Anybody else amazed by the amount of movement in frame of the Glock near the muzzle at 5.56 mins?
@patjoslin4087
3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit that is crazy. I never knew that was supposed to happen?
@max3835
3 жыл бұрын
This is why polymer frames Glocks and other such pistols are much more durable than alloy framed pistols. Alloy frames can experience stress fracture after several thousand rounds.
@castloader1715
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that surprised me too
@christopherfruth5744
3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@angrybiker1
2 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too almost looks like it’s coming apart!
@octavianyoung5843
4 жыл бұрын
That was probably one of the most professional fun videos I’ve ever seen with just the right mix of humour thrown in. Very informative and easy to understand.
@SilencerCo
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by and checking it out!
@sinankeskin3398
Жыл бұрын
@@SilencerCo hi What is your healthy way with piston or without piston?
@qx4n9e1xp
3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea wtf a piston was, or why I had to buy it, but now, I understand. The slow-mo really helped! Thanks guys!
@SilencerCo
3 жыл бұрын
Of course! Thanks for stopping by and checking it out!
@gle3105
4 ай бұрын
Wow! The bottom frame movement at the rail upon cycling. Incredible video.
@mbolu349
Жыл бұрын
HUGE help! I’m very new to the suppressor community and had no idea why I needed a booster/piston assembly for my handgun. My first instinct was that the guy at the store was just selling me crap I didn’t really need, but who am I to question the guy that deals with these things every day? Now I fully understand the physics behind WHY I need it. Thanks so much!! Now I just need to learn how to be more patient with the ATF’s approval process! 😂😂
@bdog3869
2 жыл бұрын
The slow motion capability of the high speed camera and your explanation just saved me from making a mistake in my order of a suppressor. And your explanation was enjoyable. Thanks a bunch.
@Paladin1873
4 жыл бұрын
I tell people the booster/Nielsen device/piston allows the suppressor to float momentarily, freeing its mass from the barrel and slide just long enough for them to unlock properly and cycle the action.
@SilencerCo
4 жыл бұрын
That's a very accurate summary.
@bikefreek
3 жыл бұрын
@@SilencerCo Its actually not, from a physics standpoint the pressure in the can is driving the barrel to the rear adding force to help the pistol cycle. It does not simply "decouple". Using terminology like "float" and decouple" denotes a passivity to what's going on. The pressure generated in the can and against the inside of the case actively push the can and barrel/slide away from each other aiding in cycling. That's why terminology such as "piston" and "booster" are used. Everyone assumes because the piston doesnt have a surface to act on that gas pressure isnt at play here. the reality is once screwed onto the barrel the breach face/case become the surface the gas pressure acts on. Boosters effectively turn a recoil impulse operated system into a gas operated one.
@relevation0
2 жыл бұрын
@@bikefreek and that is how you complicate a simple summary 😂
@bradskis81
2 жыл бұрын
@@bikefreek Well then by that logic, you shouldn’t need the booster assembly at all. In fact, it should cycle better without the piston assembly then. If it’s the pressure in the can exerting force rearward against the casing and breech face, forcing the slide rearward, you’d have more pressure to assure cycling. But that’s not the case. It does in fact, de-couple the system. Kind of like a suspension strut on a car where the barrel/ piston would be the wheel and the car, the slide. The wheel is free to move independently from the car in one axis momentarily but also structurally supported in different axis. After the round leaves the muzzle, both the the slide and barrel move rearward together momentarily until they separate and the slide continues on its own while the barrel remains. Without a piston the force of the gasses rearward against the shell casing would have to move the weight of the barrel, suppressor and slide all rearward until it hit the locking block, then there would have to be enough momentum left in the slide to travel rearwards fully to properly cycle the next round. Some is also dissipated into the frame via the barrel hitting the locking block. On typical handgun cartridges, there’s just not enough initial force created to force all that mass rearward and have enough left over for the slide itself to continue fully rearward. I suppose if you had a hot enough round to create enough rearward force initially, it might work, but at the expense of lots of wear and tear on the other parts. It would be like driving a vehicle with no suspension and the wheel hubs directly mounted to the frame. It’s pretty much like a suspension for your barrel.
@bikefreek
2 жыл бұрын
@@bradskis81 The pressure in the can cant push the breach to the rear without a booster... think of it this way, The case, barrel and booster "piston" are the piston and piston rod of a pneumatic cylinder. The can is outer tube. When the gasses pressurize the inside of the barrel and can the barrel is forced rearwards.... that force aides cycling. Why do you think terms like "piston" and booster" are used for them? It is NOT a passive system to simply allow the gun to cycle. It actively adds force to drive the slide and barrel back.
@700HpVette
4 жыл бұрын
"Here is a NON-NFA Maxim pistol"-BRRRRRRTTTTTT
@Glocktard
4 жыл бұрын
700HpVette, ya he just slips that in there like it’s no big deal. Omg that needs to be mine.
@VanillaGorilla0351
4 жыл бұрын
Non-NFA MAXIM .........must.......have
@BrianJacobson
4 жыл бұрын
Product announcement video disguised as an educational video.
@mrmactknife
4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how a suppressed, full auto pistol can be a non-nfa item? Or am I just missing the point of a joke?
@VanillaGorilla0351
4 жыл бұрын
@@mrmactknife "prototype" allows it in the same vein as the G18. It won't ever be sold in the U.S. but the semi auto version will. I'm sure it's a joke designed to invoke these questions sprinkled with jealousy....it worked.
@SavageOutlaw17
Жыл бұрын
Now I understand this so much better! I can more confidently choose the proper equipment I’ll need when I get my first suppressor soon.
@NickTanner1
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this excellent explanation. This is exactly the information I was looking for to understand the additional parts I needed.
@dolphinprincessrox2
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making a helpful video describing not only why you have a piston, but the actual physics of why. This has really helped me understand suppressors as a whole. Thanks again.
@SilencerCo
3 жыл бұрын
Happy help! Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video.
@Mark-bj4um
15 күн бұрын
Nice job, guys. Thanks for the hi speed video. Beautifully explained. Now I understand.
@brettsmith3703
4 жыл бұрын
I want to see a full video on that full auto maxim nine
@DVEarley1995
Жыл бұрын
Where can I get one, ha ha. Probable out of my price range
@DVEarley1995
Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in see a video explaining why some pistols will run with a suppressor out of the box no problem (like my CZ P10c) and others will not (Like my Sig P320c, had to buy fancy expensive recoil spring kit). Sound interesting to you. You guys make really interesting and good videos. Keep it up
@Roger500Magnum
8 күн бұрын
Thank you for posting this.
@ralphietwoshoes
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video would be either showing the differences in how the back pressure of a suppressor impacts a Direct Impingement rifle vs that of a piston system, or subguns(roller delayed blowback vs blowback). Or maybe even just a larger video surrounding blowback, and how you test it when developing a new suppressor.
@SilencerCo
4 жыл бұрын
Great topic. We will add this to the growing list!
@clintmullins8670
2 жыл бұрын
@@SilencerCo 👍
@whogg0521
2 ай бұрын
GREAT video. I had no idea of these parts before buying my Suppressors. Even with that, I was struggling to understand how it worked. This was fantastic!
@guyurbina2839
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining the piston, that helps me a lot understanding the need for one.
@alvintarrer6914
2 жыл бұрын
in depth view of mechanics of the silencer, additional interchangeable parts. awsome view
@XrayMike17plus1
Жыл бұрын
LOL, good mix of fun and facts. Love how high-speed photography captures what would otherwise just be 'theory'.
@ingodwetrust76
3 жыл бұрын
OMG the running to weigh the slide was hilarious! Love that part😆
@jonkegley6274
4 жыл бұрын
Love this series of videos...
@x_727pm5
Ай бұрын
Great video! Thank you.
@samuelcabe3372
3 жыл бұрын
Good ol Glock frame-flexx... gotta love it.
@chetoflep
5 ай бұрын
Outstanding informational. This cleared up some questions I had about an Omega 9k with pistol and PDW configurations.
@MrMechudo94
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this information!
@synonyx
2 жыл бұрын
Best video ever explaining why pistons are important.
@miraclemax08
3 жыл бұрын
sure is nice to get this information that's backed up with video evidence from an authoritative source - this video pretty much answers all the questions I had about "that other thing" I'd need to get besides the silencer itself
@easbreid9879
4 жыл бұрын
7:35, I need that in my life
@shannondavis6571
3 жыл бұрын
How cool! Man, I love the slow motion video! The first time I’ve been able to actually see the bullet leave the barrel of a gun. The Maxim 9 is badass too.
@SilencerCo
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@johnhosstx
3 жыл бұрын
First, your videos demonstrating the mechanics are awesome!!! So many people/companies make claims about products and even if they show how they collected data, none compare to your videos. Great job guys! Now, how about expanding some of your videos to include: a) what happens on fixed barrels, b) with and without boosters, c) PDW/PCC guns, d) DI and gas piston guns? I know you must have a ton of high speed video collected. You probably have a fortune invested in that equipment. Again, great job! PS. I own a couple of your products but maybe did not appreciate the work until now.
@justkiknit
5 ай бұрын
look how much that guide rod and frame/rail wiggle in slowmo.. Holy Cow!
@TheKCaryer
Жыл бұрын
Hello from Pasco County, FL. Thank you for the excellent educational video. Well done.
@baddadjokes9330
11 ай бұрын
This was really well produced. Thanks for the information.
@supamastafly
4 жыл бұрын
5:59 didn't know polylower where this much sturdy!!!
@invictus3598
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video with a great explanation and technical demonstration on a suppressor's functionality. Thank you!
@SAvoltage
3 жыл бұрын
Ive always known why you use "pistons" but this helped understand why. Good video.
@bf8606
11 ай бұрын
Perfectly explained. Thanks
@JK-br9lh
9 ай бұрын
Great videos . The physics make sense for a booster
@JonFrederiksen-m3s
7 ай бұрын
Good info and excellent with the slo mo. I'd like to the difference between dry and wet firing.
@bmssenjoyer
4 жыл бұрын
A video on different baffle profiles and spacing would be interesting.
@SilencerCo
4 жыл бұрын
Love it.
@Shadow-ol2ik
4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for that pistol to hit the market
@jamesbryan2646
4 жыл бұрын
It's when I really WANT 1 TO
@nac4965
4 жыл бұрын
great video! great explanation of why it's important to use a piston on a floating barrel pistol. it looks like the bullet has far cleared the suppressor muzzle before the slide action happens- have you ever seen a baffle strike when adding a fixed suppressor on a floating barrel (sans piston)?
@charlieghague
3 жыл бұрын
That Maxim is some kind of crazy wizardry.
@floridamike75
4 жыл бұрын
Neat Prototype! And Reddot on the front, interesting, I like it!!
@EEDad401
2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding explanation and video!
@FeralRabbit
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the education!!! Very cool.
@jeffreystroman2811
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you for the education. Please can you do a video on the types of approach to managing the gases, cross flow, phase cancellation, turbulence and theory behind the "mouse hole" and "dater hole" with respect to cross flow. I'll be waiting patiently putting off chores until I see the video.
@liedebunker1253
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis! Thank you!
@tuckit5833
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic information Very interesting...the science involved..interesting
@rkstr9965
4 жыл бұрын
Great slow motion explanation ...
@TomGun
4 жыл бұрын
When will the non nfa be out?
@dluap75
4 жыл бұрын
You guys make great videos.
@SilencerCo
4 жыл бұрын
We appreciate you stopping by and checking it out!
@christoney2491
Жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thank you.
@jimddksntbs12539
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the test results would be like if you install a heavier or lighter recoil spring ?
@wozboat
Жыл бұрын
I just bought a Taurus G3 tactical, it came with a lighter spring and it didn't help. I also reload my own bullets. I tried going up to max powder and heavier bullets (147gr) to get more recoil. That didn't work either. I'm now waiting for my piston to come in the mail to go on my Hybrid 46, so my pistol will work.
@alhodge4051
3 жыл бұрын
i appreciate that you call it a silencer.... thanks
@joshlarkin5022
Жыл бұрын
Great information.
@rambosey6275
3 жыл бұрын
Damn!! Turnblom. You have come a long way since 11th Marines.
@ragnarokbladeworks
3 жыл бұрын
that pistol at 7:02 is SIIIIIIIIIIICK
@jakesnakes5866
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I always wondered why pistols need a piston
@garywemmer9342
Жыл бұрын
Very informative!
@ETHRON1
9 ай бұрын
It's crazy how the front of the frame moves given the polymer flexing...
@stephaniek5433
4 жыл бұрын
Great video- answered so many questions
@Carolina-Defense-Force
4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done! If u taught this as a class I would sign up lol
@mmpiforall5913
3 жыл бұрын
At 5:50 flex in the glock polymer frame at the front is surprising! Also shooter holds gun so low in hand he could get 'slide bite'!
@chemusvandergeek1209
4 жыл бұрын
Fixed barrel 9mm: Walther CCP m2
@eFPronouns
7 ай бұрын
Anyone else surprised by the amount of flex and movement the muzzle end of the (I'm guessing polymer) frame was making in the slow motion video, pretty much everything past the trigger guard directly underneath the barrel? And that's even with the added reinforcement that i would assume that the built-in pic rail adds to that portion of the frame. Kinda crazy to watch but idk i guess it's polymer maybe that's silly of me to find that so shocking? I only bring this up because i most recently built a Glock 17 from a Polymer 80 frame and when milling out the little area for the front two legs of the enhanced locking block from ROOK Tactical, i went just a hair too deep, leaving a pretty large portion of that whole area directly in front of the trigger guard and underneath the front locking block pin to be nearly hair thin. As a result of this, the frame and slide has been sitting for a few weeks now in my garage and has never been test fired due to my concerns over the frame strength in that area and what might happen if it were to break while being fired. Seeing that in this slow motion video definitely doesn't inspire any more confidence in those fears I've had already...
@rahulxsood
3 жыл бұрын
Best video on this subject thank you!!
@jon23211
2 жыл бұрын
extremely helpful thank you
@bradfordpalmer2298
10 ай бұрын
Smart dudes!
@jsa310
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Now, how to I configure my Omega 9k for a fixed barrel? I have your ASR mount and muzzle break...
@mummel2013
2 жыл бұрын
first video i foulnd, that did exactly what i wanted to see :) thx dude
@SilencerCo
2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear! Thanks for stopping by and checking it out.
@jeffrystout6222
4 жыл бұрын
Very excellent video, thank-you! I now understand why they are there and what it is they do. (Boosters or Pistons) I know very little about suppressors and the how's and why's so why is it ok to have a .45 caliber suppressor and install a piston with the thread size for a 9mm and shoot 9 through it? Does the suppressor work as well to suppress the sound or not?
@comentedonakeyboard
2 жыл бұрын
"Memorizing" is a surprisingly good exercise 😂
@brianwhite6691
8 ай бұрын
Can you cover what happens if you use a booster setup on a fixed barrel PCC such as a Ruger PCC9 or lever action .357?
@Archimedes616
3 жыл бұрын
Answer this for me: The barrel and slide have to move straight back a short distance in tandem as a prerequisite for the pistol to cycle properly, and the dead weight of the silencer could prevent this from happening, correct? It would appear, then, that having just enough room and spring strength to allow the backward-moving barrel to pull the piston back that far while the silencer just hangs there in its own space for a fraction of a second would be all that should be required. So why is the thing engineered to allow the silencer to pull forward against the piston spring as far as it does, and then to snap back? What purpose does that serve?
@verysmallcats1374
3 жыл бұрын
Practically speaking, there is no difference. The silencer only moves forward like this because as mentioned in the video the internal baffles of the suppressor trap the hot gases exiting the barrel "like wind in a sail" on a sailboat. These gases, moving fast enough to push the bullets out the barrel as quickly as they are, pull the suppressor forward on their own. By allowing this, the spring makes sure the weight of the suppressor doesn't slow down the barrel and slide. Naturally, the suppressor moves forward because the gases push it forward, compressing the spring in the piston more.
@mikebirky5769
7 ай бұрын
A very good video, but why isn’t that on the website?? Or even shown on a kiosk at dealers.
@mikeodell5915
3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@mrip3078
3 жыл бұрын
This video was an excellent way to show how the piston functions, and how much it affects the slide movement on the graph. I never knew that the piston actually had that much action within the can fitting. Thanks a ton for this. Saved me a lot of headache, I was about to try direct thread on everything. One thing I would like to know, if you run the piston on a fixed barrel, then run the direct thread adapter on the same fixed barrel, same ammo etc, how much difference in dB is there due to the extra volume in the direct thread case?
@Chris-px2ft
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, cool video you guys nailed it a question I had about going to the fixed barrel! I also sent you guys a e-mail about a month ago asking why my silencer was not silent through my carbine and the answer you gave DID NOT NAIL IT. "1st thing is to try different ammo. JD" a little more detail would have been more helpful!
@MrGsteele
4 жыл бұрын
Your graph showed velocity against time, with the velocity on the Y axis and time on the X axis. I think it would be interesting to see a graph of distance (slide distance traveled rearward) over time - i.e. the derivative of velocity, with distance shown on the Y axis, and time on the X axis. That way, the overlay of the 3 curves would indicate the retardation effect on the slide's actual motion, of the additional weight of the silencer, and the reduction of that weight retardation initially, as a result of the decoupling effect of the piston. Or even a slow-motion time-lapse 3 panel video with all 3 firings shown one above the other, so you could see the deceleration and reduced motion attributable to the additional weight, and then mitigated by the decoupling. Geeky, I know, but a picture is worth a thousand words. Interesting video!
@hvyduty1220
4 жыл бұрын
love the video..........................!
@Andrew-FKF
2 жыл бұрын
You could see at @6:00 that the guide rod HITS the piston. Does this cause wear? do you need to upgrade to a metal guide rod due to this??!
@mmpiforall5913
3 жыл бұрын
It's a 'nelson device' for years, new names are confusing, not a booster at all. It's there to decouple the weight of the can from the gun so it cycles properly. simple.
@AJ-ij4cq
4 жыл бұрын
How do you guarantee that the bullet exits the end of the silencer before the barrel/slide unlocks and the barrel tilts upward? Seems like you would get baffle or end cap strikes a lot.
@markletts8802
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome channel...🇬🇧
@r.minnis9722
4 жыл бұрын
very cool
@free-birdrocker8809
2 жыл бұрын
I guess supressors are good for snipers. But going Rambo kicks butt. I want you to hear us. LOL!
@jnewz7072
Ай бұрын
As a person who literally just got my first two suppressors today, this is a huge help. Does anyone know if the M&P 5.7 needs the piston? I know it’s a different firing mechanism than say a P320. Thanks in advance for any legit answers.
@SilencerCo
Ай бұрын
The M&P 5.7 has a fixed barrel which means you do not need a piston and can run direct thread.
@FUBARguy107
Жыл бұрын
My G17 will not cycle with a supressor on it. The barrel moves back too far causing the supressor to ram into the frame so in reality the slide doesn't move at all to allow a new round to cycle into the chamber.
@wrench0060
3 жыл бұрын
wow did you see the handgun frame wobbling when the slide moved back after firing
@CallofDoobie585
3 жыл бұрын
That non nfa maxim with the sear is dope as f--k
@spyder2782
2 жыл бұрын
Will be nice if the non nfa maxim comes out.
@donferguson9374
Жыл бұрын
Great info but one minute unsaid direct thread is best but then u said spring is better.?
@rikdanielsen1118
Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks. Question: if you put a suppressor on a 9mm PCC, do you need the booster?
@SilencerCo
Жыл бұрын
You would need to either use a direct thread adapter or replace the spring on the piston with a fixed barrel spacer.
@Salty99
Ай бұрын
Are pistons swappable between manufacturers? I've been trying to get a piston from Silencer Central for my Banish 45 can that I ordered back in 11/23. It was supposed to come with one but it never came. Apparently they've been on back order for almost 10 months but it's still listed as available on their website.
@scott27t
4 жыл бұрын
I have the piston add-on. Can I also use it on a 1/2x28 direct thread fixed barrel? Or is the fixed barrel spacer required? What would happen otherwise?
@spud4ever290
3 жыл бұрын
Wild how the video shows burning propellant and unburned grains of propellant being ejected with the case in the slo-mo !!!
@ninjadad3769
4 жыл бұрын
That’s why I like my ij70 makarov the barrel don’t move when it’s recoiling.... to bad Iit don’t have threads tho lol.
@williemaykit7940
Жыл бұрын
After watching this my question would be, do sub-sonic loads cycle the pistol properly with the silencer installed, or are sub-sonic rounds really only needed for rifle loads? I'm pretty silencer illiterate at the moment. I'm trying to learn more.
@SilencerCo
Жыл бұрын
Great question! The vast majority of pistols will cycle just fine when shooting sub sonic ammo through a suppressor. The piston/spring do a very good job of mitigating the extra weight on the barrel. In the event a pistol does not cycle properly a lighter spring can be used on the Guide Rod Assembly.
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