This is why I got so confused by all the people saying the game was pushing CT in the affinity system.
@dojiz7242
Ай бұрын
Probably because of promotions (SE NA branch do try to favour her whenever possible, a major obvious moment is how they ordered the special Rebirth episodes on SE KZitem, they put the voice actor's comments with Tifa's thumbnail on it next to Cloud's thumbnail, despite being Episode 4 to Cloud's Episode 1. Aerith is Episode 2 and Sephiroth is Episode 2) + you know, people's own biased runs.
@ariyuril
Ай бұрын
@@dojiz7242yeah, the US channel getting an extra episode when the JP channel didn’t was kind of funny.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Clearly not in CT favor unless they factor in sidequests and intentionally avoiding Aerith lol
@dojiz7242
Ай бұрын
@@ariyuril To be fair, for all we know it might be easier to arrange for EN VA comments compared to JP. Uploading the episodes in the wrong order is still on them anyway lol, while JP have them in proper order.
@drewt1717
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpgI don't mind the push of CA since that's true to the OG and maximizes the impact of Aerith's story, but since (probably) everyone already knew what eventually happens, it would have been more fun to be able to naturally build affinity with the others along the path of the main story, without having to research and plan and go out of the way (and even treat aerith poorly).😅
@SantalynValferys
Ай бұрын
I loved the water tower scene. They don't have a common past, they didn't make any teenager's promise... And it doesn't matter. They will create common memories and find each other without promise. It is a grown-up romance. Tifa was Cloud's first love interest... partly because she was, according to the books, the ONLY teenage girl in the village. Every boy was after her. She became a great woman, yes, but later, after finding her own path in martial arts when the boys had left and she couldn't play anymore the same role. I love that they break the trope of the childhood friend/crush. The whole team can create new bonds with Cloud and it will save him. The necessity of letting go of the past without forgetting it is such a beautiful theme in this game. ❤
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
I love well presented and thought out comments as you did here. I don't think I could have said this any better!
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
That actually happens a lot in real life too. Childhood crush was always wet dreams. Grown up people don't live by dreams but listen to their heart.
@dalegleneagles5072
Ай бұрын
Using the "sacred" spot and seating positions to make the point about growing up - brilliant. I noticed that when Cloud sits down he puts the sword down to the left/outside, but when he's sitting next to Tifa at waters edge at the ending, it's between them.
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
@@dalegleneagles5072 Cloud actually started to lower with barrier with Aerith since Remake during the playground scene.
@dalegleneagles5072
Ай бұрын
@@haihuynh8337 I just mean that to me the sword symbolizes a wall (and possibly conflict) with Tifa vs openness with Aerith.
@user-hv8wz8ld7j
Ай бұрын
Love this video as usual. You should also be looking for the number of rendition for the Aerith's and Tifa's themes across the remake and rebirth. Aerith's theme got close to 50 remixes and Tifa only got like 15ish.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Wow is that really the case? That's super interesting, I'll run this by one of my moots that is super intelligent with music theory.
@user-hv8wz8ld7j
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpg Yes and some of the rebirth music can only be found on KZitem for now, before the rebirth plus album comes out.
@user-hv8wz8ld7j
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpg For sure. Some of the music can only be found on youtube for now though. Before the rebirth plus ost comes out.
@user-hv8wz8ld7j
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpg One interesting fact. Although only being on the screen for no more than 2 minutes, Aerith got four theme tracks in advent children. If you count 'Cloud smiles' that's five. While Tifa only got one. And Tifa's theme was not even in the credit while Aerith's was.
@fiprosha
Ай бұрын
@mlwjrpg regarding music: there is also themes like Cloud smiles that have elements of Aerith's theme worked into Cloud's. Aaaand... the credits of Remake played Hollow followed by Aerith's theme. Whereas Rebirth's credits played NPtK followed by Cloud's theme. :)
@CloudKyu
Ай бұрын
its just makes the most sense for the game to favour Aerith. Regardless of any ship or romance, for the games end to mean something to the player, it makes sense to push them towards getting to know and like Aerith but its nice to see that Aerith is still somewhat favoured like in the OG!
@ladyvergerin6791
Ай бұрын
Rebirth neglects the idea of making Aerith irreplaceable, we have too much emphasis on Tifa, which had almost no place in the plot in OG before the second disc. If we add to this the fact that the "death" scene was deliberately made so that we would not feel the loss of the character, then the conclusion is obvious.
@slayer1156
Ай бұрын
Aerith being the favourite option for the GS date (most probable), just like OG.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Low key they kept it like OG :)
@drewt1717
Ай бұрын
And it's narratively fitting, since the others presumably have future opportunities for a date, while aerith doesn't...😅
@slayer1156
Ай бұрын
@@drewt1717 oh yeah, it worked wonders in AC, didn't it?
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
@@drewt1717 Good thing Aerith's fate is very much different this time around, much evidence to show she will have future opportunities.
@violetbanjo9328
Ай бұрын
I like how I know who you favor but you're still being objective in all your videos. Thanks for another great vid.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Ha ha yeah I'm not hiding it, but for videos like this I want to present in a fair matter. Appreciate you!
@fiprosha
Ай бұрын
I think mentioning that Aerith is Rosa in the credits would have fitted the narrative of this video as well. I know some people "dont care" what's in the credits. But I'm pretty sure it would have been easy for the devs to just show you a scene of whichever date/Rosa you got to emphasise your choice and your playthrough. Instead, they chose to always go with Aerith as Rosa. (The fact that the devs also put two "blanks" into the credits where certain scenes should have been make Rebirths credits also feels more significant than usual. At least to me. But thats a different topic).
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
I have plans to do another video similar to this but all about Aerith and with my personal interpretations. I'll mention in there why she's the intended route for the ch 8/12 dates and of course the canon Rosa. Those credits speak loudly toward this.
@monca1222
Ай бұрын
@mlwjrpg I'm not sure if you're currently working on it, but I wanted to see if there's any variation when closest companion is selected or how it ranks depending on when all affinity is maxed and what not
@dalegleneagles5072
Ай бұрын
I have to laugh because (and I think it was probably on another one of mlwjrpg's videos) I've had people try to argue with me that not only do the scenes from credits not matter, but the two games' theme songs don't either. You can't fix stupid. As for those "other" two, I love the reinforced ambiguity they did there.
@rifway22
Ай бұрын
Even in the trailers it's always Aerith. Aerith as Rosa, and Aerith date on the ferris wheel
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
@@rifway22 💪
@Mysticgamer
Ай бұрын
The affinity system is harder to figure out than a strategy for a super boss. I did most of the sidequests before the date chapter, and I got a date with Nanaki.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Yeah once sidequests and side content are tossed into the mix, it throws in tons of variables haha
@SoSakashii
Ай бұрын
if you had most of the characters at high affinity, you get whoever on the 2nd slot next to Cloud in the party list.
@drewt1717
Ай бұрын
@@SoSakashii even if it's Cait Sith? wait.. Cait not in the party at that point.. nm 😅
@joelman1989
Ай бұрын
The fact you called him his real name and not red 13 tells me you are much closer to him than you realize. You love Nanaki. Do not deny it!
@alphakowaclips
25 күн бұрын
I got him too and laughed so hard
@Linda-oh7tf
Ай бұрын
Whaaat the water tower scene is mandatory?! I had no idea! 🙀 no wonder it felt that Aerith had so many mandatory conversations because she really did! It's kinda cool that in the og she had the lead with the 50 points but now she technically also has the lead cause the game makes you to talk to her the most 😊
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
They started everyone at 0, but gave Aerith more chances at main story affinity increases. Low key they kept it like og from that perspective. 😌
@ArkadiEnver
Ай бұрын
Aerith is the normal option, surprise surprise jk lol And a lot less obvious from the OG, but interesting that they kept in the having to lie to Tifa if you want her best answer (at the inn.) And I think many would think telling Aerith the truth at the water tower would lower points with her but it's Aerith's best answer. Which I really like because I think she likes when Cloud is honest. But she just takes it as they were friends it seems (but it wouldn't matter anyways cause they were kids.) But I love these videos analyzing the little details.
@ladyvergerin6791
Ай бұрын
I've seen several videos where the player chose this option on the water tower precisely in order to lower Aerith's scores. The game just punished them for not correctly interpreting the character's character😂
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
@@ladyvergerin6791 Haha that never stops being funny
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Many people choose to ignore several of characters or think they know about them haha.
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
If we watch Advent Children, we can see this too. Cloud naturally went to Aerith's place when he got issue (geostigma) instead of staying with Tifa. Tifa is too pessimistic and unforgiving compared to Aerith.
@ArkadiEnver
Ай бұрын
@@haihuynh8337 Wdym? Cloud and Tifa are married with 2 children in AC jk lol I don't know how many times I've seen people say this about AC.
@darkknight_D
Ай бұрын
Interesting video as always. Will you make a video about Loveless? To explore what it contributes to the story and its parallels, what it will contribute to the third game, and it seems that people are finally recognizing who the canon Rosa is, but apparently Alphreid is now another guy.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Eventually I want to put together some really in depth comprehensive videos that get deep into connections and parallels for sure!
@Lucia32SW
Ай бұрын
I’m in love with all your videos, thanks!!💙💚
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Appreciate you so much! I'm so glad you're enjoying them! 💓
@erickahahaha
Ай бұрын
Great video as always! Thank you for all the content you put out. I love this game, and I just can't get enough of Cloud and Aerith, good thing they gave us so much mandatory events between them.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed! I plan on putting out a bunch more so stay tuned! Not only did they get tons of mandatory events but so much side content as well.
@erickahahaha
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpg oh right...the side content! Love all of 'em. I wish they have more Clerith moments in store for us in part 3. Can't wait!!! But I'm bracing myself for Aerith's absence...at least in the first parts of it 😢 So excited to see more of your videos!!! It'll help feed my FF7 cravings until the next game comes out. Thank you!
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
@@erickahahaha I'm highly confident Aerith will be heavily involved in pt 3 and much more clerith moments. The question is when? I don't think it will be too far into the game to start though. Glad you're looking forward to more, much more are coming down the line.
@lightninghope7265
Ай бұрын
Excellent video. I'm glad to know that my sweet Aerith has such memorable moments and to know that they are mandatory. I feel sorry for Tifa fans. Since for me they are not mandatory since Aerith is my favorite character. By the way, I have a doubt, this is the second time I see that they do not mention or make it mandatory a conversation that Cloud has after telling what happens in Nibelhiem 5 years before with Tifa. I want to know because that scene is not mandatory or mentioned how that scene is considered. I hope you can clear up this doubt for me. Thank you.☁️🌸
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Yeah Aerith truly is the only character that is required to speak to in Nibelhiem. You can 100% skip talking to Tifa, which was kind of an odd choice considering it being Nibelhiem.
@lotterbine
12 күн бұрын
I loved your breakdown once again, and also, it's cool you put all of their music in the background, very nice touch. I saw a lot of people saying that Aerith was pushed to the background but she was often the goal post and you had to interact with her. Rebirth was truly her spotlight (let's hope she has some spotlight for part 3)
@potatofun3328
Ай бұрын
Awesome analysis as always! I have a video idea for you and your excellent voice...Comparison of gondola dates regarding the wheel that makes the ride spin. Upon further examination, the case could be made that when Cloud spun the gondola with Aerith, he meant to make her fall towards him so he could catch her...he is awkward & goofy like that. He did it to perhaps break his own awkward tension. Or maybe he wanted to sit closer together & that was his date strategy as bodyguard, haha. Or like in a scary movie, to get closer to her as the chocobos came crashing through. Why is this cool? Because in all the other dates, he steers the goldola with control & precision! Aerith is the only date where Cloud the SOLDIER can't spin the amusement park ride with ease. Maybe he's nervous around Aerith...OR he spun it on purpose to catch her like on the rooftops in Remake...."My hero," Aerith smiled. 😊
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
I do have some plans to do some gondola comparisons at some point. But correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe Cloud spins the gondola in any of the dates. I know for sure Aerith does in her's. If anything I would say the opposite happened, and possibly Aerith intentionally stumbled over onto Cloud and of course his top tier bodyguard instincts came into play.
@potatofun3328
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpg Cloud does spin it in Aerith & Barret. Also, my mistake slightly...Every date, the date spins it out of curiosity first, then either the date or Cloud for a 2nd spin when spaceships crash in. But in all of them, Cloud is calm, collected, and remains seated except Aerith. ❤️ It's the only date where he STANDS UP on high alert during the crashing spaceships. That's what I was trying to highlight 😊 Cloud DOES spin it when Aerith is scared by the spaceships crashing...it's really quick and subtle. All dates spin first for curiosity, like, "What's this do?"........then soon spaceships: -Aerith is frightened. Cloud stands & spins it abrubtly to get out of the way of the crashing digital spaceships. -Tifa spins it. Cloud is calm & remains seated. -Yuffie spins it. Cloud is calm & seated. -Barret, Cloud spins it slowly, calm & seated. -Red XIII spins it, Cloud is calm & seated. -Cid spins it, Cloud is calm & seated.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
@@potatofun3328 Oh! I'll have to watch them all and see this, I never noticed this! Amazing catch!
@potatofun3328
Ай бұрын
@mlwjrpg Thanks and thank you for your awesome videos! 👍
@Wolfking1998
Ай бұрын
I would love to hear you're thoughts on if you think aerith will comeback or not in part 3
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
I do believe Aerith will have a huge role in part 3 and she will be back. In what way will she be back? Well that can go in many directions. But I'm fully convinced that Cloud saved her via the deflection and created another world where she is alive.
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
Come back? No. She's never gone. That's how lifestream works. And it's called reborn. She dissolved into Cloud after the fight. A version of her is staying at the altar praying, at least 2 other versions are in comatose. She explained it after the trial. Death and life are sides of the same coin. It's not that simple. Death -> lifestream -> give rise to new life. In her case, it might even be: death -> homecoming (the dream worlds) -> new life. On the beach, she gave Cloud the hint of her 'future self'. Of course this might only be available if Cloud chooses her.
@kingleonidas2182
Ай бұрын
Imagine how heartbreaking it was to figure this out firsthand as someone that tried to get Barret on their first run (I could’ve gotten him if I was mean to the rest of the party but I didn’t wanna do that)
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
Well, the devs' take has never changed. It was always around the dynamic of Cloud and Aerith. In Advent Children's ending, Aerith is the special person Cloud saw last while all other characters including Tifa were standing in group - which Cloud calls his big family. All of them are important supports for Cloud but the decisive factor is always Aerith. Maybe they will make Zack into the picture in Part 3 as Cloud's now living legacy but we might also witness a competition between Cloud and Zack.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Based off how Rebirth went, Zack is effectively out of the picture. He will play a role in helping out Cloud and Aerith in some shape or fashion in part 3, I look forward to that.
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpg At least there's one Zack that has jumped off the reactor and one Zack that is climbing the Shinra Tower to find the cure for Cloud. We might see those alternatives again in Part 3.
@dalegleneagles5072
Ай бұрын
Just like Loveless, he goes back to "those" he holds dear, but will ultimately return to her. Would be crazy if this ends in Cloud's death and their reunion in the lifestream.
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
@@dalegleneagles5072 Yeah, he teamed up with Aerith during the EoC last stand, not with anyone else. She then dissolved into him. We might not need to wait til Cloud's death this time because things have changed in Rebirth. It's no longer the same as OG. Part 3 would be where we - the player - choose.
@dalegleneagles5072
Ай бұрын
@@haihuynh8337 I used to think that too, but figure on the one hand, that's a TON of production - to have multiple endings. On the other hand, boy oh boy does it lead to multiple follow-ups/spin-offs ($$$). I just think a lifestream reunion makes sense in keeping with the OG and what it implied at the end 27 years ago.
@Bastion90
Ай бұрын
I'm sure that my chapter 8 date ended up being a coin flip based on the outfit I chose (not knowing it had an impact). I was doing all the side content, so it's more difficult to tell, but think I had both of them pretty evenly split.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Yeah doing all the side content causes way too much variance, so hard to say.
@Serenemistt
Ай бұрын
Great video as always, SE should sponsor you. We need more Clerith representation honestly! Thanks for speaking the truth
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Ha ha getting in cohoots with SE would be an honor and a lot of fun, who knows possibly. Yeah the lack of clerith content always bothered me for the longest, I've been working to change that!
@shivastars
Ай бұрын
Why is this even an argument lol? Aerith has and still is the main love interest. Just the fact that she’s the canon rosa is enough to put this debate to an end
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
Because there are people who love Tifa. So they defend it. It's a matter of preference.
@shivastars
Ай бұрын
@@haihuynh8337 You can prefer tifa and that’s fine but trying to deny canon and pushing forward a narrative that’s not true is going too far
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
@@shivastars Preference often blinds us.
@franciscochavarria1836
Ай бұрын
Ok, it makes no sense to me that chowing the risky choice on the mine section would increase Barrett’s, aside from that I agree with the attire section, that is too random to be a concise choice
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
If you switch the lever it gives you a prompt that "Yuffie will prefer this or Barret will" depending on which way you pull it, It gives you a hint but still there is no way to know it affects their affinity. Random as you said haha
@patriotsfan122480
Ай бұрын
Great video analyzing the affinity chances for the main story on its own. I am curious how the events themselves (like left or right at the beach, for example) score themselves vs the choices you make when selecting (like worst response = 1 pt, good = 2, best = 3). As you pointed out however, player preference can still sway those choices to lead the player towards 1 character over another, but it was just something that had me thinking when you pointed out for chapter 8 Tifa and Aerith have the same number of opportunities to be the date. I’m wondering what chances would be the still get them even at that point, or if certain events are weighed more still than others. Great vid man! Glad the algorithm suggested you!
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
I know someone on Twitter that is currently working on putting together a scoring system for affinity. It won't be 100% accurate, but could give some general ideas. I'm sure SE at some point will give confirmation through some official source.
@TheDelightfulFlowerLady
Ай бұрын
Thank you again, as usual you did a great job. Keep it going we need this type of content.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
You words are gold! This train isn't stopping anytime soon 🙏
@ahernandez5375
Ай бұрын
Thank you for your content !!
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
No prob! Glad you're enjoying it, more a cometh soon. 🙂
@klibrncriesalot
Ай бұрын
another great video bestie, only thing I’d change is showing all the amounts next to each other for helpful visual
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
I was thinking that right after uploading it actually, and was like...welp too late hahaha. Appreciate you! 😅
@gabrielarodrigues9475
Ай бұрын
I never noticed this, omg 🤯🤯🤯🤯
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Pretty cool detail right?
@PerfectEclipse
Ай бұрын
Quality content as always. Happy to see the views grow on each video :)
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Appreciate you! Really means a lot!
@brokenlegoman
Ай бұрын
No matter how you slice up this pizza the FF7 Remake and Rebirth story-lines were a disaster of epic proportions. The question remains, if they intended to fly off a cliff and make a whole new story in a alternate time line why even attempt to call it a "Remake" to begin with? You get the feeling that they didn't have the stones to re-tell or remake the original Playstation game's story in our year. A final fantasy game, too dark for the modern audience? Lol.
@Nat_the_White_Mage
Ай бұрын
Well, the game is a 'Remake', not a 'Remaster'. In my opinion, it meets the conditions to be considered a remake, but not everyone has to agree with it. Likewise, not everyone has to like every game, regardless of its title
@brokenlegoman
Ай бұрын
@@Nat_the_White_Mage yes i've heard that excuse and that isn't a worthy one. The story is now placed in a multi-paralel universe trope that does nothing but offer contradiction after contradiction to the games story, purpose and character arcs. The word "remake" does not entail "Remaking the story". That excuse has been made for this game for years and somehow the new game is worse than the game before it. Answer me this, do we have any other examples of remakes given that "REMADE" the story and somehow was successful? When being branded, marketed and advertised as a remake? The game flopped for a reason, no one asked for a new story but a modern up to date remake of the old one. We didn't get that.
@Nat_the_White_Mage
Ай бұрын
@@brokenlegoman It's true that the line between 'remake' and 'remade' is quite fluid. I haven't come across a definition of 'remake' that would exclude significant changes in the plot or gameplay. In any case, the game is owned by its creators, not the players, so they have the right to transform it as they see fit, whether we like it or not. If the game does not meet your expectations at all, you can always stick to the original and not bother with it
@brokenlegoman
Ай бұрын
@@Nat_the_White_Mage the definition of a remake excluding changes to the plot and gameplay comes from the past presentations of remake games. This is exactly what was the tagline of the entire series "the promise kept, has been made" during its initial reveal that year. Forget about all that gib you're providing about the creators this and that. The fact in iron clad terms is that we have no previous game that ripped up the script from the previous story, gave the FINGER and told fans "your story is in another castle, play this one" and was successful to any degree. This was a commercial failure to the creators and their company. Everyone knows and understands that now, and not one company has followed suit yet.
@Nat_the_White_Mage
Ай бұрын
@@brokenlegoman Even if the game was not received as well as the developers expected, there are still many players who liked it, including fans of the original. Personally, I played the OG for the first time in 1997. I have been a gamer for over 30 years and have experienced many disappointments with newly released games when they did not meet my expectations. But not in this case.
@OGBabygurl
Ай бұрын
Pure gold videos per usual!
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
That means a lot! Thanks! 😃
@animillsi3592
Ай бұрын
Well they have to cram Aerith's in to one game right. We should repeat this exercise in part 3 💅
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
The same in Advent Children too.
@ladyvergerin6791
Ай бұрын
Now all the "not Cloti" will come in the comments and convince you and us that we dreamed these obligatory scenes😅
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Probably will come up with some delusions, but this video was fair to everyone. As I pointed out with the chapter 8 date.
@raquelmota14
Ай бұрын
The'll say that's cloud's Zack persona or cloud being Crazy or aerith/jenova crap hahahah
@ladyvergerin6791
Ай бұрын
@@raquelmota14"...and actually Tifa has a kiss☝️"
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
Shipping? It's so funny because then the story teller must be the biggest shipper. It's a story that was written to break the heart of the readers. They made the 2 characters bond deeply then cut it off with Masamune. That's how it works. Every drama movie and game does it. Having Cloud x Tifa up to the end of Rebirth is non sense simply because it would go against the purpose of the devs. Part 3 maybe but Remake and Rebirth? No, it was all about Cloud x Aerith and that f***ing bastard Sephiroth. Love triagle, yes! But the third party is always Sephiroth.
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
@@ladyvergerin6791 Just after Cloud asked her if Aerith still has feelings for Zack??? And she literally lied that she doesn't know! No doubt Tifa kept a distance from Cloud when they got off the date. Weird way to kiss.
@kurearisu
Ай бұрын
I didn't know it happened and I put Aerith in her floral suit, tifa in her shorts, and Cloud shirtless cuz I wanted to see dem muscles
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Ha ha I don't blame you, I got lucky as I put Cloud in the other swimsuit as I thought he looked like a pokemon trainer lol, but I also had Aerith floral and Tifa in the jean shorts one too.
@brileonn
Ай бұрын
HAHA same I was like Cloud shirtless? Hell yes. But I preferred the long floral skirt for Aerith and then my affinity increased with Tifa by accident. I was like NO THIS IS ALL WRONG. I restarted and switched the girls' swimsuits so Aerith got favoured. 😁
@blazinglightning1425
23 күн бұрын
I think you're forgetting Barret's affinity from the after-battle of Dyne, so when they were being chased in that buggy. Unless you already consider it but it doesn't fits in this video.
@mlwjrpg
23 күн бұрын
Oh I actually forgot about that sequence and didn't know it increased affinity! Would be a mandatory choice!
@blazinglightning1425
23 күн бұрын
@@mlwjrpg It reminds me of the bike chase in Sector 4, (I think) with the trio, Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge and the Corel cart ride with Barret, Tifa, and Yuffie. The best outcome of the bike chase would result in Jessie kissing Cloud's cheek and we know for the cart ride.
@priscilabee583
Ай бұрын
Thanks, great video! Its going to be interesting paying attention to these things on my second playthrough!
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
At some point I want to do a main story only playthrough and ignore 100% all side content.
@IndriAndri340
Ай бұрын
@mlwjrpg I actually did that and still feels very Aerith focused also less pain with the minigames haha.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
@@IndriAndri340 That's awesome! I expect it to fully line up with the video here.
@AlyssaJ14
Ай бұрын
So just to clarify, does this mean you CAN skip talking to Aerith in Under Junon and Costa del Sol? I honestly thought all her affinity convos were required, but I never tried to skip anyone or progress the story when given the opportunity. I just thought any time you were told to talk to the party you HAD to hit up everyone. I did find it notable that Aerith was tied to the plot in Kalm and Cosmo Canyon though. And I think it's worth noting that even if they CAN be skipped, her Under Junon and Costa del Sol convos are still pretty significant. In Under Junon you have a plot cutscene leading you to her room where Cloud eavesdrops because he hears an unfamiliar voice in her room (early sign of jealousy maybe?), AND you're likely to go in considering the scene shows you a weapon chest in there, so how many people would just not talk to her after going in her room? And Costa del Sol of course has a whole moving cutscene compared to everyone else standing/sitting while they talk in place.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Yes she can be skipped in Under Junon but it's not likely at all unless the player is intentionally avoiding her. As you mentioned the eavesdropping by Cloud is kinda pushing the player to talk to her, also as she shuts the door you can clearly see the purple chest in there (meaning a new weapon) so another cue to go insider her room.
@dalegleneagles5072
Ай бұрын
You indirectly raise an interesting point: is there a way to improve affinity with Cait Sith? Never thought about it, but even with using synergy, I don't think I ever got him past charcoal color. Maybe because he's not "alive"?
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Cait doesn't have ties to affinity it seems. Even when using synergy attacks with him, doesn't do anything. Poor Cait
@eothain1632
Ай бұрын
This video deserves more views. Well done.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Appreciate you!
@StakeMammon
Ай бұрын
That Persona BGM feels surprisingly good overlayed on this video
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
I can listen to that BGM all day long lol
@ForEverClerith
Ай бұрын
The matching swimsuits perfect for Clerith is the Floral Delight for Aerith and the Ocean Chocobo for Cloud. Then opposite on Tifa from Cloud and Aerith. In my replay, I put Tifa in the Shinra uniform instead of the swimsuit. It worked out great.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
No matter what they click 😏
@SasuraChan
Ай бұрын
I think they stayed very true to the OG and I think Aerith got her moment in Rebirth like she had in the OG and thats good. But for me the game actually became my favorite game with the livestream sequence. I cant wait for part three and I'm curious if they continue the affinity system or not. I think they wont do it, cause in part 3 we will finally see the real Cloud and I think it would be best if he's not able to have players choices.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Yeah it's going to be very interesting how the major beats play out in part 3, I very much look forward to all of them. I personally hope they don't go with an affinity system, and do something similar to Remake.
@VincentJascha
Ай бұрын
Doesn't it makes it easier to increase the affinity of those who got less opportunities? Or is it like everyone get's the same increase by every choice? 🤔
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
The Rebirth Ultimania has some points distributions I believe, and they are even based on what it is.
@drumjod
Ай бұрын
So to sum it up, the 'Surprising Fact' is that Rebirth's main story gives the most mandatory choices to affect Aerith's affinity. Reading the comments, it sounds like this is essentially all about "shipping," right? I've always thought the OG and new Remakes are very diliberately leaving this open to interperpretation and giving the players plenty of choices so they can make their own decision, or even make no decision at all. Arguing if there's an official 'canon' answer to Cloud having only 1 true love (or strong feelings for more than 1 person) can be fun, but I don't take it too seriously : )
@1destinyslegacy
Ай бұрын
Well...given her fate in the end...kinda makes sense to make her the feature...but I do agree that there will be biases...
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Depends on how one interprets the ending when considering her fate.
@brycetheoddball
Ай бұрын
I love how you constantly emphasize “only the main story” which is what I tell people to do when they complain about this game cause it’s a very fast paced 36 hours, but the more I think about it, this game isn’t meant to be played that linear and I think I love it for that.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
The pacing of Rebirth is top tier when you do a main story focused only playthrough. It's very much objectively criticized for having pacing issues outside focusing on the main story. Sure having loads of side content is a great feature, but that also can deter many players experience of the story. And it's very much common for people to not want to do side content on their first playthrough or opt to do side content after they finish.
@meteordaddy8638
Ай бұрын
The game pushes you to date her so that her death gives more impact.
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
No. They didn't even show her death as the main scene. They showed it as flashback, being rejected by Cloud. The game pushes you to date her so that she reciprocates. This gives more sense to the development of the dynamic between Cloud and Aerith, so that the 'strife' part of Cloud becomes more visible and has a proper cause. Without it, there won't be a cause worth fighting for - as per Barret stated in Remake.
@Drakengard65
28 күн бұрын
For me Tifa will allways be the main girl.
@mlwjrpg
28 күн бұрын
I can respect that opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.
@alphakowaclips
25 күн бұрын
So in short, FF7 is a harem and it's a sport who "wins" 🤣
@Jammineyeonline
Ай бұрын
The narrative of the story is to fall in love with aerith! Just like the original. The player is supposed to love Aerith. Because when she passes away, it makes it the more impactful. BUT!!! There is a clear difference between Narrative and plot. Tifa is the plot. She is the one that was from the start, supposedto end up with cloud, everything points to this, and its something that clearly even Aerith knows!
@Nat_the_White_Mage
Ай бұрын
The events in Advent Children are not very convincing in this respect, at least not for me
@001Sweety
Ай бұрын
To no one but denying Clotis who love to twist the narrative to fit their girl. As a new player brainwashed by Cloti fan arts and fan fics, coming into Remake/Rebrith then OG between was eyes opening and now I know that the real Jenova of FF7 fandom are Clotis 😂 Aerith is main character and love interest both in story, narrative and plot! Tifa wouldn’t exist if they didn’t chose to kill Aerith and that says a lot as an author myself.
@Jammineyeonline
Ай бұрын
@001Sweety you obviously dont know how story structures are told. What am trying to say is that aerith is supposed to be an obvious choice for a reason. The story structure of FF7 main plot is that not everything is what it seems. And obvious things are the wrong choice.
@001Sweety
Ай бұрын
@@JammineyeonlinePls as a writer I know more about story structure than casual player who prefers big boobs over real character. Obvious, not as it seems that is called delusion and what you like to call us mind gymnastics to make your narrative true. I played many games with romance in the background and read many books I can pint point canon couple immediately and which will break up bc they are only to build up the character. Tifa is that support character to make players understand Clouds background and who he is, where he comes from. Almost all ff games have tragic love story canon couple (I didn’t play too many of them but I’m going to do) and I know for fact that magic girl x main character is always the main couple answer. Btw if this video triggered you and made you feel you need to comment your unnecessary“opinion” it means that you see the truth and is scared of it so trying to make other go to your side will not make your fantasies true.
@Jammineyeonline
Ай бұрын
@001Sweety oh, please. You didn't need to say all that. You could have just said. I disagree. But i can tell you like to add extra details where it's not necessary!
@elfsong713
Ай бұрын
Aerith is the favored choice for the story as she is ultimately the most important to the story in this game. But with the Tifa almost kiss and kiss scenes, she is the favored choice for romance. Don't @ me, shippers. This is just what I see from playing the game.
@Serenemistt
Ай бұрын
@@elfsong713 Not according to Claudia, it’s Aerith who she prefers for her son. That’s telling lol
@Nat_the_White_Mage
Ай бұрын
Not everyone considers the physical manifestation of feelings to be so important
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
You know you would be onto something here if it weren't for the fact that the kiss wasn't part of the main story narrative.
@haihuynh8337
Ай бұрын
Simple explanation: Tifa: Firstly, kiss and almost kiss because she's Cloud's childhood dream. Do you want to kiss the one you dream of? Sure, everyone dreams of it. Secondly, Tifa doesn't have another romantic option. All she has left now is Cloud. No barrier, except that bastard you-know-who that keeps trying to make Cloud kill her. Aerith: Firstly, No kiss because it would ruin the subsequent main story's scene of the Church date where Aerith officially confesses her love. Kissing at any time before that would make such scene stupid and lessen the building up of the dynamics between Aerith and Cloud. Remember that losing your loved one just a few moments after you learned about it is very very painful as the feeling is still fresh. Secondly, Aerith is known to be with Zack up until the Church date scene. Cloud keeps asking about it even during his date with Tifa (WTF???). It's the biggest barrier! If Cloud kisses her without being clear that she no longer loves Zack, he would be considered betraying Zack, Cloud being his legacy. Cloud is way better than that.
@elfsong713
Ай бұрын
@@Serenemistt and everyone picks their date based on who their mom likes
@erichaslam7952
Ай бұрын
Faux intellectuals when a narrative driven hero story has you play as a hero along the narrative: 😮😮😮 And you take yourself serious
@Nat_the_White_Mage
Ай бұрын
What really matters is what devs take seriously. How we call or describe it is not that important.
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching
@erichaslam7952
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpg no prob. Always good to find a channel I can block to clean up my recommendations. Win win
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
@@erichaslam7952 Good thing you commented a few times before you did that. 😉
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
@@erichaslam7952 Thanks for commenting a few times before you did that. 😉
@brycetheoddball
Ай бұрын
And he STILL kissed Tifa!
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
And you want to explain to me why tons of players didn't even see this?
@Nat_the_White_Mage
Ай бұрын
And you STILL base your ship on one of the most optional parts of the game!
@brycetheoddball
Ай бұрын
@@Nat_the_White_Mage lol, he ain’t kiss anyone else.
@Nat_the_White_Mage
Ай бұрын
@@brycetheoddball In my playthrough he ain't kiss anyone at all. But in yours he definitely interlocks fingers with someone at least once. Unless you haven't beaten the whole game yet. In that case, sorry for the spoiler
@brycetheoddball
Ай бұрын
@@Nat_the_White_Mage I have the platinum. That interlocking fingers bullshit don’t mean much when they make Gongaga mandatory and put Tifa at the center of it and Cloud clearly wants to kiss her at the end but with Aerith he’s like “What’s going on with you? You’ve been weird all day!”
@lightninghope7265
Ай бұрын
Excellent video. I'm glad to know that my sweet Aerith has such memorable moments and to know that they are mandatory. I feel sorry for Tifa fans. Since for me they are not mandatory since Aerith is my favorite character. By the way, I have a doubt, this is the second time I see that they do not mention or make it mandatory a conversation that Cloud has after telling what happens in Nibelhiem 5 years before with Tifa. I want to know because that scene is not mandatory or mentioned how that scene is considered. I hope you can clear up this doubt for me. Thank you.☁️🌸
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
Nope Tifa isn't mandatory in Nibelhiem, which to me is very odd. I assumed she was, but you can 100% skip her conversation.
@lightninghope7265
Ай бұрын
@@mlwjrpg I'm glad it's not. I'm sorry. A question as considered in chapter 14 and Cloud and Tifa's talk in Kalm. I guess they are part of the story. Thanks for answering me.☁️🌸
@patriotsfan122480
Ай бұрын
Great video analyzing the affinity chances for the main story on its own. I am curious how the events themselves (like left or right at the beach, for example) score themselves vs the choices you make when selecting (like worst response = 1 pt, good = 2, best = 3). As you pointed out however, player preference can still sway those choices to lead the player towards 1 character over another, but it was just something that had me thinking when you pointed out for chapter 8 Tifa and Aerith have the same number of opportunities to be the date. I’m wondering what chances would be the still get them even at that point, or if certain events are weighed more still than others. Great vid man! Glad the algorithm suggested you!
@mlwjrpg
Ай бұрын
I know someone on Twitter that is working on putting together some rough scoring system with affinity. Unfortunately, it will not be 100% spot on but can give a general idea. Hopefully SE will release some clarification on this via official sources such as an ultimania. Glad you enjoyed the vid.
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