THEN says he'd rather play a mana rock that comes in tapped instead of Command Sphere. My brain hurts
@radientdan86
4 жыл бұрын
@@Matthew-Fair The politics of running out a 3 mana rock, instead of a 2, telegraphs you could be less of a threat.
@Matthew-Fair
4 жыл бұрын
Not only that but if you play Mana Dorks, which he says to not do, you can have 3-4 drop rocks by turn 2. So I don't get what point he's trying to make...
@salvatorestabile5547
4 жыл бұрын
Temple of the False God is a great land
@damijankhebal8932
4 жыл бұрын
@@salvatorestabile5547 heavily depends on the deck. If your commander is 5 cmc or less it's not horrible but it doesn't do a lot for you.
@therealfriday13th
4 жыл бұрын
"inefficient mana rocks" When your deck is built to board wipe every five turns, that indestructibe is rather handy to have. And no, I am not exaggerating. I have a commander deck who mainly wipes the board in one way or another, and is ressurecting creatures when it isn't doing that. EDIT: I NEED Merciless Eviction now. For that deck.
@moyza_
4 жыл бұрын
I am thinking about build a Tariel commander with that strategy.
@onniraunio1839
3 жыл бұрын
Mitch: stop playing these cards Me: no, no I dont think I will
@kevinlewis1675
4 жыл бұрын
So, this is another video that feels weirdly cynical, ranty, and not like your heart is in it. Take a break Mitch, please. Consider some rest and some time focusing on weekly or monthly uploads. You’re talking down to budget cards on a budget channel man.
@Danund81
4 жыл бұрын
Taking a break from KZitem is not an option, sadly. Less videos means the algorithm decides they're in decline and suggests less of their videos to both subscribers and the general masses.
@spane81
4 жыл бұрын
@@Danund81 better than making vids like this. I don't even want to watch his content when it's like that. Shitting on some absolutly fine budget cards without any thought since there are a lots of situations where they are still viable or even better than the mentioned alternatives. I watch this channel for budget cards, i'm well aware about the good expensive cards. There are more than enough channels out there talking about them.
@josefranciscodasilvaeolive674
4 жыл бұрын
OP nailed it.
@julianhugen8760
4 жыл бұрын
With this I agree. Of course Mitch have a point in this topic, but the video was only a hook poor executed. He posted so many videos in the last feel weeks that I loosing interest in watch. Look this video, the title should be "stop playing these in everydeck", but even than he needed a more robust argu to show when play this card a 100%. You're a great person Mitch, but don't devalue your content for a bunch of clicks. And remember, budget deck techs was the thing that make your channel what it is today.
@oddjob4212
4 жыл бұрын
I can't help but feel some of his videos,like this one,are more of a rant about cards he doesn't like cause they are cards he faces against. I've heard him call a lot of staples "bad" just because people play them against him a lot and he loses to them.
@joranmoore5663
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch: "Don't play this mana rock that costs 3 and can sacrifice itself for free to draw a card. Use this mana rock that *still* costs 3 and a tap to sacrifice itself and draw a card. Or this mana rock that costs almost $300."
@JoeyjojoShabadoo7
4 жыл бұрын
Joran Moore - I’m with ya, but Mind stone only costs 2...which one were you referring to?
@emmettmccleary4946
4 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyjojoShabadoo7 mind stone costs 1 to tap and sac it, for a total of 3 mana
@peewee130946
4 жыл бұрын
Emmett McCleary that’s not how it’s works it’s cost 2 mana and then later in the game you might sack it to draw a card you don’t count the mana cost based on how much it cost to draw out of it
@JoeyjojoShabadoo7
4 жыл бұрын
I keep saying this in most of the comment threads; it’s really just situational. For example, in a mono or possibly dual color deck, Mind Stone is quicker/better. But in tri or more, I would never run a Mind Stone. Would rather have the any color ability. And if I REALLY just had to have that 2 drop, I’d even run at least something like Prismatic Lens.
@emmettmccleary4946
4 жыл бұрын
@@peewee130946 you're still spending three mana total - i absolutely do count that third mana. they're both pretty bad
@jakepetruolo1847
4 жыл бұрын
After watching this why do I feel like he has no idea what he's talking about? Don't use mana dorks to ramp early they aren't protected like land ramp which is much less efficient and usually has a higher cmc. Use these mana rocks that only at colorless don't use the ones that add color dudes a fool
@nonaG123
3 жыл бұрын
he didn't say not to use colored mana rocks just that you should get out of it at least half its cmc, the diamonds were given a greenlight there idk what you heard there
@xonerex7501
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that he placed brainstorm in the titlecard proves that he doesn't know what hes talking about
@garcardosotan6172
3 жыл бұрын
@@nonaG123 Dude. He put darksteel Ingot on the list. for 1 extra mana, I get pretty protected mana which gives me any color. He says Diamonds are okay... This guy clearly isn't any good at commander, cause anything coming in tapped isn't work something coming untapped for 1 more mana. It's silly.
@gunnermac3570
3 жыл бұрын
This is almost all bad advice.
@100legodude
3 жыл бұрын
Except for Temple of the False God. There is literally no reason to ever run Temple of the False God. It's unplayable trash.
@EagleAssassin55
4 жыл бұрын
These videos just seem to be getting saltier and saltier over his own pet peeves
@vauk5081
4 жыл бұрын
For real.
@jakx2ob
4 жыл бұрын
I mean he is right that those cards are overplayed. Doesn't mean they are unplayable. Some of them are good in some decks, not so good in others. The only thing I really don't buy is not playing Ponder and Preordain. Those cards seem good in most blue decks. He is right about brainstorm though, the brainstorm lock is real. edit: talking about decks with a solid blue share in the deck here, if the deck only has a light blue splash and doesn't have blue T1 consistently, the cantrips can be akward edit2: Mitch's decks tend to run tapped lands and t2 mana ramp is important, maybe under these conditions cantrips underperform.
@fuxca_
4 жыл бұрын
Gotta take into consideration some of these cards budgetwise, most players running commander sphere or darksteel ingot, sad bot for ramp and stuff alike cause that's the ramp they got in their precon, effective cards cost more, sadly
@jakx2ob
4 жыл бұрын
@@fuxca_ the signets are all very cheap and a lot better than the 3 mana rocks. Same for the talismans.
@fuxca_
4 жыл бұрын
@@jakx2ob We don't get them in a lot of precons tho
@Thomas-vn6cr
4 жыл бұрын
I disagree, "There are plenty of decks out there that can use it, but there are more decks out there that can't use it" is a brilliant way of putting it.
@NoBody-ro3xj
3 жыл бұрын
2:20 lands are safe... mmmm i would love to show you otherwise, also no one is going to wrath on turn 3 which casting dorks to cast your ramp is viable and faster. You don't need the dorks after that. I feel you fail to see how you think most of these are better options. Most of the cards you listed have worse or similar drawbacks. You don't even sound confident in your own choices.
@seryntheon8195
4 жыл бұрын
2nd Comment: ALSO, why are you asking people to stop playing budget? Putrefy and Mortify are budget ALLSTARS. Isn't this channel supposed to support playing budget? Tell people to stop playing Demonic tutor (like $34), and Cyclonic Rift (like $40). (Also you are just wrong about cantrips, cantrips are great, card selection for super cheap is fantastic. Are they ubiquitous in any blue deck? No. But they're damn good) [Who runs Cancel anyway? I've literally never seen anyone play it in Commander... Ever.] [Or the UG(x) Harmonise argument. Never seen anyone run it in blue decks. And who would?] Reliquary Tower is good in most decks that draw. Ya know. LIKE ANY BLUE OR BLACK DECK (2 of the best colours in Commander [barring Green]). Should it go in every Blue or Black deck? Nah. But its still a fantastic land (Also it just doesn't punish mono-decks. Its just good if you want it.) If you can't afford Tomb, False God is good enough as a replacement until you can get one. Is it good? Not the best. But its serviceable. Often times I put it in decks because the downside just doesn't apply to those decks, and the curve is pretty high (lots of ramp and its slow, so the downside and lack of colour isn't a downside).
@goldfeather2871
4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen anything this defensive since the Great Wall of China
@Valthoran90
4 жыл бұрын
And that didn't work either.
@marmics96
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody can stop me from my sad robot
@nathanfriedman7367
4 жыл бұрын
It does wonders in my Alesha deck
@docseamonster3491
4 жыл бұрын
First, it's land ramp for non-green decks. Second, it draws you a card when it dies so it's great to chump or sacrifice. Third, it's a creature so it's super easy to recur. Does it go in literally every deck? No. But there's plenty of decks that can exploit it for it's full potential.
@keegszzz8356
4 жыл бұрын
I have it non green decks and it’s in one of my favorite decks. A grixis reanimation deck, sad robot is a repeatable value engine that I can sac and recur over and over.
@ser_scrub5592
4 жыл бұрын
Decks with Artifact synergies and recursion love the Sad Robot. My Daretti deck makes him super fun because I pull so many Mountains out and draw more gas cards instead of lands. So i agree that Sad Robot is not always sad.
@zeroisnine
4 жыл бұрын
@@docseamonster3491 Agreed, while every deck doesn't exploit it, most decks could if they wanted to. It's Johnny's first combo card, not Spike's first value card.
@whirlwindsky
4 жыл бұрын
Reliquary Tower is one of my favorite lands to play. That said it definitely doesn't belong in every deck. There are only a handful of decks I think should play it. Like two color decks with black or blue can usually use it, most mono decks (as you said) then a few three color decks that have black or blue in them. Only two decks I use it in is Rakdos Showstopper demon tribal and Tuvasa enchantress, because they both draw tons of cards.
@bringthedarth
2 жыл бұрын
There are definitely specific decks that can directly benefit from Reliquary Tower, in them. However, an overlooked benefit from having no hand size limit can be in metas that cause tons of card draw and want you to discard. If it came into play tapped, that'd make me think more about it, but I find it a very useful card in my playgroup.
@quincyking010
4 жыл бұрын
I use reliquary tower as well as 3 artifacts and two creatures that let me have infinite hand size because my deck wants all the cards
@presenceofthemastermtg5962
4 жыл бұрын
statistically you're more likely to draw temple of the false god when it helps then when it hurts.
@JohnSmith-jw9tt
4 жыл бұрын
blaine cropper but when it hurts, it hurts a lot
@d-m-n
4 жыл бұрын
I personally don't like temple of the false god, but I think the trick is to think about it as a ramp spell that costs 4 mana but untaps your lands after casting (like a rewind) rather than a regular land.
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-jw9tt So does top-decking an Island. Ergo we shouldn't run Islands.
@lucasalbero7366
4 жыл бұрын
@@d-m-n 4 Put two wastes land tokens onto the battlefield. Untap 4 lands. Yep, seems good if you use it as a ramp and not as one of your ~37 lands
@presenceofthemastermtg5962
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor I didn't know you watched commanders quarters.
@orzhov12
4 жыл бұрын
Every other sentence seems to end with, "Okay"? He comes off as a know it all. I think it might be that he is just uncomfortable in front of the camera. At least I hope that's the case.
@4lukeification
4 жыл бұрын
"lands are protected" *looks over at armeggedon*
@seryntheon8195
4 жыл бұрын
Laughs in Ruination.
@Bsmall666
4 жыл бұрын
World slayer scoffs
@CptElder
4 жыл бұрын
Wake of Destruction harrumphs
@misterspaceman9563
4 жыл бұрын
*flashbacks to my friend's Gitrog deck with strip mine and land recursion*
@misterspaceman9563
4 жыл бұрын
Also flashbacks to my salty flash Braids Eldrazi sub tribal deck that would run recurrable Rift before swinging swinging with Annihilator 4+
@thevorhandener5280
4 жыл бұрын
According to mitch's meta."replace creature removal with board wipes" what is this man's meta
@plasnania
4 жыл бұрын
Between casual & optimized. In competitive, board wipes aren't useful because they cost too much mana, so targeted removal is more important. Whereas in non cedh environments, board wipes are much more useful and can change the way the game is going.
@krimsinskye
4 жыл бұрын
My META is also consistant on board wipes over creature/single removal spells. its rather infuriating and fun! lol
@marceloquejinho
4 жыл бұрын
15:15 a friend of mine plays cancel (M15 art) because he painted a middle finger in the guy and it is all giggles when he casts that
@slashtehflygon1722
4 жыл бұрын
My local card shop had a sleeve with googly-eyes for brainstorm
@SimpleVisionVideos
4 жыл бұрын
See, now that is an additional effect
@DrBell-gi7bf
4 жыл бұрын
That's clutch! 😂😂😂
@adambandurak8913
4 жыл бұрын
Jin-Gitaxis thinks too many people are playing reliquary tower too.
@Tylar245
3 жыл бұрын
I like your style
@mulldrifterz6469
4 жыл бұрын
We will stop playing these cards when you stop playing with Wayfarer's Bauble. Yeah, checkmate.
@domingolucas6651
4 жыл бұрын
Let's call this video: Cards that people treat as Auto Includes, but really aren't.
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