I work with parrots who bite very often for a wide variety of reasons and I handle their bites in a similar way to how you handle horses biting. You can't smack a tiny bird if it bites you, you can kill the bird doing that and smacking them would only make them terrified of you and want to bite you more. I use pinterest and there is one pin that pops up all the time for me titled "how to stop your horse from biting" and the image is a person harshly pinching the horses upper lip in between their fingers and it looks horribly painful for the horse, who has such a sensitive upper lip. Thank you for releasing videos that show people they don't have to harm their animals to not be bitten. I'm sorry you have to deal with other commenters who seem to think arguing without any sources and insulting your knowledge is a "rational discussion"
@essentialequinetraining9274
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment! I appreciate the support. It’s unfortunate that so many people still think the only solution to biting is a harsh correction.
@deborahluik8515
8 ай бұрын
I love the absent herd leader argument. I hadn't ever heard it before. Another angle of approach is always welcome when addressing those myths. Go ahead and postulate that there is a herd leader and then point out what a ridiculously atypical one you would be :-)
@roseault6335
8 ай бұрын
So distracted by what a beautiful horse that is!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, good advice.
@RoosLoveDieren
2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, thank you!
@maks427
3 жыл бұрын
amazing video!
@Rabbitzan
Жыл бұрын
Hitting is not a good idea on any animal. There are always other ways to get thier attention and curb thier behaviors. This is a great video, love it 💘
@essentialequinetraining9274
11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@samantharubio1861
3 жыл бұрын
Can you teach a horse to “ask” where an individual’s space bubble is? And if we are always working on generalizing other behaviors, does the animal become anxious when most behaviors generalize from human to human, situation to situation... but “space bubbles” do not?
@samantharubio1861
3 жыл бұрын
PS I was hoping 7min in I would turn into a horse ☹️
@essentialequinetraining9274
3 жыл бұрын
The best way to teach a horse to ask would be to consistently reinforce them at a certain distance from you when they approach, then invite them closer from there. They wouldn’t really be asking but would learn to stop at that distance and await further instruction.
@jobond3317
6 ай бұрын
Never had a problem with my horses biting me I had to hand feed a young horse and she never bit me
@bestofatlconcerts
Жыл бұрын
Horse biting and other behavioral problems all stem from the same root cause. Lack of Leadership from the handler. Until you effectively established yourself as the leader, the horse believes that you are the lower horse and biting, pushing, driving and ignoring is how horses treat other lower horses. How do you become a leader to your horse??.....GET TO THE FEET / Yielding Exercising / Leading Exercises / Clear Instructions. Be gentle but as firm as necessary when a correction is needed. That's how you become a leader for your horse. Once you establish yourself as the leader you will become the higher horse and, the biting and such will disappear.
@essentialequinetraining9274
Жыл бұрын
You can’t “leadership” your way out of ill fitting tack and ulcers. These old beliefs are unfounded and have been disproven time and time again. They also end up leading people to mistreat and misdiagnose their horses. Horses do not structure themselves in linear, top to bottom hierarchies, and even if they did, we are not horses. There is absolutely no research anywhere that backs up anything you just said.
@bestofatlconcerts
Жыл бұрын
@@essentialequinetraining9274 Do you ever observe horse behavior in a herd? If you do, you would see that horses absolutely have a very dynamic hierarchy. Of course we are not horses, however if you want to effectively communicate with them then you have to speak their language. Physical ailments aside, I have worked with numerous horses that once I improved my leadership the change in the horse was like night and day. Gentle leadership gets results. And it has nothing to do with abusing or dominating horses.
@essentialequinetraining9274
Жыл бұрын
@@bestofatlconcerts have you ever really stopped to think about leadership in a herd of horses and how that translates to the human/horse dynamic? In a herd of horses, whoever you think the leader is, how do they lead? What qualities do they espouse that makes them a good leader? How are you replicating that as a human who shows up for all of a few hours, a day, if even that? How exactly do you define leadership and how do you communicate that to the animal?
@bestofatlconcerts
Жыл бұрын
@@essentialequinetraining9274 This is turning into a debate of semantics which is not productive. Obviously, if your method works you should continue to use it. My overall point there are many methods that can achieve the desired outcomes you want with your horse. I have found that gentle leadership methods makes horses safer for humans and leave them in a great mental space.
@essentialequinetraining9274
Жыл бұрын
@@bestofatlconcerts lol, ok.
@MaryKDayPetrano
7 ай бұрын
You should have been able to do this by the first minute or so of your video. In that time, I haven't seen an effective response to a horse biting. I have a US National Championship title and I'm an Autistic horse / pony trainer. I'm going to do my own video on how to effectively stop a horse or pony from biting, and it doesn't mean hitting them in the face. You may want to watch it !
@essentialequinetraining9274
7 ай бұрын
This video was not a demonstration of how to stop a horse from biting. This video was an explanation of why horses bite, and what you should be considering before you make a plan to resolve the biting behavior. Neither being autistic, nor securing a US national championship title give you the right to come here and be rude.
@MaryKDayPetrano
6 ай бұрын
@@essentialequinetraining9274 That is TOTAL Autism discrimination and abuse to mis=interpret autistic traits as some sort of Neurotypical social "rudeness," whatever that means. I think you need an Autism-educational training before you go out of your way to hurt any other Autistic people. If you're going to out a video out there and claim to be an expert, you open yourself up to criticism from competitors who may have a better method. You are very defensive.
@elizabethgalipault8295
2 жыл бұрын
nice video i was bit badly today
@essentialequinetraining9274
2 жыл бұрын
Oh no! Are you ok? What happened?
@gerrycoleman7290
7 ай бұрын
The behavior needs to be corrected. Otherwise you are telling the horse that that behavior is acceptable.
@RossJacobs
3 жыл бұрын
Why is it that +r people teach their horses an addiction, then when the horse displays addiction behaviour they say "oh, I just haven't worked on his biting or pushiness yet"? By target training your horse you are training him to be addicted to treats and that creates the sort of anxiety your horse is displaying to satisfy his addiction. In good horsemanship there is no reason to hit a horse that bites, but there is also no reason to create one that bites.
@essentialequinetraining9274
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ross, do you know why I don’t go on your page and comment on your stuff? Because it’s very poor taste to publicly try and discredit other professionals. Can you please cite your resources for the statement you made that target training causes horses to become addicted to treats? I’ve trained many different species from zebras to foxes and I have never heard such a thing. I would be interested in reading the research behind that statement. Also, please clarify what you’re seeing in this video that indicates to you the horse is displaying anxiety. I’ve never done target training with this horse. In fact, I haven’t done any training at all with this horse and rarely have treats with me when I’m around her.
@RossJacobs
3 жыл бұрын
@@essentialequinetraining9274 from your opening paragraph I guess you don't believe that we trainers should have to explain or defend our views or methods and should be protected from scrutiny. What benefit does that serve horses and horse owners? If we are going to put it out there, we should be prepared to debate it rationally. Nobody should hide behind "professional courtesy." Secondly, you did target trainer your horse to become addicted to treats. It sounds like you did it inadvertently and without knowing you were doing this. But your horse's actions don't lie. His pushiness and his attempts to mug you for treats speaks volumes that he is an addict. In the video you kept rewarding him with treats when he mouthed, which keeps his addiction alive and proof that you are not aware you are doing it. He is like a slot machine gambler that knows if he keeps pulling that handle eventually there will be a pay off. But like a gambler, your horse exhibits considerable stress waiting for the payoff. You may not be aware that your horse is addicted to treats and of the anxiety this creates in him, but a horse's behaviour doesn't lie. You won't hear +r people talk about addiction training because it does not sit well with the cuddling rationale that people tell themselves when choosing to use +r. But it is nonetheless true. It turns horses into gamblers with the accompanying stress that gamblers experience waiting for the payoff. If you doubt my word, try training a horse that does not give a hoot about treats, with +r (eg. use a blade of grass from its paddock instead of grain or carrots or cookies, etc as the reward). It doesn't work after the initial novelty wears off. I've done the experiment with a couple of dozen horses who were their own control group, ie I trained 10 with sweet grain first and 15 with grass first. Then I swapped and used grass as the treat on the horses trained with sweet grain and sweet grain on the horses trained with grass. In brief, +r training was ineffective when grass was used as the treat, but the horses didn't get stressed. Whereas when sweet grain was used as the reward anxiety levels sky rocketed and the horses so signs of greater pushiness and desperately searched for what they needed to do to get the reward. Classic signs of addiction. Lastly, all +r training relies on some level of addiction (and the resulting stress when the reward is withheld) to shape behaviour. Nobody in the +r world will agree with that, but it is no less true and so obvious to those that take an objective perspective.
@essentialequinetraining9274
3 жыл бұрын
Ross, the horse is female. The horse is not mine. I have never done any training with this horse and I can only assume by your comment that you don’t actually know what target training is. This is the most interaction I’ve ever had with this horse. She left me and my treats numerous times throughout the video and was even spitting out the treats and went back to her hay towards the end. Not exactly the signs of an addict. The horse is pushy and mugging me because that is normal behavior all animals (even people) will perform when they are trying to get something they want. It doesn’t automatically mean they’re addicted to whatever that is. I ask you again to please cite your resources to back your claim that target training creates addiction and clarify what you’re seeing that indicates this horse is displaying anxiety. I’d also like to know what exactly your definition of addiction is because wanting something and being addicted to something are two very different things. And just so you know, I rarely use treats when training, preferring to use hay or hay pellets instead. These work quite well for training most equids.
@RossJacobs
3 жыл бұрын
@@essentialequinetraining9274 I have no formal studies to cite regarding addiction in +r. I just have anecdotal evidence from 100s of horses. I doubt there have been any studies regarding this because (i) most behaviourists are not equiped to notice anything but the most obvious indicators of anxiety in horses (eg, you are not aware of it in the mare used in the video); and (ii) people interested in +r would not be interested in any study examining potential problems with +r training in horses. Nevertheless, as I said previously, horses don't lie. Would you like me to list examples from your video of indicators or stress? Let me know because I'm happy to do it when I get more time later this evening. My definition: emotional addiction is the emotional investment in an outcome that evokes extreme repeated behaviour resulting from emotional distress when the outcome is denied. Eg, withholding of a treat causes a horse to search desperately and urgently for the behaviour that will result in receiving a treat. Target training teaches a horse that desired behaviours result in reward. It trains a horse to become emotionally addicted to that reward. Without target training (even inadvertent) and without addiction, it doesn't work. Again, consider gambling addiction to slot machines - it's very similar to +r in horses. I struggle to understand why this is not obvious. If you explain to me what is blocking you from seeing this, I will do my best to clear it up.
@essentialequinetraining9274
3 жыл бұрын
I’m going to have to end this conversation here. You can’t just make up your own definition for addiction or your own completely biased anecdotal evidence and try to pass them off as facts. I am well aware of everything that is going on in this video and was only asking you what you felt indicated anxiety to better understand your point of view. You are wrong about both behaviorists and people interested in R+. True behaviorists (the ones with college degrees) are trained specifically to notice every minute indicator possible of anxiety. Trainers who use R+ are constantly continuing their education and yes, we pass around all of the research that examines potential problems with R+ training so that we can find solutions to those potential problems and improve our skills. Target training teaches an animal to touch a certain body part to a certain target. The behavior results in a reward. This strengthens the behavior in the same way that the behavior of pushing a button on your microwave has been strengthened by the resulting hot food that you get from it. It doesn’t mean that you’re addicted to the food. Please don’t comment anymore on my content.
@gerrycoleman7290
2 жыл бұрын
If a horse puts his teeth on me, that is it............immediately he needs to be corrected by making him work and feel uncomfortable. He needs to realize that is absolutely not allowed. The horse bites because he was taught to bite. It would be totally my fault.
@essentialequinetraining9274
2 жыл бұрын
As clearly stated in the video, there are other ways to resolve biting behaviors.
@sallypenno164
7 ай бұрын
By the time the horse has bitten you your already too late, the behaviour has happened and you've missed all the signals leasing uo to it.
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