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@kena5906
5 жыл бұрын
I have a 2013 DRZ400 and a 2017 DR650. The 400 suspension is definitely better suited for heavy riders and rougher terrain,but the 650 is sooooo much nicer to ride any kind of distance on. The 400 is way to buzzy and doesn’t have the transmission for proper road travel. The 650 can do it all. With a few suspension mods the mighty DR will tackle anything and you won’t be fatigued at the end of the day.
@kyoakland
5 жыл бұрын
That's why i sold my drz for a dr and it was the best decision i made
@randydewees7338
Жыл бұрын
I've had both, agree 95% with you. The DR is heavy, the DRZ tall and heavy, I'm not heavy, so at the end of the day on either bike I've been fatigued. My choice for dualsport? WR250R uncorked. But between the DR and DRZ for any kind of riding, DR only. In fact, if one comes by at a good price, I'll pick it up for modding into a big bore street tracker
@crypticreality8484
3 ай бұрын
I'm 180lbs and my DR-Z isn't strained or buzzy at all at 65mph. Plus I have little interest in going much faster than that so it works for me since it's much better on gnarlier trails.
@Artur1959
5 жыл бұрын
Both bikes have that "japanese thing" that makes you trust the machines you are riding.
@CptAngelKGaming
4 жыл бұрын
@pablo gonzalez Lmao yeah. People see those overweight and underpowered bikes with poor peripherals and call it "Japanese trustworthiness" when in fact they won't break because they don't perform in the first place.
@chasp_0784
4 жыл бұрын
Angel K.N I’ll take buying old and slow on a budget over no adventure at all.
@EuthanasiaSUPREME
4 жыл бұрын
@Donald Trump lmao destroyed them
@munkeemunks
4 жыл бұрын
Haters gon hate. :D
@ajaxmaintenance5104
4 жыл бұрын
Artur G I got that Japanese Thing, and now it hurts when I pee...
@fredpinczuk7352
5 жыл бұрын
Conclusion, take a 650 cc engine and stick it in the DR-Z frame.
@billybunter3753
5 жыл бұрын
I have the DR650, my son has the DRZ400E, and I've often wished for the 650's engine in the 400's frame!
@omer426
4 жыл бұрын
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@merrickx
4 жыл бұрын
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@omer426
4 жыл бұрын
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@ted356
4 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder why Suzuki hasn’t done.
@letitroll610
5 жыл бұрын
They are both Great, I have put over 30,000 miles on each (and 15,000 on xr650L). Can go back and forth all day on the pros and cons, but in the end unless you have trouble with the height of the DRZ, or plan on riding more than 250 miles per day, the safety and time made up in the dirt outweigh the deficit on the street. Most people always trying to make their heavy, poor handling dualsport bike better in the dirt (suspension, weight, etc.) Get the better dirtbike, and put on a good seat, windscreen, and gearing (taller) to make it better on the street, cheaper mods, much safer, and more fun for the time you are in the dirt.
@juddadam2
5 жыл бұрын
With the price difference between the two bikes, you could get the 650 and upgrade suspension to something way better than the 400 for around same price. 650 is the better buy, 400 is overpriced.
@ericbaumgartner5742
5 жыл бұрын
Im just about 60 and have owned numerous 30-40 bikes over the years . Cruisers . road bikes , many single cylinder dual sports from 200 to 650 cc and also a Vstrom and a Versys. Favorite bike overall is the DRZ400 hands down.
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
That's saying a lot with how many you've had! Thanks for sharing.
@marksfarmcraft1888
2 жыл бұрын
I'm there with you Eric. Same, same! I have a DRZ 400 SM and am really loving it! I just came off 30 years of super sports, last one being an SV1000S, which is a great street bike BTW. This little bike is great on the road, of course. I tear up the back roads in TN where I now live. I take corners faster and do some things that are unbecoming a nearly 61yo. :-) Makes me feel a bit younger when I ride it! With some Shinko 705's on the SM, it does pretty well offroad, as long as I stay away from the wet clay in these parts. :-) I might look into a set of 18 / 21 wheels/tires for offroad. You are correct though, the 400 is a very fun bike!
@7x779
2 жыл бұрын
How about if you want to ride on the highway and take a passenger, and if the off-road areas you ride mostly very long and fast dirt roads?
@redtobertshateshandles
2 жыл бұрын
@@7x779 here in Australia recently an old guy came off his big fast adventure bike and nearly died. My mates came across another guy with a BMW that he couldn't pick up by himself.
@7x779
2 жыл бұрын
@@redtobertshateshandles thanks for sharing that, it helps temper my lust and longing for a big adventure bike. My job and lifestyle doesn't allow extensive planning and group trips so I like to take spur-of-the-moment solo trips or with a passenger as time schedule and the weather allows. Not being able to pick up a bike if you fall over takes the fun and the adventure part out of an adventure bike Especially as you get older and weaker and lose a lot of your strength For me I would think a Husqvarna 701 or Zuki dr650 would be ideal, except once again even after 40 years the manufacturers don't seem to have enough sense to gear them correctly. Even the 701 has a 6-speed, owner still complain that the ratios are too close and they still longing for a 7th or 8th gear on the highway Having to spend thousands of dollars for an aftermarket transmission to be installed is absolutely ridiculous
@RobGADV
4 жыл бұрын
My '96 DR650 that I bought ten years ago has been fantastic. I've put a ton of mods on it and I've put over 25,000 miles on it and it's been an amazing bike. Cogent Dynamics rear shock is fully adjustable and a stiffer spring works great. Up front I did Gold Valves and stiffer springs. It's just awesome. Future plans include the 790 big bore.
@snowflakecuntreeman3947
3 жыл бұрын
KLR 650, DR 650 , DR-Z400 , perfect examples of road to dirt transition, the DR 650 was my pick because it does both well but neither as good as the other. offroad there are going to be instances where you simply will not cross a certain obstacle with the KLR without damaging it, the DR is going to be a challenge but you will pass with no damage . On the road as everyone knows the KLR is the comfort king , so if touring mostly highway and doing some dirt roads with a simple single trail here and there then the KLR is your bike. If extended camping trips on backroads and mostly single trail paths and "bush tracking" is your thing with the odd one out highway trip then its DRz all the way. As a daily commuter and adventure bike i'd throw the DRz out of the mix and lean twords the DR instead of the KLR, as the maintenance on the DR is just a tad bit simpler for commuting aswell as field repairs. I could not decide what i wanted to do and then decided i wanted to do a mix bag of everything and there is just one of the three that ticks all the boxes and that is the DR 650. Move along a couple of years and i started doing more local one day outings so i should probably have gotten the DRz , but the DR still does it all, a bit more effort but that is a easy trade-off for the superior highway capability it still has. I'm gonna go up 2 or so teeth on the rear sprocket once its time for replacement and im sure that is gonna make a world of a difference for my current needs ,..... well that was the idea till i broke my femoral neck and was out for a few months and discovered a new hobby , light weight 4X4-ing , bought a cheap beat up terios for the price of a DR or DRz and now i can experience nature with my daughters , i mean we go through all the shrubs big fancy 4X4's dont want to go through because they dont want to get scratches. the suzuki jimny would have been a better idea but yeh water under the bridge , the packing and camping style is more or less the same as with a bike as there is very limited space and 4 people need to pack very light , so keeping the DR for later years when the kids are teenagers and dont like me anymore , but for now i want to experience life with my kids and a light weight 4X4 with a price tag matching that of a DR and not having the fuel consumption of a old cheap V8 is the perfect thing for me , it has no diff locks so there is alot of digging , rock packing and rope pulling involved in simple outings and man is it fun !!!! So for now i'll be a "youtube biker" , just to keep in touch with my free spirited brethren.
@M.TTT.
2 жыл бұрын
Good comparison and info on the 3 bikes. I might just start out with a cheaper 200 or 250 bike and then graduate to a 400 or 650. I'm 5'10" and have only ridden bikes a small amount compared to ATV/quads, so I think the 650 would be easier/more comfortable, the 400 at the dealership was at my tippy-toe limit, not sure if its adjustable much stock. I'd probably only do like 10-20% offroad anyways. Your femoral neck femur injury sounds very rough, but good you found something else fun to do. Those lightweight 4x4s look awesome, usually end up going more places than the heavys as they'll float more over mud and such, only issue is ground clearance sometimes - and having a cheap 4x4 you can actually beat up with no regrets actually lets ya have fun. The MPG is a good point too, if you get lockers, even cheap mechanical "lunch box", it would be almost unstoppable - but a cheap $100 winch and a mount in the front and back would be great.
@davebutler9276
5 жыл бұрын
He failed to mention while talking about the transmission that the DR has a much better spread between gears than the DRZ. The DR will run all day long at 75mph and feel relaxed doing it while the DRZ is screaming at 65-70mph.
@kyoakland
5 жыл бұрын
Dave Butler and that's why I sold my DRZ for a dr you're 100% correct
@SteviePeeOutDoorLife
5 жыл бұрын
different sprocket is a cheap easy 10 min fix
@TheRyadrian
5 жыл бұрын
Then would have no ball sacks. @@SteviePeeOutDoorLife
@crashsoome
5 жыл бұрын
I thought he did mention the DRZ has a different RPM range
@Brittvanegas
5 жыл бұрын
My drz is bone stock does 105mph I Cruze on the highway at 80 mph, I just changed the back sprocket. I didnt even need to cut the chain
@donlopez3185
4 жыл бұрын
Great review. My 2005 DRZ400S has 26k miles and has been a great bike on motorcross, single-track, dirt roads and highways. It is capable of interstate speeds, but not comfortable and doesn’t have the fuel range for long distance adventure riding. The suspension is awesome, and it is probably the best dual sport bike for it’s price. I now have a KTM 790R (with cruise control), but keeping the DRZ for hardcore dirt.
@kenlittle5706
5 жыл бұрын
Not even a contest... shim adjusted valves vs wrench, cooling system vs not, wider ratio trans.. low end torque. larger riding layout. Room under the sprocket cover for more teeth. (60mpg capable). I was a mechanic at a Suzuki dealer for 30 years... DRZs are great, but if I'm gonna be somewhere between bumf%$k and hells a hole I'm going with the 650.
@izom
5 жыл бұрын
agree 100% - same for honda- the aircooled 350-650 where the best ....
@billbuck3590
5 жыл бұрын
Yea dude, they're just tools for different jobs. the DRZ is great for tight trails, mud and like
@thulsa5218
4 жыл бұрын
Amen brotha...I agree completely!
@elij.s.7580
4 жыл бұрын
@Philip Thomas a busted hose or smashed radiator can leave you stranded, a stuck thermostat will leave you stranded, and a broken pump impeller will leave you stranded. Air Cooled means there's no cooling system, so in a harsh environment it can prove more practical and dependable. However a liquid cooled bike has a huge number of advantages, and for a daily ridden street commuter I would absolutely choose liquid cooled. On a light duty, occasional trail ridden dual sport I would choose liquid cooled. But for a mountainous, treacherous, cross country adventure bike I may lean towards air cooled.
@elij.s.7580
4 жыл бұрын
well said
@641pjensen
5 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the biggest advantage of the DR650! It has a nice wide ratio 5spd, the DRZ400 has a very narrow range 5spd. It sucks on the highway, and you cant fix it with a sprocket change because 1st gear will be way too high. I originally owned a DRZ400 and switched to a DR650 because of this. If you were just doing small stints on paved backroads to get between trails (AKA dual sporting), it is fine. If you need to ride significant miles on the road (aka adventure riding) it's a huge drawback.
@pinkiewerewolf
Жыл бұрын
This is the comment that I needed to hear to decide between the two bikes. I am looking for something simple that could fill in for my KTM 890 Adventure S if it is down for mods or repairs. I routinely ride a 1000 mile loop so I need to be able to pull a 500 mile day on mostly freeway. This trumps my desire for the better off-road capabilities of the DRZ.
@felipetejeda7545
Жыл бұрын
Exactly if you have to ride over 50 miles on pavement to get to your trails at highway speeds you’re going to be tired and drained by the time you get to the trails. DRZ is great if you’re gonna throw it on the trailer and drive to the trail, but if it’s oh want a do it all bike DR 650 the best.
@boarder989
5 жыл бұрын
The DR650 has always been one of my favorite bikes!
@kyoakland
5 жыл бұрын
love mine its a keeper
@TheRyadrian
5 жыл бұрын
Love mine too I might go give the tank a little hug right now.
@TheRyadrian
5 жыл бұрын
and sniff the seat
@stephanieburger8672
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheRyadrian TMI :)
@TheRyadrian
5 жыл бұрын
@@stephanieburger8672 :)
@bradjacobs1844
4 жыл бұрын
I'm over 60 years old and find that the limiting factor when you are older is the ability to pick up the bike when you go down. Your lower back past age 50 really gives you fits and picking up a loaded DR650 becomes quite a task, especially if you ride alone as I sometimes do. I believe the 650 is the bike for me, but as I get closer to 70 I have to make hard decisions. I currently ride a KLX250S as its even lighter than the DRZ but would prefer the extra power (no comparison) of the DRZ. The KLX has a hard time maintaining 60 mph on a slight incline @ 5000' elevation. I'm sure that's no problem for the DRZ. It would benefit SUZUKI greatly if they added a 6th gear to the DRZ, even if they still maintained the carb instead of FI. There must be a good reason why they don't upgrade to a 6-speed as the DS riders all agree that the bike would benefit greatly. I owned a 1991 DR350 (kicker) and wish they still offered that bike as it was a great compromise....more power than the 250's, air-cooled and comes with a 6-speed. I remember there was a 441cc kit for the 350 if power was ever an issue.
@rushjohnston5718
4 жыл бұрын
They can’t update the DRZ because it’s grandfathered in. If they updated it they would have to modify a lot for emissions. I think that’s the reason.
@bradjacobs1844
4 жыл бұрын
How come KAWASAKI was able to add FI to the KLX250S in 2018? They didn't even have to increase the price significantly. I believe the DRZ stills sells and they're still making a profit on it, so why change a thing? I still have hope that they will update it and surprise us all!
@Quinnjamin2020
3 жыл бұрын
@@bradjacobs1844 because its a 250...
@pigtailbbq1982
5 жыл бұрын
I have one of each. Comparable hp but 650 has large torque advantage. I'm 6 foot tall 245 lbs I never choose the 400. The 650 feels more stable.
@jaronfisher473
3 жыл бұрын
I have five bikes including a Beta 300rr which is the bike I ride the most, also an xr600r, a klx250, a drz400 and a kdx200. If I was to sell all my bikes but one, I'd keep the drz. It's just the most versatile bike I have. Not to mention it's set up for adventure with luggage, an oversize gas tank and all the engine mods except high compression and stroked. It does well enough on the single tracks and good on the highway. It has plenty of power and is very dependable. I have 27,000 miles on the clock and it runs flawlessly and I'm not easy on it. I like to go fast on the dirt. So yeah, drz all day.
@kayvalencia2223
4 жыл бұрын
I personally own a DRZ-400 great bike for street, trail, sliding down the pavement at 52mph all great
@SkratchyMoto
4 жыл бұрын
Loved my 650. Heavier springs and DDCs up front, Cogent shock internals in the rear. It was an awesome 3-5 day adventure bike. Comfortable and capable.
@randydewees7338
Жыл бұрын
I did all on my DR. But I found that a fork brace really helped in loose rutted conditions.
@timur4467
4 жыл бұрын
I'm selling my big GS and want to buy DRZ400. I want a real offroad motorbike.
@steelmilkjug
4 жыл бұрын
Can you image a DR650 with EFI, modern suspension, and a 6th gear :) Keep everything else the same, air cooled, especially the body, and you'll have yourself another 30 years of WINNING.
@SJulianYZ125
4 жыл бұрын
Yup would be nice, but its grandfathered as is, adding EFI would force it to have to comply with current DOT/EPA emissions and sound requirements, it would have to have a CAT, SMOG/Air Pump and a lot more noise reduction. This is why Honda (XR650L), Kawasaki (KLR650) and Suzuki have kept these bike more or less as is for nearly 30 years. The KLR did change dramatically in 2008 but that was 99% chassis, suspension, cosmetic, the motor was left almost unchanged for this reason.
@gabenguyen1216
3 жыл бұрын
There is an efi conversion kit out there. Requires some tuning but it’s what we got.
@gavinbjerke2753
5 жыл бұрын
XR 650 r please! Make Honda great again!
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
I would love one, but the kick starter kills it for an ADV bike. hard to carry luggage that gets in the way of the kicker... - Justin
@brucejanacek6263
5 жыл бұрын
Gavin Bjerke you give up a lot . Carrying, passengers. Mines got all hp upgrades & smile factor is high.
@mtube620
5 жыл бұрын
of course, new xr650L should have FI and electric start. I hope it has slight lower seat height as well. A new XR500L with 6 speed is nice too
@MrThenry1988
5 жыл бұрын
Xr650l is electric start.
@dangrimes5078
5 жыл бұрын
I had a beautiful xr650r street legal honda power up kit but I couldn't kick it anymore because hip problem. Now I have the 650L. Still a nice bike but nowhere close to the 650r. If anyone read this whole thing you probably need a hobby.
@justgjt
3 жыл бұрын
Go for a DRZ400 rolling chassis with a DR650SE motor in it = Best of both worlds
@SteelJM1
5 жыл бұрын
Find a used DR650 on the cheap. Put on RMZ450 forks, change out the CV carb for a TM 40 and change out that crappy rear shock and you're kickin butt with one of the best ADV bikes there is. Bigger aftermarket tank, better seat, and a few other little things that's up to preference to make it perfect for you.
@FanOWater
5 жыл бұрын
I love my DRZ, my buddy loves his DR. Win-win
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
I agree! - Justin
@kyoakland
5 жыл бұрын
I had a DRZ Supermoto for commuting and then I switched to a dr650 Supermoto for commuting and it made a hell of a difference!!, for the street I recommended dr650 hands down.....
@josechimal1358
5 жыл бұрын
does the dr650 feels heavy as a supermoto?
@kyoakland
5 жыл бұрын
@@josechimal1358 definitely a little heavier but torque is great
@paulp8029
3 жыл бұрын
2006 DR650 - done several 10 day 1500 mile mostly dirt adventures, this bike rocks. Super easy maintenance as well. Upgrade skid plate, larger tank, lights, route a spare clutch cable and you are golden!
@ridermak4111
5 жыл бұрын
I’m 60 and still love my Kaw Concours 14 Over the ten years I’ve had it I’ve dumped a ton of money into it to make it mine so I can’t even think about selling it. I’ve wanted a dual sport forever but just couldn’t justify it. I’ve narrowed my choice clear down to the DR 650 for my age and 250 lbs. Gonna need full suspension kit. Off roading will be mild trails. I’m too old for preventable broken bones. I’m going to shop slowly and patiently for one that someone has already lovingly dumped a wad of money on upgrades. 🤙
@PatrickKQ4HBD
4 жыл бұрын
My son just bought a Concours 1000 a few months ago and loves it.
@hershelthrasher502
5 жыл бұрын
The DRZ is not made for jumping i learned that the hard way. I think i bounced higher after landing than i did jumping the hill.
@savagehooliganz8747
5 жыл бұрын
aech thrasher haha I’d have to disagree, maybe you just need to drop a little weight off it an revalue the suspension with heavier springs
@drzrider3440
5 жыл бұрын
Adjust your rebound. I jump my drz all the time. Only about 6 feet of air under it, but handles it very well. I have stiffer springs installed at both ends too. Over 30,000 miles on it. Runs and rides like new.
@anand3033
4 жыл бұрын
Hahahaaa
@anand3033
4 жыл бұрын
Nice
@JohnErikjohansson
4 жыл бұрын
MY SM did OK
@frankcrawford416
5 жыл бұрын
A great review of both strengths and weaknesses. Finally someone who does not add 5,000 bucks in changes to either bike as well.
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
thanks! - Justin
@RKmndo
4 жыл бұрын
I upgrade my DR650s with some used parts on the cheap, and can sell the stock parts to recoup costs. I got 5gal tanks for $100-$150. I got skids for $50. I got a GSXR muff for free. Used DR-Z forks and shocks can be adapted to a DR650. RM or KTM suspension can be fitted too. DRs don't necessarily need racks to haul luggage either. A duffel straps to the rear fender and seat just fine. So do rackless bags like Giant Loop or MoskoMoto. Tank panniers and tank bag work well too. Green Chile offers rackless options for luggage too.
@sesa2984
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Went to Suzukis website because I cant afford an adv bike but got the idea a dual sport would be a good everyday commuter for me that I could strap to my campervan for a backup ride/fun bike, and I couldn't understand why the 400 cost more than the 650. I have a fiancee whose not terribly comfortable sitting on our scooter back....is there any kind of aftermarket seat for these types of bikes that can provide a sissy bar or rest of any kind for the pure psychological comfort? I suppose if there was a good way to attach a large luggage device that might work as well. I couldn't find a whole lot of info on aftermarket firrings for these guys
@machupikachu1085
11 ай бұрын
Seat Concepts and Sergeant both make really nice, expensive comfy sets for both bikes. The Dr.Z is more expensive as it is water cooled, and is more costly to produce than the Dr. which is air cooled with an oil cooler. Both Tusk and Nelson Rigg make great soft bags for dirt bikes - so you won't need the extra weight of panniers. If you plan on doing more off road, city commutes and only occasional free/highway, the 400 is your better choice. It is excellent in the dirt, but abject misery on the open road for anything over an hour or so. It's too light. If you plan on using the bike on the road or highway - the 650 is your guy. It will however suffer off road in the gnarly stuff as it's stock suspension is, well, sus. It sucks to pick up as well - it's too heavy. That 40lb weight difference makes the Dr way better on the highway with a dirt penalty, and that same 40lbs makes the Dr.Z way better on the dirt with a freeway penalty. Also tires make a MASSIVE difference. I'd rather take a 650 with MT21 tires off road than a 400 with trailwings. There's no unicorn machine and no free lunch. Pick your poison and choose your weapon. Hope that helps. Cheers!
@dandeon7742
5 жыл бұрын
I have a pretty much stock DRZ400 , ride trails all over Colorado and have a blast.
@tylermiller9974
4 жыл бұрын
Muzzleloader 77 where at in Colorado? I’m new here and currently live in the springs. Do you know where he’s riding at in the video?
@jamest.5001
5 жыл бұрын
Watch the wheelies, or you may need a ....DR!
@marty922
5 жыл бұрын
I think the DRZ needs a 6th gear. Better ratios on the DR
@79gsonethousand
5 жыл бұрын
Ive owned both. i found the dr650 fine but too wide. Good all around though. The drz400 could used a ratio somewhere in between the two bikes. Its too low but it woild have no balls if it was as wide as the dr650. The 6th gear would be a plus with the high comp drz engine but it defanetly would do just fine with a slightly wider ratio 5 speed.
@jorgeka5809
5 жыл бұрын
I have a drz and I totally agree.
@RKmndo
4 жыл бұрын
@@79gsonethousand The DR pulls the spread better with a pumper carb or EFI, because low-RPM running is smoother.. A big bore and cam can help too.
@toine0002
Жыл бұрын
As a tall guy with already a heavy ADV bike for more road oriented use, this video helped me choose. I'm orienting my choice towards the DRZ 400 thanks to you.
@T30-z5w
5 жыл бұрын
I've had them both. Put 5,000 miles on the DRZ and over 50,000 on the DR. Once modded I took my DR anywhere off road the DRZ would go. The DRs gear ratios are much better for the road. DR gets my vote for versatility but the DRZ is a fine bike.
@kyoakland
5 жыл бұрын
T30 I sold my DRZ for a Dr and I never looked back
@T30-z5w
5 жыл бұрын
I sold the DR and bought a KTM690R. It’s a nice bike that’s faster, has ABS, and has a much better suspension but no where near as versatile as the DR except for the better KTM stator for running heated gear. On the Hwy the DR is better than my 2016 690. Pre-2020 690Rs are buzzy.at hwy speeds. New ones are suppose to have an extra counter balancer for smoother performance. The DR is simply a great all around package.
@billallen4793
5 жыл бұрын
@@T30-z5w and half the money compared to the ktm's....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
@kyoakland
5 жыл бұрын
@@T30-z5w i agree
@Tuber360904
4 жыл бұрын
Tbh I think if you have a drz400 or a drz650 you are in possession of a an amazing bike that gives an insanely high smile per dollar ratio.
@caseyholthaus6626
3 жыл бұрын
I ended up going with the DR for riding 2up on occasion. Love my bike 🤙🏻
@adamniswonger8015
3 ай бұрын
You can add the DRZ400 clutch arm to the DR650 to lighten the pull and expand the friction zone. It’s slightly longer. You will need to hit it with a thin file for about 5 minutes for the cable to fit, but it’s an easy, worthwhile mod.
@Th3Barbarian01
4 жыл бұрын
Suzuki Dr 650 cc is like a highlander the immortal of motorcycles
@coreyshortland2074
5 жыл бұрын
Been wanting a good comparison video on these 2 bikes. Well done! I bought a brand new 2017 drz400sm in early 2018 and have been kitting it out since. I think I'm finally done now lol! I think the 400 does a great job of pretending to be a dirt bike and a road bike. Best of both worlds.
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
I agree! great for Adventure riding! - Justin
@estarszak
5 жыл бұрын
I bought a used drz400 for $2600 3 years ago and it's been awesome since. Very reliable and fun
@DonHavjuan
3 жыл бұрын
DRZ is a dirt bike. DR is an Adventure bike. The DRZ needs modification to make it less dirt. The DR needs mods to make it more dirt.
@mikaeljonsson2078
2 жыл бұрын
If you're in the market for a DR 650, don't get anything older than 1996..before then, they were just awful bikes, both on and off-road. I had a 1992 DR 650 as my first bike. Learnt to ride in sand with it, but it was just a pig of a bike, and underpowered for it's weight. Now I have a DRZ400S from 2000, which have a few mods on it. 440 big bore kit, hot cams, 3x3 mod, yoshi full system FCR 39 mm carb, ACT wide ratio gear kit and ohlins suspension in the rear. I love this bike! It's a keeper. I also have a motard kit for it, when the urge for paved twisty roads becomes too big :)
@redwine65
5 жыл бұрын
I like my DR-350
@redwine65
5 жыл бұрын
I have a 99
@andrewcannon587
4 жыл бұрын
drz400 is dual prupose, dr650 is closer to ADV
@ajaxracing
5 жыл бұрын
Well the 2018 DRZ400S in my garage says it all
@OgreMoto
5 жыл бұрын
Ajax Racing Same here! Best bike ever made!
@superwilcox9026
5 жыл бұрын
Got both. 650 for the street, 400 for the dirt.
@fauzipogee5329
5 жыл бұрын
To my fav Xr650L one for off road one motard for road/hiways both with 4.7 Gallon Clarke Tanks n fmf exhaust n jet kit..excellent
@701Ranger
5 жыл бұрын
I like these comparison vids. Keep em comin!
@ssrc30
2 жыл бұрын
I don't like rebuilding carbs but I'll take the bush pig over a EFI alternative any day just because of the simplicity of the whole thing. Only bike I've had that's easier to work on is the TW.
@94SexyStang
2 жыл бұрын
also Chip shortage right now!.....Tuner chipsets are VERY hard to come by if you need to mod EFI bikes..... major back order
@austinsuman4090
4 жыл бұрын
So was it a good decision I bought a 1999 dr 650 for $1200😅
@suzuki06g
5 жыл бұрын
The DR650 is a street bike that you can take off road. The DRZ400 is a dirt bike that you can ride on the street. FWIW, on my '03 DR650 I have lower pegs, a wider seat, GSXR muffler and a FCR carb, if Suzuki would do similar upgrades the DR650 sales would skyrocket! Or maybe come out with a twin cylinder V-Strom 450... :-)..
@steelmilkjug
4 жыл бұрын
I really see 3 types of riding. Paved roads, unpaved roads, and offroad. If you look at it like this, the DR650 is an Unpaved-Roads bike that can do pavement and offroad also.
@PseudonymAliase
5 жыл бұрын
drz400 is my dirt bike and dr650 is my street bike.
@starlord872
2 жыл бұрын
I was on the fence 2 years ago in between those 2 bikes and I picked the DRZ400sm because of its superior suspension, which on the SM is from previous generations RMZ450. Just swap the front 17 inches wheel for a 21 inches with knobbies and voila!
@GunnarSalyer
3 жыл бұрын
Ok I want a DRZ400 now. I don't think I'd get the 650, based on this vid, but the 400 seems awesome
@timsilva1944
4 жыл бұрын
Got both. Originally had a DRZ S. Revalved suspension and heavier springs. Good on dirt. Buzzy and not as stable on the highway. S motor is OK with FCR and exhaust. Sold it when I found a mint DR 650. Race Tech emulators in forks with Gold valves in shock really transforms ride off road. Again, heavier springs. S.C. seat, lowered pegs, Protaper bars etc. Built an 18" rear wheel. Can pretty much do as DRZ on dirt, but more satisfying on road. Found a lightly ridden DRZ400E for all dirt days. Lighter than the S with more power. Wish I could plate it in Ca...
@dandailey1857
3 жыл бұрын
There used to be a federal form for adding lights, horn, that California accepts. 20 years ago kind of thing though.
@kentuckyjustice1408
4 жыл бұрын
I chose the DR650. With a 30" inseam, EVERYTHING'S too tall, so I lowered it with Soupy's adjustable links and had the front and rear suspensions totally upgraded and rebuilt (also removing 3/4" from the kickstand). "My" top riding speed is around 70-75 MPH, so I could afford to go to a 14 tooth front sprocket - I had the room off the top end. I ditched the factory "Death Wings" for some Kenda K270's for adequate dirt grab, yet good road grip, added a variety of protection (skid plate, case guards, front sprocket case guard, frame guards and bark busters), lowered/added wider foot pegs, added some Steg Pegz in place of the buddy pegs, upgraded and raised the handlebars, upgraded the headlight to a halogen H-4, protected it with a grill guard and added some auxiliary lights for visibility. I don't go on "long" rides, so I kept the factory tank, but added a pair of Rotopax in case the situation arose. For comfort I added a Sargents seat and capped it off with a sheepskin (yeah, that's right). It's so comfortable, every 5 miles I have to stop, get off and let my ass laugh!🤣 I prepared it for "overnighters" with pannier racks, a rear fender rack, a tank bag and a Tusk front fender bag. A bigger tool kit was a must. Next on the agenda: carb kit, opening the air box, adding a complementing exhaust (specifics to be determined) and a steering damper. If I had it to do all over again, I'd still choose the DR650. It's been nothing less than a total blast. I ride (about) 70% off road; of that, 10-20% intermediate single trails. Nothing real tough. It's perfect for my neck of the woods.🤙
@samuelbowlin8338
4 жыл бұрын
For my 650 i installed 790 big bore bigger cam add headers bigger back sprocket man i love this bike
@kentuckyjustice1408
4 жыл бұрын
@@samuelbowlin8338 When you added the bigger rear sprocket, did you keep the 15 front? I'd also like to hear what header you used. Thanks for your post.
@samuelbowlin8338
4 жыл бұрын
@@kentuckyjustice1408 I used fmf powerbombheader.Procycle set me up .I also went to a heavier chain
@kentuckyjustice1408
4 жыл бұрын
@@samuelbowlin8338 A guy has to lay down some coin for an FMF system, front to tail. But the folks who have them rave about 'em. Hats off to you, bro. Sounds like you have a keeper.
@ericseaverns4276
5 жыл бұрын
Love both of my DR650s.
@adammanning1805
5 жыл бұрын
I bought a brand new 2001 drz in 2003. It was awesome. Loved it. Very fun on and off road. Wheelie monster. I went everywhere on one wheel. Cops didn't like it too much.
@steelmilkjug
4 жыл бұрын
LOL, yea, cops chase DRZ like dogs chase paperboys. Especially the Motards :) Cops ignore me on my DR650 like I'm riding to deliver the mail.
@eatsleepplayrepeat
2 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking of these bikes to replace my KLR. This is the perfect vid to help me decide what I like.
@hiltonmcconnell2563
4 жыл бұрын
Had the DR 650 the only thing I did not like was the small gas tank. and did not want to put a plastic one on, But I miss that bike so much thinking of getting another and going with the black IMS 4.9 liter tank. I want it for dirt roads and light trail riding, at 71 yr I like slow trail riding and the way it is set up does pretty good, will also change the tires. Went from hard packed gravel doing 80 km and hit some soft sand, the bike did ok but just ok was a little scary. So that will be 3 in the stable a Suzuki S 40 great to get the feel of the wind in your chest also fun on windy roads., Vesays X 300 with trekker side bags and top box 33 and 46 liter. great for long tours, and shopping, the DR 650 for hitting the dirt roads and light trails and day rids The versys also great on the windy roads and running through the gears.
@gregorycotter6461
5 жыл бұрын
Straight up answers you'd never get at a dealership.
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@royalbooksvietnam6671
2 жыл бұрын
I looove my DRZ400. But if I ever went for a 650, I'd pick the XR650L over the DR650.
@empireandpuzzlesaveyourmon3233
4 жыл бұрын
I commute to work almost every day on my drz 400s and go play in the desert when i can. A few months ago i did a 3 days trip from vegas to UT, camping (bushcraft style) it was fun. But loaded with gear, the bike was sometimes very unstable at highway speed, i was mostly doing 75 mph. I have a top case (harborfreight gun case) 2 saddle bags ((rigg gear adv soft bags) plus more stuff on top of them. I had no issues going off road loaded like this, only problem i encountered was when i went over brian head, elevation was super high vs my jetting for vegas.
@nelsdude
5 жыл бұрын
Just bought the 650. Low end grunt for me...tractors awesome. Suspension, pegs, bars, etc. can all be modded but modding for lower seat height is not always optimum. I'm shorter so chose the 650 vs. trying to mod the 400 so I could use more feet plant on the trail. There are youtube vids out there showing guys taking the 650 everywhere offroad...single track, climbs, etc. It's quite capable. Having a little more for the on road also makes it nice to get to where you want to go. I had a nice WR before and had to mod suspension to lower it. Have to admit I love the tractor now vs. the winding it up when you want the power. If I have my way...this 650 in the garage plus adding another dirt only bike (coming soon hopefully) is the perfect fit for me.
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
I have taken that DR650 into some gnarly places. very capable and fun, no doubt! Thanks for your thoughts. - Justin
@atypical_moto
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2019 DRZ400. I sat on the DR650 and it squatted way down like I popped it. I'm 250lbs but yeah, that was sad. I will probably re spring the DRZ400 anyways but the DR650 isn't meant for big guys. Why they put the bigger engine on a less stout chasis is beyond me.
@SailingCorina
2 жыл бұрын
The problem with the DR650 is you've got to spend $5K in upgrades to get it to the "Mighty 650" I hear stories about. I'm about to drop my first $2,500 to try to get it to actually feel somewhat like a dirtbike and capable of long adventures.
@jsf8145
Жыл бұрын
At that point, u may as well get a Ktm 690r
@elij.s.7580
4 жыл бұрын
the DR650 is lacking a bit in stock configuration but with simple modifications it becomes one hell of a machine. Mine has a Pro Taper bar, stiffer rear spring and rebound shock setting. The front forks have stiffer straight rate spring instead of progressive rate, the fork oil is a heavier weight, and it has fully adjustable cartridge emulators to control fluid flow on compression and rebound, as well as added pre load. my ground clearance is nearly 14 inches. I also installed a high compression piston, the carb is jetted and needle shimmed, and it has a slipon T-4 ProCircuit (way too loud even with a dense re-pack) The SOHC still offers 4 valves for the single cylinder, but has rocker arms so valve adjustments are a breeze. Its a great platform to start with and they've been produced from 1996 until 2019 as far as I know.
@SailingCorina
2 жыл бұрын
I'm about to put the straight 350lb fork springs and 350lb rear shock hoping to get the bike higher. I'm 6'1" 240lbs and this 650 currently feels like a small toy with power. Also lowering the pegs 2" and raising the bars 2". I'm hoping it will feel like a dirtbike after all this and not like a Harley Softtail. 😂
@RacerRed
5 жыл бұрын
I would definitely trade my SM wheels in for dual sport wheels on my DRZ400SM. I am very limited in where i can go with 17'' wheels with street tires. I would love to do some adventure rides this year and take it into the wild.
@sohailahsan7241
4 жыл бұрын
Subscribed from Pakistan ..
@tomkruze2749
Жыл бұрын
I’m a bigger guy 6’1” And 245lbs. The DR650 is perfect for me. Halls my ass anywhere I want to go. I did have the Shock rebuilt for my weight $200. money well spent. Used market the DR is about $500 less then the DRZ despite being a bigger bike. You could buy it and almost have front and back suspension tuned in for you for the difference
@AJourneyOfYourSoul
5 жыл бұрын
Great video, more dual sport vids please.
@franciscoburguete9959
4 жыл бұрын
Tengo mas de 60 años en las motos ( muchas ) siempre he tenido varias al mismo tiempo Una de ellas era la DR 650 por la que metia las manos al fuego por ella inclusive para mi era mas confiable que la bmw o HD entre otras Y que creen ? Un dia se apagó y resulta que se descompuso la bobina el estator y el CDI sin motivo aparente Increible..! A la que mas confianza tenia..! 😔😒
@jamest.5001
5 жыл бұрын
Watch the wheelies, or you may need a ....DR!
@BennyBestt
3 жыл бұрын
Riding across Australia the DR650 all day long.
@michaelhodges8312
4 жыл бұрын
I love my 2020 DRZ400s!! Perfect for me. Having a blast!
@jasonchadwick2860
5 жыл бұрын
Great review. I love my DRZ, I'd love the top end speed of the 650 but after hearing about the suspension (which I do a lot of technical trail riding) I'm glad I have the 400.
@gregorywells5942
Жыл бұрын
Love them both
@OutsiderOG
4 жыл бұрын
liquid cooled is alpha
@Crashed131963
4 жыл бұрын
Why if they do not overheat they do not overheat. Why bring a raderator , water pump and thermostat along for the ride? My 100 hp Kawasaki GPZ1100 was air cooled and never overheated even in stand still summer trafic.
@TSCtheTHC
5 жыл бұрын
400e would smoke that Cali plugged 650.
@SEP7EMBER10
5 жыл бұрын
Modified DRZ 400....all day!
@TheRyadrian
5 жыл бұрын
Modified DR650 ALL DAY!
@steelmilkjug
4 жыл бұрын
If you consider an ON-OFF road spectrum where Highway = 100%, Unpaved roads = 50% and NoTrail = 0%..... then I'd say the DRZ400 is 40%, the XR650L is a 45%, the DR650 is a 55% and and the KLR is a 60%
@556suppressor
4 жыл бұрын
Want the 650 with the Comfort Seat. And I want to ride out west.
@TURBOTHETANK23
4 жыл бұрын
Bought my very 1st drz 400 two wks ago, i am thrilled with it, got some new tires an rear lowering linkage on the way as well.
@dthemiley
5 жыл бұрын
Bought my drz400s right off the floor last February and couldn't be happier. It was a close call between the DR and the DRZ, what sold me was the weight. I commute 50 miles a day but I also ride single track and it does both well. Thanks for the great videos!
@tims728
2 жыл бұрын
Yep agree, weight for me sealed the deal, and wheel size. Gearing was solved with 15/44, end of the day its more touring than enduro.
@felipetejeda7545
Жыл бұрын
Commuting 50 miles a day on a Drz Isn’t bad round-trip, but if you want to do any kind of adventure riding long-distance riding you’re really gonna start to heat a DRC 400
@RickOAA
Жыл бұрын
Good comparison. My DR560SE cracked the cylinder head cover almost immediately after purchase and lost the top end dramatically (cam journal failure) at around 68,000 miles. I'm thinking of the four hundo as a replacement. With some simple mods the 650 made a perfect commuter. I think that the 400 is a slightly higher spec bike that should theoretically last longer with similar maintenance requirements.
@gasengineguy
5 жыл бұрын
DR all the way, I love mine, bulletproof machine
@TheRyadrian
5 жыл бұрын
When the mods are done it is a bullet!
@robertbanko2373
5 жыл бұрын
exactly
@UncleRobsGarage
5 жыл бұрын
Have a d r z 400 bought it new in 2013 needs another gear and it's terrible on the highway too lightweight.
@ibetrollintheybehatin6857
4 жыл бұрын
If Kawasaki made a KLX450 or a KLX500 I would have never bought a KTM 690 Enduro R.
@nakoawarrior3186
4 жыл бұрын
The 650 sounds far more rugged because its air cooled. The best thing that he said was that they were both carbureted. I'd prefer a Suzuki GN 400 because its air cooled and it has a kick starter and will run with a bad battery.
@phill8527
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I appreciated your strong useful information.for me No more highway long drive long trips over varied terrain then take the 650 , the DR 650 is a Tiger tank, bomb proof ..the DR650 is the newest and technologically advanced Japanese air-cooled big single, strong and easy to maintain and there are a ton of parts available in North America at very low cost.If you like to play in the dirt and fun so take the DRZ.
@socaladventuresdavidt2557
5 жыл бұрын
Or get a XR650L with adjustable suspension! With 650cc power and honda reliability!
@trentonc9141
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I've owned both (presently, I own the DRZ400s). They are both amazing machines. The reason I got rid of the DR650 was because of the weight. In single track trail, that weight makes a huge difference. The DRZ still weighs quite a bit for a trail bike but still great for trail riding. Unfortunately, I don't like it much on the highways. The DR was much better for that. Dropping a DR in the trails is a pain in the butt, DRZ is much easier to get upright. Just to let you know, I did not own them back to back. I owned a kdx220r and an EXC 450 in between so I'm going from memory. I did not replace one Suzi for another. Both machines are too close to each other for me to have done that. I do have a question for Justin though. What front tire do you use? I'm currently running Pirelli Scorpion XCMH. they are great in the dirt but wear out so fast on asphalt. I'm looking for something that doesn't slide out from me in the dirt but still has long milage. I know, I'm asking for my cake and eating it too but just wondering what your recommendation might be. Thanks
@EricBanner571
4 жыл бұрын
As a DRZ owner try to Pirelli MT21 front. It wont wash out like a D606 will and last just as long. D606 rear and MT21 front. This is the ideal dual sport combination on the DRZ.
@repetitivemotion
4 жыл бұрын
DRZ400s rider here since 2007. I haven’t modded much. Handlebar risers, hand protectors, luggage rack and rear fender eliminator. I gotta put a pipe on it and maybe 3x3 mod
@UncleWally3
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison; balanced, informative and useful. Toss in the DL650 and you’d thoroughly Suzuki the segment; the underdogs have more bark ‘n bite than the other manufacturers would have us believe.
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I wouldn't mind spending more time on the DL650, but it is designed more for street than I like. I like the dirt too much. No doubt the DL650 would be way better for the guy who rides more street and just a little on the dirt roads. - Justin
@RBAERO
4 жыл бұрын
What spring's you install on 650? And has kit to put adjusts on original suspension? And is possible install 18" wheels?
@ZSharkPH
5 жыл бұрын
The Mighty DR650 !!!
@robertbanko2373
5 жыл бұрын
best bike for me
@mikey7983
3 жыл бұрын
Is there any thing you havent changed on either bike? Why not buy a BMW or Ktm it's all there to start with
@pagobuck
4 ай бұрын
not everyone likes bmw or ktm
@jimmymcjimmyvich9052
2 жыл бұрын
Fence down at 07:33 Who let the dogs out))
@green76vett
4 жыл бұрын
2012 drz400s is awesome 50/50 bike! I was shopping these two 3 years ago and could not for the life of me make up my mind. I found this one with both sets of wheels and tires, hand guards, top storage box, various sprocket sizes, led lights, fender eliminator, fmf exhaust, airbox mod and filter and jet kit and bigger tank. I ride to work daily 25 miles. I built a woods/mx track at my house and it does it all with ease. Your videos helped me make the choice and i would make the same again. If youre on the fence and you do much off roading, take the drz. Its a street legal dirt bike that can rip the trails with the 450s.
@SawyerKnight
5 жыл бұрын
having owned a DR650, I can say with confidence that I like my KTM500 alot more...
@rmatvmc
5 жыл бұрын
That is like saying, "having owned a Chevy Cavalier, I like my Porsche a lot more..." :)
@EricBanner571
4 жыл бұрын
@weldingblaster1 I really want a KTM 690 R really bad but the more I read the forums the more I find that even late model bikes are still unreliable. My DRZ is super reliable and once you stiffen up the suspension, it handles quite well.
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