The video of the dinner with Connor and the old board kind of cemented the ending for me. It made it clear that the siblings were never really a part of it, they were never taken seriously as options. They were always just kids playing outside their dad's office.
@stephenmacdonald4443
Жыл бұрын
I dont think so .he came within a whisker of winning, and the way he lost must have been so sore
@miriammitchell1356
Жыл бұрын
Yes! 💯💯💯
@waynereid9471
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, Kendall was taken seriously Just not by his sister 😅
@dontarguewithidiots7459
Жыл бұрын
well put!
@omarpacho630
Жыл бұрын
“He made you a playground and you think it’s a whole world”
@nateisonline6448
Жыл бұрын
Kendall lying that he made up the waiter situation made me so sad dude it was so humiliating
@theorderofthebees7308
Жыл бұрын
I knew that he really was desperate then.
@ergohash2517
Жыл бұрын
i thought he was changing up the story because they were in an open office with other people potentially listening in , so he switched to protection mode
@Missjunebugfreak
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the moment he did that I knew it was over. Kendall blew whatever semblance of trust he had with Shiv and Roman.
@stevet5087
Жыл бұрын
Terrible writing, in my mind.
@halo2bounceguy
Жыл бұрын
@@stevet5087 explain
@Villymanillyvoop
Жыл бұрын
In the end, being CEO of Waystar Royco really seemed like one of Kendal's addictions. His desperate "please" then shift to violence when it was clear it was a no was perfectly acted but also looked like someone desperate to get the hit of the thing he literally feels he needs to survive. The fact his father 'promised' it to him at 7 years old was so heartbreaking. The tragedy was inevitable, as many, including the showrunners, have pointed out.
@flawedsanity
Жыл бұрын
This is such a good point, and one I haven't seen brought up too much yet. I fully agree.
@johnhachey9239
Жыл бұрын
@@flawedsanity Well he got violent because his brother called his kids "randos" as if they aren't his kids
@joebob2311productions
Жыл бұрын
He even said he feels like he would literally die if he didnt get it
@BTCrrc
11 ай бұрын
If Roman had finished the training program seriously and learned along the ways of ups and downs and to be mature and proved to his father, i feel that he would have got the crown.
@Cranberrycheesecake1
7 ай бұрын
@@johnhachey9239 I dont think that was the thing that triggered him most. I think it really was because he saw it slipping out of his hands
@omarpacho630
Жыл бұрын
I dare to say that Connor was even taken a bit more seriously than the other siblings simply because he “knew his place”
@kevinblue1976
Жыл бұрын
He was also interested in politics from a very young age
@alexanderchance1049
Жыл бұрын
Apart from in the video in the finale, was Connor taken more seriously than the other siblings? I’m pretty sure Logan treats him as a joke throughout the show.
@omarpacho630
Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderchance1049 he only treats him like a joke when he starts his presidential campaign.
@anthonyarroyo3790
Жыл бұрын
Connor was never a threat to Logan, which allowed him to have the father/son relationship the other siblings starved for.
@luke3759
Жыл бұрын
w profile pic
@ComfortableTool86
Жыл бұрын
Great analysis as always, though I would like to add that Shiv's decision to betray Kendall wasn't purely strategic, but highly personal because she couldn't bear to see her sibling get what she's always wanted. I don't believe Shiv actually gives a shit that Kendall killed someone (or that a killer can't run a company), but that she brought that up more as a justification. But obviously Kendall's meltdown reinforced how unqualified he was to lead, and cemented Shiv's decision.
@usagi_t
Жыл бұрын
Totally personal, like an envious spoiled child would do.
@lovelyspringweather
Жыл бұрын
100 percent agree. I also don’t buy that she completely thinks he would be bad at the position either. I think it’s both jealousy and also picking the lesser of two evils for her in the end.
@laneythelame
Жыл бұрын
It was a last ditch effort to justify why she couldnt vote for him but just as she said she really couldnt STOMACH the fact that ken would win. She'd rather sabotage the whole thing than see that happen
@jlopezb04
Жыл бұрын
She was only looking after herself. But neither was totally fit to lead and Logan is to blame. Logan hated their children more than he said he loved them. This show was a beautiful tragedy.
@miseendriste6337
Жыл бұрын
And how do you know this? Jesse Armstrong came in your dreams and told you that?
@Fika_Break
Жыл бұрын
Tom was the most subservient and thus became the puppet ceo. Mattson told him he wanted to sleep with Shiv to his face and Shiv would probably be down and Tom didn’t bat an eye. That’s when Mattson knew he had his dog (or Greg).
@Ruledbythehead
Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for someone to talk about this. THAT was the moment that solidified Tom’s position as CEO. Unchanged in the face of power. But it also showed that he was capable of conducting business without his personal feelings involved. Which is something the siblings would never be able to do. God this show is absolutely brilliant.
@annkey4091
Жыл бұрын
I kind of disagree. Tom had accused Shiv of sleeping with the phonebook during their election eve tailgate party throw down. He already knew about Nate and the actor from Willa's play. This was just one more thing. By this time, Tom knew that Shiv was pregnant. However in not batting an eye, he knows that Shiv will have to decide whether Matsson's double-cross is worth her sleeping with him (unless she plans to have a baby with him as a way to get back in what's left of Logan's company). It's called getting laid and getting paid.
@Littletranquility-ck1pi
Жыл бұрын
Tom is in a bad position He is a Low person really Low. And Shiv is with him, She lost the power the control she wanted. And she is having Tom's baby. Thats really Sad for her. Living with someone you don't love but she can't love anyone so its Tom's baggage. Its going to be miserable. The one who won is Greg😂... Highest paided assistant in the history.
@annkey4091
Жыл бұрын
@@Littletranquility-ck1pi A woman with Shiv's money does NOT stay anywhere that she does not want to be, baby or no baby. This is America! The writers left things to imagination. Tom wants his baby and his wife. Shiv wants her husband or she would not have gotten in car. Tom is in a position, for now, where he wants to be with the title that he wanted and the access to money that is his, not his wife's. He now works FOR someone whose surname is NOT Roy. He is probably getting paid handsomely to be a "front" man. Logan Roy, her brothers and Matsson were never going to give Shiv any power and her husband knew it. She could not believe it nor could accept it.
@Littletranquility-ck1pi
Жыл бұрын
@@annkey4091 well I never meant she is with Tom for the Baby I know she don't give a damn. I was saying about Tom that's its bad for him.
@MaryElizabeth611
Жыл бұрын
I believe that Tom truly loves Shiv, but it's undeniable that he's played the game well.
@frankenviews4069
Жыл бұрын
Tom was forever wishing his love for her would grow into her love for him but it never happened, but now that the power dynamics have shifted and her daddy issues have been triggered, Tom may get an artificial version of love, which was a version of what he always prayed for but a whole lot more what he has ever gotten from Shiv.
@thefirefridge5187
Жыл бұрын
Idk about that. I think Tom was being honest in the finale when he said he doesn't know if he wants to be in a relationship with her. I'm sure he loved her at some point, but after all they've been through they can never have a genuine relationship again. Whatever marriage they do have will be hollow, and the fact they couldn't even really hold hands properly in the finale symbolizes that.
@t221000
Жыл бұрын
Of course he loves her and that’s why he’s so offended that she treated him like garbage 🗑️
@erubin100
Жыл бұрын
@@thefirefridge5187 you can still be in love with someone and not want to be in a relationship with them. people fall in love with people they shouldn't all the time; some realize it and some don't. I think at that point, Tom DID still love Shiv, but also realized how bad she was for him.
@happygucci5094
Жыл бұрын
I don’t believe that Tom loves Shiv anymore than she loves him- it was mutually exploitative. I knew that it was going to be Tom at the end. He knew exactly what he wanted and played to win.
@davidguiney1746
Жыл бұрын
That's such an amazing analogy. Those born at the finish line can never know what it takes to get there.
@sewerface
Жыл бұрын
It is obvious garbage. What is with you people. It’s like everyone in the comments watched this show and understood none of it. This video is trash. Stop telling this guy it’s gold.
@slyb7193
Жыл бұрын
I think so as well 😊
@forestsunset9617
Жыл бұрын
Those who live with a full stomach of food will never understand stealing bread
@frydsaman6857
Жыл бұрын
@@forestsunset9617 this one doesnt work so well
@forestsunset9617
Жыл бұрын
@@frydsaman6857 those who suck don't know what it is like to not suck
@DiasThiago100
Жыл бұрын
Of the three, somehow i feel Roman had the happiest ending. His smile in his last scene was pure relief. He was finally free. Free from his father, from the games and battles with his siblings. Free from everything. He was the first of them to realize they were bullshit and that Waystar was nothing to them. Just a bunch of bad tv shows they didn't even wanted.
@rhondac.891
Жыл бұрын
Don’t we know Roman better than that? He will flip flop. If we had another week of this show he would be asking Ken how do they salvage this. Roman will be miserable
@july9566
Жыл бұрын
Roman always knew they were bs , look how he acted throughout , he knows theyd all be pumping gas if they werent born into the club . He was the realest one actually , Kendall and shiv always tried to play smart but are just not .
@rhondac.891
Жыл бұрын
@@july9566 the same guy who thought he was the best fit to pick the president was always aware? 😂
@martinbauclausen2914
Жыл бұрын
@@july9566 I seriously don't think any of the siblings would be able to keep a job at a gas station. They wouldn't know how to do the simplest things, they wouldn't be able to follow a simple order, and they wouldn't be able to handle the physical strain on their bodies that comes with having a regular job like that. The interesting thing about their privileged upbringing is it has probably left them with no marketable skills whatsoever. It doesn't matter, though; at the end of the show, each of them will have billions of dollars in cash and stock, and they'll probably be able to coast through life, from one failed project to another, without ever feeling an impact to their standard of living.
@tiptoptoe2968
Жыл бұрын
Roman is mentally ill. The fortune his family has allows him to exist within society but also prevents him from getting proper treatment. No way of knowing if he actually gets the help he needs or goes further mad when he has no purpose or reason to pretend to be sane.
@leivasacade
Жыл бұрын
Kendall is a character straight out of a Shakespeare story. Just went you begin empathic towards him, he shows his evil side and is much darker than you can imagine...
@msbutterflyz
Жыл бұрын
He strikes me as a survivor, not so much evil.
@asd-dv7dq
Жыл бұрын
More like he's that one character the writers accidentaly make too likeable in a tragedy story with multiple main characters so they have to give him random outbursts that cause him to fail
@carolynrabbani6469
Жыл бұрын
And no one knew that better than Shiv and Roman, although Roman was too beaten down to see it through, once Shiv had the courage to refuse to vote in Kendall's favor, Roman was all for Shiv.
@winstonwolf5706
Жыл бұрын
I don't think evil is the word.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
Kendall wasn't evil. 🙄
@squrler
Жыл бұрын
If Kendall only turned it down a bit after being anointed, by not sitting in Logan’s chair and not putting his feet up on the desk so demonstratively as he did, Shiv might have been able to stomach him being the winner. Truly pride came before the fall.
@magma4168
Жыл бұрын
Or even if he acted differently after she ran away from the conference room.
@paulseigeldorf9461
Жыл бұрын
If that is what flipped Shiv, than she’s a pathetic front runner. Putting his feet on the desk causes someone to flip their vote and screw their own brother , shows just what a horrible person she is.
@fridabradbrook5577
Жыл бұрын
@@paulseigeldorf9461 well yes. that's the show. they are all horrible and pathetic
@axolotlismybeautystandard
Жыл бұрын
@@paulseigeldorf9461 I’d say that it wasn’t the chair but the moment she was used as a minion for talking with shareholders by Kendall. Or Kendall final speach full of corpo-bullshit. She also could consider her options and considering how her cooperation with the brothers looked like at the beginning of this series, to decide that she still prefers to bet on the father of her child. But as I love Shiv she is very envious girl and she might as well hate to see her brother having toys she can’t play with.
@wephilips6651
Жыл бұрын
@@axolotlismybeautystandard agreed. It was everything. Even I was like ffs the return of cringe and pathetic corporate ken. Just chatting absolute bollocks. At first I thought shiv was purely motivated by spite but now I think she acted out of self interest. Every thing Kendall said or did in that office was pretty much a red flag. I think we had forgotten just how bad and ill suited he is for the role because he made a few good speeches this season but look How vacant and superficial and petulant he is. Look at his reaction to his employee wanting to leave: how he talks to those under him. Shiv bringing up the waiter was weird and is maybe evidence of acting from spite and trying to justify post hoc. Maybe she didn’t want to come out and say to Kendal you can do this. Maybe she had a gut feeling but couldn’t articulate. Even if it were the first and she was acting spitefully Kendall’s reaction was complete vindication. He proves there how bad he would have been but also what a horrible person he is but for some ‘weird’ reason no one says that. When he assaulted his brother and physically went for his pregnant sister after crying then it should be him because he’s the eldest boy lol
@blakedowdell4725
Жыл бұрын
The final argument between Kendall and shiv. Ken screaming "i am the eldest boy!" And shiv laughing and saying he's not. Shiv actually acknowledges her brother connor for the first time.
@OzyMandias13
Жыл бұрын
I love the way Ken was taken aback by that. His ultra-privileged life wasn’t privileged enough for him. His sense of entitlement was so overblown, that it became divine birthright.
@dgurl04
Жыл бұрын
That’s the thing with Shiv, she only acknowledges the truth when it aligns with her plan. Else, it’s not real.
@margarethmichelina5146
4 ай бұрын
Also, in Season 3, when Connor had a breakdown that he's yelling "I'M THE ELDEST SON!", Shiv and Roman later apologize to him for not taking him seriously but not Kendall.
@mohawkan423023
Жыл бұрын
Tom really was the one that was going to get it the whole time. He never overplayed his hand, and was also willing to do everything it takes to get CEO (as hollow as his position might end up being). In hindsight, that one shot of Logan's scars worked as a great bit of foreshadowing - you don't get to be at the top by going unscathed. Tom was underestimated throughout the show, and I love that this was what the writers decided to go with. Truly Shakespearean in the end.
@usagi_t
Жыл бұрын
Tom was not underestimated, he was always a weasel and stayed a weasel. Kendall was underestimated and gaslighted all the time by everyone about his capability.
@Sebastian.Medina
Жыл бұрын
@@usagi_t It's not underestimating if you have evidence that he's not fit for the job. Kendall was never going to get it because his only accomplishment was being the son of the man in charge.
@officialthomasjames
Жыл бұрын
Getting tired of everyone saying this was Shakespeare. It was a copout ending that threw away most of the plot points and character development of Season 4.
@omarpacho630
Жыл бұрын
He even took right in the gutter a sexual advance towards his (still) pregnant wife
@napsam71
Жыл бұрын
Shiv won. She'll manipulate Tom down the line. Or maybe Tom really is 'a killer'.
@haydenlane9600
Жыл бұрын
That scene of them playing around in their moms kitchen was both touching and tragic. Touching in that it felt like they were just being kids again and getting along and messing around the way siblings do (and they probably didn’t get to growing up). And tragic because you get the feeling watching it that this will be the last pleasant memory that they’ll have of each other. Even before things went to hell with the vote, it felt like that last pleasant memory you have of a loved one you lost and how it will come to feel like a gift looking back on it years from now. They’ve stabbed each other in the back and said horrible things to each other they can’t take back but they also have that last night in moms kitchen
@renatoaraujo8581
Жыл бұрын
I think it shows that they only worked as a family before adulthood, once they grew up and the childish innocence gave place to their personality traits acquired from such a rich but broken environment, it all falls apart drastically. They always get to an "agreement" when they become nostalgic, all to be soon dismantled when they start to think about what they are and what they want or fear in the present.
@MrOneWay5000
Жыл бұрын
Deep and very accurate
@albertobarzini6640
Жыл бұрын
Exactly I swear I felt it so dull watching it don't know why
@aaaakuleczkaa
Жыл бұрын
Had the same feeling watching that scene, I thought it was the happiest scene in the whole series and from now on everything will go down... and it did...
@OzyMandias13
Жыл бұрын
“Meeeal fit for a Kiiiing”
@reasanka5298
Жыл бұрын
I always thought that it was Kendall becoming Logan towards the end that really killed him. Kendall acting like the death of the waiter kid never really happened was such an "NRPI" moment, it not only tarnished one of the biggest moments of the bond the siblings had, but it also gave Rome and Shiv the excuses they needed to go against him.
@moonchiId.
Жыл бұрын
when they dont give a fuck about the waiter and roman literally made jokes about it when kendall told them istg they all are so stupid
@fightsports66
Жыл бұрын
I had the same reaction as Roman when Kendall was like which one. Are you telling us you committed more murders so you really don’t know which killing we are referring to?
@theanarchistcook
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised he didn't actually say "NRPI".
@wolfzeru5745
Жыл бұрын
That's true, when Kendall confessed he killed someone, the siblings were supportive and they got together more than ever. Kendall became a psycho in the end, not only he was denying the bond with his siblings, he was also denying his guilt and thus his humanity
@naomi89able
Жыл бұрын
Yes! I was thinking of Shiv's face during Kendal's eulogy, when he announces that he hopes he becomes more like his father. She looks horrified. I thought of this when she couldn't vote for him at the end. There were many reasons why she did it, but I think she couldn't stomach him becoming the next Logan
@wephilips6651
Жыл бұрын
People seem to be forgetting as well that the original plan was to seek to matson and do their own thing…it was Kendall who changed that and started working against it unilaterally before bringing the other siblings into it and not telling shiv for a while
@zwj5478
Жыл бұрын
Which is a killer move so what ?
@t221000
Жыл бұрын
Do you mean Speak to Mattson?
@aminallam4188
Жыл бұрын
It was actually Roman who proposed blowing up the deal. like usual Kendall’s siblings blow things up, let Kendall try to fix it, just so they can let Kendall take the fall. Kendall’s only flaw is that he still acknowledges those clowns.
@hurmur9528
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. And that is so typicall Kendall. Doing a revolution always. This time against dads will of selling and also against Matsson who proved to be a formidable opponent. Matssons move and the way he did it was just a masterclass in power when he asked Tom to be CEO. And then he tells him that he wants to have sex with Shiv as well and that he does not want a CEO who tells him what to do. He challenge Tom and Tom takes it. Because Tom knows that you have to do a accept a lot when you are in presense of true power to achive your goal. Matssons master move though was not just testing Tom, he also knew that Shiv most likely would accept this choice. Making it check mate.
@Sasuke-ss1tf
Жыл бұрын
@@aminallam4188 the way you view that is very telling to who you are as a person 😂
@hussey1990
Жыл бұрын
The ending felt true to the nature of these characters. They are horrible, backstabbing people. Sometimes people don't change.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
Tom was a backstabber too. It was Tom backstabbing Shiv to Logan that ended their marriage.
@Christopher-md7tf
Жыл бұрын
Right, there is very little in terms of character development throughout the whole show. By and large, people are still who they were in the very first episodes, which is to say: Selfish, manipulative, scheming pieces of shit.
@titanicisshit1647
11 ай бұрын
@@obscurum6 they're all dipshits
@AniTube-ds8uz
9 ай бұрын
yup! even though I was disappointed with the end it just made sense to me and tbh it would've been extremely boring and a bit hollow if Kendall got the position and everyone lived happily ever after with no depth or anything, I would've hated that!
@margarethmichelina5146
4 ай бұрын
@@obscurum6 Can you even blame Tom to backstab Shiv? Shiv always treats him like her lapdog every time ever since Season One when she cheated on Tom with Nate and begged Tom to stay. Then, she asked him to be in "Open Relationship" but she's the one who can cheat with other man but she won't allow Tom to go with another woman! The way she treats Tom like that because she's always being treaten as the token girl in the family, as her dad is a workaholic, her mom doesn't know how to be a mom and her brothers always left her behind. So, Shiv's feeling like a winner when she's finally get a man who can listen to her. However, what she didn't expect, Tom mostly always fight back like a dog who's finally can bite his owner. Also, Shiv is a spoiled, lazy and delusional girl who never know about real world so in conclusion, Tom married a child. She was feeling untouchable when Logan was still alive but then after Logan died, she's alone and has no one to back her up anymore and doesn't know who she is anymore. You also noticed how her hair is getting messier ever since Logan died like showing her mental state is not stable like it used to and even she's less wearing makeup. Also, she's pregnant, and it could also showing how stress she is as her dad died while she's on her pregnancy.
@cgijokerman5787
Жыл бұрын
Roman wasn't fully convinced either, but Kendall physically hurt him to put him in his place. Just like Logan did
@t221000
Жыл бұрын
He totally made his stitches 🧵 bleed 🩸 on purpose 😢
@cardamom3804
Жыл бұрын
mmm I think you are oversimplifying it. Roman was partially in control when Kendall was hurting him. For Roman it “hurts so good”.
@t221000
Жыл бұрын
@@cardamom3804 He is a masochist and he got hurt 😢 in the first place by running 🏃♂️ into the protesters 🪧
@cgijokerman5787
Жыл бұрын
@@cardamom3804 Mark Mylod, one of the writers, stated that Kendall tried to crush any doubt in Roman, just like Logan used to.
@chrisguy9017
Жыл бұрын
He did that to himself the first time. And the second time, i think he got what he deserved.
@omarpacho630
Жыл бұрын
Tom’s whole prison arc is a perfect equivalent of Logan’s scars as a sign of merit
@futuropasado
Жыл бұрын
tom is not logan, tom has won a ceo position with much less power. He worked his way, but only beeing a puppet. Nothing more, obey.
@omarpacho630
Жыл бұрын
@@futuropasado bro you need Tom to literally be born again to prove your point
@SweetJeopardy
Жыл бұрын
@@omarpacho630 no, he's right. Guys like Logan and Matson really have power, they're nobody's puppet. Tom got a hollow crown only cause his wife voted for it, everybody knows it too, but especially Shiv and Matson.
@omarpacho630
Жыл бұрын
@@SweetJeopardy are you willing to go to prison for someone?
@asdf852asdf
Жыл бұрын
@@SweetJeopardy Tom understands what it is to work for something while scheming, lyng, backstabbing and lowering his head when he needed to, he played the game 10 times better than the kid and Logan and Mattson realized it
@JoJoJoker
Жыл бұрын
Ken & Shiv made the same mistake. They assumed they were CEO before closing the deal.
@MyaB1986
Жыл бұрын
Yep. They could've let board decide on the next CEO and not sell their father's legacy. If you rewatch season 3, Shiv is the one trying to stop the deal, even though Kendall was too broken to even care. Then she wanted the deal to go through because she was deluted that she's gonna be the next CEO and eventually decided to sell only so that Kendall doesn't get it.
@margarethmichelina5146
3 ай бұрын
This is why premature celebration is always the worst. And ironically, when they all were confonting Logan at the Karaoke Bar, those two were laughing and smiling and thinking, "Yeahh, I win against my daddy!" Only for them getting the most depressing endings. They both even didn't want to see their dad's body even for the last time while Roman did to honor him. While Connor and Roman didn't say anything much on arguments but those 2 had "Good" Endings. Although Connor's marriage with Willa is still questionable but they both are going to separate ways for now and giving each other spaces while Roman is free without any pressures from Logan, Kendall or the company. Also, he's not really too ambitious to be the CEO, he just wanna do the right thing to impress his dad and he's the first one who accept the reality that his own family is bullshits.
@Fika_Break
Жыл бұрын
One interesting thing about Succession is that virtually no characters had any development throughout the story. Kendall would make bold moves only to collapse. Shiv would get played and was petty and Roman was insecure and lacked confidence. Tom was servile, Connor was aloof and Greg was a weasel. It had the most static characters of any show.
@amirparsi4165
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, I was waiting for someone to point it out. There is no character difference between the pilot and the finale, they all stay the same
@chamindrawarusawitharane177
Жыл бұрын
But, that's the point. Narcissistic personalities don't change. There is never any character development for such damaged people in real life either.
@asensijj7282
Жыл бұрын
I don't think this is compleyely true. Tom was still servile but grew a spine at the end and became colder. Kendall while mostly being the same mumbling awkward guy that can't read the room shed some of his humanity this last season. In s1 they wouldn't have been capable of it
@amirparsi4165
Жыл бұрын
@Asensi JJ the only one's that really pulled through were Tom and Greg, these two learned how to play the game and in the end won it, But the main 3 not so much, kendall was pathetic from the beginning and in the end he sunk even lower, every season was about how he is about to start something promising but he was too incompetent to make anything happen. Shiv's arch enemy was her own overconfidence in manipulating people, she'd do anything to get to power but every time she got played herself. And Roman was just a lost child, who never grew up, he had his moments trying to act like his father, but he realized he is too damaged to be a logan roy. They experienced minor changes throughout the show, but nothing to be called character development.
@alatielinara
Жыл бұрын
@@chamindrawarusawitharane177 it is if they will be willing to work with it and change. Ken maybe, Roman and Shiv probably wouldn't
@ciitadel2518
Жыл бұрын
I love this ending and especially Shiv's role in it because there's no single way of looking at her choice. It's a multi-faceted thing. She knew Kendall wasn't qualified, but she also couldn't stand the idea of letting her brother win. She knew she would have no shot at power again with Kendall in control, and while she would be turning into her own mother as the CEO's pregnant wife, she would still have more sway that way than as the CEO's younger sister. It was both petty and childish but strategic at the same time. Also, this entire season Tom and Shiv's main conflict has revolved around the idea of loyalty. Tom has accused Shiv multiple times now of not loving him and not being willing to sacrifice anything for him. With this move, he can never say that to her again. She has that upper hand on that front for the rest of their lives now. There's no one way to explain Shiv's choice, because she's a complicated, selfish, and ultimately messy person. And other people who try to reduce it down to one thing or another does a disservice to her character, and feeds into what she said about Logan-not being able to fit an entire woman in their head.
@hmmm2564
Жыл бұрын
Lol, are you really that dumb? Tom is a straight up weasel. He will do what's best for him
@annkey4091
Жыл бұрын
I agree with your assessment. I don't think Shiv was given the credit by Tom for being in his corner. I think that Tom cast his lot with Logan when he saw that Shiv would be unable to carve out her own path, let alone his, within the company. She was a woman and her brothers were going to fight her tooth and nail every step of the way. Shiv wanted any advancement made by Tom within the company would be through her good will. Shiv did not give Tom credit for being able to carve his own path. Being an outsider, he was able to look at the Roy family and size up where the weaknesses were ---- the kids. When you think about it, Shiv's style was messy, (a brawler) , due to her upbringing, but she delivered ---- not necessarily to herself. Tom wanted her to have his baby (he probably thought that she was no longer trying to conceive). She is pregnant with HIS child, a point that she made to him. In other words, she may not have been sleeping around as she led him to believe. Tom became a CEO due to her crucial vote allowing him to wear the big pants and, the money from sale of Waystar|RoyCo allows her to do whatever she wants. She is also a dutiful daughter ---- she saw that the company was sold just as Logan and Lady Caroline wanted. Lukas Matsson made it a point to say that he did not want the Roy name, a reason given that Shiv did not get the CEO position. I don't see Tom getting input from Shiv about a company that the Roy family no longer owns, which is a reason why I could not understand why she would want to work with Matsson after the company was sold to him. Any powers that Tom has a CEO will be assigned by Matsson who stated that he himself will make the decisions and the CEO is his front man. I don't think that Shiv owed anything to Connor, Kendall or Roman. She carrying a Wambsgans. It might be the death of one dynasty and the beginning of another.
@chuckychuck8318
8 ай бұрын
@@annkey4091Shiv would do anything to not let her brothers win because she couldn't stand seeing them in charge so by siding with Lukas she thought she had the upper hand as she still saw the company as her dad's and that's exactly why Mattson wanted her out. Also Mattson didn't want another Ebba situation to happen.
@Navdeepsmom
8 ай бұрын
There wasnt strategy at play. She simply couldn't let her brother be CEO. Quite bleak
@ct8919
Ай бұрын
REAL
@JayMac
Жыл бұрын
The most surprising thing was that we didn’t see Kendall jumping off the building and falling in the window behind them when they were all taking pictures
@StarLababy12
6 ай бұрын
Seriously thought he was gonna kill himself
@brandoncassels3670
Жыл бұрын
I was eagerly anticipating the release of this video! This is one of the best endings to a television series I have ever seen. The Roy family system dictates that to love one another is to hurt one another and this theme is very much highlighted in the series finale. Out of all the siblings, I think Roman is the one who will finally get some peace. Going from wanting to be someone he is not, to fighting against who he really is, to finally making some peace with that realization, was a great character arc. Shiv was always self-interested and not to be trusted, which is very much in alignment with how her story ends. I actually found Kendal's ending to be so satisfying: the bumbling, narcissistically wounded heir apparent having a temper tantrum that he won't receive the claim to power he always thought was his birth right despite his ineptitude. Genius writing and so psychologically captivating.
@t221000
Жыл бұрын
Shiv really should work in politics
@AIRIKSN666
Жыл бұрын
Agree wholeheartedly. I honestly think they could’ve had at least 2 more episodes in the series. I wanted to know more about Matsson’s bad India numbers, Mencken’s early call (votes possibly could’ve been false from riots; he wouldn’t be president) but this ending was satisfying enough. I wish Gerri, Frank, Karl, Hugo, etc. would’ve been in little more but other than they’re a funny group lmao
@KazBrownRP
Жыл бұрын
Tom also did something none of the others could bring themselves to do. When Matsen met with him face to face and asked him about how he was as a "hang" he didn't feed him bullshit. Even though his compatibility was the top thing Tom stressed about he kept it honest and it won him the prize. His instant forgiveness of Greg was the cherry on top.
@GreenZerg
Жыл бұрын
What did matsen mean by "hang" never quite got that.
@theoxbellows
Жыл бұрын
@@GreenZerg What kind of guy he was personality-wise, as in two people hanging out.
@KazBrownRP
Жыл бұрын
@@GreenZerg much of the episode Tom was lamenting that Matsen kept inviting him to social events, parties, hangouts, whatever. Tom's concern was that he never fit in with that crowd, that he would rather be at the office. A couple of keen youtubers have mentioned how the initial seed for Tom to take over was planted when Matsen heard he was working rather than attending the funeral.
@NatureFreak1127
Жыл бұрын
Greg had dirt on him though.
@rouk2621
Жыл бұрын
did tom really forgive greg? im not an english native so it was hard for me to tell wether it was sarcasm or not (if were both talking about the bidding sticker to the forehead scene)
@aimansirkhot3822
Жыл бұрын
Loved the foreshadowing when rome and shiv playfully discuss about murdering ken. They actually do kill him
@rebecca_stone
Жыл бұрын
Superb summary of a superb ending. "The core message of Succession is that those who were born at the finish line cannot understand what it takes to compete against those who are racing to get there." I'm going to miss your essays on this series - they've been just as excellent as the show itself. Thank you!
@alatielinara
Жыл бұрын
I think it wasn't about how to get to the finish line but how the race itself destroys people
@sewerface
Жыл бұрын
Wtf? You acknowledge it’s a summary and say it’s superb? It’s one or the other, Mia. You can’t title a video “what it all meant” then barely talk about meaning while focusing almost entirely on plot. Why is this comment so taken with these stupid cliff notes pretending to be analysis
@fictionnerd78
8 ай бұрын
@@sewerface I can see what you’re saying and you actually do a good job explaining your position, but I personally wouldn’t call the video surface level. He discusses the character motivations and the reasons why the characters do what they do as opposed to just saying “X event happened, then Y event happened”, which is what I would classify as “Surface level.” Now, if you have issues with the actual content of his analysis, I’d be intrigued to hear it, but even if his analysis is flawed, I still wouldn’t call it surface level. On a completely separate note, just out of curiosity, what is your opinion on his other videos? Not just on Succession, but just his general content? Pure curiosity.
@mathewjohwa
Жыл бұрын
I love how they portrayed Tom’s character. He was essentially two characters in one. The first side of him was the submissive servant, lusting for approval from the family and the second character is how he was also a master manipulative bully, which you’d see in his interactions with Greg. Him understanding that he had no monetary gain from being associated with Greg allowed him to be his true self and that he was perhaps a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
@annkey4091
8 ай бұрын
I tend to agree with you. If the series had continued, I think that you would see yet another Tom Wambsgans. I think the final scene of he and Shiv's car ride, revealed to Shiv a man that she did not know very well. I think that he is every bit a ruthless as Matsson and as clever ---- "I bide my time" kind of guy.
@veryexcellentniceguy9641
6 ай бұрын
I think a lot of people miss that about Tom. His subservient act was manipulation just like anything else. He would shape shift to be whatever was most wanted by the people he needed something from
@margarethmichelina5146
6 ай бұрын
Also, Greg betrays him many times but he never feel resents towards him more than to Shiv, instead he's proud of him because Greg is just his human furniture. Greg understands it in the end and he'd rather stay forever being Tom's bitch than get nothing.
@annkey4091
6 ай бұрын
Greg will land on his feet. There is no indication that grandpa Ewan is going to cut out Greg's mother from any inheritance. She showed up at Logan's funeral with Ewan.@@margarethmichelina5146
@akali83
Жыл бұрын
I really wish someone would do an analysis on Shiv and her mother. That dynamic is so interesting!
@t221000
Жыл бұрын
Maybe 🤔 here on this very channel ❤😅
@Reu8enofleon
Жыл бұрын
Each believes the other exists purely to punish them. Kendall has a singularity of want, Shiv has a singularity of existence.
@jacquelinemuqui
Жыл бұрын
Eyeballs
@dco1487
Жыл бұрын
well they aren't real people so whatever you imagine is the right analysis
@MOTM1234
Жыл бұрын
Its not that interesting. Their mother is a textbook narcissist and vile human
@AREA-jp8vb
10 ай бұрын
It’s so sad that their father made them into not serious people, and then blamed them for it
@mookie1151
8 ай бұрын
Nah, he expected them to be like him simply through blood but realized too late it was not possible because they grew up in different realities.
@margarethmichelina5146
6 ай бұрын
@@mookie1151Kendall is the closest to be the new Logan but too bad Kendall is mostly insecure all the time, impatience and also a drug addict. Also, Kendall wouldn't let anyone to speak and overtalked them while Logan is a good listener, he'll listen to feedbacks most of the time. In Season 4, you can see Kendall slighlty turn to be the new Logan but as soon as he learnt that Logan wrote his name on paper to be his new successor, Kendall is going back to his old self, being insecure spoiled rich kid who thinks he's right and everyone is wrong. He's also abandoning his family just like Logan did but Kendall still wants to make his kid happy but he fails.
@oXogon80
Жыл бұрын
The US missed out on a great man becoming president. Seeing Connor governing his father's estate was an inspirational vision for a better future of society. With inventive hybrid concepts of class and equity oriented to the desires and needs of people, but of their own accord - therefore revolutionizing the welfare state to be libertarian. The world made fairer one sticker at the time.
@molom1741
Жыл бұрын
LOL
@jejsunsedicka7504
Жыл бұрын
Forever a Conhead!
@Mandavee
Жыл бұрын
you know... Connor Roy was interested in politics at a very young age.
@supahluna69
Жыл бұрын
Conheads really do stay winning.
@Dapryor
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@arthuramaral4010
Жыл бұрын
this ending was the perfect way to synthesize the whole purpose of this series
@frankenviews4069
Жыл бұрын
From Adam McKay, it was a big F U to the 1 %
@crusaderpenguin5326
Жыл бұрын
@Frankenviews * In my opinion it’s a bit more complex than that. I don’t believe that wealth makes you good or bad, I think it just makes you more of what you already are. Succession was great for this because it showed what a dysfunctional family (which can happen at any income level) is like when they have the world at their fingertips.
@PublicEnemyMinusOne
Жыл бұрын
@@crusaderpenguin5326 You're right on the button of it makes you more of what you are; Tom is nothing else but a man who likes nice things. He cares little for role of being a puppet, he gives no shits. As long as he continues to eat, sleep, travel and wear all things fine and luxurious, that's okay for him.
@MrRrusiii
Жыл бұрын
what does that even mean
@arthuramaral4010
Жыл бұрын
@@MrRrusiii succession is a very strong commentary on capitalism and nepotism, it was never about which spoiled kid gets to be king or queen
@bassfacer1357
Жыл бұрын
Since the episode aired, I've been awaiting this video with as much anticipation as the episode itself. Your analyses are so much deeper and more poignant than anyone else's.
@filmbrat1
Жыл бұрын
i disagree with the notion that shiv wasn’t being petty. her concerns and reasonings were not valid to me, they were justifications to cover her own ego. i interpreted it as “i can’t have it, so you can’t either”. i don’t think shiv had that much ethical thinking when she left the board room
@KittySnicker
Жыл бұрын
Same here! Completely disingenuous
@giggsy42
Жыл бұрын
Like he says a bunch of kids, these are not serious people, they are a bunch of absolute fuck ups. They couldn't run a bath.
@melodic_ez0657
Жыл бұрын
That was my initial thinking, but I think a part of her decision was Tom becoming CEO. She would rather her husband win over her brother. Also Ken's behavior played a part on it.
@osamintv6135
Жыл бұрын
@@melodic_ez0657 you're agreeing with him. It was just her ego and jealousy. Neither or Roman, they'd rather none of them have it than Kendal getting it.
@jedwuthun
Жыл бұрын
yup, i agree. there was a moment during their argument where she throws kendall a smirk after saying, "i don't think you'd be good at [being a CEO]", and for me that smirk told me everything. she primarily betrayed kendall to spite him (and, on a smaller scale, to save her marriage)
@relaxletgo7105
Жыл бұрын
Funny thing is Ken did battle for power. He lost at EVERY turn, but he did battle fiercely for it. I think this analysis doesnt do justice to his arc
@DudeCrazy198
Жыл бұрын
He was the only kid who ever meaningfully opposed Logan in any capacity.
@j.j.r98
Жыл бұрын
@@DudeCrazy198 and each time he lost cause someone in his family pussied out
@jessetheanimenerd3304
Жыл бұрын
@@j.j.r98 Logan got lucky multiple times. Kendall absolutely would've been CEO long before Season 4 if he didn't have the world's shittiest luck.
@hitthefries
Жыл бұрын
He’s a good fighter but not a good winner imo. As a co CEO sure he was manic and didn’t display leadership skills, but he had his successes. Probably because as co ceo he hasn’t had his prize yet. But whenever he feels confident that he’s winning, he slips up
@j.j.r98
Жыл бұрын
@@hitthefries he slips up because he trusts his family
@AA-qb7ni
Жыл бұрын
The ending was perfect. Of course none of the siblings would win because as Logan said they weren't serious people. Tom coming out on top made sense and he's the best fit for it.
@juanchoresultay2704
Жыл бұрын
After all the the neglected effort he had in the past , he won in the end
@himurahaibara1459
Жыл бұрын
I'd say he's the best dog for it.
@willtorres7250
Жыл бұрын
Gerri was a better choice.
@thee_morpheus
2 ай бұрын
Yeah and thats why Logan ultimately decided to sell prior to his death. He even won in the end from beyond the grave
@abdelrahmansaeed3937
Жыл бұрын
Greatest show ever With heartbreaking ending which suits this tragedy
@raymondsims7042
Жыл бұрын
It’s one of them for sure I actually have succession number 7 on my top ten best shows ever list. So I’ve got it very high. But I can’t objectively say any show is better than the wire. So the wire is still number 1 for me and no show I’ve seen is close
@wrestlinginfodude2644
Жыл бұрын
@@raymondsims7042 still greatest show or atleast top 3 of this decade ,era
@asd-dv7dq
Жыл бұрын
@@raymondsims7042 If you've seen mr robot its definetly better or as good
@raymondsims7042
Жыл бұрын
@@asd-dv7dq mr robot is definitely better than succession. 🤷♂️but it’s not better than the wire. I actually have mr robot third on my all time best shows list. I absolutely love that show
@Paratet
Жыл бұрын
For me, the best part was Shiv trying to make it clear to Kendall that her apprehension and final decision came from a place of love not spite. She knows that Kendall is a mess of a human being and this job could literally kill him.
@bellareid3488
Жыл бұрын
Astute as always. Watching the siblings brawl outside the boardroom made it clear none of them were capable for the CEO job. Roman's grief and emotional breakdown showed a humanity we hadn't previously seen. I came away feeling he might be most well adjusted of the four which is scary thought! lol. Sad this has come to an end.
@lieke7675
Жыл бұрын
I think you forgot about the emotional factor of Shiv's decision. I think she saw the way Roman was bleeding and shrunk in on himself, combined with Kendall's "that's fucking right" after Roman's hesitant vote and saw her father. As she said, she cannot stomach him even though she loves him, she wouldn't be able to stand him as CEO. Also, she is closer to Tom, so she would have slightly more power if it's Tom in the position.
@gmagoo7415
Жыл бұрын
Tom always looks like underdog in front of the Roys, Mattson, even Frank, Karl or Gerry and especially in front of Shiv. Either the way he talks or walks or sits, his posture really shows it. In the final scenes, we see him walking the hallway to CEO's office 7:51 and to the car with the highest level of confidence ever; people getting out of his way as he is now the center of the crowd. The way he sits upright, the way he walks with his head held high gave away the vibes of dominance/ruler. I saw your analysis on Matthew playing Tom and i really loved the part when you mentioned the physical contact. From the moment he won, the physical contact with objects and people are completely gone (except shaking hands for victory) as he doesnt feel nervous, weird and out of place anymore. At final scene in the car, he sits upright, his eyes are cold and he looks overpower Shiv. For the 1st time ever he doesnt reach out for or make physical contact to Shiv first like he used to (at his wedding, at his house, on the boat, at Logan's house the day Logan just died, basically just all the time). Instead, he offers his hand and it leaves to her whether she takes it. There is a moment at 7:57 that Tom sucks in his cheek at the disdain of Shiv's gently half-hearted hand place above his hand and he doesnt even try to hold her hand. He just looks other ways, any other directions rather than looking at Shiv which means he doesnt care about her as much as he used to. It all implies that old Tom is gone. Nonverbal acting sometimes does speak louder than any lines.
@emerald6521
Жыл бұрын
“His own sister would shiv him in the back” I see what you did there. Bravo sir
@rouxbe3595
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis! I’ve seen so many Kendall apologists. He explicitly demonstrated spectacularly bad judgement and poor negotiating skills beginning with the very first episode, and continuing throughout every season. Likewise, so much talk that dismisses Tom’s abilities. Yes, he’s frequently servile, but that is sometimes a necessary and valuable tactic, and that’s not the sum of his skills. He didn’t get to the top solely by marrying Shiv either, and courting her was not easy. She’s a beautiful, intelligent, heiress who could have chosen any one of a large number of men, one may presume, and she can be quite cruel and capricious. He worked his way up through the company, married a valuable ally, survived the cruises scandal he inherited, outcompeted Cyd at ATN. Tom is not just an empty suit. Thank you for laying it out so clearly.
@dansuduhast1051
Жыл бұрын
The moment Kendall sat in their fathers chair and put his feet up on the table, was the moment where the siblings (but especially Shiv) were starting to wobble and rethink their support for Kendall
@KittySnicker
Жыл бұрын
I empathized with Shiv on the gender issues (as a woman), but I did not like her as a person. There’s a reason her nickname is Shiv. She’s always backstabbing. I don’t think she had a genuine objection to Kendall’s leadership because if she did, she should’ve said so instead of giving him hope and then shivving him in the back. On a human level, I relate most to Ken. Shiv didn’t have a good faith objection to his leadership. She just couldn’t stand losing power and she suddenly used the manslaughter against him when he opened up to her in a moment of vulnerability. And Roman was completely out of line with the comments about Ken’s kids and I think he’s a sniveling little freak. That said, Mencken is a piece of shit for looking down on Rome for crying at his dad’s funeral.
@MarylandDude9005
Жыл бұрын
In a nutshell, yes.
@rainywoex5035
Жыл бұрын
+1 I tried to sympathize with Shiv, but she lost me in episode 10. Ken wasn’t entitled to her vote, but he didn’t deserve her callousness and betrayal.
@isaiah7985
Жыл бұрын
I don’t like Mencken but I was happy when he said that remark to Roman. Roman was being a jerk after everyone respected his public grief
@CancelIFR
Жыл бұрын
I think she had come to peace with him being CEO, but then seeing him strut around, put his feet on the desk, and interact with Stewy made her realize that he wasn't the guy.
@omarpacho630
Жыл бұрын
I'll tell you one thing and I'm not ashamed to say it, my estimation of Roman Roy as a man just fucking plummeted.
@giggsy42
Жыл бұрын
Traumatised by the ending, what an immense show
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
PTSD, Post Traumatic Succession Disorder. 😱
@titanicisshit1647
11 ай бұрын
poor junkie multibillionaire not controlling daddy's empire , so traumatizing
@giggsy42
11 ай бұрын
@@titanicisshit1647 hey, don't worry, only people with IQs above 50 will understand the psychological depths which counts you out. Ironic you don't like Titanic, about your intellectual level 👍
@kingconnor4619
Жыл бұрын
This finale went exactly how I wanted it to go actually. Tom and Greg being on top of things being my favorite two characters was awesome. I guess you could say "Tom with some Greg sprinkles". I also (possible unpopular opinion) loved how Kendall didn't get what he wanted in the end. He's always been a horrible person, and in fact, so have all the siblings (except maybe Connor) and in truth I never liked any of them nor did I want them to succeed in the end. Shiv's betrayal makes sense, because in truth she knew Kendall would be genuinely not be a good lead for the company. Despite the uncertain outcome of her relationship with Tom, she ultimately maintained her ties to the company through him. I didn't entirely understand why Roman was still on Ken's side by the end of it, considering Ken's attitude and him lashing out at Roman, but who knows. This ending felt realistic and I liked it. The show Succession ends without a successor.
@DylanLCutshall
Жыл бұрын
You make it sound like Tom hasn't also been a horrible person throughout the show 💀 Sure, I'm a Kendall hater and a Tom+Greg lover like you, but Tom is a very mean, manipulative, narcissistic, and horrible person, exactly like everyone else in the show.
@olivergibbons9581
Жыл бұрын
Also don’t forget that Greg has also shown himself to be a pretty shit person on every level. He only got to where he is at the end through nepotism and a willingness to lie, cheat and backstab. Just because he’s awkward and kind of endearing doesn’t mean he wasn’t just as bad as the siblings.
@KD-ou2np
Жыл бұрын
I think it also makes sense in the larger themes of the show about how these companies and the country is changing. We don't have successions anymore, we don't pass down empires through the bloodline or the eldest boy. And the show is emblematic of that. We are at the end of an era.
@yolisazokufa
Жыл бұрын
except Connor? no way. that guy is so up his own ass he is not able to humanise his trophy wife. he is so embarrassing. Logan makes it clear he is ashamed of Conor. he likes to unsee his kids' red flags except Conor's. Conor whose miserable wife is doing her best to milk this shit situation that she still hopes will fund her plays.
@MetroidPurples
Жыл бұрын
@@olivergibbons9581 Mattsson called him Judas and Tom Jesus. That makes so much more sense now that I think about it.
@kasiatokarz7230
Жыл бұрын
This is all sad. Those adult kids were sculpted by the own parents. It is annoying when your own parents screw you and then you have to fix it to be able to live as a normal person. Honest to God, some people should not have kids at all if they dont have a clue how to be a parent and what it means to raise a child.
@ocean4763
Жыл бұрын
I feel like in so many ways, this was the most obvious decision for Shiv to make. Tom being CEO and her having his kid keeps her adjacent to power and the door still open for her to be a part of the family company after it's sold. Handing it to her brother would be like handing it over to a self-destructive toddler, and she knew it also meant closing the door on herself. Her brothers pushed her out every chance they got, even when she was helping them. I'm sure there was also part of her that felt bitter being once again played by a man at the top. She could get the board votes, but she wasn't able to see Matsson choosing someone else over her and was blinded by feeling so close to "winning" that she didn't see it coming. She finally saw what her father saw in all of them, and none of them were fit to rule.
@chrisb7831
Жыл бұрын
No way Shiv sees herself as unworthy. She still believes she'll have some power by sticking with Tom, but in reality she's going to end up exactly like her mother, who she hates.
@Belisaur
Жыл бұрын
Honestly crazy the water people will carry for a cute redhead smh
@wephilips6651
Жыл бұрын
@@Belisaurit’s about as crazy as how people who claim to hate Mary sue characters yet can’t deal with morally grey or even unlikable female characters. You don’t have to agree with op but the fact you blow it off as some kind of simping says way more about you than anything
@MyaB1986
Жыл бұрын
There's literally no way to tell if she'll stay married to tom. They tried to salvage their marriage three times only this season just for it to blow up. And that final scene in the car also doesn't support it. If Tom has any smarts he'd dump her. No matter the kid. She doesn't care much about the kid anywy and he can pull logan on her and get the custody.
@tamtamr9081
11 ай бұрын
shivs character in the show was always: betraying others for her won self perseverance and a total spitefulness for ken from season 1 ! why does anyone like her is beyond me
@mathijsfrank9268
Жыл бұрын
I think that there is another very tactical reason for shiv's betrayal. When she heard it would be Tom she was furious, but between the time of her finding that out and the board meeting she had time to process. She probably came to the conclusion that with Kendal being the big boss she would lose all her power (just like what happened when kendal and roman took over temporarily). However if it isn't kendall it is her husband with whom she still has a way in. This is the only move for her to have a chance at becoming the big boss herself.
@seal569
Жыл бұрын
That's the way I saw it. By backing Tom she would appear to support him as the dutiful wife and business confident. All the while, paving a way for herself to get the CEO's chair should Tom falter. However if she voted with her brothers, things would be as they were at the beginning of the show, but permanent, with Kendall as CEO, Roman as COO and she'd be out..and that, she couldn't stomach.
@Littletranquility-ck1pi
Жыл бұрын
She choose Tom because she needs Tom to Live. Because she is a Loser in my opinion, she is smart but coward. She doesn't Love Tom but she can't Love anyone . But Tom knows her Who she is and said that to her face that's when Tom actually became important to her. But well Tom is low person really Low. In terms of getting control back Lucas is smart and powerful he needed a puppet he got the best One. So no one has any control over Waystar than Lucas . Shiv played safe like she always did she has too much pride and that will be her fall. Poor Tom its going to miserable for him because she won't leave him😂.
@margarethmichelina5146
6 ай бұрын
@@Littletranquility-ck1pi If I was Tom, right on his wedding after he learnt from Greg that Shiv cheated on him with Nate, I'll leave Shiv in the altar alone and then I get the fuck out of her and her horrible family and also just marry Greg instead.
@@Littletranquility-ck1pi Why not? Greg is his Sporus afterall.
@michalalinn
Жыл бұрын
As soon as Kendall got word that Mattson was talking to Vaulter, I knew history was going to repeat itself and he was going to fail. It was never his destiny.
@tamtamr9081
11 ай бұрын
i dont understand people that say this.. the only reason hes never in charge is because his siblings are too envious to let him.. he appears on many levels to be able to lead the company
@michalalinn
11 ай бұрын
@@tamtamr9081 I mean from a story telling perspective, they foreshadow that Kendall will fail. It is almost like a Greek tragedy where the idea of fate is dominant.
@ajreveles4284
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s unfair to say that the abilities of the ceo had anything to do with shiv’s decision, she would rather not lose and that’s clear. Tom is far less of a killer than Kendall, that is the very reason he was chosen as a puppet. Like all the Roy siblings, Shiv has severe narcissism and cannot allow her brother to take the victory from her after seeing how smug he was, laying back in Logan’s chair with his feet on the desk. Shiv wanted the position for herself and could not care less about real qualifications given her own candidacy for the position.
@erubin100
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. The whole "I don't think you can do it" thing was just an excuse. Plus, like the video said, she has "options" like being Tom's baby-mama.
@jl1836
Жыл бұрын
@@erubin100 Dude, that argument is so dumb because Tom is NOT the successor and he doesn't have power, he is just a puppet CEO so definitely Shiv didn't chose him because of power.
@SoulPatroller
Жыл бұрын
@@jl1836 Agreed! She's even more independently wealthy after the sale. She doesn't need Tom for anything.
@erubin100
Жыл бұрын
@@jl1836 Maybe you should get a life instead of insulting other peoples' opinions, "Dude!"
@g.n_j9286
Жыл бұрын
That's true, she only hated to see one of her siblings in the chair, and tom won the position because he is just a puppet, it has nothing to do with his "strategic " moves
@widowswail888
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for your take on it since the episode aired and you certainly did not disappoint. You tackled every point of this show and explained it very eloquently. Bravo!
@dr1kk3r
Жыл бұрын
Nah, Shiv commenting on Kendall not being suitable for the throne based on the killing was just a masterful way from the writers to portrait, with subtlety, how they use everything and anything against each other when they have to, and also it helped to show how Kendall again fucked it up and lied and twisted the truth. In the end, they all had what they deserved. I'm just happy for Roman to be able to break out of it. We all as spectators feel so desperate for them, and it fascinates me, since, let's not forget, after the inflated selling price, they're all still billionaires and prolly are richer now than ever :)))
@alatielinara
Жыл бұрын
yeah she just enjoyed hurting him and Kendall was using his defensive mechanism - he would say anything to escape danger and confrontation. He is still scared young boy, and Shiv is jelaous of his special connection with their father, despite the fact that this connection is what's killing Ken. I don't think Roman broke out of anything though. Ken, on the other hand, has the chance. The scary thing happened to him, he is at bottom, but that can make him rebuilt his life. Roman will still be where he was at the very start.
@lukemurphy6244
Жыл бұрын
They're all Terrible People
@robotmessiah3621
Жыл бұрын
Shiv's ending was the saddest to me. Kendall and Roman had a melancholic ending but at least they are free. She's stuck with Tom and Matsson. I would hate that.
@OzyMandias13
Жыл бұрын
Maybe she decided to break the cycle she grew up in and threw herself into being a mother for their child? If you want to believe that I mean. The beauty of the show is it included the story at a point where there is justification to believe they could be inspired to change, or they were exactly who they were going to be for the rest of their lives.
@sophiasage1379
Жыл бұрын
Shiv is a billionaire. She could leave Tom, she’s choosing her fate.
@pineapplebanana11
Жыл бұрын
good point
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
@@sophiasage1379 People keep saying Shiv is stuck with Tom but with her money she can go wherever she likes.
@photoshopdepth
Жыл бұрын
She singlehandedly did it to herself, did she not?
@jeremisavard4146
Жыл бұрын
Getting backstabbed right at the end by your sister called "Shiv" is truly Shakespearian
@KadayiPolokov
Жыл бұрын
There were a couple of key things about Tom that people overlook, the first being that despite his obsequious nature to Logan, he was quite clearly very good at whatever job he was given, even if he was a bit of a bully. Despite the initial poor impression Tom may have made with Matsson in Norway, it wasn't lost on him at Logan's Funeral that Tom was absent attending to the election fallout at ATN when it came up in conversation, demonstrating that he was a work first person. Secondly, despite Shiv downplaying him and saying she would be OK with Matsson firing Tom, she sold Tom in terms of his actual proficiencies as a pretty competent manager who was doing a good job running ATN after the departure of The Peach. Thirdly, when Shiv and Matsson broached a deal with Shiv as CEO Mencken uttered some German phrase (Kinder Küche Kirche), which translates as 'Children, Kitchen, Church' outlining his views on the role of woman, which wasn't lost on n Matsson. If there was going to be a deal, and they were going to get along it would have to be a male CEO. That Tom also just rolled with punches in that 'interview' was the clincher, because he demonstrated that he could take punishment and not lose his cool when it came from above.
@notacynic677
9 ай бұрын
this is true however i would also like to point out that "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" was a nazi propaganda phrase which also served to show how mencken was....right wing shall we say
@napdaily
Жыл бұрын
So did Marcia lose both her board votes? Remember in earlier season they were complaining about Marcia getting 2 board votes. What ever happened with that? Or did she lose them when Logan and her split up?
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
Good question.
@Multiceps
Жыл бұрын
No, she never got place on the board because siblings never signed documents for that. In the first season, Logan tried to push them to do so, but collapsed before negotiation was completed, but after he back on track his and Marcia relationship fell apart.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
@@Multiceps Later on the siblings discuss that Marcia might have two seats on the board. Jesse might have put that in there for some reason. 🤔
@Multiceps
Жыл бұрын
@obscurum6 I think she had some votes already at the start of the series and meant to have Logan's votes as well after his death, but he died without relevant documents.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
@@Multiceps But he ended up dying before he changed his will, which is why Marcia got the house.
@anubislee36
Жыл бұрын
Shyv is not REMOTELY this logical. It doesn't matter if it shouldn't be Ken. It doesn't matter if it should be Tom. She is too jealous of Ken to let him "win" and she is too scared to leave her loveless marriage. If nothing else was true, these would be enough reason for her decision
@JoyaLewisTheMusician
4 ай бұрын
2:16 the crazy part about that is it’s literally his father’s funeral. wouldn’t people be MORE understanding about him breaking down and crying? like??
@Fourtune1
3 ай бұрын
Yes but everything is a business deal or angle for these people.
@glitchburgh4249
Жыл бұрын
“Excellence isn’t something you’re simply born into, it’s something you must battle to become.”
@nilufer6638
Ай бұрын
I find it perfectly chosen that you ended the video with the scene where we see Logan‘s scars, emphasising his battle to finally become the emperor he is.
@Jake_AC
Жыл бұрын
I was impressed the show runners were willing to end the show this way. They strung the audience along and implied the company would be handed to one of the kids on a silver platter. I never expected them to put the kids in their place the way they did in the end.
@jordachejordan90
Жыл бұрын
Really good writing that subverted expectations.
@WrangleMcDangle
Жыл бұрын
it made sense. none of the characters deserved to be fulfilled or happy, just like their real life counterparts
@erubin100
Жыл бұрын
They definitely fool us into thinking one of them would win by making us sympathize with them on some level, but ultimately remind us that these are shitty, childish people (one of whom is literally a murderer) that really don't deserve to win in the end.
@Luneytoon
Жыл бұрын
Shiv has the same role again, subservient to the CEO who’s also her family. Roman understands himself now and can finally enjoy the small things in life like how he sipped and smiled at his Martini And Kendall… Kendall is still drowning but That finale is his origin story.
@Pinksugarelephant
Жыл бұрын
Why would she be subservient to him? She's a billionaire who has nothing to do with the company anymore. Her husband is way below her in terms of power and influence. He's the CEO, not the owner. Even the director described their relationship as much more balanced but she still has the upper hand. The director also said there is no happy ending for Roman or Kendall. It's all in his podcast.
@angelcitystudio
Жыл бұрын
And there was never a back that Shiv would not plunge her knife into..... That is how I finally was able to accept this sad ending.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
They ALL backstabbed each other.
@morganmorris2433
Жыл бұрын
I gotta say I disagree about Shiv. I think she said no to Kendall purely because she can’t let others (especially her siblings) win.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
Kendall would do the same as Shiv.
@pluckybellhop66
Жыл бұрын
Why can't it be both? I know what it's like to learn something traumatizing about a family member, it desensitizes how you feel towards them and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think Shiv was being 100% selfish, maybe more like 75%.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
@@pluckybellhop66 When Kendall reacted arrogantly to Roman's vote, then attacked Roman, then said he lied about murdering the guy, then attacked Shiv when she is pregnant, at that point she and Roman turned against Kendall. They will probably forgive him in season five, but Kendall won't forgive Shiv.
@tamtamr9081
11 ай бұрын
but people forget he has a reason to be angry.. the betrayal was so painful on so many levels.. they supported each other through this.. in the end our of pure spite they still cant give the postion to ken even when its thier last hope for family control.. then they call his kids randos!! how can he not be angr??? i feel like hes always been the better sibling to them! and chiv just cant stand he has what it takes to lead but she doeesnt @@obscurum6
@renato.bakaadv
Жыл бұрын
I think the writers don’t like Kendal. He could perfectly be CEO
@rexsmith9074
Жыл бұрын
Tom is in no way loyal. He literally betrayed Shiv again in this episode. Kendall is a disaster, but a lot of this video is rationalization. Matsson also faked his numbers and mailed blood to one of his employees he's harassing. He's a huge risk to own the company. Shiv told you why she did it, she could not stomach Kendall as CEO. It might be the right decision, but she made it out of jealousy.
@ozkancagatay
Жыл бұрын
"Shiv him in the back." I suppose Shiv's name was intentionally chosen for her betrayal in the end. It's So meaningfull so logical so reasonable!
@grahammcrae4277
Жыл бұрын
I loved how the concept of succession, as in ‘inherenting the title’, was to be fulfilled with Shiv’s offspring. The reign, the bloodline of the Roy’s continued, albeit with Tom’s genes in the mix.
@tatianachristiansen2950
Жыл бұрын
The comment made by Marsha re “he made you a playground and you think it is the world” is so spot on. It sums up so much.
@AnastasiaBelova27
Жыл бұрын
saying Tom won through meritocracy is a bit much 😂 but overall true
@mariaphillips2664
Жыл бұрын
You never miss great analysis as always hope you can analyse oeach relationship or dynamic like Tom and shiv,Gerri and Roman, Shiv and her Mother,Logan and Kendall etc. Keep up the good work.
@melodic_ez0657
Жыл бұрын
I kinda see a future for Kendal where he asks Rava how to be a better father. He knows hes a bad father and he could still salvage something with the kids. But then at the end of season 3 he was saying how he felt disconnected from the kids so who knows, he might just get back on drugs.
@frankenviews4069
Жыл бұрын
I love that spin off, like Fraiser to Cheers. Ken in the domestic life as a house husband , always emasculated by this wife and kids because of the kind of dad he was in the past. Like Henry Hill living the suburban life at the end of Goodfellas.
@defragsbin
Жыл бұрын
I don't think he has the tools to do it -- just as his father would never try to self-reflect and do therapy, Ken is a long way away from accepting blame for his own actions. Throughout all four seasons, I think the only real guilt was after the accident, but even now he's basically put it out of his mind. It wouldn't even surprise me if he feels angry about it and blames the guy after Shiv used it as a reason for blocking the deal.
@cWjkL8ysxOkrH66
Жыл бұрын
Shiv would never get the chance to play as equal to her brothers, the show is constantly reminding us of the fact that because of her genre she is always seen as a prop, not the real thing. That's why she'd rather end the match altogether. She didn't "win" per se, but she's in the winning side.
@purplefishy8164
Жыл бұрын
"They're sheltered from competition, insulated from consequence, and isolated from compassion" god damn
@wephilips6651
Жыл бұрын
At the time was a bit confused about shiv but after talking to my mum I think she made ir more sense. Kendall immediately going into business boy dick mode. He probably wouldn’t have been good for the company and by going against him she has Tom running things plus all the money she has from the sale. Safer bet for future with a baby than betting it all on Kendall. A desire to be done with it all? I don’t think there’s one any clear reason but enough vague things to make it understandable, to me. And interesting. I think I had forgotten how annoying and ill suited to the job he is because you don’t see it that much in this season…. I think also maybe she trusted Tom more than her brothers to (a) be competent and b) protect her interests and future. Maybe without the baby it might have been different. I think she made the right call. Ken did some very good speeches but his personal interactions weren’t great and his reaction to shiv made up her mind. Not just the fact he lost but how he started lying about the boy and started whining less about how he could do and more how much he wanted it and it should his. Ultimately it was probably best for them all that they sold and could make some kind of clean break…maybe even for Kendall as well, although I did still feel sorry for him to get that close…again…
@daediaz186
Жыл бұрын
I surprisingly do not agree? I think Shiv didn't thought that far ahead, in "what the future would look like with kendall", just that it was torture for her looking at him act like a king. The video of her dad acting all smiles with his employees triggered the memory of being kept outside and she started to doubt her decision, Kendall's attitude and lack of acknowledgment of her and roman at the board cemented it. You took the "I don't think you would be good at the job" at face value, but it wasn't- it was an excuse that she could hold on to so she could hide the hurtful truth. And it was used as an attack also because Kendall wouldn't leave her alone. She even says it with a smile on her face. Maybe it was true that Kendall wasn't capable and maybe she thought that too, but it didn't influence her decision. There's a change in the way she says that and the "I love you but I can't stomach you", which was the only part that was honest. Even Jesse says that she sabotaged herself. She made the wrong choice for herself. If she had thought rationally, she could have seen that Kendall as a CEO was not the end of it all, she very well could have coup the king in the future. Or tried to at least.
@jahnavisharma6562
Жыл бұрын
Yes I think this was clear self sabotage too
@jl1836
Жыл бұрын
Shiv only "sabotaged herself" because she ended the competition with her choice. She chose to sell the company, so there would not be a succession. She can't keep playing the game, that's all what Jesse meant. She does love Kendall but in a conflicting way, just like she loves her fater, Roman, Tom, her mother and everyone in her life. She does love Ken, but she can't handle how he acts as a CEO because he does change when he's in that position and it's pretty damn obvious, not only for the audience, but for Shiv as well. Of couse, she also think she could be better at the job, while being resentful because she was always kept outside of the possibily of being "the successor" just because she is a women. So it's pretty logical that "she can't stomach" Ken in that position and that is congruent with her other reasons, there are not contradicting reasons.
@kamoheloiannk617
Жыл бұрын
In season 1 Kendall got Waystar out of debt and served Logan that Bear Hug. Season 2 he got the meetings with Rhea when Logan wanted to buy PGN... Kendall's a lot more competent than y'all give him credit for . He is emotionally weak though.
@lumieremarketing6147
Жыл бұрын
COPE. Ken sucks. The only argument is what is Shiv's why. The case is closed on Ken sucking though. You all really think this is what it takes to be CEO of a multi-billion dollar media conglomerate? How disconnected from reality have we become.
@HayzeusUK
Жыл бұрын
He also overpaid for Vaulter, tanked the no-confidence vote, failed to capitalize on the cruises scandal and failed at trying to kill the GoJo deal so badly that Matsson ended up over-paying for Waystar. He's got more business sense than Shiv and Roman, but that's really not saying much.
@lumieremarketing6147
Жыл бұрын
@@HayzeusUK I would argue that Roman has the sharpest instincts out of all of them. That natural Logan Gut. He knows what the right call is. The scale of his other issues makes that meaningless though. Kendall couldn't even make the call and back Mencken.
@kamoheloiannk617
Жыл бұрын
@@HayzeusUK lol that's saying enough. That's enough for Stewy to back him , enough to let him have a run at it, he wouldn't be great but he'd definitely be better than we think. It's also cause of his privilege his never actually had to to prove himself, this would be that. Also Logan would've overpaid for PGN. They kids bought it for 10 and he was prepared to go 21 in season 2. Kendall's disadvantage has always been optics he's the one serious person no one takes seriously because of his emotional weakness which he still only shows to family.
@kamoheloiannk617
Жыл бұрын
@@lumieremarketing6147 made the right call about Mencken? Who ended up fucking them cause he cried at the worst time?
@dignityputnam6641
Жыл бұрын
I've seen a lot of videos about the ending of Succession, but this here is a gem. Your contents are always great; this one is a truly exceptional analysis hit the characters, twist, and motifs of the show on their heads.
@creambot
Жыл бұрын
"we're bullshit" was the best line of the series.
@tanitavga
Жыл бұрын
When you said "born at the finish line", I thought that it perfectly encompasses the siblings! Such a great description.
@elaynerc
Жыл бұрын
The last line was beautiful. Great video! Very well written.
@vaibhavsaini3017
Жыл бұрын
Kendall Roy : The man who couldn't be king
@angelbedolla347
Жыл бұрын
Shiv betrayed him Kendall several times through out the show so there was no surprise there. However, there was zero evidence that Tom is CEO material. What did he ever do to give him the CEO position? He is simply a puppet to Lucas who will be sleeping with his wife.
@ravedubin3983
Жыл бұрын
1. Yes 2. Not necessarily
@melaniewut
Жыл бұрын
He’s someone who will be following orders and be a figurehead CEO - exactly what Lucas wants
@zoepalomera4322
Жыл бұрын
Because with Tom, Mattson gets to be CEO all and all
@GeebleTron
Жыл бұрын
I don't think Lucas would sleep with Shiv, as the Characature of him being puppeted by her clearly bothered him and sleeping with her would only strengthen the perception that was what was happening. Rather, I think he told Tom that to see his reaction, and when Tom is able to stomach it, he knows Tom will take any blow for his gain. It was a test and Tom passed.
@TheRockerX
Жыл бұрын
Shiv will 100% cheat on Tom with Mattson. And Tom will be powerless to stop them. I feel bad for Shiv and Tom's kid
@Schrodinger_
Жыл бұрын
I don't think Logan was tricking Shiv and using her like Mattson. I think Logan genuinely wanted to give her the role. But he expected her to be humble, acknowledge her lack of experience and be eager to learn the ropes from Gerri and the others. Instead she acted arrogant, started talking like a top exec, thinking she could run things from day one. Then he just thought "wtf have I done" and tried to weasel out of it. Recall, in the episode after he offered it to her, he laid out a 2 year plan for Shiv to follow and learn from Gerri and then Karl. Shiv refused, saying that 2 years is _too long._
@sadie513
Жыл бұрын
Nah. Logan wanted her on his side coz Gil, the politician she was working for, wanted to impose policies that will hurt Waystar. Logan never wanted any of the kids to be CEO. He knows they aren't serious people coz he never prepared them.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
@@sadie513 Logan was a shitty failure of a father who then blamed his children for his shitty parenting.
@alatielinara
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. She never did anything in lines of actual work and still felt entitled to it. Because she never wanted the work, but wanted to be favourite
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
@@alatielinara No way. 🙄 She had the political contacts and experience, she knew how to cultivate business relationships and run the business true to Logan's legacy.
@obscurum6
Жыл бұрын
No CEO should or could be "humble". 🙄
@Julian-jd5yj
Жыл бұрын
The real succession were the friends we made along the way
@ledzepp817
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Shiv voted first instead of being the last deciding vote would she have voted “No”.
@hortusxdeliciarum
Жыл бұрын
Suggesting Tom's """"success"""" is a result of a functioning meritocracy is a bold choice.
@kiratherenegade1561
Жыл бұрын
As much as I want to say the ending is great - I just can't. Tom should've divorced Shiv in the end. The final nail in the 'siblings are done' coffin. They missed a step & I worry they were pressured into having a woman 'win.' And you misread Shiv. She wasn't worried Kendall would be bad. She was worried he'd be good & better than her. That was what she couldn't stomach. Total eclipse of herself. That was not what she wanted.
@moadewunmi9380
Жыл бұрын
When has Kendall held onto the success he secured? He always pisses it away. If anything I’d be like Gerri and wonder if we should just take the money and run.
@fergie42069
Жыл бұрын
love love love this channel! (please do one on the tragedy of Sally Reed)
@Cold84
Жыл бұрын
Everyone talks about how each of the children are bad to lead the company, but I don't think enough is said about how bad Mattson is for them either. I wish I could find where he was talking about his ideas for what to do with it, and they sounded like he didn't know what he was buying and had a set direction that he wanted to dramatically change what they are going after. On top of his money is fudged to even get the company that he overpaid for and he seems like just as much of a risk - if not more because at least Kendall knew the company and people in it.
@OthMar39
Жыл бұрын
I think the finale was very realistic and satisfying… other than Shiv, no one lost anything. She just got herself into a worst relationship you can imagine, I agree with the theory says that Shiv will repeat her mother’s unstable marriage with Logan… She has a superpower of choosing the wrong thing. for Tom, I don’t think he won anything, he stays a cheap servant as ever, and Madison can get rid of him whenever he want. Kindle and Roman were lucky because they didn’t get the chance to destroy the company into the ground… maybe in the future they start the company that they were talking about at the beginning of the season, who knows.
@wdgz245
Жыл бұрын
I disagree about Tom. All he wanted was to rise through the ranks and he did. Even if Matsson gets rid of him, it won't be without a fat paycheck as well as newfound opportunities and connections. With this title and that company, the world is your oyster. It's just the beginning for Tom.
@uglybetty8747
Жыл бұрын
@@wdgz245exactly! It won’t be easy to kick him out just like dat cuz he knows the game now
@Littletranquility-ck1pi
Жыл бұрын
Greg Won😂. He is really something (not good).
@72thekel
Жыл бұрын
Hi i just wanted to say thanks a bunch, your reviews got me into the show & I have loved every minute of it. Cheers!
@t221000
Жыл бұрын
I was hoping to see a video about the finale and you didn’t disappoint. These siblings were taught from birth to betray other people. I could easily see Shiv spill Kendall’s secrets if he was CEO.
@OzyMandias13
Жыл бұрын
They colored in just enough to leave the audience with that feeling of unease that was so masterfully achieved in different ways, and expressed through various characters throughout the show.
@Cascadierra7179
Жыл бұрын
Hands down the best recap video
@originaozz
Жыл бұрын
Shiv rarely ever choose and always lose because she likes playing both sides. Every time she did though, it was against Kendall. From asking her dad to not let Tom be the fall guy, to now. It could be just the mere spite towards Kendall, but in a perverse way her love towards Tom for taking her kicks & still coming back. I don't think theirs will be a happy marriage, but at least they will both get what they want out of the relationship, now more honestly & bitterly than ever.
@rangoooo2312
6 ай бұрын
I just realised Tom done the thing right that originally made Logan doubt Kendall: he missed Logan’s funeral to sort out business, even though that was an emotional decision for him. Kendall chose to go to his father’s birthday party in place of an important meeting. Kind of mind blowing that link back to ep 1 actually
@RisitasKEKW
Жыл бұрын
Kendall didn’t kill anyone. That waiter grabbed the wheel and turned it 90 degrees into the lake.
@moviesforever8805
Жыл бұрын
I wanted a spin off of Greg where he ultimately becomes the next CEO
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