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@omidiartgaming4102
Жыл бұрын
I remember when I played this on my bro's old PSX, I thought it was a pita, because of the menu LOL. But the game ultimately was very enjoyable. Suikoden going into 3D space was just a move too soon imo... late 2000s, the combat landscape of JRPG has changed so much, turned based games were just not as interesting anymore in all honesty. I found myself playing more action JRPG than turn based. I think a lot of games just adapted to this a bit late and some just never got a chance.
@tacklebox_82
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden II and IV are my favorite out of the ones I played. I could not get into III due to the separate stories. II was the first one I played and I really enjoyed the ship battles and story of IV.
@AngryCosmonaut
Жыл бұрын
I order them as 2, 5, 3, 1, 4. I replayed S5 a couple years ago on an emulator and was surprised how well it held up since its release, long prologue and weird 108 stars ending aside. Hopefully we'll get a 3+4+5 remaster (or at least a port) if this collection does well. If they do make a S6 I think I'd like it to be set in Armes rather than Harmonia, I feel like we need just another game or two before reaching Harmonia.
@tacklebox_82
Жыл бұрын
@@AngryCosmonaut I have yet to play 5 but want to. What do you think of eiyuden chronicle?
@AngryCosmonaut
Жыл бұрын
@@tacklebox_82 Looking forward to it! Kickstarted it, looking forward to it! Looks like we'll be getting Suikoden in Spring and Eiyuden in the Fall/Winter.
@jeffvedana5764
7 ай бұрын
I came to this video because of the news of Yoshitaka Murayama.. Long live legend of suikoden and eternal thank you for creating this wonderful game!
@christopherross4763
Жыл бұрын
2 gets all the love and for good reason but I still love the protagonist from 1 and the Soul Eater rune.
@darthcravus
Жыл бұрын
And getting tir in your party. Is awesome in 2 and at one point both tenkai stars do a true runic unite
@friednoodle6582
Жыл бұрын
I mean 2 is basically just 1 but better in every aspect of the game, my only disappointment in it is Luca wasn't the main Villain, although recruiting Tir in 2 remedied that for me. Yeah I know I'm contradicting myself.
@brentabel5094
Жыл бұрын
Yah but 12 year old me flipped shit when Viktor and flik showed up after I thought they died in the end of one.
@ericschauer5950
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I love 5 it doesn't get enough love
@LEXICON-DEVIL
Жыл бұрын
Can you swap out the main character in your party cus he ugly lookin and everyone else looks so bad assss.
@TheMiyazakiMan
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden changed my life and as a big fan of yours, I am so happy you made this! I watched the Philoharmic Orchestra play a poem to Suikoden Live in October live this year for my birthday. Top 5 moments ever! The music, the characters, the story, just unmatchable! I am hoping 1 day for Suikoden 6. I would love to have you on as a guest on the Miyazaki Man podcast to talk all things games and Suikoden and your channel! Audience of up to 17,000 usually. Keep doing what you're doing, it is great stuff and truly valued!
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the praise, and my fingers are crossed with you that there will be a Suikoden VI.
@johndemler838
Жыл бұрын
I loved 3. The foray into 3D gave it such charm. The music was great, especially rhe victory fanfare. And I love the Trinity System. I'm actually playing this on ps2 today. 2 had the amazing cooking game, and 1 introduced me to exploiting in-game betting mechanisms. 4 & 5 I don't have fond memories of, but are still worthy of a playthrough. If there are more games, I haven't played them!
@HollowRick
Жыл бұрын
5 is definitely worth a playthrough it's the game of thrones of the suikoden series stay away from 4 tho it'd god awful
@Sugatonin
Жыл бұрын
@@HollowRick agreed on. Suikoden Tierkries was really good too
@zakunick1
Жыл бұрын
I made it a decent way into Tierkries. As soon as I realized it wasn’t connected to the others, I stopped playing. I bought a DS to play it.
@missingLEGACY
Жыл бұрын
If you can find a copy there is Suikoden tactics, which acts as a direct prequel to Suikoden 4. I also really love 3 btw.
@gandix5516
Жыл бұрын
My brother loved 3 the most by a large margin. It might even be his favorite game ever. I loved the story but had it 4th. 2-5-1-3-4. I absolutely loved the story in 5. Fantastic. I spent countless hours reading suikosource in high school n it’s such a shame it ended. I’ve gotten so many people into the series I almost feel guilty 😂
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your memories and glad you love the series too!
@missingLEGACY
Жыл бұрын
I've personally always had a hard time getting any of my friends to try it, so I've only gotten like one or two people into the series over the years.
@TheTomtaru
Жыл бұрын
they're actually rereleasing Suikoden 1&2 :D
@gandix5516
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomtaru I’ve beaten both games so many times, I’d be very interested in that. A small part of me is glad they didn’t continue the series. Once the person who originally had the Vision and story for that world is replaced, it could only lead to disappointing conclusions and many inconsistencies. Perfect example, Star Wars.
@OMGmyFACE
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden really got me into JRPGs and through some tough times, I'm always revisiting the first two _and_ I spent way too much on the Eiyuden kickstarter. I'll forever love this franchise so much.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
You and me both! Can't wait for Eiyuden Chronicle.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
@@doomlordkaka yep, can't wait!
@maldeventre
Жыл бұрын
@@doomlordkaka suikoden 1 & 2 are being remastered?
@ralphdelapaz119
Жыл бұрын
Im playing through all the suikodens using emulators in my phone...just finished suikoden tactics and now starting suikoden 5 im currently at rainwall after the fall of falena
@maldeventre
Жыл бұрын
@@doomlordkaka ohh this is some good news thx! You made my day
@randalthor2859
Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this one honestly. Suikoden 2 is definitely the best of the 3 I've played.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy then!
@mister-x2
Жыл бұрын
Playing Suikoden 1&2 back to back is probably my favorite jRPG experience, and something I did several times because of the games are relatively short. I even tried to play the Suikogaiden visual novels despite not understanding japanese. I have very fond memories of 3 which I found to be very charming, and I liked 4 (despite being probably the lowest rated by fans and me hating maritime settings). By the time I played S5 and Tactics, I was already getting burned out on jRPGs and didn't even finish them. Looking forward to those remasters and Eiyuden.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Those two were indeed such a good back to back experience. Hoping Eiyuden recaptures that magic!
@brothergrok
Жыл бұрын
I burnt out on JRPG's a long time ago, so I feel ya. However, a bit off topic.... if you haven't played Persona 5 Royale, you're missing out! I was hooked. First JRPG i've played in years and I loved it.
@thetrustysidekick3013
Жыл бұрын
I don't remember much from when I used to play these games as a kid, but what I do remember is the feeling I felt when I did. I remember Suikoden 2 really making emotional when I finished the game. Ah what a time to be a kid back then.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
It was an emotional ending regardless of which one you got, for sure!
@suchendelokidottir5673
Жыл бұрын
This series and Wild Arms are the games that made me a gamer. I wish they would adapt it to Android
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Wild Arms was a great series too...the upcoming spiritual successor to that should be fun too!
@Bonkikavo
Жыл бұрын
You can emulate it with some PS1 emulator or RetroArch, on android phone or dedicated handheld device.
@redheero656
Жыл бұрын
I apologize for ending up breaking my original copy of Suikoden II, it was actually played to death.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Now that's a special achievement!
@joshuamcneely3028
Жыл бұрын
I remember when the 1st one came out. It's one of my favorite games. I can't wait until the HD remastered games come out.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to try them.
@planescaped
Жыл бұрын
I had no idea there was an HD remaster coming. Hell yeah, now I just need Breath of Fire 3 and Wild Arms on my Switch.
@joshuamcneely3028
Жыл бұрын
@@planescaped it looks really good.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
@@planescaped Breath of Fire and Wild Arms both have spiritual successors coming too!
@TheOldest
Жыл бұрын
With how successful Octopath Traveler became recently, it makes me happy that this type of presentation is being accepted and appreciated. I hope that means maybe we can bring back XenoGears and Tales of Phantasia with a similar uplift that keeps a similar presentation. Or just port them.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more!
@planescaped
Жыл бұрын
I've read Outlaws of the Marsh a good 3 or 4 times over the years, all because I loved Suikoden so much. Wu Song is a total bro. The soundtrack to the Suikoden series I've always found to be rather forgettable personally despite people often lauding it. Though I do love Exceeding Love.
@jeffjackson9679
Жыл бұрын
Great summary of the series. Never played the first 2, so i can't comment on those. Agree with you on the main series for the PS2. Could never get into 3. Beat it, but had no desire to replay it, even years later. Game just felt like it dragged on too long. Part 4 (like you said) doesn't deserve all the hate it gets. It was very short, you can get to the final boss within 20 hrs. of gameplay, although you will probably have to grind a bit to beat him, wish they would have fleshed out the MC better, he had the personality of a doorknob, still a solid game, better than 3 IMO. 5 was a masterpiece, one of the best stories in any RPG I've played. Other than the slow starting, and towns that are overly huge without purpose, still a great game. Would disagree with you on Tactics, I have to admit you have to like Strategy JRPGs (like FF Tactics) to like this game, but I thought it was a great game. It IS hard, which may turn off some people used to the ease of getting through the main series of the game, and you will probably have to do some grinding. Yes, the battles are long, but that is the norm for these type of games (same could be said for FF Tactics as well as the Valkyria Chronicles series), but if you want a challenge, this is a good game to pick up. But it's not for everyone.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate all these thoughts. Sounds like we agree on a lot. I know a lot of people like Tactics more than I and I respect that.
@DS4__
Жыл бұрын
Great video, I hope the series can keep going strong if the remasters + Eiyuden do well. Been playing through them all for the first time recently and I am loving Suikoden 5 the most while going through it, but 2, 1 & 3 were amazing experiences, especially 2! Don't think 4 is as bad as most people say either (love the music!), and I look forward to giving Tierkreis + Woven web a try one day.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I too hope the remasters and Eiyuden are great. I think there is more momentum for this series to continue now than at any point since it went defunct.
@DS4__
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor For sure! It was the remaster announcement that caught my eye at first. Them after searching about what Suikoden was, it was the fans of the series putting out great content like yours which made me decide to give it a try and see why these games are so beloved, hope many others do the same!
@densha63
Жыл бұрын
Hello and Happy New Year! My all-time and personal fave will always be Suikoden 2 and 5. Suikoden 4 and 5 I think are underrated seeing the sales record, specially 5. Not sure if it's because it was released very late in the PS2 life cycle. In terms of the story, I love all of them. But in terms of the gameplay and battle system, Suikoden 3 felt the weakest for me followed by 4. Moving forward, I am looking forward for Eiyuden Chronicles as well as the Reworked Suiko 1 and 2.
@GAMASUTRA_ita
Жыл бұрын
in your retrospective on the Suikoden saga I agree 100% of the concepts you expressed. in my reviews of Suikoden 3, 4 and 5 many of the things you said are things I actually said too. you have all my respect in my opinion you are a true expert admirer of Suikoden (like me 😁)
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this feedback! Glad you enjoyed it.
@MilichOppenheimer
Жыл бұрын
I just found out about this series maybe a month ago. I finished one and now I'm absolutely enjoying two. I can't wait to see what else this holds! Awesome time on the video drop for me lol
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm jealous you get to experience the series for the first time. A lot of sweet things are in store for you!
@StephenLewisUniverse
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden III might be my favorite game of all time! The writing is top notch. The world feels alive in a way few JRPGs realize. Seeing the events from multiple perspectives paint this completely realized conflict. It has its flaws but every one of these games do. Name me a more memorable group than Geddoe and his crew! The music is hit or miss, I do agree on that, however the nostalgic wave that hits me when I hear Vinay del Zexay is one of a kind. I find myself disagreeing with some parts of your take on 4. Guys seriously if you watch this the era Suikoden IV was released in is in no doubt marred by bad voice acting but even among a sea of crap Suikoden IV has bad voice acting. The damn cats. Please look up cutscenes of the cats running around yelling for a good laugh but it won't be you laughing with the game. Suikoden IV has promise but never lives up to it. The story is rushed and often times nonsensical. The strategist never does any strategizing. The game feels like it is going through the motions to get you to the end. The encounter rate even for that era was extremely high. There is no charm. It was great to see Ted show up but it does feel like it is there only as nostalgia bait. The best news is that the sequel - Suikoden Tactics (or Rhapsodia depending on what country you live in) fills in the story gaps. It makes the islands feel alive, it fleshes out characters and motivations, it does a hell of a job salvaging what I perceive as a rush job with Suikoden IV. I would suggest everyone play Suikoden IV only if you realize it is half the "Suikoden IV" story and intend to play Tactics afterwards.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Fair enough, I can understand the merits of Suikoden III. Appreciate your input!
@StephenLewisUniverse
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor aye, was a bit negative in my original run through on that comment but revised it. Nice to see Suikoden getting some love at any rate. Can't wait for those remasters and playing them with a better translation.
@jgmaurer31
Жыл бұрын
Say what you will, but I think that 3 is the best. And I will die on that hill.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Fair enough!
@dwyurr
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden 3 is one of my favorite games of all time excited to play 1 & 2 remasters on Switch, hopefully they all get remastered
@altha21
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden 4 is my personal favorite, because without it I would have never discovered and played the rest of the series.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Now that's a unique take! But glad to hear that was your starting point.
@nathan3859
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden 4 was great. I only hated how many random battles there were.
@zakunick1
Жыл бұрын
I just really like saying “ Lino En Kuldis”.
@OkaRin1
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Suikoden remasters get a good reception, will Capcom and Sega make Breath of Fire and Phantasy Star games remasters/remakes too and/or revive the series? Btw, it will be nice if someone other also follow, i.e. Lunar 1-2. I don't understand why they made Grandia 1-2 for which I was grateful, but not touched Lunars, especially amazing Lunar 2 which was one of the best PS1 JRPGs by all means, including gameplay mechanics, characters, story and overall balance even today.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully lots of remasters to look forward to!
@Evanz111
10 ай бұрын
Glad to see you give Suikoden IV some love! It’s my favourite in the series, partly due to the island, pirate and ship-based setting. Wish more RPGs would tackle that! It also had FANTASTIC sound design, I can still distinctly remember so many of the sound effects and the rune spell SFX.
@Xygor
10 ай бұрын
A better game than most people give it credit for!
@jaredadams8069
9 ай бұрын
It's my personal favorite.
@BattleSKY8
19 күн бұрын
Yes! More love for Lazlo!
@Evanz111
19 күн бұрын
@@BattleSKY8 Medium length hair, bandana and a tattoo on the back of his hand - I love every part of his design ^^
@Sir_Moth
Жыл бұрын
my profile picture says it all 1 resonates with me more than any of the others do. 2 was better for gameplay 3 was a spit in the face with combat 4 made me feel tinglys getting back to the roots and 5 hit hard. tactics was fun but your right on all points.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate these memories! Did you shed a tear at Mathiu's fate at the end of Suikoden I?
@Grayald
Жыл бұрын
One of my top franchises with the second game commonly holding the spot as my favorite game of all time. I love FF7, and it's also one of my favorites, but I was never a final fantasy fanatic. For me, it was suikoden and wild arms.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Two great series'! I will cover more Wild Arms games soon.
@benq7593
Жыл бұрын
Yeah have to strong disagree about Suikoden 3, it's my second favorite after 2, and while it does have some of that early 3D jank, the narrative is very strong. I felt the multi-protag actually strengthened the political discourse the game was pushing since you ultimately saw from every point of view in detail and had characters to get attached to on all sides of the conflict. Suikoden 4, while being the technically superior has a strong start to it's story, but really drags it's feet in the middle and goes out in a fight that was so anticlimactic that I didn't realize I beat the game until the credits rolled.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Fair enough!
@reicherwallace6774
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden 4 holds a special place in my heart. I absolutely love tropical settings. Something about high sea adventures brightens my adventurous spirit.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Right on, IV was better than a lot of people think!
@reicherwallace6774
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor It really is one of the smoother feeling games in the series. I remember my first time ever playing a Suikoden game was the demo for this game. So it actually got me incredibly interested in the series as a whole.
@datadrain6564
10 ай бұрын
I like how true rune story really well written in four Also the castle is big ship also a plus
@karashuun1083
Жыл бұрын
5 and 2 are my favorites. 4 are good for the ship battle but other than that it kinda sucks, 3 doesn't sit well with me because of multiple MC but the combat are good, 1 has good story but that's it.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks for your ranking!
@jonmcknight18
Жыл бұрын
I've only played the first two with like most people 2 being my favourite I like 1 but 2 has an iron chef minigame of course I prefer 2 for more then just that
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
That was definitely a unique game. I never really enjoyed it but I know a lot of other fans of the series that loved it.
@AngryCosmonaut
Жыл бұрын
You may want to correct some information in this video. A lot of the development history about Suikoden 1's development is wrong. It wasn't a prequel, it was it's own game developed in a vacuum before anything was even thought about for Suikoden 2. The idea that S1 was just a practice run is just an old wives tale.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I recorded that awhile ago when that was the general consensus, but I think you're right and that Murayama refuted it. Either way, they stand as being the best information I could get at the time I recorded it.
@shaifs5072
Жыл бұрын
With 3 being my favorite, effen ouch. Not many anime stylized games gone into 3D yet and I thought the models were gorgeous. The story was simply epic. My favorite cast. I loved being able to have mounts.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I still like it too!
@DaTruth683
2 ай бұрын
i rented suikoden 1 until i beat it. i was in 8th grade 1996. such a classic game, that star ocean 2, ff7 are 10/10 on ps1. i never played sui 2. i didnt like 3 and 4 too much and i never played 5 either
@Sir_Moth
9 ай бұрын
the explanations of every suikoden hit home with me 4 didnt deserve the hate 3 wasnt terrible but it lost its roots. I whole heartedly loved the video and i come back often to just listen.
@Xygor
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts! What a great series, huh?
@RasenRendanX
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Now I understand the Legacy behind this title I heard so much about it over the years but never played but also about the Eiyuden Chronicle trailer I was impressed by when it came dropped
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! Can't wait for Eiyuden!
@RasenRendanX
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor I do hope one day you make a video on Falcolm games! The Trails and Ys games in particular!
@StrangerHappened
Жыл бұрын
*TURN-based is also "modern".* Thankfully, lots of new games still use this type of gameplay. Great for the likes of myself, who do not like to be pressured to act in a rush in a real time RPG. Though I do like Dune and Warcraft 1/2 from the 1990s, Diablo, but just less than the likes of King's Bounty, Heroes of Might and Magic and other turn-based games. From recent games, a mobile one called "The Kingdom of Heroes" is great.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I think it's making a revival of sorts, at least to some extent. Games like Sea of Stars and Eiyuden Chronicle give me some hope for sure.
@StrangerHappened
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor Sea of Stars is cute, I hope it is great. But Eiyuden Chronicle visuals are more interesting to me since they are not simply replicating the old technology, but have a merge of it with something modern; a unique look.
@joshuak4372
Жыл бұрын
I will buy the HD remaster of 1 and 2 to spur on future suikoden releases or remasters.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Me too, hoping it helps!
@MrShiki1134
Жыл бұрын
love the karaya clan.... i myself come from the same real world tribe called the karaya... after playing suikoden 2 and seeing the karaya there dont look so different from my own is funny....
@Noctis37
Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna be predictable and say i love all the mainline titles, yes even 4.And also tactics.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Hey, it was a great series!
@tr1bes
Жыл бұрын
I ask my mother, who is a non gamer, about this game's title as she can read Chinese. She mentioned about 108 stars. I think she might have read the folktale in her youth.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm sure the original book is one of the most widely read for Chinese people.
@hellsunicorn
7 ай бұрын
I’m forever tied to the original Suikoden game, bought it for the PS1 back in 1997, played it all through 12th grade. Suikoden 2 is a very close second, the graphics and expanded OST were outstanding, but something about the plot of the original just trumps everything.
@Xygor
7 ай бұрын
Both are such classics! The first two are so popular but I know others that prefer the first as well. I used to, but II has grown more on me over time.
@TMD316
Жыл бұрын
The best Suikoden is objectively 2. But my favorite is 4. So fully underrated.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Finally someone who agrees with me on 4 being underrated!
@TMD316
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor it's absolutely fantastic! Soooo much better than 3. Definitely called back to its roots. When you said that I'm the video, I paused to celebrate with my roommate. Lol. 4 had a few shortcomings, but it's SUCH a good game!
@chipz662
Жыл бұрын
You dont need all 108 SoD from S1 to unlock Tir in S2. Also, Tir isn't an SoD in S2.
@missingLEGACY
Жыл бұрын
On a random note, I have a theory that Jeane the rune sage is the true charm rune personified, kind of like how the Star dragon sword is the personified version of the true night rune, many men in the series become infatuated with her through seemingly no effort of her own, it is stated that one of the other characters saw her in the bath and she has no rune markings on her body, meaning that she is not a wielder of a true rune, and she is in both suikoden 3 and 4, two games that are removed from each other by almost two hundred years, implying that she is immortal.
@JmoneyCrypto
8 ай бұрын
Great video! I know you said 3 was not your Fav game. For me it was. It was the first Suikoden game i played so that is prob why i have a soft spot for it. . For me it goes 3, 5, 2, 1, 4. But i am looking forward to the new remakes and maybe with those it will change my mind! Keep up the great videos!
@Xygor
8 ай бұрын
I appreciate your feedback, I know a lot of other people who like 3 too! And thank you!
@Reikosamaa
Жыл бұрын
with the announced remaster of suikoden 1 and 2 i really hope they remaster suikoden 3-5 as well, especially 3 and 4, 4 since it's my favorite, and 3 cause we never got it in Europe Q_Q
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully you will in the future!
@SeventhheavenDK
Жыл бұрын
Technically, my favorite franchise of RPGs. I rank them like this from most favorite to least favorite: 2-5-3-1-4. I have very find memories of this game, and of course, especially of Suikoden 2, that game is just my entire childhood, adolescence, and adulthood. Overall, I am still able to play till this day the 5 main games, and I feel so lucky for that. My favorite protagonist in the franchise is Riou (and definitely the Bright Shield rune is my favorite True Rune). My favorite character in the franchise is Nina (she is actually really good in combat, especially with a Fire/Rage Rune). ☝️I have always wondered if Breath of Fire has an influence on my likes for characters 😂. I am so hyped for the remasters.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it so much, and thanks for sharing your ranking!
@skeletankmcgraw7343
10 ай бұрын
Finally, another Suikoden fan that shares my view that IV is overall better than III. Of the 5 main Suikoden games I feel III is the lowest ranking; and even though it has some neat fan service by expanding on Luc, Yuber, and the Kingdom of Harmonia, it is not enough to make up for everything else about the game not being up to par with the other entries in the series.
@Xygor
10 ай бұрын
Glad you agree on that!
@Mac-ik1sg
Жыл бұрын
I thought suikoden1 was too short, and Spoiler I was shocked after I killed a f---in clam easily and the game ended.... I was like wtf kinda final boss is that.... Am I remembering that correctly, or am I trippin? It's been over 20 years I'm pretty sure.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts!
@rawbert808
Жыл бұрын
I Love the entire series even the spin offs. Web of Woven Century felt like a Suikoden game but because its not a Main Series title, I treat it as its own the same goes for Tikreies, As for Tactics i wanted to play that its the only one i dont have. The Stories just make the game for me. I feel Web of Woven Centuries and Tikreies should be their own game anyway due to the fact one was for Nintendo DS and the Other PSP. The Main Series should stick to home consoles.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your thoughts. Hopefully this series gets revived in earnest someday!
@Zazzaro703
Жыл бұрын
I got a copy of the original back when it released but only made it halfway through, I think something else came out that I really wanted to play and then forgot where I was/what was going on so never went back. I played the first two on steam deck earlier this year and while I thought they were good fun games, I didn’t find them in the same league as FF6, FF7, Chrono Trigger, FF Tactics. Even Lunar Silver Star Story I replayed earlier this year too and thought it was better. Those are all great games though so no shame in me thinking they are better. Probably nostalgia has a little to do with it. I also really put a high priority on music, an S tier soundtrack like Chrono Trigger just really takes a game to the next level. I liked the Suikoden music in the first two games but again for me not quite in that S tier category. Sounds like I’m bagging on Suikoden 1 & 2 but that’s not the case I’m comparing them to some of the best JRPGs of all time and for me they are an A and A+ tier while the others I listed are S tier.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
No harm in this opinion, everyone has their favorites. You just listed some fantastic games, so I think a great case that any of them were better. Still, I think this was a great franchise!
@zander6962
Жыл бұрын
Having played every game, Starting with Suikoden 2, I can easily say that…… Suikoden 3 is my favorite. The skill system is extremely fun to mess around with, I love the characters in it and it has by far my favorite castle and Tenkai star (Thomas is goated). While the music is definitely not as iconic, there are multiple songs I can point to off the top of my head that are extremely good. Main issue with the game is the main battle music, it genuinely sucks :/
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this feedback. I am glad to know that many fans like 3 more than I do. The fact that so many people have different opinions about which is better means the series is so strong.
@СеменКузнецов-с4щ
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden and Lunar is best jrpg i ever played, better then Final Fantasy, better then Dragon quest, better then Chrono Trigger, and 10 times better then Persona.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you love this series!
@nullprime2757
Жыл бұрын
I loved playing Suikoden 1 & 2. When I played 3, well it was certainly different but I still enjoyed it. I actually liked how it followed different characters as it gave you a more diverse story exploring different characters and pushing you to use different characters in your team. I do agree Suikoden 4 is the worst however, honestly that game made me quit the series and I never got around to playing part 5 and tactics because I never managed to finish part 4 due to lack of enjoyment.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I respect this input, you're right about the different storyline approach to 3.
@matthewovercash8432
Жыл бұрын
The fact that Suikoden V was a commercial flop and the last main entry in the series aggravates me to no end. The team went back over the series and took what worked and removed what hadn't, gave it a great story, look, combat, and overall feel. There is still so much of that world's story that we've had threads about that will probably never be told, the Holy Kingdom of Harmonia being one of the biggest, along with the impending final encounter between Yuber and Pesmerga. I'd love to see another main game in the series with Murayama brought back as a story consultant if nothing else.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that really is too bad about V given how great of a game it was. Really kind of derailed the series. But now there's more hype for it than I've seen in a long time. So maybe it will continue!
@professorannefaire7233
Жыл бұрын
1:00:44 No way. Time travel has been around since Suikoden 1, when you go back to the Village of the Hidden Rune in Ted's past. But it is admittedly much more prevalent in Woven Web
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Not as a core game mechanic though.
@slamjamtime202
Жыл бұрын
Like your content and I'm sure I'll enjoy this vid, but showing an epic shot of Legend of Legaia while talking about 3d graphics aging poorly was a bad call. Legia's in game 3D has aged quite gracefully for a PS1 game imo.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Fair enough, I think it they did compared to Legend of Legaia but compared to many of the 2D RPGs.
@61089loki
7 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on the Indie RPG Maker game, "Exit Fate"? It's inspired by Suikoden, and features many of the same mechanics.
@Xygor
7 ай бұрын
Never played it, but maybe I'll look into it
@deatho0ne587
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you the most part. I am a fan of the series as a whole, even liking 4 besides the travel part of it and the 4 man team. 5's duels seemed harder than most, since they were rarer and the translation did not lead to their move to much for me. You missed some of the other spin-offs (guessing due to they were not in English) so meh. The PSP games seems more like a mobile port, even though I do not think it is.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for leaving your thoughts on it!
@astralbuddha
Жыл бұрын
First time I played Suikoden IV it was my least favorite because it felt kind of short to me atleast at the time, but after my 2nd playthrough, I didn't really get that feeling anymore and I dunno, I personally like the cast from IV even if most of them didn't really get fleshed out. It ironically became my favorite among them all and still is. I have played all of them including Tierkreis and Woven Web of the Centuries with the fan-translation. Woven Web was easily the most frustrating when it came to recruiting all 108 SoD. Going back to boring maps over and over and over again periodically in different time eras. Also, not being able to walk around towns killed some of the immersion.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Glad to see there's still Suikoden IV fans in the house!
@nathan3859
Жыл бұрын
I am in the minority and think Suikoden 5 is overrated. The story was boring to me because the strategist seemed to be able to see the future so they never needed to really worry. Also, the game tried to appeal to nostalgia. Finally, I hate the recruiting in this game. It was so hard to make sure your recruited everyone and I was too worried to play too much because I may go too far in the story and miss a character. Suikoden 3 was amazing and had the best Tenkai.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Fair enough, I appreciate your thoughts and reasoning!
@justinc882
Жыл бұрын
1 and 2 get a lot of justifiable love. But 5 was an absolute masterpiece that is overshadowed by 1 and 2. I think it's just as good if not better in some areas. I also really liked Tactics though it is flawed.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
You're right, 1 and 2 are so good that a lot of the rest get overshadowed. But I love 5 as well.
@TheColdOne
Жыл бұрын
4 was ROUGH and I never beat it. As bad as 3 felt to play, 4 felt worse to me. 1, 2 and 5 were great though. 3 was just "good" but 4 was bad to me.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Fair enough, I can understand why people like 3 more.
@StrangerHappened
Жыл бұрын
Wait, the whole time you were talking about the voice acting you meant not the original Japanese cast, but rather its English adaptation? I with you would say that every time you talk about it and also discuss the original voice acting.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I never played the game in Japanese in its entirety
@Beetlejuice2959
Жыл бұрын
2nd one for me followed by the 1st and then the 4th. Unfortunately the 3rd one was impossible to get a copy of here at the time so I never played it. Looking forward to 1+2 being re-released on steam and hope the 3rd and 4th follow too.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your rankings, and yes, hopefully they will be eventually!
@wesleyvl8572
Жыл бұрын
Can you plz makke a final fantasy 8 story plz
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I will do this eventually.
@theclimbto1
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden was my favorite RPG when I started playing it... and THEN I got a Castle and it became the Best RPG EVER!
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Can't beat the castle building, can you?
@rockylopez7846
Жыл бұрын
Ugh, why do ya gotta go with gambling games, now, Konami!? Get back to console game development, so you can revive even this fossil!
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@scaredycart4232
Жыл бұрын
My fav still Suikoden II, i play V but there is something that make just stop in the middle and not finished it, even though they have sexy character lol
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Time to finish it!
@SegaCDUniverse
Жыл бұрын
I rushed through one of em, I think 4. I got stuck on the last boss, some huge tree I was under leveled for.
@jeffjackson9679
Жыл бұрын
The downside of 4 (actually a flaw in the game to be honest), is you literally have to grind in the last castle tower for like several hours to get your players to a high enough level to beat the final boss. FF 4 had the same issue with it.
@featuringdez7456
Жыл бұрын
Glad to see more amazing suikoden videos! 3&2 r my favs although 3 is heavily underrated.Hope more people give it a go. I adored the trinity play style. Offered varying viewpoints to the narrative. Reminds me of a Tarantino film. Plus some of my fav writing in the series. Best writing definitely belongs to 5 which is my 3rd fav.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Never heard it compared to the Tarantino films before, but that makes sense!
@andyreichert499
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden IV is a lesson in how not to do a silent protagonist. At least the boat could "run". I >still< need to play V though. One of these years....
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
You'll probably like it a lot more than IV!
@terryloi6975
Жыл бұрын
I love 1 and 2 but, after playing 3 on PS2. It's died, they should have kept the pix graph instead of 3D garbage.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I tend to agree, but I'm old school too!
@netwatch7261
Жыл бұрын
I really liked the ds game I haven't played the other ones though didn't find the series until I was a busy adult and my backlog of what I want to play is long
@netwatch7261
Жыл бұрын
Played it on my phone a long time ago maybe I should try the old ones soon on my steamdeck
@theclimbto1
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden 1 and 2 Remastered coming to Steam, by the way. Got it on my Wish List, so if you're a fan make sure you check it out.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I cover this at the end of the video. Pretty exciting.
@drewscube
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video , suikoden series holds a special place in my heart ❤️ , and suikoden 5 will always be my favorite 😍
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Likewise in regard to love for the series! Glad you enjoyed it.
@TheZHMusic
Жыл бұрын
This is amazing - thank you so much! Really informative but also really relaxing to watch 🙂 I really like 5 but 1 is my favourite, I play it every year!
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@angealcontreras8638
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden V is my fave. 2 coming close. I think 5 have the best storyline but has the easiest difficulty of the series
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
5 is definitely one a lot of people missed out on and should still play today.
@StrangerHappened
Жыл бұрын
In Suikoden 4, the lad's underpants are so long that are exposed for everyone to see. I do not mind that, but it is a bit funny.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Hey you need extra padding on the high seas! Or something.
@drokus
Жыл бұрын
I traded some magic cards for a Playstation and suikoden 2 back in the 90s. Still my favorite game of all time
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully you didn't trade Black Lotus!
@JohnOethGuitar
Жыл бұрын
So excited to watch this. Thanks for the amazing vids!
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them! Hope you enjoy this one too. Which was your favorite Suikoden game?
@JohnOethGuitar
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor 2!
@mxrocketbeats
Жыл бұрын
i only played the first back in the day, but the 5th one looks fire af might have the check it out
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Give it a try!
@alexrush4140
Жыл бұрын
I owed so much in late fees on our family account back in the day at Hollywood Video when I rented Suikoden 1 lol
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Haha, nice! Thanks for sharing this memory.
@jayti6660
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden 2 was the best one hands down. It just had a certain charm that made it so fun to play. The other ones were good too, but 2 was by far the best one.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I tend to agree! Such a classic!
@andrewmorden9528
9 ай бұрын
Here to hoping the remaster of 1-2 sells enough to get this series a new game. I replay these titles at least once every couple years.
@Xygor
9 ай бұрын
Right on, agreed!
@FCEngine
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The music in the Beyond Coast incident at the beginning of "Policenauts" where Jonathan's tether breaks off and he drifts into space is the prototype for the Suikoden battle bgm
@Suikojunkie
Жыл бұрын
You always gave Suikoden its flowers that’s what i like about you. You did not wait for the remasters.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I will still play them!
@ocrawford77
Жыл бұрын
They are making remasters?
@Suikojunkie
Жыл бұрын
@@ocrawford77 Yes indeed. Rumor has it they will release it March 9
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
@@ocrawford77 yes, I and II remaster is due sometime this year. I cover it toward the end of the video.
@JeremiahEcks777
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden I: My favourite Suikoden II: Almost perfect Suikoden III: Underrated Suikoden IV: Random battles Suikoden Tactics: Average Suikogaiden: Want translation Suikoden V: Overrated Post SV Suikoden: Doesn't exist Suikoden HD: Dream come true
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Nice summary!
@JeremiahEcks777
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor But it would take much longer to explain. 😔 Like, I think Suikoden V is overrated *but* that doesn't mean I don't think the world of it. The one that rocked me was Suikoden III. I honestly didn't expect it to be so good but it was the last mainline Suiko I played which I think improved it...
@dimthedemonslayer
Жыл бұрын
I said it back then and I said it again, Suikoden III is thorn in the series. Even Suikoden IV is much better
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I like it a little better, but I wouldn't say much better.
@xaviervigil5527
Жыл бұрын
I ordered them as follows: 5, 2, 3, 1 and 4. Yes, i am not ashamed i am one of those who dislike Suikoden 4. Suikoden 5 and 2 are almost at par in my opinion, i just like the costume design more of 5 and the maps and location (yes, i have no issues with the locations having soo many corridors and plqces, i prefer those than a bwsic looking one - doesn't deserve to be called a city). Tierkreis is kind of good, but yes, a drag in a way. But the castle here is better than the other castles in the main franchise (i still love Ceras Lake Castle of S5).
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your ranking and explanation!
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your ranking and reasoning!
@kentamidorin
Жыл бұрын
After playing Suikoden, it spoiled me for how RPGs should be written. So i'm really glad i played it all.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Maybe they will make another one similar to that in the future! Eiyuden Chronicle certainly seems like it is borrowing some themes from it.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
True, it’s a cut above most!
@ssaunders1122
Жыл бұрын
So suikoden and I have a rough history but I still absolutely adore the game. For some reason (I think I spilled something on the old one) I didn't have a memory card. I got to either the first or second army battle and lost. It was a bit before I picked it back up. But after I did man what an awesome game. Getting every character was awesome. Can't wait to play it again in 2023.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine playing any RPG without a memory card, haha.
@ssaunders1122
Жыл бұрын
@Xygor Gaming thankfully we don't really have to worry about such things as memory cards or sticks anymore. Hdd/ssd are great things.
@David31679
Жыл бұрын
Suikoden and Shinning Force are by far my all time favorite series and they both vanished.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully not for much longer!
@FatLittleButterfly
Жыл бұрын
I would much rather they just bring back the style of Suikoden 2 in HD for future games. The running animation for each attack feels draggy. Maybe if they could make them jump back and forth it would be better, like suikoden 5 did
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Me too! Can't say it enough.
@FatLittleButterfly
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor Suikoden: Adventures of Viki will be awesome xD
@Hopper_Arts
Жыл бұрын
For me, it's a tie between Suikoden 2 and 5, as i think they both offer the best stories in the series, with fenomenal characters and combat, but if i had to choose, i'd go for Suikoden 2 because a big thing i hate about 5 is how long it takes for the plot to actually start, it was grueling and i was left wondering when the game would get interesting, but after that horribly long introduction to the world and characters, the main conflict finally started and it became great again. In the end, i don't think there's a single bad game in this franchise, and while the spin-offs are not the best, they still hold up as good rpgs on their own and we should judge them on what they are instead of what they aren't, in my opinion at least.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your feedback on the ranking!
@Hopper_Arts
Жыл бұрын
@@Xygor no problem, appart from that little problem i had with your judgement of the spin-offs (specially in graphics, which in the case of Tierkris could very well be due to system limitations), i really liked this retrospective! I'm a huge fan of Suikoden, and i am ecstatic for Eiyuden Chronicle and the Suikoden 1 and 2 remaster, this video gave me a lot of nostalgia and i think i'll go replay Suikoden 2 now, it's probably one of my favorite games ever.
@brentabel5094
Жыл бұрын
Hated 4 couldn't make it past first 3 hours hated boat battles and the insane random battle rate.
@Xygor
Жыл бұрын
I can see this. Boat battles were frustrating for sure.
@chinista
7 ай бұрын
Hmm, I completely disagree with the character models of Tactics. I think they look sharp and a pretty cool cel-shaded effect that give it a unique look.
@Xygor
7 ай бұрын
Fair enough, appreciate your input!
@chinista
6 ай бұрын
@@Xygor And I appreciate you for making this banger of a vid!
@AirshipFury
Жыл бұрын
Yuber shakes in his boot when Hai Yo with 3 Killer Runes rocks up. lmao
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