If you've ever wondered what "well, actually" guys are doing when they're not online being assholes, we now know they're refereeing swim meets.
@rooknado
6 ай бұрын
This comment is PERFECT! Made me laugh despite the topic being so close to home. Owen was devastated but he’s doing better now, it’s still his personal record and that’s what he’s focused on.
@kgrkid
6 ай бұрын
You know it’s a bad call when even the person that benefited from the call disagrees with the call itself.
@holmj12
6 ай бұрын
It is his teammate so there is a huge bias. But if it was me from another school, I would feel weird taking first place.
@WowOafus
6 ай бұрын
@@holmj12 the second place person stood on the third place spot in the photo and the two shook hands across the empty first place spot
@rayray4192
6 ай бұрын
Exactly what I thought when the bullshit Federation baseball obstruction rule called by Mr partner reluctantly resulted in the offensive coach asking me to reverse my partner‘s call and place his runner who scored back on third base.
@RoadTripTravel
6 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@djshepherd915
6 ай бұрын
Here’s the thing though. Look at the video at 3:07. The second place racer appears to be pointing out to the officials that he crossed lanes. I saw that then I heard the interview and it almost seems to me to be a Jekyll and Hyde situation where he says one thing for show, but does something different.
@D__Lee
6 ай бұрын
I guess the NO HARM, NO FOUL rule doesn't apply in the ACC.
@DJTexan
6 ай бұрын
This is a travesty. The rule is for an active swimmer going into another active swimmers lane. Even a dumb person can understand what the rule meant. The official that made that decision needs to be fired and banned from the NCAA. Hopefully this can be reversed.
@tw1nn319
6 ай бұрын
DJ, it's been a long time friend. Although we absolutely agree this is a travesty and should be reversed, your hatred towards officials is deeply, deeply concerning... like I seriously believe you need help. The official is a person just doing their job. That job being interpreting the rulebook, which the official did properly. There needs to be a rule change, not a call for the officials head. Sure, a no call would've been the best case, but you certainly can't blame them for making the call they are supposed to make.
@DJTexan
6 ай бұрын
@@tw1nn319 My only hatred is towards officials that don’t understand how and when to implement rules.
@tw1nn319
6 ай бұрын
@@DJTexan there is no understanding how and when. How is how the rulebook says. When is when the rulebook says. Your own judgment is clouded by your hatred, its insane, you're insane
@DJTexan
6 ай бұрын
@@tw1nn319 Don’t cry. There are many other bad officials like you that you can be friends with. Good officials know when rules should be applied and ignored.
@TheTapeandscissors
6 ай бұрын
@@tw1nn319Brother, getting fired doesn't require deep hate from your boss. Grow up. This is hilariously over the line and not even a real job. -someone who has been fired
@mrhighside
6 ай бұрын
Hot garbage call. An absolute travesty. Judge/umpire guy needs to get booted.
@benhecht5504
6 ай бұрын
This is absolutely brutal. The winner's actions had absolutely nothing to do with the result of the race or any of the other swimmers who had yet to complete the contest. These officials should be ashamed in themselves. And kudos to the guy who took the interview and said he would not stand on the podium.
@FUGP72
6 ай бұрын
This is the kind of call that generally is NEEDED for rules to be changed. IT is just like all those websites you see with "Weird laws you didn't know existed" like "You can't have a frog on your lap while riding in a carriage on Sundays in Alabama." Those laws are still on the book because no cop or court is dumb enough to enforce them. Once someone did, that law would quickly be taken off the books and people would be free to put frogs on their laps again, no matter what day of the week it is. The fact that some officials were dumb enough to (mis)interpret the rule that badly here will likely be the catalyst in changing the wording of the rule to make sure it doesn't happen again.
@Utrilus
6 ай бұрын
In article 1a it mentions that it is up to the judge's discretion. So it seems to me more that this is the case of an incompetent judge. Unless section 1b overwrites what's written in article 1a.
@mulgrum
6 ай бұрын
Was there no one in the room to say, “look, I get it, it’s a rule, but we are going to look like complete tools if we do this?”
@jessthemess1018
6 ай бұрын
Yes, his team mate 100% had his back!!
@n9nesideify
6 ай бұрын
What a messed up world.. no common sense
@BrettShadow
6 ай бұрын
What a FANTASTIC teammate! Horrible situation but way to stand up for your team!
@MomIrregardless
2 ай бұрын
sorry, not sorry! there was NO interference! it just didnt happen! and by disqualifying him, they apparently removed many other already received awards, and prevented him from competing for many more. ABSOLUTELY INHUMAN AND DISGUSTING
@williamnowacki
6 ай бұрын
I honestly hope the swim team files a lawsuit. I don’t understand what happened. I didn’t see anything wrong when the swimmer won his race.
@etheldingleberry8075
5 ай бұрын
A lawsuit? You’re kidding, right?
@williamnowacki
4 ай бұрын
@@etheldingleberry8075 dq for celebrating? That was low by the NCAA. The swim team should file a report
@etheldingleberry8075
4 ай бұрын
@@williamnowackihe wasn’t DQed for celebrating. He could’ve celebrated all he wanted in his own lane. He was DQed for crossing into another swimmer’s lane during a race. Rule 2, Section 5 of the NCAA rulebook clearly states that “a swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.” It’s such a clear rule that the judges don’t even have the discretion to not enforce it.
@williamnowacki
4 ай бұрын
@@etheldingleberry8075 his teammate finished. That’s the most ridiculous rule ever.
@etheldingleberry8075
4 ай бұрын
@@williamnowackithe rule does not carve out any exceptions for any particular circumstances. I’m not saying the rule isn’t stupid, only that it was in effect at the time of the heat and therefore should have been observed. The time to challenge a rule in an athletic contest is before it’s been violated, not after.
@agalant13
6 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you. It is a bad call. It wasn't like his falling into the other lane prohibited another swimmer from completing the race. He teammate was also done. Archaic rule. Full disqualification? Other sports have warnings or penalties... but a full disqualifications of that amazing race?! That's unfair. I've noticed that the NCAA has yet to make any comment. They know it was a bad call but won't admit it.
@MomIrregardless
2 ай бұрын
was this ever corrected? it is so wrong......should absolutely be reinstated!
@Tker1970
6 ай бұрын
Last summer I was at my grandsons outdoor swim meet. He was 8-and the skill level varies widely. I was near the end of his lane cheering when he finished. I told him to hop out-from his lane-not crossing. The coach came over and told him he needed to stay in the water until everyone was done because it could interfere with other swimmers. Then I saw this.
@KeivinaJ
Ай бұрын
@Tker1970 This is a prime example of the rule. He didn't let the other swimmers finish the race before he started celebrating. Those swimmers are living and finishing their olympic dream in that event. I understand that he won the gold, but he didn't have the respect to let his competitors finish. That is where he made the mistake
@markthompson2874
6 ай бұрын
Make sure to rewatch the blue screen of death at 0:37. Lindsay is being funny!
@titaflor8167
Ай бұрын
His action was a sudden show of joy and emotion! This is not interference on any one in the race. He deserves this victory, let him get his gold medal 🎉❤🎉! He deserves this!
@holmj12
6 ай бұрын
Loved the edits in the "blue screen of death"
@WowOafus
6 ай бұрын
I’m a hockey referee and if I called everything to the law of the rule book, games would never end, and they would never be fun. There has to be some give with how tight events are called. When I played hockey as a kid, we cheered when the game ended, and the other team wanted us disqualified because one of their players fell and got hurt after running into one of our players right before the horn. Under the definition of unsportsmanlike conduct, that could be called taunting, but calling that would ruin the intent of the rule. We weren’t cheering about the player being hurt, we were excited we won. If youth refs can see the difference, the NCAA should too. I don’t like conspiracies, but this seems very fishy.
@anthonyd5563
6 ай бұрын
If there is any way for him to appeal that to a higher board, he should. This is atrocious!
@broluv124
6 ай бұрын
Wow what a load of crap that was. Those judges should be dealt with and I hope the school files whatever grievances they can with the NCAA, allowed or not. Travesty.
@tw1nn319
6 ай бұрын
dealt with???
@broluv124
6 ай бұрын
@@tw1nn319 yes, there should be a penalty for applying that rule in that situation, since it was quite obvious that there was zero interference with any other swimmers.
@tw1nn319
6 ай бұрын
@@broluv124 no, there shouldnt be a penalty for applying a rule when it was meant to be applied per the rulebook. change the rule, give the kid his 1st, do nothing about the official just doing their job
@broluv124
6 ай бұрын
@@tw1nn319I feel like since that rule falls under the Interference section and there was no interference, that this should have been overlooked. Bad application of the rule IMO.
@charlessmith263
Ай бұрын
"Lloyd Owen is about to go to the podium for the interview after his - if this happened in Europe - the 1500 meters - but this is the 1650-yard swim meet victory! He is now top-dog in long distance ACC Swimming --- what?.....HE IS NOT! I just heard from the PA announcer that, per the FINA judges, Owen has been disqualified for interference! But did he get disqualified for possibly excessively celebrating after his victory? But--whatever caused him to be kicked out, this is a devastating turn for Owen - from what would be the 1650-yard swim champion to being out of the race. A DQ is not funny - it can be so heartbreaking for a swim racer!" That is what I would say if I were a swimming play-by-play announcer.
@hordboy
6 ай бұрын
I’m a stickler for rules but… c’mon. Total BS on that DQ.
@patrickjones7490
6 ай бұрын
damn even the former hall monitor disagrees with it!
@brend2718
6 ай бұрын
Great job at finding a way to incorporate baseball into this.
@jrc480
6 ай бұрын
It's up there with patting a runner on their back as they round 3rd on a home run.
@markthompson2874
6 ай бұрын
But that's helping a runner by giving them just a bit more energy going forward. You have to call him out for that!!!
@73odus
3 ай бұрын
Ross should've accepted the gold medal at the podium, then jumped down, walked over and put it around Owen's neck!
@donaldthomas7070
6 ай бұрын
If the officials had not enforced the rule as it was written, they could have gotten into a lot of trouble themselves. As it is, the rule is very simple & easy to understand: Stay in your lane until the race is over. If the officials want language to allow swimners to cross into an adjacent lane provided any swimmer there has already finished, then expect the rulebook to get a little bigger-& expect there to be more controversies when someone tries to take advantage of a loophole or obscure interpretation that the rules committee didn't anticipate.
@sethheasley9538
6 ай бұрын
Getting on the lane lines is just the thing swimmers do when they win. Sure, if he straddled the lane line for someone still swimming, that could be a problem, but jeez this is a bad look. Good on Dant for speaking up.
@helviojr
6 ай бұрын
But the sports etiquette says, out of respect, you must wait everyone finish. It is a well known rule. Olympic teams have been disqualified for not waiting the last competitor arrive. It is just rude in swimming. Much more rude that flipping a stick or making a risk on the dirt, for who don't know baseball that much. Rule is rule, this one is there fir tradition and RESPECT.
@linuxramblingproductions8554
6 ай бұрын
@@helviojrthat rule is stupid and shouldn’t apply in this instance plus its not analogous since the other swimmers wouldn’t even know he did that until after the race so it couldn’t distract them
@lastdance2099
6 ай бұрын
I don't know if this kind of thing is rare or not in swimming celebrations but there was clearly no harm, so *at worst* the referee should have warned Lloyd that future celebrations that cross lanes will result in disqualification.
@helviojr
6 ай бұрын
Every swimmer must wait the last competitor in their lanes. Is well known rule, to impose respect to the loosers.
@CraigQuebec
6 ай бұрын
Face it! The referee who made this call was a ‘hall monitor’ when going through school. It is bogus and swimming governing body needs to overturn the decision. Otherwise, they are a laughing stock of sports!
@etheldingleberry8075
5 ай бұрын
Whoever has a problem with the winner’s disqualification should take it up with whoever wrote the rules, not with the judges who interpreted the rules correctly.
@areguapiri
3 ай бұрын
In the moment, there are many times where we must learn to use our basic human common sense. 2020 should have taught you that.
@etheldingleberry8075
3 ай бұрын
@@areguapiriI agree. It’s basic human common sense for a senior NCAA athlete to know the rules and follow them.
@MarkVirgulto
6 ай бұрын
This guy gives the best educational insight from a rulebook standpoint. Whenever I'm questioning the rules, this is the first channel I come to. I think we went to HS together.
@Blt-rr2lm
6 ай бұрын
Look at his face. He knows he made a mistake, but are you kidding me? This should be overturned. I would LOVE to hear the rationale for this nonsense. I wonder if there was someone who immediately complained to the judges.
@hammerhiem75
6 ай бұрын
well I mean the guy in the lane starts looking around and pointing at him, so probably him.
@T-DubGames
6 ай бұрын
@@hammerhiem75I thought he was pointing out the violation at first, too, but given that they’re teammates and the guy blasted the decision as he was interviewed, you can tell instead that he’s more just pointing at him in a “look at this guy he did awesome.”
@markthompson2874
6 ай бұрын
@@T-DubGames Or he didn't think about who it was when he was ratting on him and then once he realized it was his teammate it was more like he had to stand up for him. My question is how strictly is this rule interpreted normally. And then even after seeing it being interpreted at its most extreme, do the powers that be in swimming have a problem with this result or do they think the swimmer should have been more disciplined?
@markthompson2874
6 ай бұрын
@@raymond19001 That makes sense. I wonder if you'll end up with a situation where the judge correctly interpreted the rule as written but ends up being overruled because higherups feel that the rule doesn't make sense in that situation. That said, although winning the championship is a big deal, this is actually a better story to tell.
@echidnaralsei1473
2 ай бұрын
as a former competitive, idk i wouldnt want to ride the lanes in the first place. especially while the heat is ongoing. they serve a purpose in the pool, and that aint meant to be my plaything. if nothing else its respecting the event organizers and the people who provide the facilities/equipments.
@LarrySkylines
6 ай бұрын
Dumbest call ever. They were reading the rule as is literally written in the subsection, not in the context of the "Interference" section it was written under. Even Angel Hernandez wouldn't have called that
@bevconklin5172
6 ай бұрын
I’m sad for him, but with water; there’s a current…..energy. Odd movement causes interference-Energetically through current, by doing what he did. Physics.
@migueltani3549
4 ай бұрын
Such a petty reason.
@nathanrohde3440
6 ай бұрын
Stop calling them referees it makes them sound like they have an actual skill. Process monkies engaged in procedural masturbation, and their actions will be defended by process monkies higher up the chain, and even a few process monkies in the comments. Teammate finished the race and it didn't impact anyone competing. A compulsion to follow words written in a document without discretion in a role that requires discretion is a systemic failing, not a virtue.
@hdelano11
6 ай бұрын
I just don't understand how hes interfering with anyone? Its his teammate who is finished also. Hes not splashing around acting like a idiot either. I would not want to be those refs today lol
@UnicornOfDepression
6 ай бұрын
*The race was already over.* He did not interfer with any competitors. One cannot celebrate a win, but a man can swim, compete, and win against women with no limitations, including allowing a man to use the women's locker room.
@TroyVan6654
6 ай бұрын
This video pointed out the letter of the rules vs spirit of the rules disconnect but didn't really expand on it. By the letter of the rules, the swimmer shall be disqualified. By the spirit of the rules, the swimmer ought not to be disqualified. Then, as a normative matter, what call should be made, and why?
@FUGP72
6 ай бұрын
Honestly, even by the letter of the rules, he shouldn't have been DQ'ed. It was an overly broad interpretation of rules that specifically talking about interfering with another swimmer, which he did not do.
@JPINFV
6 ай бұрын
@@FUGP72 Where, in the rule, was the term "interference" used. It's in the section title, but not the rule itself.
@TroyVan6654
6 ай бұрын
@@FUGP72 "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." No mention of "interfering with another swimmer", just changing lanes.
@likecnsnnts
6 ай бұрын
@@JPINFV Your argument is analogous to a list titled "Pies: 1. Chocolate 2. Key Lime 3. Sweet Cream" and then you questioning where does it say that any of the listed items are pies.
@linuxramblingproductions8554
6 ай бұрын
@@TroyVan6654incorrect
@fifiwoof1969
6 ай бұрын
I remember an Australian relay team got DQ'ed at a World Championship meeting as they wete doing their post race interview when they all jumped in their own lane after they'd finished but others were still racing - i know Petria Thomas was one of them and i think USA was promoted to gold. Might have been a WR time too that went up in smoke. Mid-naughties maybe?
@bethhentges
6 ай бұрын
I remember that
@jasonl122
6 ай бұрын
2001 World Champs. USA got DQd in the same final for an early changeover so they both missed the podium. For those playing at home, at the same meet Ian Thorpe wins 6 golds, 4 in WR time and Michael Phelps wins the first of his 26 WC gold medals.
@fifiwoof1969
6 ай бұрын
@jasonl122 I looked it up and later on USA's DQ was "reversed" and they got gold along with GB - apparently the touch pads were faulty during that meet and caused one of their changeovers to be ruled illegal - subsequently overturned by video evidence apparently. STILL! Should know the rules.
@rachelnew9131
15 күн бұрын
I agree with you both team members finished the race one just a secant after and their was no interference with any other swimmers he should have been awarded his fist place medal or trophy or what ever it is for that sport
@justinterrapin942
6 ай бұрын
The swimmer that got 2nd really pointing. He knew the rules. Idk. Rules have a reason! Just like we have laws. But I understand the argument. By rule he is disqualified. This is a teaching moment for sure!!
@LethalOwl
6 ай бұрын
He pointed to his friend, joining him in celebrating the victory. "He's the man!" kind of vibe, as often happens in team sports. They're team mates and good friends, he wasn't calling out shit. Edit; Also, no rule was broken, as this video clearly shows. He did not INTERFERE with anyone actively competing.
@crazdgamer
6 ай бұрын
0:37 I appreciate the amount of effort that went into a 2-second bit.
@blueberryjam698
Ай бұрын
They should definitely update the rules
@Jas-yi8pv
6 ай бұрын
Both lanes 4 and 5 had finished at that point...race over...no interference. It says "subject to the discretion of the referee" who obviously didn't use common sense in this situation. The guy won the race fair and square and deserves the medal.
@chuckwalla2967
6 ай бұрын
He didn't get disqualified for celebrating. He was disqualified for breaking a rule and entering someone else's lane.
@superzockertvyt9630
6 ай бұрын
That person was already finished though
@rongold7719
6 ай бұрын
@@superzockertvyt9630 My understanding is he has to wait until all the racers are done.
@TheJeffro451
6 ай бұрын
Every time you win, break this rule. Because, Fuck Them.
@oldebill1807
6 ай бұрын
I H*A*T*E this call. Is there an appeals process, if not then officials need to understand the spirit of the rule and adhere to that. Yes there was a technical violation of the rule as written but the infraction had ZERO impact (nor could it have had any) on any one else's performance or finish.
@helviojr
6 ай бұрын
Don't you think the rule must have "if it interferes..." written so the officials are authorized to judge? There are forbidden strokes in some heats. Should officials disqualify every swimmer that do a forbidden stroke, or only those they judge the stroke has actually created an advantage?
@oldebill1807
6 ай бұрын
@@helviojrThat would indeed be a more clear way of stating the rule. During the original writing of the rule, would it have been envisioned that two swimmers in a competitive event would have time finish and mount the lane dividers before the last swimmers even started their final length of the pool?
@52Dannytheman
6 ай бұрын
I sure didn’t see that swimming video coming. But that said, bad call.
@closethockeyfan5284
6 ай бұрын
I could not possibly count the number of hours poured into TS3, peak life simulation right there. And good luck on the progesterone!
@ПетрВолынский
6 ай бұрын
A swimmer has to know the rules
@LJPLAYSROBLOX
5 ай бұрын
Yes, but why the hell do they need to be disqualified for celebrating they could’ve given him a warning or something but not disqualified him Isn’t that what we all do when we accomplish something amazing
@kevinkennett7474
6 ай бұрын
Is there a video of the awards ceremony?
@0228mustang
6 ай бұрын
Would be interesting...
@shizzy8250
6 ай бұрын
Disqualifying is a bit extreme. If you want to say that he celebrated excessively, I don't know the rulings on that in swimming, but even then it was no Hingle McCringleberry level of excessive.
@GregMcNeish
6 ай бұрын
The only way I could agree with this call is if this is indicative of behaviour for which this swimmer (or these swimmers in general) have been warned. If he's got a history of crossing the lane markings after a win before the heat ends, and he's been warned not to do that, then yeah, disqualify him. Or if there's a history of it in NCAA swimming that the association has decided to crack down on (similar to a rules emphasis in MLB), then you call it. But if it's as isolated an incident as its presented to be, then this looks draconian.
@mdelong
Ай бұрын
But he swimmers must know this rule book inside out. I think he was just excited and not thinking. It's a terrible shame. Poor kid. I wouldn't want to be the guy in 2nd to get up claim the gold.
@ThyEmperorGalaxy
4 ай бұрын
This will destroy his life. Hear my words, he’s never gonna win any race at any event after that incident.
@wlittleman
6 ай бұрын
I agree with your analysis. Rules and policies are always context sensitive. That is why we need intelligent people to craft the rules and policies clearly and intelligent people to interpret and administer them as they were intended by the rule maker.
@TintagelEmrys
Ай бұрын
It didn't actually affect who won the race, but it would have still impacted the other swimmers. That was a lot of extra movement it weird directions, and distracting. I can definitely see that it may have hindered swimmers in other lanes. While the first and second were finished, third wasn't. Even if they were, you still don't have the right to mess up everyone else just cause they can't win.
@JohnSmith-qh5oe
6 ай бұрын
With all the time spent its worth an appeal, then a lawsuit because he didnt actually interfere in the spirit of an interference rule.
@angelodawana9838
6 ай бұрын
Comeback stronger champ. That's what legends were born.
@thebadgamer1967
6 ай бұрын
This is some high level BS as an Aussie we love watching swimming and I've seen swimmers do this before at high level completions with no problems this is wrong and needs to be reversed, as for "interfering with another swimmer" rule a swimmers wake can do that too so still BS poor kid Im bloody furious.
@RoadTripTravel
6 ай бұрын
This is such B.S., when will it be overturned? I guess it's not fair to the people that didn't win, that's why they made this call.
@patrickac2
6 ай бұрын
Keep in mind the year numbers on that rule book. 2023-24 and 2024-25. Meaning next season is not a rule change year. If it's not a rule change year, then the only rule changes allowed are those that are safety related. (Edit: Or at the very least, that's how it was when I last checked pre-pandemic.) Meaning that either this rule will not get changed next season, or celebrations on ropes will be banned entirely out of concerns of "falling off and chipping a tooth on the ledge" or something of similar loopholiness. Let's hope for the former.
@DitherPlus
6 ай бұрын
It might not be directly related to the topic at hand, but I just want to say that I'm really happy and felt delightfully respresented as a trans person whilst finding this video! | I agree with you completely, and as one transwoman to another, keep up the wonderful work!
@pyRoy6
6 ай бұрын
Wait. I thought this is a hockey channel.
@MicahSilversmith
6 ай бұрын
Love the entertainment in this one
@Mario-to6tl
6 ай бұрын
i blame the couches , training 8 year old Kids , not cross a line until the race is over Oven cross the Line and you see behind him 2 Swimmer trying to end the race
@saugusguy
6 ай бұрын
I'm not trying to be rude..and respectfully I don't know if you are male or female?
@jaxthedisintegrator8096
6 ай бұрын
Instant subscribing, great explanations 😃
@XIStance-xd8nh
6 ай бұрын
It was discretionary and there was no contextual application to the rule in this situation. Bad call!
@supatsornjantham4311
4 ай бұрын
You know it’s bad when there’s 30k views and less than 400 likes
@derek4718
2 ай бұрын
I agree with everybody else as a competitor BUT, you DID dare me to rationalize it for it to make sense to you. You named what? Like two sports? There's plenty of other sports where this "Rule" has been kept in play & enforced. Case in point: Pool competition, you can't make the final ball shooting pool then touch the other balls. 1 competitor won, then went to touch the remaining balls to help re-rack for the next game, but was DQ'd because the balls didn't stop moving. Rules are in place for a reason. Idk why because I'm not on the "board" lol BUT...IF the person next to him WASN'T done, maybe his antics would have disoriented the other swimmer, thus causing him to go head first into the wall. Maybe one slight rule break can cause a waterfall effect & cause mass hysteria rofl 😂. With ANYTHING and ANY SPORT, once you stop enforcing rules, it ALL becomes OPEN SEASON. Now, a "Travel" in basketball is a hop step? Wtf is that? A hop, skip & jump away from another excuse to cheat AND/OR have an excuse to say that IF ENOUGH PEOPLE DO IT, THEN IT'S OK?! You go jump off a cliff & see if I'll follow sister. 🤷🏻♂️ On a lighter note though, if it was me, I would have taken it a step further & went to the board to drop out of the race or try & find ANOTHER TECHNICALITY to impose my view that he won, thus disqualifying myself. He did give him the medal, which was honorable, BUT I can't find anything online that shows he took it further aside from giving him the medal BUT taking the win on the books! I'm assuming his name is still in the record books & he was happy enough with that! Thus leading me to wonder his true intentions. Looks like a "Hero" as many have commented, BUT did he REALLY implement ANY change outside of looking like the hero & taking EVEN MORE from his competitor's accolades? Only sheep don't see what the herd are doing 😂🤷🏻♂️
@MattIannon-il1ox
Ай бұрын
Wow. Are people losing their Brain Cells at a higher rate now days. I'm speaking about the judges. I don't know how these judges can look at themselves in the mirror and not laugh. The person that was a lap behind could out swim me or any of the others leaving comments here. However, I don't believe this had an impact on his time. The more News and Clips I watch, the more I realize how corrupt everything is. It's embarrassing. Please Spread Peace and Honesty. ❤️.
@leniluan5131
6 ай бұрын
Referees are honestly so infuriating sometimes. They completely negate the human aspect of sports, and it feels like it's their sole purpose to ruin the sport, defying all logic
@joe2lank
6 ай бұрын
Poorly written rule being poorly enforced.
@ButchRahman
6 ай бұрын
Corrected: Poorly written rule being enforced.
@waakca
6 ай бұрын
Your analysis very logical as it references the rule book. If the rule about changing lanes is under the heading "interference" and there was no interference then the rule would not apply. I have watched other videos and comments and I have yet to see anyone else make your specific argument and without your specific argument I think the rule would have applied.
@Utrilus
6 ай бұрын
I suppose her example has the subtext of it being up to the judge's discretion. Like it's mentioned in article 1 a. But she doesn't highlight that text and say if or if not subsection b overrules that.
@strix.1
6 ай бұрын
Yes, a rule is a rule, but as mentioned, he did not interfere with anyone else placing. Owen was first, Dant was second and the 3rd, 4th & 5th place swimmers all finished before he even crawled up on the lane line between him and Dant. Could not find any comment from the swimmer in last, Yanchev...curious if him and his coach feel that rule call was justified.😕💦🏊♂
@jeffmejia111
6 ай бұрын
Take it as a learning experience, kid. Rules are rules whether you agree with them or not, they're there for a reason. But I must hand it to the teammate who refused to accept the win on a DQ. Now, that is a young man with a proper professional demeanor. I'm very old school, if you didn't finish first then you shouldn't accept the first place trophy. To this day I cannot and will not recognize Flavien Prat nor his second rate trainer Bill Mott for 'accepting' the Kentucky Derby on a bogus DQ call. Flat out they didn't earn it and they didn't deserve it. So, thank you young man for having integrity---Prat and Mott should take a page from your book and hand the K. Derby to the rightful winners.
@hariseldon2450
6 ай бұрын
A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat SHALL be disqualified. Why did he do it? Why swim for 15 minutes and jump into another swimmer's lane before the heat was over?
@moseleynorley
4 ай бұрын
Bad call
@JPINFV
6 ай бұрын
By the letter of the law it's the right ruling. The rule itself, regardless of the section it's placed in, doesn't discuss interference. It also uses the word "shall" which leaves little room for negotiation. I think the way to handle this is to pretend it wasn't noticed (after all, no one sees all rule violations...) unless someone complains.
@Utrilus
6 ай бұрын
In article 1 it mentions that the breaking of a rule is up to the judge's discretion, but I dunno if subsection A overrulers Article 1's main description. I'd question if the judge is fit for the job cause it's evident he could not discern between celebration and interference.
@damac5136
6 ай бұрын
It looks like Ross is the low-life who pointed at Lloyd for having broken the stupid rule. Talk about disingenuous!
@linuxramblingproductions8554
6 ай бұрын
I think he pointed at him in congratulations for his win
@stephenkasper6081
6 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of the NCAAs draconian sportsmanship rules, but Lyndsey has said that unenforced rules are bad officiating. You can hug across the barrier. Even in the Olympics they wait until the race is over to cross barriers. The act of distracting someone is still interference. Even the competitor in last place should be allowed to set a personal best with being distracted by a fellow racer. I don't like that a fairly won race was lost due to this technicality, but if you only want the winner to count then stop giving out silver and bronze medals.
@linuxramblingproductions8554
6 ай бұрын
Its swimming there eyes are looking down it is legitimately impossible for them to see the person celebrating this is flat out stupid to say they obviously weren’t “distracted”
@mskolnik2
6 ай бұрын
The rule doesn’t apply because no one was being interfered with. Him crossing to his friend’s lane is no more distracting than him staying in his own lane and splashing to celebrate like Michael Phelps did. You are wrong, and wrong.
@cainpitt
6 ай бұрын
While I don’t like the call, you can’t fault a ref for following the rules. The spirit of the rules thing does make sense though.
@bobspringer3728
6 ай бұрын
I officiate track & field and not baseball nor swimming. We have interference rules. Those rules require that the regular pace or path of the runner be changed. We also have a rule about lanes. For races run in lanes, the runner must finish in the lane they started in. That's it. Have I made calls on those rules, sure I have. That being said, the question is really how to get rid of a bad rule. For a person that is not on a rules committee, you have to draw attention to the rule. A case in point is the runner's lane rule change for the coming season. The old rule was not a good one and there was enough attention drawn that rule this last year that it was changed. Hopefully the controversy here will result in a rule change. The rule is bad and needs to be changed.
@ChasingChampionships
6 ай бұрын
Overturn this bs immediately!
@michaelhogg324
6 ай бұрын
If this was the Olympics this DQ would have never happened and also I hope that the ACC reverses the DQ
@DJFNaFMan
6 ай бұрын
That guy will get his medal people will scream for him to get it and he will I just know it.
@annied1827
6 ай бұрын
He got it, but not officially. The other guy gave it to him
@mptr1783
6 ай бұрын
Well, the catcher threw the ball and the swimmer was out of the swimming lane................wait. Sorry, this is a gross misinterpretation of a rule IMO. The spirit of the rule means a "swimmer cannot leave their lane" while swimming the race. Well, those 2 swimmers' race was done. How can the powers that be allow a disqulification?
@rickdoner5181
6 ай бұрын
One of the dumbest calls I have ever seen.
@tannergrinzel1835
Ай бұрын
@@rickdoner5181 the rule itself was dumb
@zacheryjequinto7259
6 ай бұрын
While it is in the rulebook, it is also important to know that it says, "to the discretion of the referee." Meaning that this was an intentional and rather petty call from the referees. Him celebrating did nothing to affect the game because he and his teammate both already finished and were well ahead of the other's. The referee made the intentional call of disqualfication though it had no affect towards the result and could have ignored it altogether.
@blueskies25
6 ай бұрын
Goes to show not only baseball umps are inept
@miguelcarlopanganiban1570
6 ай бұрын
but rules are rules…… what’s the point of the rule book if it’s not followed?
@XIStance-xd8nh
6 ай бұрын
It was discretionary and there was no contextual application to the rule in this situation. Bad call!
@miguelcarlopanganiban1570
6 ай бұрын
@@XIStance-xd8nh no discretionary needed, its clearly stated “A swimmer who changes lane during a heat shall be disqualified.” Its just common sense! Owen Lloyd violated this rule and its just being implemented. You guys should discern the difference between sports and hobby, a sport have rules while a hobby does not. Clearly Owen’s at a sport so he at all times shall abide by the rules. There’s a saying “Never celebrate too early.” Owen is a perfect example for this.
@helviojr
6 ай бұрын
It is not exactly a new or unknown rule. The main problem here isn't exactly the draconian rule (yes it could be changed) or the referees applying the rule by the book (they did what all referees should do, as there is no room for interpetation). The big problem here is the million of athletes and coaches that starts a game without even reading the rule book. In all sports. "You should not make that call, because nobody has told me that rule, so I didn't do it on purpose!"
@linuxramblingproductions8554
6 ай бұрын
The rule should not apply because they did not cause any interference
@helviojr
6 ай бұрын
@@linuxramblingproductions8554 Yes, but in swimming, waiting in your lane for all competitors to finish is considered also an act of respect. I know it is listed in "interference" section, but one should know there is also that underlying purpose.
@linuxramblingproductions8554
6 ай бұрын
@@raymond19001 the amount of force that would have to create to actually effect the others is massively more then him just slipping into it
@TheRealChetManley
6 ай бұрын
He knew the rule. Everyone knew the rule. The rule applies to everyone. There are no stipulations for exceptions. Either the rule is applied to everyone or it becomes an interpretation issue and the rule is applied at the officials discretion. We don’t need officials arbitrarily deciding when rules should apply. It’s all very simple. Stay in your lane until the race has concluded. Actions have consequences. In this case he loses a swimming match, big deal. The more important lesson is, know the rules and follow them.
@brs04wsc
6 ай бұрын
I'm a former college swimmer and this is DISGUSTING. Just DISGUSTING. There's always judgement in officiating anything, and to show no judgment.... none of them should ever officiate again.
@Jaquableu
6 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you. There was no interference. What did the Ref know one of the swimmers? WOW!
@jameshickam1787
6 ай бұрын
... Maybe ... JUST Maybe, this should NOT have been an "Interference" call a baseball or softball "Obstruction' call.. Had the Obstructed swimmer been effected - they would have been awarded an additional lap... :) heck I don't know.. There are reasons why rules continue to be changed... And you wore a swim suit for us all too.. Wonder what the next topic sport might be...
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