I work for a Swedish company in the US. When I went over there to HQ I was pleasantly shocked that the white collar office workers all were in a union. They didn't understand my shock. It was totally normal to them.
@Ahldor
7 ай бұрын
Yes, since alot of important stuff is being negotiated between the unions and the employer, some of it is not even backed by law (like minimum wage), people in Sweden generally have a positive attitude towards unions. Also white collar unions usually have low fees.
@frida507
7 ай бұрын
Also, it's badwill in Sweden to act like Tesla. Signing the collective bargaining agreement is something you do as larger, serious and responsible employer. (If you have your little mom and pop shop it's different). Tesla is loosing business because of this to companies like taxi-businesses as well as private consumers. It's just stupid to not respect how the local society and business environment works. The Swedish society builds on trust, cooperation and negotiation. It's a consensus culture. Sometimes it takes some time to reach an agreement but once the deal is done it's followed by all parties and there's rarely any drama. To seek conflicts is not how you become well liked and respected in this country.
@LinusBerglund
7 ай бұрын
I would say that a mom and pop shop also usually sign agreements after a certain size. The retail union has been pretty weak, and the benefits and minimum salary isn't very burdensome.
@arnodobler1096
7 ай бұрын
In Germany, works councils and trade unionists sit with him on the supervisory board and executive board. Workers' rights in the US are sad.😢
@paulheydarian1281
7 ай бұрын
No Worries. American Healthcare coverage is far worse-!!! Then there's the American Education system, which is off the charts in terms of performance. The U.S. is doing extremely well. 😅
@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt
7 ай бұрын
In Germany if you don´t have a CBA you cannot call for a strike and sympathy strikes are illegal...In Germany IG Metall has failed to get the employees to agree for a CBA and they can´t force Tesla to sign a CBA.. IG Metall has 125,000 members at VW and a place on the board and works council. VW is now closing factories in Europe and moving BEV production to China. VW to sack 125,000 people. If VW does do this VW is bankrupt and everyone gets sacked. IG Metall not happy.
@sisuguillam5109
7 ай бұрын
Mitarbeiterneteiligung, my beloved. Hallo, mein Arnoux! Hoffe Du bist sicher zuhause!
@sisuguillam5109
7 ай бұрын
If I am not mistaken the relevant german union is in contact with the swedes because Elon us pulling shit in Germany too. And that does not bode well for Musky.
@sisuguillam5109
7 ай бұрын
@@robertwoodhouse-bm7ktfor now they have. For now. And Elon? You are running through workers faster than 10 day old chili runs through your intestines. People are leaving.
@Foxor83
7 ай бұрын
Keep up the good fight. Tesla needs to adhere by the standards and norms of the Nordic labor model.
@killzzme1
7 ай бұрын
signing a collective agreement is voluntary!
@paulmidsussex3409
6 ай бұрын
@@killzzme1 Delivering Teslas mail and products is also voluntary.
@Steve_Smith_OFB
6 ай бұрын
@@paulmidsussex3409what........ No it's not.
@paulmidsussex3409
6 ай бұрын
@@Steve_Smith_OFB Yes it is. Did you not watch the video.
@Steve_Smith_OFB
6 ай бұрын
@@paulmidsussex3409 out of the 130 Tesla workers in Sweden, how many want a collective agreement?
@brentwalker8596
7 ай бұрын
Every time I hear news about Elon it just further lowers his status as anything but a megalomaniac nightmare. Wealth, power, and adoration by fans leads to a pathological psychology.
@joeavreg2254
7 ай бұрын
Oh god, read about his father. Elon was well on his way to being the freak he is now before he managed to con so many dopes into thinking he is Tony Stark when he is Justin Hammer.
@christopherx7428
7 ай бұрын
I am mostly surprised by the fact that an international company does not understand the local conditions, in this case the Nordic countries, and how the labour market works. It is not like in the US everywhere.
@arnodobler1096
6 ай бұрын
They THINK they can make their own rules - big mistake.
@veganvvarrior
7 ай бұрын
A lot of younger people in Sweden don’t know or understand the historical relevance of unions, and how much it has given workers as well as how much it gives workers on a yearly basis. They think that they can just take the average salary and then manage to negotiate a higher salary for themselves because they are more exceptional and will work harder. But from my experience it also differs a lot depending on what sector you work in. Industrial, transportation, warehouse all likely have higher union density than office workers.
@mattiasorre1718
7 ай бұрын
Yupp, they were brought up in an era when neoliberal economics had finally managed to penetrate Scandinavia and hoodwink increasing numbers of people into becoming neoliberals
@samuelrosander1048
7 ай бұрын
The history of unions and related issues need to be part of basic education so that people don't become complacent so quickly/easily...and so that their ignorance doesn't help the neoliberal movement.
@charisma-hornum-fries
7 ай бұрын
That's on their parents and schools bot teaching them the importance. It needs more attention.
@freja9398
7 ай бұрын
@@charisma-hornum-fries Schools are definitely teaching this, at least public schools. However due to neoliberalism Sweden now has a large private school sector, sadly.
@nevermore464
7 ай бұрын
If you know how Tesla treated its employees in Vegas, it wouldn't be surprising. Specifically, Elon's requests prior to large layoffs. I still can't believe people treat him like some God lol
@jrum94
7 ай бұрын
I actually meet one of the Vegas employees, they got screwed.
@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt
7 ай бұрын
Tesla employees took Tesla to court saying they had been sacked for trying to set up a UAW union in the Nevada factory. They lost the case. The records showed they had been warned several times for poor job performance. One was sacked because she failed a drugs test. The UAW needs 80% of the employees to vote for union representation, they have never been close. Despite the UAW saying they won a massive victory for car workers this year, the Tesla workers don´t want them. The only car manufacturers in the US that have a union are the big Detroit 3. Even Volvo has no union in it´s South Carolina factory, where they make the EX90.
@jrum94
7 ай бұрын
@@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt source please
@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt
7 ай бұрын
My bad it was not Nevada but Buffalo New York.
@markvanderknoop131
7 ай бұрын
@@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt That is the expected respons from American lawyers. And of I was the Tesla lawyers in the US I would have Tesla produce these kind of documents because it always works with the justice system in the US.
@Jin420
7 ай бұрын
All of tesla factory workers need union protection. 💯
@rgzhaffie
7 ай бұрын
It's an important point about the Nordic countries relying on labor management negotiations for everything, and how that drives a sense of urgency to organize all workplaces, lest a single employer starts driving down standards across the board.
@justcommenting4981
7 ай бұрын
Oh my god. The Swedish unions kick so much ass. Money is speech, but somehow not your own labor.
@charisma-hornum-fries
7 ай бұрын
The Nordic in general.
@50043211
7 ай бұрын
American employers when confronted with European Unions is always hilarious.
@noktin
7 ай бұрын
Tesla will without question lose in Sweden.
@caythorgrimson
7 ай бұрын
well it will and is spreading to the rest of scandinavia
@blackawana
7 ай бұрын
Good. ..go, Sweden.
@GoddessOfJokes
7 ай бұрын
Tack!💪🏻🇸🇪
@Asrahn
7 ай бұрын
It behooves us to remember that the Collective Bargaining Agreement is, as a manner of negotiations, the alternative form of labour relations that grew out of the struggles of our forebears. If Musk et al wants to go back to the previous period it merits consideration that workers back then frequently physically assaulted scabs as well as their bosses, and set factories on fire in protest.
@tangfors
7 ай бұрын
I think why the unions are losing members in Scandinavia (it's not really that they are losing members but mainly the younger ones don't join) is because people take things for granted and they don't know that it has meant 150 years of union struggle to get to worklife balance, decent salaries and other things. However, in Sweden last year we saw a slight rise in trade unionism, perhaps because of the Tesla conflict and because there is a little more talk about the union in the media and so on. It would be the height of irony if Musk gets more people to join the unions because of his actions.
@GoddessOfJokes
7 ай бұрын
Vikings owe their success to the kind of vessels they've built. Ships like those however would have required almost an entire viking community of workforce to construct it. Producing thousands of nails, collecting timber and make planks out of them and weaving sails took alot of work. That could be the start of having several strong labour unions in the Nordic countries. That said, all that effort to make such sophisticated ships has made the Vikings' prescence well-known along the coasts of Europe and across the Mediterranean. Sailing down the rivers Volga and Dneiper and then entering the Black Sea towards Istanbul. Traveled long and dangerous voyages across the vast ocean to Iceland, Greenland and even America.(Bite my shiny metal viking axe Cristopher Columbus!) Knowing of Elon Musk and if given that task, any sea vessals he would construct would have higher chances of springing leaks before auto-sailing off course straight to an iceberg.
@teethgrinder83
7 ай бұрын
Talking about shipbuilding we in Scotland had a huge shipbuilding industry for hundreds of years (especially so during the industrial Revolution) up until WW2 but after that we couldn't complete with the likes of Japan-who were given lots of help as a country to rebuild by the USA as I'm sure you know-and the industry pretty much collapsed. They had very power unions and gave us a strong union legacy but it was undermined so so much by Margaret Thatcher. That woman really ruined so many things in Scotland and north England in favour of centralising everything in the south of England (London especially obviously) due to her love of neoliberalism and "the markets"
@GoddessOfJokes
7 ай бұрын
@@teethgrinder83 Did that made any changes on Scotland if you don't mind me asking?
@teethgrinder83
7 ай бұрын
@@GoddessOfJokes oh I don't mind you asking at all mate. Yeah it massively impacted our economy for a good while until we started to change our economy-especially because at that point we didn't have our own parliament like we do now (which wasn't opened until 1999) so many things weren't devolved like they are now, we have more control over things nowadays (thankfully in my opinion). It left a strong legacy of Unions I believe but they were so undermined by Thatcher in the 80s sadly but we are seeing an uptick in them again. Finding oil in the late 70s helped us become more economically independent again but unfortunately much of that money went to London and still is but again due to devolution more and more control is being given back to us as time goes on. For a good while though things in the shipbuilding areas were very bad after losing them, now some parts hold nuclear subs (due to the deapth of water needed-even though most Scots would rather we didn't have nukes at all but we don't have a say on defense) and again due to oil the Area I live in has recently expanded and redone the harbour so that bigger vessels can arrive as well as attempting to attract the renewable sector and other sectors since we know oil is running out-although where I live wasn't a shipbuilding area, it was oil that grew my city. Sorry I know that's a bit of a ramble but I hope that gives you some idea of where we were and where we are at now lol feel free to ask anything else if you'd like but I can sometimes find it hard to explain things that's why I ramble on haha
@GoddessOfJokes
7 ай бұрын
It's alright.
@freja9398
7 ай бұрын
In Sweden parental leave and such is not tied to the collective agreement. Might be in Denmark but not here. Anyway, Tesla can't win this, they just need to accept that fact! Would be amazing if they leave our country!
@billybigwig1154
7 ай бұрын
Love the show. Left is best.
@F4R207
6 ай бұрын
Solidaritet, hejja Sverige!
@AndyPresto75
7 ай бұрын
There is power in a union!
@solowolf7418
7 ай бұрын
I love this. Take that Musk! You don’t own everything
@Cenyon
7 ай бұрын
Great interview! I’m very pleased to see workers stand together in this conflict.
@douglasvoigt9268
7 ай бұрын
Workers in the Nordics are strongly incentivised to join unions because unemployment insurance is operated by unions, rather than the government. This also prevents the common US/UK/ and especially German union tactic of creating insider members with good contractors and an ever larger contingent of non-unionised precarious employees who drift in and out of unemployment with business cycles -- forcing the state and other workers paying into the unemployment fund eating the costs of the employers poor sales numbers. It is called the Ghent system.
@Agarwaen
7 ай бұрын
that's not quite true. unemployment benefits in Norway is governmental. Doesn't take away from the important role unions have though, with some of those benefits only coming due to pressure from unions.
@erlinggaratun6726
7 ай бұрын
That is simply wrong. Unemployment benefits are based on your previous income and are payed out by the government, not the unions. It is during a strike that the union pays the workers, since you dont get a paycheck while striking. The ability to strike depends on the 'warchest' of said union, or if they can get money from other unions who sympathize with the strike.
@otnoirhc
7 ай бұрын
You can have unemployment insurance without being in a union by joining the A-kassa fund.
@douglasvoigt9268
7 ай бұрын
@@otnoirhc Yes, the Finnish system has been steadily undermined (as all the others).
@douglasvoigt9268
7 ай бұрын
@@erlinggaratun6726 You need to make a distinction between income protection and basic unemployment
@Odinarcade00
7 ай бұрын
Elon thinks Sweden in South Africa or America where they throw the employees under the bus 😂
@paulmidsussex3409
6 ай бұрын
Be interested to know which employee labour Unions have been recognised by the Majority Report.
@fredrik3685
7 ай бұрын
Team-work is great Union-work is Team-work
@annikamyren3026
7 ай бұрын
We like our unions in Sweden 🇸🇪
@kit2770
7 ай бұрын
I have two words for Tesla, said in the voice of Nelson Muntz from _The Simpsons:_ "Ha-haa!"
@firstandlastaliv3
7 ай бұрын
I hope the Norse people show Tesla what a good fight looks like. they are TOUGH!
@JemLeavitt
7 ай бұрын
Important.
@AmateurBMS
7 ай бұрын
Since Mr. Musk is such a fan of old practices, perhaps negotiations by combat in the octagon would be to his taste?
@Ahldor
7 ай бұрын
Mr. Musk was going to against Mark Zuckerberg but it was cancelled. He also had a quite serious back injury when he was going against a sumo wrestler...
@muhammad-bin-american
7 ай бұрын
Excellent news!
@erlinggaratun6726
7 ай бұрын
If you find his swedish accent strange it is because it is a danish one..
@paulheydarian1281
7 ай бұрын
Close Enough. Most Americans wouldn't know the difference anyway. However, does Denmark have a big Troll problem? Did you watch South Park episode about Danish Trolls? 🤔
@Indianloppan
7 ай бұрын
He dont know how its work in Sweden, more less everything is regulated by law, he dont know this i hear, parents leave by law, vecation by law, its wery less thats not by law
@henrikl4244
7 ай бұрын
Actually, no. Yes, Sweden has many laws connected to works, but it's even more that's in the union agreement. So most things about working safety, condition and working balance is in that agreement between union and companies and not by laws.
@Henrik_Holst
7 ай бұрын
That is not what he said, what he said and which _is_ correct is that all of those things are regulated by the collective agreement, that is not to say that there also exists a minimum set by the state, it just means that the unions have managed to mandate better deals than what is regulated by law in those areas.
@Indianloppan
7 ай бұрын
I have been a part of LO for 17 years, if you dont know how the working laws work, dont comment
@Henrik_Holst
7 ай бұрын
@@Indianloppan first off you replied to your own comment so it's hard to see which comment you disagree with and secondly you have as of yet to provide any form of evidence beside "I know how it works".
@75700neo
6 ай бұрын
the union can force a company to sign the collective agreement. Even if. There works force is not in the union.
@antiratrace
7 ай бұрын
So is cold weather in Chicago 😊
@tylerhackner9731
7 ай бұрын
Elon is terrible
@paulheydarian1281
7 ай бұрын
He thinks highly of himself, like a superman. 😮
@mrsansen8619
7 ай бұрын
To quote the immortal bard Pterry; "fabricati diem, pvnc". Sell your cars elsewhere, Elon.
@sisuguillam5109
7 ай бұрын
GNU, PTERRY.
@tylerhackner9731
7 ай бұрын
Left is best
@samuelrosander1048
7 ай бұрын
Union history and worker movements should be required for basic education everywhere...but it's not profitable and undermines the rhetoric/agendas of the owner class, so the only way to make that happen is the same way every other improvement happens: organized, ongoing mass demonstrations.
@666madull666
6 ай бұрын
His facts are wrong, there ARE laws that has a minimum coverage, then there is the Unions that negotiate for better terms
@henrikl4244
6 ай бұрын
No, you wrong. There is no law in Sweden that set a minimum wage. The only thing that controls minimum wages in Sweden is the union agreement.
@cuichu
7 ай бұрын
Power to them!
@PalmTheFirst
7 ай бұрын
Well that was 15 minutes of time wasted for me, I didn't learn anything about the current strikes in Sweden...
@bulletnutz6382
5 ай бұрын
”Ridning in the same elevator - it will never happen in Scandinavia” 😮 what a bunch of bull!! A No hierarcy system is the norm in Sweden, we always sit and eat together or ride the elevators together - yes you Danes might be different since you are closer to Germany and such hierarcy- orientated countrys…
@pccougar895
7 ай бұрын
Unionize or leave. Tesla should go to dictatorships if they don't want union.
@Bob-sd8ns
7 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@kit2770
7 ай бұрын
Is the title for this video a reference to the movie _Dirty Dancing?_
@dc4497
7 ай бұрын
Don't worry, BYD is coming and with much greater business and environmental ethics, right?
@Dqtube
7 ай бұрын
Are you talking about Tesla's business partner that supplies them with batteries?
@tangfors
7 ай бұрын
In fact, you probably shouldn't underestimate the panison funds, there was a feature about it today on the Swedish news and as I understand it, several of the European owners are now coming together to speak with one and the same voice about this to Tesla's board. I don't know how much they together own in Tesla, but it's at least enough that it can't just be ignored by the Tesla's board.
@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt
7 ай бұрын
Their ownership is peanuts. Daily trade on S&P for Tesla is $20bn.
@mrThoreKarlsson
7 ай бұрын
Notice .. the Unions has more money then Elon Musk has
@Karl-Benny
7 ай бұрын
Is the Government in Sweden Unionised
@henrikl4244
7 ай бұрын
Unionised or not is not exactly the right question. You don't unionize in Sweden. The country is unionized and everyone can join a union. Full-time politics don't have their own union. But they can, of course, join a union. But politicians are not allowed to interfere in the union work. A self employed artist can join a union and get benefits but when they are self employed you don't have a union agreement, but if the artist get a employed work they are covered by that companies union agreement at that work. When you have a high position in a company or in the government, you have a contract work. You get voted for some years, then if you lose the election, you lose your job. But people working for the government as employees have a union agreement, and just like everyone in Sweden, they can join the union. A union agreement is not needed for your workplace, you can always join a union.
@Henrik_Holst
7 ай бұрын
Yes they are, politicians tend to be members of either Vision or Ledarna. Heck even CEO:s over here are members of a union.
@SilverionX
7 ай бұрын
Sweden simply can't give up this fight. If we do then the EU will finally step in and regulate our markets. Either we win or it's good bye to the entire system. IF Metall has 1.3 billion dollars in strike funds, you can bet they will use every cent of it to fight this. The most likely scenario is that Tesla exits the Swedish market and arranges for another company to handle operations which does have a collective agreement. Or so they tell me.
@caythorgrimson
7 ай бұрын
mc d tried in denmark years ago and lost
@yes3443
7 ай бұрын
💯
@lewa3910
7 ай бұрын
elon needs to lose more money, influence and goodwill over his anti labour actions
@killzzme1
7 ай бұрын
🤣All in all, 14 of Tesla Sweden's 130 service technicians are on strike, i.e. 10%. signing a collective agreement is voluntary🤣
@mackan7086
7 ай бұрын
That doesn't really matter. It is Tesla as an employer that needs to have a collective agreement
@henrikl4244
7 ай бұрын
Yes, it's voluntary, but it's not easy to do business in Sweden without even talking with the union at all, like Tesla try... And if you want to keep Swedish customers, it's not good for your business to fight the union.
@freja9398
7 ай бұрын
Yep it's volontary, but that also means the company can expect conflicts with the unions. Decisions will have consequences.
@skip181sg
6 ай бұрын
@@mackan7086Why can’t they have a vote? Or fires the Union not want that?
@CyberSamuraii
7 ай бұрын
It's pronounced Ruuné
@TheHunterGracchus
7 ай бұрын
Elon Musk can be viewed as Charles Koch with a futuristic veneer.
@fdelaneau
7 ай бұрын
Just to put some perspective to this. From what I could gather: Out of the 150 employees only 8 are striking. There are bigger employers that don’t have an agreement and nobody there is striking to force them to sign. Some non union employees have reported pressure from the union. Note that I’m not saying that Tesla position is right, but this would not have taken such proportions or even started if it were any other company.
@henrikl4244
7 ай бұрын
Don't know where you get your numbers, but the union has not said how many that strike. And yes, the union have talked and try to get union members that's not strike to understand why and also put some pressure on them. If you are a union member, you are expected to strike if the union demands it. It's part of the union membership. Otherwise, you will be expelled Then there are some part I don't get... There are no union members at Tesla with a agreement. Union don't sign union agreement with workers or for specific workers. The union wants to have an agreement with Tesla. Just like they have with all other car manufacturers with employees in Sweden.
@freja9398
7 ай бұрын
@@henrikl4244 The union members that did not went on strike has already been expelled from IF Metall. However I have a hard time believing just 8 people went on strike, that's bullshit. Some definitely didn't go on strike cause they were afraid of their career and I can't blame them, the labour market is more and more focused on loylty and building your own "brand", which I think is sad. But regardless of how many workers that strike, IF Metall can and will continue this conflict until Tesla signs. It doesn't really matter how many workers specifically at Tesla that choose to strike, since sympathy strikes will have a larger impact on Tesla anyway. It's a matter of principle and IF Metall and the rest of the Swedish unions will not concede.
@ryvyr
7 ай бұрын
Indeed the nuance is critical, Tesla compensates better than most, especially compared to legacy auto who *arguably need* unions, yet Sweden's labour is steeped in unions whilst having no minimum wage. Thus the unforced dilemma but for mutual resilience to each their way.
@grymkaft
7 ай бұрын
If they compensate better than most, an agreement should be no problem.
@ryvyr
7 ай бұрын
@@grymkaft It appears a clash of wills, separately achieving better results for labour compared to non-unions in general, neither wanting to let precident set - not to be envied, this dilemma.
@Henrik_Holst
7 ай бұрын
@@ryvyr a collective agreement does not change that, it only stipulated the minimum so Tesla would be perfectly fine to add benefits and salary on top of it on an individual basis if they liked to.
@ryvyr
7 ай бұрын
@@Henrik_Holst So perhaps I am confused(?), inosfar understood Tesla wants minimum impedence with ability to execute whereas Sweeden's culture is accustomed to organized labour imposing more than minimum, yet lacks a minimum wagw due to strong unions?
@Henrik_Holst
7 ай бұрын
@@ryvyr What Tesla wants is something only they know about, however from what we can gather they simply don't want unions for political reasons (and that being that Musk is anti-union). The reason why we don't technically have a minimum wage (practically we have since setting a minimum wage is done in the collective agreement) are historical and would require lots of text to describe but basically long long ago Sweden was at the brink of civil war over labor disputes so the Government simply told both sides (aka the employers and the newly formed unions) that if they don't start to cooperate then the state will make up labor laws in a way that neither side will be happy. So there become an agreement between employers and unions that they should negotiate collective agreements instead of having the state dictate the terms and thus we ended up with the model that we have today where the state haven't defined a minimum wage because it never had to. As stated the real answer is much longer, but this is the short version.
7 ай бұрын
Tesla knows nearly nothing about how operating a business works in Sweden. Quite shocking. Tesla has shown some surprise that worker unions can initiate sympathy actions. Are they victims of homeschooling? Frankly, the whole conflict is based on stupidity. Moreover, this is not related to Tesla only. The company challenges the model we have in Sweden for a century. And the company seems not to understand that either. Definitely homeschooled.
@Ahldor
7 ай бұрын
Är det inte konstigt att man blint förväntas anamma och acceptera utländska kulturer i Sverige men så fort det kommer in en organisation med en utländsk företagskultur så är det facklor och hö-gafflar som gäller? Det är lite som Fredrik Lindström säger, svenskarna är vårldens sämsta folk men bor i världens bästa land.
@thehoogard
7 ай бұрын
It would take you 30 seconds to enter into google how to pronounces Rune. Gives a poor look when you're not even trying.
@mokojumbeefusion3883
7 ай бұрын
Yeah Fist NOT first😅😅😅 0:27
@JM-xt3kk
7 ай бұрын
Wtf ? Americans need education hou EU union work or wat ?.. Tesla in Sweden is just acept union demant or der gona work on half way is simple ...dis work on Volvo compani end on end on...same story ...so not wory for Elon end hy Tesla in Sweden.
@lmao4982
7 ай бұрын
... Unions across the can work very differently yes, and I wouldn't expect anyone to know the labor law details of random small countries.
@NDGCrazyOne
7 ай бұрын
only 10% of tesla workers in sweden are striking.
@henrikl4244
7 ай бұрын
Not confirmed number but anyway so what? Even if 5% want that their union they are members in should represent them they are alowed to try to talk with Tesla. Tesla have refused to even talk with the union for over 5 years.
@1943vermork
7 ай бұрын
Tesla doesn’t want to add more complexity to an already complex labor market. Union just add a layer of complexity and latency
@henrikl4244
7 ай бұрын
Tesla has a 40-70 pages contract with their workers in Sweden, thats written by lawyers. In Sweden 1 page, ONE PAGE is normal. What is complexity for workers to follow? The union agreement is written and explained in a document you can understand. And it follow the Swedish law's, something the Tesla working contract don't, it even break the Swedish free speech law's.
@1943vermork
7 ай бұрын
@@henrikl4244 why would you lie like that?
@thehoogard
7 ай бұрын
you're not adding any complexity by following standard practice. Collective agreemnets IS STANDARD, in nordic countries. Tesla can adapt or see another car company take their market share instead.
@1943vermork
7 ай бұрын
@@thehoogard So the standard in Sweden is adding complexity by forcing union “agreements”. Got it.
@thehoogard
7 ай бұрын
@@1943vermorkNo, you clearly don't get it.
@bencze465
7 ай бұрын
It is weird that trolls can destroy a successful company just like that and it's legal. If it's bad you can go and work elsewhere isn't it? This is basically coercion. It's weird.
@henrikl4244
7 ай бұрын
Not if you sign the tesla agreement, you are not allowed to work with your professional for 6 months. In Sweden, we have something we call solidarity.. If my employer treats me badly, I don't directly leave, I will try to change it instead. In support to my working colleagues and next workers. Maybe it's my relative, that's the next workers If Tesla don't need to follow the Swedish working rules, why should other, then in the end, more companies in Sweden would treat their workers by US standard, compared to Swedish that's equal to slaves... And not every area's it's easy to find new work. Many areas has high unemployment. And the guest workers at the teslas site in Sweden could be forced to leave Sweden, their work permit could be connected with their Tesla employment.
@robinviden9148
7 ай бұрын
To me it’s weird that a company thinks it can establish itself in a market without having to conform to the regulations and culture of that market. The trolls in this case are Musk and Tesla. If they don’t want to have the Nordic (or the European) market, they can go elsewhere. I’m in Norway, which has been an important market for Tesla for years now, and many Norwegians are following the case in Sweden and are utterly unimpressed with Tesla right now. Tesla’s actions are seen as disrespectful and showing little interest of integrating in our society. The entire labour system in the Nordic countries is based around collective agreements between employers and unions, and we value that system. We don’t want our governments too much involved other than putting in the framework that supports that system. Tesla, like many US companies, would like not to be bothered by neither government regulations nor negotiations with employees. That won’t fly over here. If they want our money, they need to adhere to our conditions.
@arnodobler1096
6 ай бұрын
US are the weirdos
@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt
7 ай бұрын
There are only 130 mechanics at Tesla Sweden, only 13 went on strike, the service centers are still fully operational. The mechanics don´t want a CBA, they are happy with their current package which is better than the union contract. The union is now telling the working mechanics that they will be expelled from the union if they don´t strike. They have ignored the union. Tesla has been operating for the last 10 years in Sweden. Germany also uses the CBA way of business and IG Metall does not have a CBA with Tesla at their Berlin plant. The employees there have not voted for IG Metall to represent them. It seems in Sweden you don´t need the permission of employees. The Garbage collectors have backed off from not collecting Tesla garbage. Tesla has found a work around for the Registration plates and the two legal cases for this have not been decided. Tesla mainly ships cars to sweden by special car trains or on car transporters by road. They don´t use the ports anymore and if they use German transport people they can´t do a sympathy strike as Tesla is not their employer. The 20 employees who went on sympathy strike at Hydro have been advised that Tesla has switched the business to another supplier outside of Europe so it is likely that Hydro will have to let them go. IF Metall cannot go to court to force Tesla to sign a CBA as there is no law saying that a CBA is required. The Tesla mechanics get better pay, good medical cover for all employees including their partner and children, a good pension scheme and stock options. Everyone in the Nordic refgions say that the mechanics have been on strike since October. Not true the union called for a strike and 90% refused to join the strike. The biggest selling car in Sweden in 2023 was the Tesla model Y. Most of IFmetall members work at Volvo, a direct competitor to Tesla. It is likely that Volvo will move all their car production out of Sweden as is VW moving out of Europe. If Swedes don´t want to buy a Tesla they can pay a lot more money for a not as good electric Volvo, which isn´t made in Sweden. The EX30 is made in China and the EX90 is made in the US and UAW has failed to get employees to vote for them.
@demoninveins
7 ай бұрын
Where is your source on them not wanting the strike?
@sisuguillam5109
7 ай бұрын
No, Elon.
@Asrahn
7 ай бұрын
Nonsense. There are no independently confirmed numbers for how many have gone on strike. IF Metall has noted that while they have some strikebreakers, they are relatively few, and that not all of these employees that are mentioned are encompassed by the IF Metall union agreement area. The reasons for the reluctance of joining the strike are workers who are in precarious positions such as working a probationary period, migrant workers from the third world afraid of being deported if let go, and EU migrants who are afraid they'll be let go and therefore get kicked out of the country as well - all issues stemming from Tesla's reputation as union busting scum, and the business sector and its callous disregard of workers and their lives. A few younger people who have no idea about the consequences of trying to "negotiate their own pay" separate from the union have, as per contract, also been expelled from the union in question. Transport is also maintaining their blockade, so I have no idea what you're on about when it comes to garbage collection somehow having resumed. Hydro never stated that the 20 employees of theirs (whose salaries were being paid by the unions while they were sympathy striking, as is the norm) had to be let go owing to Tesla having shifted supplier, rather citing that they feared that they "might", and only as a seondary reason for letting them go after the fact - the first reason being that, after they refused to receive the aforementioned money the unions provided for salaries during the strike, cited "costs". Of course, the actual reason they let them go is entirely in a bid to cynically drive a political agenda of making sympathy strikes illegal in Sweden by law, where they are now marching at the forefront of multiple lobbying groups that are pressuring the government to relent on the matter while using Hydro as an example of "innocent bystanders" being hurt by the evil, horrid unions. The outlawing of sympathy strikes is something the ghouls in the business sector have been salivating over for decades, hoping to break a model that has, on the whole, worked out extremely favourably for them, but they want, as always, ever more. See for instance work days lost to striking action by country, on average, over the last 10 years: Finland: 122,300 Denmark: 110,300 Sweden: 8,100 or to compare France and Sweden in terms of amount of days on strike, per 1000 employees, per year, during the period 2005-2015: France: 132 days Sweden: 5 days We have an extremely "peaceful" job market owing to companies generally playing by the rules, and on the contrary: Tesla mechanics get comparatively worse pay and benefits to their contemporaries, and medical coverage is explicitly universal in Sweden, even if the neolibs are making sure it's slowly dying so they can crowbar in a full privatization of it. Regardless, if the collective bargaining agreement demands less than what Tesla is already giving their employees, Tesla has no reason to refuse to sign it. The mechanics have been on strike since October. This is simply a fact that no amount of muddling of statistics will change. But plutocrats like Musk fully understand their class position and the reason they're pushing to destroy the Swedish model is because they see the remnants of what built our country in it. They want to tear it all down and subject us to the same brutality as america's "working poor", pillaging the nation entirely and leaving it to rot and the people to suffer. I don't expect much from bootlickers, but Tesla fanboys are genuinely among the worst people on the Internet.
@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt
7 ай бұрын
If there are no independantly confirmed numbers for how many have gone on strike how can you say nonsense. Then you say some of the mechanics are not union members, some of the mechanics are working in a probationary period, some of the mechanics are migrant workers from third party countries afraid to be kicked out, some of the mechanics are EU migrants workers who are also afraid to be kicked out, ignoring that the EU has freedom of movement and some are strike breakers who have been now expelled from the union for refusing to strike and black listed from working in any other union business. That is a lot of "some ofs" IF Metall has been very quiet on how many are on strike. I did a google search and found a site where Union members ans strikers were messaging while picketing a Tesla service center, a taxi turned up and 3 people in Tesla uniforms walked into the service center. The strikers said they are not from here but another service center. The main service center was open for business and mechanics working weekends to keep the customers happy. Basically very few mechanics are on strike and the cars are being serviced. Tesla has been operating in Sweden for the past 10 years without a CBA and the employees are happy. Mechanics are afraid of the union so don´t want to talk to the reporters but if they do they say their pay package overall is the best they have had in Sweden. IF Metall members don´t get any stock options in the companies they work for. It´s not a Swedish concept. IG Metall is desperate to get a CBA in the Berlin factory but in Germany the employees have to vote for it and they don´t. They have a job at a company that has a future. The IG Metall members at VW are very concerned they don´t have a future. VW is closing down factories and moving jobs to China. Despite Germany having a CBA environment VW is laying off 125,000 workers. IG Metall complains that VW can´t compete with Tesla. Tesla uses more automation and needs less employees. They also said that union members get more money but actually Tesla employees overall get a much better pay package. which is why they won´t vote to have the union represent them. The garbage strike was supposed to start on December 24, the employees said the instructions they received were vague so they ignored them. The Norwegian dock strikers admitted no Swedish tesla cars have arrived in the docks but they have seen some coming on the ferries instead. Tesla mainly loads cars onto car trains in Germany and they get shipped to Denmark and Sweden or they go on Car transporters from Belgium docks to Sweden by road. Tesla does not use Swedish, Norwegian, Finish or Danish union members to transport their cars to Sweden. New Tesla cars are being registered in Sweden and Registration plates are being delivered to the new owners. Hydro said they found alternative work for some of the sympathy workers but the 20 sitting at home will most probably have to be laid off as that contract won´t be coming back. The cleaners will be replaced by a small mum and pop firm that doesn´t have a union to clean the few offices they have. IF Metall can huff and puff as much as they want, Tesla will not be signing a CBA. If the Swedes don´t want to buy Tesla cars they can sell them elsewhere in Europe.
@Asrahn
7 ай бұрын
@@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt None of what I've said contradicts the fact that "relatively few", as stated by IF Metall, are strike breakers among those workers that are encompassed by the union agreement area. Swedish unions are separated by profession structures, so IF Metall (which is an industrial union) does not for instance represent the office workers at Tesla, who would fall under the category of Unionen or similar, more office-oriented unions. EU has freedom of movement but people don't want their entire lives uprooted and be forced to move since to be allowed to stay in countries you need to be able to provide for yourself. Why do you insist on talking about things you clearly have no understanding of - what are you, American? The fact that Tesla are forced to ship around strikebreakers or other employees in a bid to make things function and force them to work overtime on weekends simply says that the strike is efficient. Tesla has been operating in Sweden for the past 10 years, all of which they have been under pressure to sign CBA owing to the way things actually work here in Sweden, never mind worries about the precarious nature of their factories which have shown, again and again, in other nations to be more hazardous to workers than at other manufacturers, their insistence on separate benefit structures that can be withdrawn more easily than salary gains (such as stock options) in the event of labour disagreements or economic low turns, and their general union busting activities. No, it is not the best pay package in Sweden, not by far, and it's certainly true that we don't get stock options in general because we actually get pay raises instead of some cynical bid to make us feel like we have stakes in a company - one valued at tech company rather than car company levels on the stock market on that. A singular mechanic has come out in a newspaper to voice his complete lack of understanding for how the Swedish model works, saying he's "scared" of IF Metall after they expelled him for breaking his contract with them, suffice to say when you sign up with unions you also agree to the directives in question. Since you're clearly unfamiliar with the way things work here, let me spell it out for you: Sweden does not have a minimum wage mandated by law, and relies on a wide network of CBA aligned companies and unions to negotiate pay where the state stays out of negotiations owing to the unique historical conditions this entire system grew out of - something which culminated in workers being killed by companies that called upon the military to fight striking workers. This is a consent system based around the willingness of companies that operate in the country to sign up to the same system that the workers sign up to through union membership - which remains some of the highest in the world - and if this was to collapse it would lead to insane amounts of misery. This is a misery you are championing, whether intentionally or not, since you seem so utterly focused on Tesla's greatness in comparison to other companies that you seem unable to take in the larger picture at play, which is significantly more important than the singular strike at Tesla. They can struggle and try to get around all of this, as they are. We'll get the CBA, or we will throw Tesla out of this country.
@Karl-Benny
7 ай бұрын
Maybe the Nordic countries want to go back to driving Diesel cars because without Elon that is what they would be doing right now
@henrikl4244
7 ай бұрын
You know that it's not Tesla that invented elect cars.. And they are not the only car manufacturers with EV. But if even Tesla has workers in a country they need to adapt to that country. Just like American expect Chinese companies should do when they open a site in US.
@2605155
7 ай бұрын
"Give us more money or we'll strike!" "Give us more money or we'll strike!" "Give us more money or we'll strike!" "Give us more money or we'll strike!" "Hey, why is the company going out of business?"
@arnodobler1096
6 ай бұрын
Many, many companies in Europe have existed for hundreds of years!!!🤔🤷♂️
@henrikl4244
6 ай бұрын
Sweden has less strike then many other countries. Strike is absolutely not common in Sweden at all. The union strikes to get Tesla to sign a agreement that includes hard strike rules so its almost impossible to strike after it's signad. They don't strike for more money. They strike for better working conditions and safety, they strike for a agreement...
@SunRaIV
7 ай бұрын
Those unions have no democratic legit. Who voted for their leaderes ?
@arnodobler1096
7 ай бұрын
Union members!🤔🤷♂️
@Nsuage
7 ай бұрын
It's more democratic than the US government
@roowasse8727
7 ай бұрын
Seriously, SunRa? The union members vote. This just shows how you have no real understanding of unions. I guess Fox News didn't cover that stuff...
@DanJuega
7 ай бұрын
You should educate yourself on unions so you don’t embarrass yourself
@somthingbrutal
7 ай бұрын
on he who draws the sword from the stone is worthy ;)
@freddymngadi6135
7 ай бұрын
Oh wow, news worth hearing for a change and something to learn!👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿🤎🤎🤎🤎🤎 Other than all the nonsensical shenanigans of one Orange Jesus who sucks up the media oxygen for himself...🤣🤣😂😂😂
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