Thanks for doing this. This sort of publicity is exactly what i need. Really appreciated. I want to make clear to everyone that this is a work in progress project, the balance changes are still not final. And if you're a decent sf2 player, i am open to balance ideas/feedback, you can reach me on the NL discord (which you can find a link for on the NL website - check the video description). Also, it's exactly as you said, i didn't do this as a replacement for ST. I know that this will never happen. This is supposed to be an alternative, like a "side game". If you enjoy ST but you're in the mood for playing something less "dirty", then an alternative now exists. As for Akuma being balanced, in the version you're playing i believe he's a little too nerfed. On the next version (which i plan to release this year) he will be a little better. Also, about Claw, on the next version i'll be trying an entirelly new approach to the wall dive balance: instead of balancing the wall dive loop by making it unsafe on block, i'll undo the unsafe on block nerf but then just remove the loop completelly by making the opponent wake up faster after being hit. I'll do that because the claw players really hated the previous balance, and as much as i dislike how Claw is in ST, I really want every character to be viable and everyone to be content with it as much as possible.
@Wykesidefruitmachine
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work mate, thank you.
@Wykesidefruitmachine
2 жыл бұрын
Subbed btw!
@justingoers
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work. Keep it up!
@stonetic2515
2 жыл бұрын
That's great. I was going to flame these claw changes but your new ones sound a lot more reasonable. I'm not a wall dive abuser, but the move needs to have some teeth to it in order to threaten the super.
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
@@stonetic2515 I know man. I am listening to the feedback, i really want to make itfair for everyone, but it's hard to get everything right on the first try. Not every one of my changes worked, and i have no problem of accepting that i made a mistake. Thankfully i can just patch thigns up, so on each version it will only get better and better.
@BoundaryBreak
2 жыл бұрын
needs to be officially released by Capcom as "Final Edition"
@Ghaust8546
2 жыл бұрын
@T being a switch exclusive is what killed the game
@cardsharpHS
2 жыл бұрын
And it still wouldn’t be adopted.
@soulsparx
Жыл бұрын
and then it gets another revision 2 years later
@H3ntairican
2 жыл бұрын
I'm always impressed with the terminology in your videos because out of all the years I've played fighting games I felt like some characters were way too advanced for the game which puts the others in a disadvantage but I never had details or terminology for certain things as your videos do. In conclusion watching you describe older games and me remembering back in those days hits me as a "I knew it"! I knew something wasn't right Lol if only I can pinpoint these things more than two decades ago to my family and friends when I used to play with them
@elmaionesosexo
2 жыл бұрын
That pfp
@H3ntairican
2 жыл бұрын
@@elmaionesosexo i made it on gta5 emblem editor when it first came out 😜
@elmaionesosexo
2 жыл бұрын
@@H3ntairican nice, looks like BOTW Zelda
@paulmilkshakes3890
2 жыл бұрын
Jm fighting game knowledge is s tier
@Wiiownyou
2 жыл бұрын
"Ryu wouldn't counterpick" He goes Evil Ryu in so many games, man would absolute pick a top tier
@Se7enRemain
2 жыл бұрын
Ryu only knows eat hot chip and win
@soulsparx
Жыл бұрын
evil ryu is NOT canon the only canon version is kage who is evil ryu literally separated from ryu's soul into a distinct being you FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!
@JohnLearned
2 жыл бұрын
That tears it. I'm starting a band called "Blanka Overhead"
@henriquefinger935
2 жыл бұрын
Change it to blank so you don't get copyrighted. Still a cool name.
@chillmanmax775
2 жыл бұрын
@@henriquefinger935 blanka overhead isnt a copyrightable name as long as you dont hint that it is THE blanka
@Tacodelmur
2 жыл бұрын
To be honest man, I don’t even play street fighter or the majority of the games you cover on this channel but I keep viewing. Says a lot about you personally if you can keep viewers that don’t even relate to the content! Nothing but love dude, keep killin it.
@pleaseshutup7053
2 жыл бұрын
Why have you never played street fighter lmao
@Tacodelmur
2 жыл бұрын
@@pleaseshutup7053 I’m legitimately ass at street fighter man. I vibe more with soul calibur and fighterZ
@greatestgamer00
2 жыл бұрын
@@Tacodelmur fair enoughf
@iTheBeep
2 жыл бұрын
@@Tacodelmur I for one vibe more with platform fighters but I still enjoy watching this kinda content 😃
@thefrankiepalmeri
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. These guys put A LOT of time and effort in to balancing this game. Pretty astounding.
@ultimateman55
2 жыл бұрын
I put New Legacy on my modded arcade1up a few months ago and I've really enjoyed it so far. Glad to see you're enjoying it as well. Here's hoping it gets more updates and is completed in the future! Also I love the purple Gief in this game, funny you started out with that.
@sukmykrok3388
2 жыл бұрын
Blanka's new normal was actually his fierce in World Warrior
@YadonTheCat
2 жыл бұрын
I knew I'd seen it before
@EMdemo
2 жыл бұрын
Accurate!
@QCCBigZam
2 жыл бұрын
New Legacy giving O Blanka the Hyper Fighting up ball is still my favorite part.
@CorneliousRR
2 жыл бұрын
Blanka buffs you say? Where's WoolieVersus when you need him. XD
@zach2384
2 жыл бұрын
Check the Woolie Hole
@fernandofontenla8466
2 жыл бұрын
I hope this game suceeds where HD Remix failed.
@Chaoskae
2 жыл бұрын
Play it and spread the word
@justingoers
2 жыл бұрын
Hot take. I would love to see this replace old school super turbo. New Legacy makes the bulk of the cast so much more viable.
@vodkagobalsky
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing your love for New Legacy!
@elena-zn1np
2 жыл бұрын
reminds me of 4rd strike, where Gil is playable (and balanced) and Sean is top tier again. people played it for a bit but now it's dead again cause everyone went back to third strike
@persona83
2 жыл бұрын
People grew accustomed to the unbalances and bugs, so a work like this, while impressive, is basically useless.
@spinballmaniac7873
2 жыл бұрын
@@persona83 Wait, really?
@Ghaust8546
2 жыл бұрын
@@spinballmaniac7873 wdym
@SireForseti
2 жыл бұрын
Another dev started to work on 4rd, players are still playing.
@doctorwolfman5221
2 жыл бұрын
Blanka had that weird rolling fierce punch in OG SF II.
@RealMegamanX8
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing your love for NL
@Sin606
2 жыл бұрын
The overhead slash that Blanka did used to be busted in SF2 WW, it was close HP and often hit 2 and almost always stun doing over 50%. My friend taught me that.
@MBXL
2 жыл бұрын
This looks way better than HD Remix to me. Shame we can't get Capcom to make something like this the real definitive edition globally.
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
It's easy for them to do if they wanted... its technically their intellectual property so they could just take it and release it. The guy who made it doesn't even seem to care either way, doesn't want money or recognition out of it, and I'm sure would be thrilled if they did so.
@PiccoloNamexio
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but HD remix OSTs are 🔥
@SwagMaster824
2 жыл бұрын
SF2 and Akuma and Balanced are 3 things that never go together in succession
@paulwright6044
2 жыл бұрын
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Blanka have his "new" 6+HP normal back in vanilla SF2? I distinctly remember him having that. I wondered why it was removed.
@OberynTheRedViper
2 жыл бұрын
It was in SFII - only it wasn't overhead and didn't move forward.
@vodkagobalsky
2 жыл бұрын
@@OberynTheRedViper Yeah that move sucked in WW haha. It's actually good in NL.
@sopek1427
2 жыл бұрын
I dont play fighting games but i like watching such vids
@TheBlueArcher
2 жыл бұрын
Akuma is weaker, but still in no way fair... This came out about a year ago... but I do know he made changes... but I don't know what balance patches he's made since the initial few releases... so maybe... I should dig into this again...
@kaiserbts8007
2 жыл бұрын
This is the game I wanted to hear about but kept forgetting about
@kaiserbts8007
2 жыл бұрын
I also appreciate Blanka's old overhead returning, I think it came from World Warrior, but was generally extremely bad and slow, overall I would say this should be the standard for super turbo, although with the added evil ryu and violent ken (if you can balance them)
@wads80z
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't everyone hate on HD Remix because of the Chun changes? (caveat: I liked HD remix. Dictator fake slide for the win)
@cardsharpHS
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure James Chen would say he could do a far better rebalance than this.
@Mizuki_Jun10
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing, not only balanced but much more complete, I love this hack, I plan to play the rest of my life.
@tribaldragon1328
2 жыл бұрын
Absolute madness
@nedleeds908
2 жыл бұрын
New Legacy is @ CEO 2022 on Saturday night!
@Christopher-bx1rp
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know you can do the Lo-Fi on super Street fighter with Blanca
@kaylordehaas8499
2 жыл бұрын
What about the hd remake or remix for switch? Werent those rebalanced?
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
It was, but there were a number of changes that the community didn't like, and characters like Akuma were still far too strong and had to be banned. This version took all of that feedback into account, avoided all of the divisive changes in favor of a larger number of smaller changes. So far I haven't seen anyone who still plays super turbo who really doesn't like something... so there is hope for this rebalance. Keep in mind I'm not shitting on Sirlin (he went to bat for the ST community and even this rebalance wouldn't have happened without all of the great feedback).
@kaylordehaas8499
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the answer, i am new to the street fighter community and have been researching all versions of super turbo
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
@@kaylordehaas8499 , np buddy. Right now the main one you want to learn to play with others (and even do tournaments) is the arcade version of ST on Fightcade 2.
@spammerx3268
2 жыл бұрын
how do you install thats the question i need help immediately for fightcade 2
@user-ej9bt6vb9h
2 жыл бұрын
How does this compared to Ultra Street Fighter II though?
@persona83
2 жыл бұрын
Truth to be said: old school players don't want a balanced game. They want the flawed, buggy original version. A work like this, while impressive and welcome, makes no difference at this point. The FC2 rooms for both games tell by themselves.
@Ming1975
2 жыл бұрын
I liked Super SF2 accept the for turbo look. It's so annoying, everyone looks like they need to hurry the fight because they need to go toilet.
@prodigy10690
2 жыл бұрын
i wish they would leave some of the busted characters for local play on official releases. I think that balancing certain games gets rid of the some of the things that made games like super turbo special. Look at how much new stuff appeared after almost a decade. And I don’t see the infatuation with making so many games low damage
@pleaseshutup7053
2 жыл бұрын
This game will never stop being remade
@werhuo9981
2 жыл бұрын
chun losing her input store super is really sad because it was a really good super for punishing fireball thanks to the only needing to press kick, it wasnt broken either because you cant block when doing the input store because you are forced to hold forward
@RTU130
2 жыл бұрын
Ye
@NurseLee
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!!
@MASAHIRO-X-
2 жыл бұрын
I call it Super Street Fighter II X Grand Masters Challenge
@MBeats27
2 жыл бұрын
i cant find the game on fightcade
@Henrrrybigballer
2 жыл бұрын
Akuma moment
@humblegamer7876
2 жыл бұрын
remix akuma is still busted
@Nukepool16
2 жыл бұрын
We know homie. This ain’t remix tho.
@moe3235
2 жыл бұрын
For the all go ruthenium
@xDragonInstallx
2 жыл бұрын
There was a huge backlash for the balance changes of HD Remix. I think most will stick to the original still.
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
This avoids all of the issues people had with HD Remix though; you can go down every complaint they had and none of it is part of New Legacy's balance changes. I think the community was unfairly characterized as just not wanting any changes at all, when the reality is that talking to them there were very specific things they disagreed with that were changed.
@HiJakOG
2 жыл бұрын
can you please do the SF2 turbo Mix hack
@josebrisenojr2918
2 жыл бұрын
Super Turbo will always have the cyborg character missing from it's roster because capcom was so forgetful.But yet there's a another game that has him n Ryu in it only .wtf Capcom.
@chriswallace8160
2 жыл бұрын
...blankas new overhead is actually one of blankas old normals from regular sf2
@alastoralex4828
2 жыл бұрын
New legacy is just ST zangief edition. 😹
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
Haha that's funny. Last time i heard it was Fei Long edition.
@alastoralex4828
2 жыл бұрын
@@Born2SPD yooo! Born2SPD Just wanted to say u are a legend! thank you so much for ur work! ST4Life
@DequechBR
2 жыл бұрын
You nerfed Chun a lot, man! Her stock super is one of the best things of her! Maybe you can change this input move to 2 quarters + K to make this easier to do to compensate. ;)
@the_gratefulgamer
2 жыл бұрын
We Tekken7 New Legacy
@Stormtrooper-oc4vn
2 жыл бұрын
Did ultra sf2 fix any of these issues??? Since that is the definitive edition.
@gonzalotorres5282
2 жыл бұрын
They're mixing some balances from Ultra and HD Remix.
@Stormtrooper-oc4vn
2 жыл бұрын
@@gonzalotorres5282 ohhhh ok cool th anks
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
Some yes, much of it no, plus it introduced new busted things in the process.
@Stormtrooper-oc4vn
2 жыл бұрын
@@naejimba oh wow lol
@KusanagiMotoko100
2 жыл бұрын
"This is awesome!" **nobody will touch this version. There's also a rebalanced competitive version of UMK3 in fightcade, it even has training mode, and nobody plays it.
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
That's true, and that's okay. People gonna play what they want. I don't want anyone to be forced to play my thing. For the players that don't feel like playing something slightly different, just stick to ST. But if you like the idea of a more balanced game, then atleast now an alternative exists.
@PiccoloNamexio
2 жыл бұрын
Can you guys tell me what is the rom name of that rebalanced UMK3?
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
@@PiccoloNamexio There's more than one iirc. Popular UMK3 hacks are UMK3 plus, UMK3 tournament edition, UMK3 Juggernaut. These are the ones i remember, I'm sure there is more.
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
Their loss then I guess.
@aznpikachu215
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of the old characters weren't fond of the changes when they saw it. When I last played this, the Old characters got changed to play like HF characters. Sagat can't combo lk into tiger uppercut. And for Akuma, his red fireball does lag when I last played him. Also, jm, any chance of bringing back JMpardy?
@voidandnon-2530
2 жыл бұрын
Sweet, now do 3S.
@makavelimusolini1036
2 жыл бұрын
A re balance of that would be great. Buff all the weaker characters, and give us si Sean.
@jaidynlauder8102
2 жыл бұрын
Check out Sf3 4rd Strike, its on fightcade and its a lot of fun, they make gill playable and rebalance the cast. Pretty dead unfortunately.
@RuhabDabeer
2 жыл бұрын
Wow Akuma got worse! 😑 He already was nerfed
@Vague1801
2 жыл бұрын
I could beat both players with ken
@yourstillwithme
2 жыл бұрын
Please for the love of god make timestamps for each character. You never timestamp your videos and its really annoying.
@peteryang8189
2 жыл бұрын
🎮
@SkeletorTclaws
2 жыл бұрын
So they took out all the fun 😒
@EvilCoffeeInc
2 жыл бұрын
From the thumbnail I got real scared we were going to get some Sirlin hot takes on balance
@Gigadriller
2 жыл бұрын
Akuma still mmh
@knitler885
2 жыл бұрын
No, impossible
@SantiLokyyo
2 жыл бұрын
The store input changes were completely unnecessary
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
Not really.
@quakecon2009
2 жыл бұрын
I haven't played it, but characters like this despite nerfs can still be broken in the hands of an expert. if we look at the start of SF4, I campaigned religiously that seth was a broken POS, I was literally banned from SRK for it and a few months later, Pongkoo takes over the world with him. Why? Because the weakness of the character is only something that applies to an average player, a pro player will still usually execute the main strengths of the character and not really be impacted by the nerf. I will say i consider sup[er turbo the best fighting game of all time. The fact it was released in what 93 and STILL a very relevant fighting game today proves its genius. I think it does need some changes, but I think these changes need to be approved by MULTIPLE in the community who are well known and respected before the rom is finalized and it could make a return cos I would rather play and watch this than the garbage we get today. I would also like to see less damage done by super combos in general, it puts too much onus on a single opening and obtaining loads of damage from that. ST Arcade will always be the best game ever made for me.
@lastburning
2 жыл бұрын
More balanced than Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix? Akuma ended up too good in that one as well.
@theonemrtom101
2 жыл бұрын
I am never a fan of nerfing, I like that games have at least one character that is supposed to be stronger and actually is stronger than the others, everyone complains when they unlock a boss and he's crap when you play as him.
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
Buffing is usually better than nerfing, but sometimes you have 2 choices: huge buffs to everyone or one single nerf to one char - on situations like that the nerf is always the best approach. Take Akuma's air fb for example: most characters simply does not have the means to deal with it. So it's clear the problem is the air fb, not everyone else.
@The_Meev
2 жыл бұрын
Buffing is almost always better than nerfing, but the almost is important. There are certain things that characters have had or still have that dominate the majority of the competition. Things like ST Akuma's air fireballs that give ludicrous advantage on block and can't be dealt with by the majority of the cast really needed to be nerfed substantially for Akuma to be a fair pick on the roster. Same goes with a lot of fighting game characters who have their stupidly OP stuff toned down, like Android 16 who's main command grab that can be comboed into used to give a hard knockdown and let him have 4-way mixup for free. Buffing the other characters doesn't make that suddenly fair.
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
Buffing is the approach you should try first, but only if it makes sense. Many of the things that were targeted (Akuma's air FB, wall dives, etc.) were things pretty much the entire cast had no answer to... so in instances like this it can only really be fixed by a nerf. As far as I'm concerned, I really don't like it when one character is stronger than the others since high level play is just filled with a handful of characters and it gets boring REALLY quick.
@H3ntairican
2 жыл бұрын
3rd
@Makingnewnamesisdumb
2 жыл бұрын
>no stored moves I'm out.
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
Good ridance
@shinsmoke
2 жыл бұрын
A feature that's only exclusive for two characters, Chun Li and Honda. It was either give the feature to all characters or remove it. Born2SPD chose to remove it which was a good decision, imo.
@tiradouken2854
Жыл бұрын
Its not a feature. It was a glitch.
@Makingnewnamesisdumb
Жыл бұрын
@@shinsmoke you can definitely only give it to 2 characters. We know that because it already happened.
@jwill7998
2 жыл бұрын
I've heard that before. #HDR
@phyzikspgh
2 жыл бұрын
These changes suck. Why would you change the Old Characters? They're not old characters anymore. Also, they cheesed up Blanka. Why is any of this good news?
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
If you hate it then just play ST. The reasoning for all the changes are on the patchnotes. I am open to feedback, if you feel in the mood of actually arguing your motives for disliking, then feel free, i'm listening. Or, if you just want to hate, thats fine too, don't play it.
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
Most of the old characters are trash and no one plays them. There are a few stand outs that are better or get play (Sagat, Ryu, Ken, Hawk) but for the most part they are fucking dead and no one touches them. Why WOULDN'T you change them? Blanka was in pretty bad shape and barely played... how is having more viable options not good news? Unless you want to watch tournaments of the same handful of dominant characters for another few decades. Also, like Born2SPD has said: this isn't final and he listens to feedback and makes changes. So unless you just have a garbage opinion that you can't defend, pony up and explain what you don't like, why, and what should be done instead.
@thedangerroom7747
2 жыл бұрын
If you wanted a less fun super Turbo, just play HDremix 🙄
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
And if you want a more fun super turbo, play NL 😜
@thedangerroom7747
2 жыл бұрын
@@Born2SPD hard pass ✌️
@Born2SPD
2 жыл бұрын
@@thedangerroom7747 .. and thats totally fine. Play what you want.
@naejimba
2 жыл бұрын
Because its so fun to guess on wall dive loops with no way to punish when you guess correctly... such skill. Face it, there are things that are just busted that, while fun to do against someone else, completely suck when you are on the receiving end. It also means you rarely see some characters at high level play and tournaments are filled with the same picks over and over. It's 27 years since this game came out. There were a few solid attempts to create balance but none of them stuck. I'm personally glad people were willing to take the risk, and I'm thankful this dude is taking all the time needed to keep at it until the community is happy with what he created.
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