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@CB-mr1ci
3 ай бұрын
That’s a huge overlook idk how he didn’t realise it
@Mattlife97
3 ай бұрын
Video title specifies STRAND titan ya melon. It’s like you’re responding to an argument that wasn’t made 😂
@glacie3001
3 ай бұрын
@@Mattlife97 That’s the problem. At around 1:55 he talks about pairing inmost light with syntho together, which is fine on its own cause you’d just assume he means on Prismatic, but then he mentions for getting your grapple back like 15 seconds later which you can’t get on Prismatic Titan
@TMcSauce
3 ай бұрын
@Mattlife97 yea. And Ehroar talks about using the exotic class item on Strand Titan. Which doesn't work. You melon.
@dookgaming627
3 ай бұрын
@@CB-mr1ciit's not a huge overlook when prismatic frenzied blade melee (without woven mail or banner of war) still does more damage than wishful exotic melee damage.
@beelzebruh8955
3 ай бұрын
Cant wait for the synthos nerf next week followed by the liars handshake buff
@elchancho8432
3 ай бұрын
We can only wish.
@BADASS668
3 ай бұрын
Why would syntho get another nerf
@E.F.W.
3 ай бұрын
@@BADASS668because they’re still good. And fun-ish.
@jackalexande
3 ай бұрын
@@BADASS668 because prismatic hunter is broken
@RunningWild32
3 ай бұрын
I play all 3 subclasses. Last year, stasis Titans dominated PvE and arc Titans dominated PvP. It took a very long time before a nerf occurred. Stop complaining when other subclass builds are currently better than one you use. Try other subclasses. It’s free to do so
@AAce_87
3 ай бұрын
Pris titan wishes it was as good as strand titan. Banner and into the fray is just way too good of a combo for a melee build
@DerdOn0ner
3 ай бұрын
Pretty much that
@kevin40595
3 ай бұрын
Chad Strand Titan vs. Virgin Primatic Titan
@wrizzard6386
2 ай бұрын
except when you realize that prismatic titan is literally soloing raid bosses......
@TheChocobo93
2 ай бұрын
Please drop a link below to the build of titan prismatic that solos raid bosses@@wrizzard6386
@oweeb5909
2 ай бұрын
@@wrizzard6386except when you realize you can solo raid bosses on any subclass....
@DarkSaitama
3 ай бұрын
10:02 Not gonna lie when he said "comparing it to Prismatic hunter is not even fair" that hurt my Titan pride more than it should have 😂 you gotta love how bungie nerfs strand Titan just to drop Prismatic hunter been better on all ways.
@patricksullivan9713
3 ай бұрын
and whats worse is they gave hunters synthocepts
@trankhoa5248
3 ай бұрын
I just go to the gym to let out all the bullshit Bungie do to us Titan. And comeback to teach my Hunter friend how to be a titan with a syntho mind-set
@Bonesmx11
3 ай бұрын
You guys had strand titan for a year, I bet hunters will get nerfed to the ground, at least that punchy build along with stompies in around a week or so
@trankhoa5248
3 ай бұрын
@@Bonesmx11 we'll see. This time, it's more complicated for bungie to neft this hunter build
@Bonesmx11
3 ай бұрын
@@trankhoa5248 that is true we’ll have to see but I have a feeling it’ll either be a killer nerf or barely a scratch with no in between
@Lamp37820
3 ай бұрын
Hey titans, here is a new punch exotic. Don't worry, we made sure it was inferior to synthos in almost any situation. You're welcome.
@XxDeathxX509
3 ай бұрын
Oh and by the way, syntho, the better punching exotic, now works with warlocks and hunters. Have fun catching up 🫠
@Harrison-zc3hu
3 ай бұрын
But you can have a 4th consecration😂😂
@shiddygaymer
3 ай бұрын
Holy fuck bungie is so goofy they should just remove all brain dead "neutral gameplay" exotics it's clear they can't co exist with exotics that actually do something besides show up
@SpliffyHusk
3 ай бұрын
It’s actually a solid exotic for when you aren’t surrounded, you have higher melee uptime too.
@pencilswordfish
2 ай бұрын
It's hard to improve upon perfection~ - Mr. Synthos
@Yutoferrer1
3 ай бұрын
They nerf 1-2 punch a while a go to not proc on 2 melee.
@NOAH-oq3xb
3 ай бұрын
Who gon tell em
@heroicxidiot
3 ай бұрын
I feel like people are missing the point of the new exotic. It's for team play. Be around your fireteam, get a ton of melee energy back, keep spamming melee. Syntho is still good if you just want a solo build. I still like Wishful Ignorance, I do wish they buffed the damage a bit more but is overall fine.
@DRB13
3 ай бұрын
You can still solo with this, but buildcraft matters. It's literally glued to my titan. I haven't really used synth since.
@maxxorb6515
3 ай бұрын
Invest in melee mods or use monte carlo, this exotic is a waste of everything.
@heroicxidiot
3 ай бұрын
@@maxxorb6515 no
@DRB13
3 ай бұрын
@maxxorb6515 you really don't need monte. Pugilist perk and expanded melee charge. There's many ways to spam this crap and heal.
@improvised1410
3 ай бұрын
Trash exotic, you are better off using synthos even playing in a group.
@SuperbExistence
3 ай бұрын
Im liking the flechette melee in grouo content. It can be spammed, and you're constantly healing your friends . That, in combination with the new healing gun, i feel like a healer
@SSD_Penumbra
3 ай бұрын
Flechette is amazing, but another alternative is using Into The Fray to give your allies healing AND woven mail, and every time you get Woven Mail, your melee gets energy. It stacks with Wishfuls so you get your charges back VERY quickly.
@Brzbrngr
3 ай бұрын
You went over flechette storm but didn't seem to clock that the one instance where these Wishful Ignorance are clearly better than Synthoceps would be specifically for Flechette Storm. The whole point of Flechette is that it turns your powered melee charges into very quick ranged projectile attacks, rather than a traditional close-quarters melee. When Flechette is used at a range, as intended, Synthoceps does nothing for Flechette. So what's really the point of Wishful Ignorance (other than getting your melee charges back very quick) is that you can now throw out 4 projectiles in a row, at a PRETTY DECENT range, with just -15% less damage than Syntho. Which is an interesting trade-off worth exploring. Prior to Wishful ignorance you coldn't properly buff Flechette, outside of the 40% melee damage increase from Banner.
@thegecko1742
3 ай бұрын
Would be interested to see this with a full team of wishful. Theoretically you'd get 50% per pulse. At x4 could you basically just spam for 24s?
@riothegod5750
3 ай бұрын
Wormgod buffs flechette brother
@Brzbrngr
3 ай бұрын
@@riothegod5750 ahh that's a good point my bro. could be worth exploring if that's more effective than wishful for flechette. if a volley of 3x flechette with wormgod does more damage than volley of 4x flechette with wishful. im thinking wormgod would do more damage. but wishful does give melee back. it's a good shout nonetheless!
@wintereclipse3263
3 ай бұрын
@@Brzbrngr Syntho is 150% boost while Wormgod max stacks is 275%. It'd definitely win in power plus you get a 30% boost to all weapons and unlike before it's pretty easy to keep the stacks especially stack 3 and below which is 165%
@MeowMita
3 ай бұрын
I think the one use case for the new Wishful exotic is for situations where you are unable to proc synthos (IE melee target where you aren't surrounded by enemies.
@jimmcmeen761
3 ай бұрын
That is a very seldom situation these days
@jasonhughes9916
3 ай бұрын
Or any situation where you have enough allies to pull off multiple four melee combos in a single phase. The second you do a second full combo in a given phase vs the single full combo synthos would be able to achieve, this exotic will suprass synthos. And what about a Raid? Does the exotic charge your melee even as you are actively using Flechette storm? With A flechette storm volley costing only 50% melee, couldn't you just keep throwing volleys for an entire phase if you space your throws well?
@smtnbad
3 ай бұрын
@@jasonhughes9916infinite flechette storm in excision? Gotta test it out lol
@elegy8187
3 ай бұрын
@@jimmcmeen761 True but there are times that it does. The 2nd boss in Salvations Edge doesn’t let you proc surrounded
@trkrownn
3 ай бұрын
u do realize the exotic class items dont work outside of prismatic right?
@Entomogamous
3 ай бұрын
It doesn't have to always be about damage.
@cadeptt
3 ай бұрын
Okay, but in this case it is. The new exotic talks about making the ability damage stack after back to back uses. But why both with that when Syntho doesn;t need to stack AND does as much as a stacked version anyway?
@Entomogamous
3 ай бұрын
@@cadeptt In a perfect world, damage would be the only worry.
@rayne217
3 ай бұрын
@@cadeptt It isn't. Damage isn't the main point of the exotic, it's the infinite loop of melee energy that you get from playing with teammates, the damage is there to compliment the extra melee and energy along with incentivizing using flachette storm, which in 99% of real scenarios, you wouldn't have syntho buff to begin with.
@hatchell18
3 ай бұрын
@@cadepttbro this buffs fletchette storm too at range which synthos doesnt while giving you an extra melee and fletchette storm charge. It makes fletchette storm actually good and worth using. Pair that with the massive melee regen while still getting a very big damage buff to your other melees even if it’s less then synthos, all at the same time is very good.
@hatchell18
3 ай бұрын
@@cadepttsynthos doesn’t give you an extra melee charge, doesn’t buff flethette storm, and has 0 melee regen abilities at all. This also doesn’t require multiple enemies to be nearby it buffs all your damage no matter what. You get way more melee spam with this than synthos also. There’s plenty of reasons to use this over synthos.
@samgus2000
2 ай бұрын
You can prok the first stack of wishful ignorance with the upper cut attack.
@ianmclellan7289
3 ай бұрын
The main benefit I see for wishful is being able to have farily comparable damage without being surrounded, especially on bosses like herald in the raid where you can use it with tractor to still do decent damage
@killianred1636
2 ай бұрын
The obvious answer is to nerf synthoceps into the dirt.
@Kitsune9967
2 ай бұрын
It even SPECIFICALLY states ON the class item that it ONLY works on PRISMATIC
@benstanfill363
3 ай бұрын
"damage less, exotic bad" except you have range, you can easily flood the field with unraveling, constantly have banner of war up, and still pump out a ton of damage, but sure, the exotics bad. Lol. Edit: also love the "synthos can kill a champion in one hit" Ya if there's adds around or you get to and stun it within 5 seconds. Synthos should absolutely do more damage than these because these have much more utility than synthos. Synthos do one thing and they should be the best at it.
@Metarortiz
3 ай бұрын
Tell that to every class that now has access to synthos x.x
@luvergod69
3 ай бұрын
It's absolutely embarrassing that they nerf Titan melee then give us an exotic that supposed to be a melee exotic.
@XxDeathxX509
3 ай бұрын
Prismatic titan is inferior to strand titan rn, and thats 100% a fact. Hopefully they’ll buff them
@DerdOn0ner
3 ай бұрын
I wonder how he's gonna make the exotic class item work on Strand 🧐 They should also have called the new gloves "Wishful Thinking", just to really rub it in how shit titan is 🤣
@Duke_Exeter
2 ай бұрын
One advantage of Wishful Ignorance is that you don't need to have any ads around during boss damage to get the melee bonus. If you can't get your team to stop ad clearing, then Wishful will give you better damage than Synthos.
@keybored5088
3 ай бұрын
In my opinion it's pretty decent balancing of Wishful and Syntho's. One straight up gives you more damage, but the other provides a lot more uptime. So you can choose which you prefer and one will be better in certain scenarios than the other.
@greewm04
3 ай бұрын
I think these were more designed to be used with flechette storm plus if you notice you get times 3 with the first melee so you actually take advantage of the full buff for longer
@hatchell18
3 ай бұрын
They are bro. Synthos doesn’t buff fletchette storm unless you’re right in the enemies face and surrounded. Fletchette Storm is meant to be used at mid to long range as a way to spam melee attacks and unravel shit though, so using it with synthos sucks. This new exotic can buff the damage on it at any range. It also lets you spam it wayyy more due to the extra melee charge and the massive melee regen it gives you. Fletchette Storm on Synthos sucks. On this new exotic it’s actually really good and worth using finally.
@JaigarSecond
3 ай бұрын
Titan main my whole life, but prismatic titan is so bad it’s crazy, everything we have is nerfed bad, Warlock and Hunter is just so much stronger, better and more fun rn
@bratanbanana4843
3 ай бұрын
did you even try prismatic titan? having 3 consencration slams is insanly good, combined with the suppression grenade or the shackle and the fragment which makes you deal more dmg against targets afflicted with darkness debuffs and aditionally to that, having knockout is really good
@SSD_Penumbra
3 ай бұрын
@@bratanbanana4843 Lemme stop you right there chief. Consecration is the issue. That and knockout are our only good fragments. Everything else is trash.
@b0ld651
3 ай бұрын
I really cant think of a use case for wishful ignorance lol
@ZsFather
3 ай бұрын
whats that chest piece that has the arms coming out? dont see it anywhere
@butterbauch6110
3 ай бұрын
Halloween spider armor
@axelkusanagi4139
3 ай бұрын
I don't use into the fray. I use flechette storm and do about as much damage as a blade barrage.
@VenomPureEvil
3 ай бұрын
When prismatic was announced i was hoping to get a star-eater syntho combo and boy was i disappointed.
@retroretro8467
3 ай бұрын
One thing that's good about the new exotic is that uptime on charged melee abilities since the Titan melee severs targets. The downside is that lowering the damage output by 40% only matters when you can't insta-nuke the target.
@rayne217
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, which is in content you wouldn't/shouldn't realistically be using sythos to begin with. People like seeing big number and never consider ACTUAL situations. People thought this with chaos reach when forsaken dropped... And nobody cared and just used WoR. Unfortunately with now, nothing has been good for titans except for synthos/pyrogale/cuirass. I genuinely believe people just don't want new gear to replace their old gear or put time into putting effort to make a build with said new gear.
@RevTheoryWPG
3 ай бұрын
Bungie nerfs titans out of the game then give hunters all the melee synergies. Good job bungie
@E.F.W.
3 ай бұрын
Man. These are definitely fun and different to use, but it’s really neat being overshadowed at the only thing we’re good at. 😐 I’m not saying they should be a copy paste of the Synthoceps damage, but we could use a little more lol
@noahedenborg4221
3 ай бұрын
ok who made the spider into a guardian lol
@Slaheir
3 ай бұрын
You are forgetting you need to be surrounded for synthos to work whereas the new arms doesn’t require that same functionality to proc the dmg. A measly 9% less dmg without having to be surrounded and i get melee energy back constantly? I will take it for sure
@SSD_Penumbra
3 ай бұрын
+ healing allies + more options for ranged melee
@johnnynicholls1043
3 ай бұрын
Only problem is Titan needs a lot more skill to do the best dps and other 2 classes are free. And the risk reward in endgame content is not great with any melee build. Titans are fundamentally a flawed design as a melee class isn't for endgame period.
@butterbauch6110
3 ай бұрын
but for that matter a lot more crowd control, especially in gms and actually hard content and actually good boss damage now on prismatic, same goes for warlocks now, previously both were heavily weapon damage focused during dps but now it's more like hunter where abilities are prioritized
@nicholasbrown6732
3 ай бұрын
Ehroar, Please test out the changes to bastion. I see it has the same damage increase as one-two punch, But it looks like you can get multiple melees off with it unlike one-two punch. and the damage increase to bastion after a melee seems to be quite noticeable. But Idk if the simple one-two punch -> punch combo is possibly worse than something like Bastion -> melee melee -> bastion repeat Edit: the buff is removed after your first melee just like 0ne-two punch
@SSD_Penumbra
3 ай бұрын
The buff to Bastion's charge time isn't though. Its an interesting loop between punch > shoot for damage > etc.
@yourbrojohno
3 ай бұрын
60% melee energy back per tick. Think about a boss like crota or herald or even nezzerac. These situations synthos are not viable aside from crota. But you can compine this with a OTP shotty and say a heavy sword for a shotgun melee heavy attack rotation. This has a much shorter animation than grapple and so you are only limited by the 2 second melee recharge. Pairing this with something like acrius would probably be best and then even in a dungeon with 30% back per tick you would still wipe the floor. The regen is what you should be talking about and you didn't even test how many melees you can fit in 10seconds vs synthos. I guess you primarily play titan in GMs, but for raids and dungeons strand titan has always been the solo strategy, this gives it the ability to greatly benefit from teamplay.
@aFragDowN
3 ай бұрын
No Dim links for the builds😢
@drfeelgood321
3 ай бұрын
THIS IS NOT A DPS EXOTIC for those of you that can't figure this out its for sustainable healing
@Lolbsterbiscuit
2 ай бұрын
You can use flachette with synthos and get sustainable healing? You only need one melee kill (easily done with a single, unbuffed flachette storm volley) and then ally kills will charge banner of war for you. This does nothing to create sustainable healing over synthos
@guineapig9171
3 ай бұрын
I feel like this exotic should of buff Banner of War making it stack to like 8x and increasing the timer along side the ability regan
@andersbylund2753
3 ай бұрын
Well for synthos you need to be surronded, is it maybe worth useing wishful on a boss if you arent surronded or is it better to just use something completly different at that point? Also does wishful work on the super?
@Lolbsterbiscuit
2 ай бұрын
There are very few boss fights in most content where you aren’t surrounded and want to use your melee. One good example is final boss of warlord’s. Technically, for the extended damage phase, wishful will give you more damage…but you should just be using heavy against that boss anyway. Heavy dps will still do more damage than wishful spam. Wishful does NOT work with super, synthos does. That’s another L for this exotic.
@eoIoIe
3 ай бұрын
is x3 the max tho, what if u have 6 of them and u can get ur melee fast enough to keep the chain going.
@roberthopkins3923
3 ай бұрын
What appearance amour is that?
@BIayde
3 ай бұрын
Wishful ignorance all day! Ahamkara gauntlets look so damn good. Plus strand Titan is still goated.
@45Thawk
3 ай бұрын
What melee config do i need to get an auto melee to occur while having the strand melee equipped?
@SSD_Penumbra
3 ай бұрын
Full-Auto Melee: On. Its in the settings.
@Ztram2
3 ай бұрын
Wait what are the claws over his shoulders???
@butterbauch6110
3 ай бұрын
Halloween spider armor
@C-A_Fi
3 ай бұрын
Wishful seems like Bungie's attempt to feed more into the constant uptime slaying capabilities of Berserker Titan, but like you said, you're basically just using melee charges because you have too many. Maybe these would be useful for ammo conservation then swapping to synthos for dps, but the only time you'd need to be doing that is in high end content where synthos are needed for champs and high health enemies. Low end exotic for low tier content unfortunately.
@kianbehmanesh7775
3 ай бұрын
They nerfed our best exotic, then released a new one that is twice as weak as post nerf synthos 😂 thx bungo
@cadeptt
3 ай бұрын
Does spirit of inmost light not give ability damage like the main exotic?
@goldmeistergeneral
3 ай бұрын
They do but it works once, then you have to cycle class ability and grenade to get the melee damage boost back, if you are spamming melees it only works for the first hit I think
@mr.6934
3 ай бұрын
Yeah now try this on all the raid bosses that are not beatable by melee. Furthermore try to survive in raids where you can not move from a point while in the damage phase.
@omaransari3555
3 ай бұрын
Anyone know what chest piece he’s using ? Looks dope
@SSD_Penumbra
3 ай бұрын
Last years Halloween Titan one. Crawling Chaos.
@perooo8526
3 ай бұрын
If you want damage, sure go for Synto, but the gameplay loop of wishfull is more fun. You can procc banner of war with your flechette storm, get unraveling rounds, slay a little bit with your pugilist immenence or breachlight and spam flechette storm over and over. Its such a nice mix of gunplay and ability spam. Not to mention, the gauntlets look incredibly stylisch. And the build gets only better in a fireteam
@tiny_fantastic
3 ай бұрын
Bungie changed one two punch to not allow double melees
@bojaylabrum9608
3 ай бұрын
Prismatic Titan sucks. Im going back to BoW.
@corujariousa
3 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! DIM link? 🙂
@arachbae4777
3 ай бұрын
WHAT ARE THOSE SPIKES THOUGH??? CAN I GET THOSE?
@AyyItsFox
3 ай бұрын
Banner of War Strand Titan Gets Boring
@Wesker236
3 ай бұрын
Now watch bungie nerf the crap out hunter midsts buffing titan and hunters will cry and the circle repeating itself over and over again
@TheJaga
3 ай бұрын
syntho is also better because it gives more damage for the berserker super
@thelrproject257
3 ай бұрын
Only way to bring prismatic titan back up is give it throwing hammer so it can be paired with exotic class item using both synthos and severance
@SSD_Penumbra
3 ай бұрын
Nope. Change from Drengr's Lash to Banner of War and Consecration to Hammer of Sol.
@domn8_u569
3 ай бұрын
Well I think we are all coming to grips with Titan is not the class to use in Destiny 2 at this moment in time. We are being punished for last seasons shenanigans!
@HumairaAhamed-u4h
18 күн бұрын
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@CrazyByDefault
3 ай бұрын
hey man, love your stuff, but you threw away the new exotic without even giving it a damn chance. criticisms as follows - 0. Exotic class items only work on prismatic? 1. No prismatic testing - you stated that the buff lingers for 2.5s after any melee. Popping transcendence refunds 2 melee charges, which should either allow you to go above the Talonsx3, or atleast give you 2 more melees at max stacks, which would put it above synthos for single-target damage (on prismatic builds) 2. No prismatic testing part 2 - this gives you flat out one extra charge on frenzied blade. That's +1 consecration charge. Not even mentioned. 3. The existence of pugilist does not make this exotic worse. The opportunity cost of a left column perk vs this exotic varies from build to build. You cannot declare, in a vacuum, that "Pugilist exists hence this Exotic is not as good". If you want to use the support auto, or a glaive, or double special, the melee regen and extra melee charge given for free can be quite nice. 4. No testing in a team setting - Does the melee refund get better with more allies in your Banner? Does the melee refund stack with Transcendence's energy gains? That would make this a much more consistent and potent option for something like Crota and Rathil DPS, over synthos, where being surrounded is not always guaranteed. I understand that the video starts off as a "strand titan update", but it quickly devolves into "wishful ignorance review" territory. If this was meant to be a "strand titan update", it does not fully talk about the nerfs that strand titan was hit with, the impact of those changes, or how prismatic Titan fares with strand super and melee compared to Strand as a subclass. If this was meant to be a "Wishful Ignorance review", all the things mentioned above would be great to cover, and were genuinely questions to which I thought you would provide answers for in this video. Not hating, I know the content has had to flow fast, but knowing how dominant Strand Titan can be, I believe you did not give this exotic its fair share of testing.
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@jabberbox
3 ай бұрын
keep spittin, ehroar
@Th4tOn36uy
3 ай бұрын
That’s disappointing, i thought it would be like a suped-up version of worms-gods
@fkbuki
3 ай бұрын
...do you not know how to pronounce "flechette"? Is that why you won't say it 😅
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10 күн бұрын
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@teslacoil4409
3 ай бұрын
Wormgod > synthos Exotic class item doesnt work on strand Maybe do some actual testing rather than spewing garbage daily
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12 күн бұрын
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10 күн бұрын
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13 күн бұрын
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@loganmorris2793
3 ай бұрын
can you still get another charge with prismatic? Im thinking like 4 consecration charges
@keagcrafter5697
3 ай бұрын
Yes you can if u have the gauntlets on
@MaryPTY
3 ай бұрын
Yeah that's what I've been using them for tbh
@pepjacklent
3 ай бұрын
Strand Titan still the best class in the game imo. Hunters are best DPS but the healing from banner of war as well as the ability to keep it going with any weapon or ability kill is too OP
@idiezsaucedo
3 ай бұрын
This is so dumb 😂
@CHEA7CODE
3 ай бұрын
This exotic sucks
@TheRapeVictim
2 ай бұрын
What chest and head piece is he wearing? Also how did he get
@randommixedletters
3 ай бұрын
Overall these exotics just fail in basically every way. They are arms, so comparing them directly to syntho is a no brainer. They do worse in every category, and they don't even help you do good super damage or make Flechetts good because they don't stack past x3. It's just an overall completely failure of design and I don't understand the point of them even being made. Cause while yes, making them do more damage would be cool, then it's like 'why did you make just better syntho for strand titan?!?', like you JUST nerfed Syntho why make this?!? I will say an idea that a friend and I came up with while grinding Duality to still not get a inmost light/star eaters class item for my warlock (fu%$# these pieces of garbage I swear to gods-) was actually giving this exotic an interesting gameplay flavor. Make it so that on hit, your melee's spawn threadlings at the targets location, stacking with the number of hits. So first one, then two, then max of 3 as you just pelt them with melees. It would give the titan a threadling fantasy (of which they currently sourly lack) while also making Flechettes actually matter, being able to spam it from range and just fill the world with threadlings. That sounds actually fun and like an actually unique gameplay style for strand titan, and makes these exotics actually do something. But, likely never to happen despite the new raid exotic showing they have the technology, but it's a cool idea I think!
@x9x9x9x9x9
3 ай бұрын
Strand titans nerf was not strong enough. I am saying this as a titan main. I wish that nerf had been harder because it makes prismatic titan feel terrible. Dont get me wrong I think prismatic titan is the worst of the 3 but strand being so strong makes it feel even worse.
@Jj-xh3cy
3 ай бұрын
Prismatic titan is horrible in general even if they did nerf banner more
@elijahwhite789
3 ай бұрын
What even is this logic lmao
@x9x9x9x9x9
3 ай бұрын
@@elijahwhite789 Comparison? It makes sense to me obviously.
@Jj-xh3cy
3 ай бұрын
@@x9x9x9x9x9 strand by far is still my favorite super.the survival and huge melee dmg ain’t nun gonna take me off it
@x9x9x9x9x9
3 ай бұрын
@@Jj-xh3cy I don't disagree it's easily the best subclass in the game but because it's so strong it makes prismatic just feel awful. Personally I'm kinda tired of playing strand titan. I am not saying I want more strand titan nerfs. At this point I just want prismatic buffs. They can nerf strand again once prismatic feels good. Hopefully this makes sense.
@maxxorb6515
3 ай бұрын
Holy, wishful is garbage.
@mattyv4381
3 ай бұрын
The exotic class items do not work outside prismatic.
@snomel7276
3 ай бұрын
they do now
@legendgamer45
3 ай бұрын
@@snomel7276 Wait fr?
@alphasyncz1051
3 ай бұрын
@@snomel7276 me when i spread misinformation
@MeatObelisk
3 ай бұрын
@@legendgamer45no
@popeshopes9973
3 ай бұрын
S Tier is just a lie.
@rufiorufioo
3 ай бұрын
Hmmm... But we want a beast mode prismatic Titan build... this is the problem!
@LuciferMoringstar999
3 ай бұрын
Plunderthabooty he's made like 2 or 3
@oryx9100
3 ай бұрын
@@LuciferMoringstar999 main problem is that it's only consecration
@dionicius03
3 ай бұрын
wormgod, kelgorath glaive with close to melee, and banner of war. its a bit hard to keep up wormgod, but its crazy damage.
@SavvyMon4
3 ай бұрын
@@dionicius03last I checked banner of war isn’t on prismatic titan
@jimmcmeen761
3 ай бұрын
No banner on Prismatic…. What a joke of an exotic. I’m happy I didn’t waste resources on it. I swear Titans have gotten tea banged continuously during final shape and Prismatic. Prismatic Titan does one thing well is melee slam. It gets old. Was running it before Prismatic
@edgelordkirito
3 ай бұрын
My man you cant run the class item on anything else that prismatic i wish it was different but it is not. Big oversight. Go back to warlock and let us now useöess titans weep alone.
@ApolloPrime1
3 ай бұрын
Oh ehroar…you really didn’t check things last season…
@gravitonlance3610
3 ай бұрын
The gauntlets also need to buff the frenzied blade of the super.
@AaronFrance
3 ай бұрын
Yeah I was seriously surprised it didn't buff the super, considering that Synthoceps itself does. I wouldn't even mind if it was just the stacking buff rather than a straight damage increase.
@AuraMaster_7
3 ай бұрын
New exotic gives almost the same total damage increase as Synthoceps, massively increases how fast you get your melees back, doesn't require you to be surrounded to get the damage bonus, and even makes Flechette Storm a viable ranged melee option. Ehroar: it's trash, use the prismatic exotic on strand
@kingphil49
3 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s why these content creators don’t know shit half the time
@nathanroyster1324
3 ай бұрын
these are great points I hadn't considered. they couldn't make them do more damage than synthos with biotic enhancements proc'd because then there would be no use case for synthoceps. These give you basically unlimited powered melees as long as there are things to kill. Building wish ignorance this way clearly distinguishes it from both synthoceps and worm god. sucks that they nerfed 1-2 punch, these would be crazy with that.
@pockitsune6347
3 ай бұрын
it doesn't make flechette storm good, it's a barely noticeable 30% damage buff after 3 times which is just baffling because its not like its even a good melee
@funtourhawk
3 ай бұрын
you missed the part where you HAVE to run this with a full fireteam or you're missing out on half the exotic's effects
@fallenexperience4255
3 ай бұрын
It’s trash because it’s easy to get melee back already and the damage is not equal to synthoceps. Flechette storm is still better with synthoceps or wormgod than on this exotic
@davisterisboss3387
3 ай бұрын
Im gonna say it...wishful with flechete is so fucke good...I honestly dont know what you're going on about. The damage output is insane and not to mention how fast you get all 4 melee charges back.
@Lolbsterbiscuit
2 ай бұрын
Now try synthos with flachette…it’s even better
@davisterisboss3387
2 ай бұрын
@Lolbsterbiscuit itll do more damage sure. But your melee energy refills extremely fast with wishful.
@Lolbsterbiscuit
2 ай бұрын
@@davisterisboss3387 Monte Carlo, invigoration, stasis shards, shield crush, outreach, etc all provide plenty of melee regeneration Wishful needs an adjustment. It’s not bad, but it’s outclassed sadly :(. I really want to use it
@davisterisboss3387
2 ай бұрын
@Lolbsterbiscuit i prefer to run my godrolled nox. Best dps primary in the game. I dont use this build anymore. Ive adapted to a better one which is more so for high end content like gms. Full on melee builds just dont cut it unfortunately.
@DogBurger9876
3 ай бұрын
As far as im concerned Hoil needs a full revert to 10s and titan needs another playstyle other than melee. Based on day 1 stats titan is dead and bungie killed it.
@AaronFrance
3 ай бұрын
I mean the big thing is that it gives you melee charges back. Granted with pugilist and other ways to recharge abilities it might not be that big of a difference but like you said - you have so many melee charges that you kinda don't know what to do with them, when using Wishful Ignorance. Synthoceps is clearly a better burst DPS option if you just want to nuke individual targets but being able to roam around pretty much constantly meleeing things, never caring about "wasting" a melee. It's a pretty fun build to use imho. All that Bungie will do is further nerf Synthoceps which is just an incredibly boring fix, shame.
@cqrson8079
3 ай бұрын
This video is ridiculous considering he’s basing the entire thing off of using the exotic class items not on prismatic bro is just genuinely slow
@FreshHummel
3 ай бұрын
I see a Bungie developer looking at this and thinking, yeah, he's right. The damage with the new Exo should be higher than Synthoceps. Let's nerf Synthoceps to the ground so the new Exo is valuable.
@jacobruiter592
3 ай бұрын
Wishful Ignorance's main selling point is it's perfect gameplay loop that only improves with build crafting
@georgealvernia2711
3 ай бұрын
WE NEED A REAL WITNESS DAMAGE BUILD FOR TITANS 😢 PLZ
@LordTonzilla
3 ай бұрын
Microcosm + Hazardous Propulsion for extra free damage
@georgealvernia2711
3 ай бұрын
@@LordTonzilla basic
@RequiemL34
3 ай бұрын
Either axes with star eater or hazardous propulsion is as good as it gets
@Trevoroxx
3 ай бұрын
Hazardous propulsion + grand overture. Use shoot to loot retraced path to reload grand overture (slow reload is prob worst part about the gun) and to stack exodus rocket charges by precision hitting big targets (and applying voltshot). Grand overture let's you absolutely dump damage when the opportunity arises (talking about on witness), then you can restock volley charges easily with hipfire normal shots to recharge the burst (long dps phase so can do 2 full volleys). The call is obvious slot 1, slot 2 is Indebted kindness if you don't vibe with the trace rifle and just want to be more basic but still solid.
@googleplaynow9608
3 ай бұрын
I got 6.5 million in 2 damage phases with my slideshot explosive light crux termination and star eater axes... Also the one debuffing the boss for everyone else. Titan damage on witness is more than suitable if you know what you're doing. Hunter's ease of use is what's making them insane right now, but still hunt will get a nerf undoubtedly.
@pockitsune6347
3 ай бұрын
Honestly, this exotic would make so much more sense if prismatic had banner of war. Right now, you have almost 0 ways to recharge your ability energy on prismatic titan, and this would've been decent for spamming consecration at least.
@Ray.Getard
3 ай бұрын
I hate what they have done to titan. All exotics except maybe 2 are shit. only 1 decent prismatic build (not as good as hunter). class ability does fucking nothing compared to both other classes. titan is just absolutely useless.
@E.F.W.
3 ай бұрын
I understand the sentiment, but surely you’re being a little disingenuous. I know they killed HOIL and they’re working on killing Synthoceps lol, but Lance Cap is great, Skullfort is certainly very usable, Precious Scars even. There are some great exotics out there.
@spartacus6256
3 ай бұрын
@@E.F.W. You know speaking of HoIL,, I've actually tried to use it again on Prismatic and it actually works out pretty well. HoIL's ability regen on top of Transcendence's is enough to push the ability regen over the edge to the point of essentially 0 down time between melee and grenade from my experience. Yes outside of Transcendence its as useless as it has been but the form is so quick to get that it might as well be the your regular state.
@SSD_Penumbra
3 ай бұрын
@@E.F.W. Man really said Lance Cap is great
@delta_1632
3 ай бұрын
Bungie changed OTP to disappear after the next melee hit, so double meleeing isn't a thing anymore.
@rhyshuber9981
3 ай бұрын
Bungie on their way to drop titans 6th melee class
@rayne217
3 ай бұрын
Bro only cares about damage in perfect scenarios. You will not get syntho's to proc in 95% of scenarios you will use Flechette Storm. It is meant to be a ranged attack that gets buffed from this exotic. I GARAUNTEE you that you will not be trying to output the damage you're doing in testing, it's unrealistic and is done by specifically saving ads. They also nerfed grapple melee's being that you need to shoot before you start grappling, so navigator is even more of a skill floor to meet. You are trying to use and paint this exotic in a way that isn't meant to be put out, as a direct competitor and replacement for synthos. What it actually is, is a support and energy refunder just by playing the game. You heal allies, you get melee charges, you can use said melee charges to spam flechette storm, which you'll still be nearby allies for, which means more energy, which means more damage and more flechette storm. You now see the loop. The damage you do with synthos will also most likely never actually matter unless you are playing master or grandmaster content. Most of the time, you can barely use synthos due to the damage things do to you. Be realistic, not everything is about damage, ease of use, general applicability, and consistency should be coming first, then damage, because if you can do 500k a melee, but you have to jump through a dozen hoops... is it really worth doing so?
@Bonesmx11
3 ай бұрын
Ok, he’s using this purely for a damage test, so yes general damage output is incredibly important. Also, if you really think shooting a boss twice with two different shotguns, using a melee button then shooting the boss again is hard to do an insane amount of damage, then just don’t use it or maybe it’s just a skill issue?
@rayne217
3 ай бұрын
@@Bonesmx11 Why are you using this or better yet, synthos in a general scenario. When's the last time you've used strand grapple melees like that? Your argument is braindead and how he wants to use this gauntlet is also braindead/not it's purpose
@Bonesmx11
3 ай бұрын
@@rayne217 hey genius here’s a question when did I say anything about grapple melee, come back to me then idiot
@mathewrobson9968
2 ай бұрын
Im sad to see that the flechette caps out at x3 buff. Truthfully, im sad to see that there's a buff cap at all. But as a day 1 flechette enjoyer, i was really looking forward to a flechette basdd exotic
@goldengod31
3 ай бұрын
Another inferior melee exotic to compete in the Synthocep space. Now this thing might get a buff a d synthos will get a nerf as per usual. Thank f$&k for Hazardous Propulsion but there is one clown at bungie still hellbent on giving us more melee exotics.
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