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@neilmartin7776
3 жыл бұрын
"How about a gold dial?" "Which gold?" "Yes."
@renemarquezrodriguez941
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite part too
@hitarthmodi3600
3 жыл бұрын
This has recently became my favourite meme *YES*
@sulthanhafiin9200
3 жыл бұрын
The way this guy speaks is humorous yet elegant
@Pentti_Hilkuri
3 жыл бұрын
"All of them"
@StopFear
3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm....would anyone really expect any high end watch company not to be able to provide a particular type of gold?
@habfan123424
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Lange fanboy, but the dial on that Credor... My god is it beautiful
@TucsonDude
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, but that movement of the ALS with the gold chatons, screwed balance, blued screws, swan's neck regulator, waves on the top plate...blow it away.
@habfan123424
3 жыл бұрын
@@TucsonDude Lange for sure make THE prettiest movements in the world, but GS/Credor step it up more with their dials
@Bhethar
3 жыл бұрын
It looks like you could taste it.
@xx1j
3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually amazed you guys managed to get that Credor in the channel
@hathaway.1166
2 жыл бұрын
Since they’re part of Richemont group, that probably helped them pull the strings easier
@MPD90
Ай бұрын
@@hathaway.1166 Richemont have nothing to do with Credor?
@tonykowalski4189
3 жыл бұрын
4:53 just look at that mirror finish
3 жыл бұрын
Its always a romance story until reference numbers come to play 😂
@calebjaymes9710
3 жыл бұрын
Frfr
@HRM.H
3 жыл бұрын
Credor will always be one of my grail watch brands. They make amazing dials.
@juniortoledo8088
3 жыл бұрын
There is something special about ALS dials, no matter how simple they are.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
You could say that about any high end watch.
@einundsiebenziger5488
3 жыл бұрын
@@bighands69 There are quite a few high-end watches whose dial is unrecognizeable due to a shitload of subdials or addedd functions or even watches that don't have a dial at all.
@godwolf2090
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think the Swiss are “done” so to speak, but Germany and Japan brands have changed the game the same way the Swiss did coming from the French dominated watch era
@alexhurt7919
3 жыл бұрын
Swiss dominance in the industry has been done. Obviously they'll still remain a huge part of watchmaking. They won't be the best watch makers at any price point though. Over time Swiss watchmaking will cease to be the thought of as top tier. Already I'd say A. Lange has taken the crown as the best watch maker.
@alectang1614
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexhurt7919 Lange are tremendous, don't get me wrong. But they still can't make their own cases or bracelets - Sinn make them for them. And the Big Date complication on Lange's were actually given to them by JLC due to being in Richemont. Their finishing is top level though but it's not a fully integrated watchmaker yet.
@canonyeo4286
3 жыл бұрын
@@alectang1614 good points.
@dimman77
3 жыл бұрын
@@alectang1614 I don't think the information about Sinn/SUG for the cases is current. Hallmarks are different now I believe.
@alectang1614
3 жыл бұрын
@@dimman77 I'm quite sure Sinn's cases are still made by SUG, well Sinn own SUG now. The Lange Odysseus white gold model still has the SUG hallmark. You can see it on the case back.
@RedloxBeats
3 жыл бұрын
that Credor dial looks like my Satinwood kitchen table
@groges7999
3 жыл бұрын
Or my morning latte 🤣
@RedloxBeats
3 жыл бұрын
@@groges7999 lol
@dimman77
3 жыл бұрын
@@groges7999 Hmmm... I'm now imagining a latte art dial in multicolour gold...
@jakekaywell5972
3 жыл бұрын
Given how wood is an excellent material, I'm not dissapointed in the slightest!
@RedloxBeats
3 жыл бұрын
@@jakekaywell5972 well I mean the quality is for sure superb but I did not say they actually used wood but it just looks like one
@KingKyong
3 жыл бұрын
The quality of these videos... - they are simply mesmerizing.
@gc4397
3 жыл бұрын
The most impressive part to me is that the quality of the videos have been this great since the beginning! Usually channels grow into this but not this channel. I'm not even a watch collector and I'm sucked into this world of watchmakers and small intricacies of each watch shown because of the great camera work and narration.
@sushimshah2896
3 жыл бұрын
@@gc4397 I liked the earlier music
@paceyombex
3 жыл бұрын
Event more amazing, It always has been.
@MICHAELZHANGCA
3 жыл бұрын
A Lange is my ultimate watch. They are so simple yet beautiful. I'm still saving. I will eventually have to sell some of what I have to afford one, but I will afford one.
@jimlittle5769
3 жыл бұрын
I will pick up an ALS for my retirement watch, then I'll be done collecting. The only watch I will spend five figures for.
@MICHAELZHANGCA
3 жыл бұрын
@@jimlittle5769 I was thinking to myself today. I will sell all the watches I have, buy an A. Lange and a Casio (my gshock is down) and I'll be done. Maybe I will do that one morning after I wake up.
@jimlittle5769
3 жыл бұрын
@@MICHAELZHANGCA when I get my ALS, I am sure at least a couple of my watches will be traded in to help with the cost and because, really, once I have that I'll be wanting to wear it a good chunk of time so others will go because they just won't be worn.
@MICHAELZHANGCA
3 жыл бұрын
@@jimlittle5769 Exactly. I buy watches to wear, not to collect dust. I hope you get yours soon.
@patrickbrcr
3 жыл бұрын
@@jimlittle5769 I think a perfect two-watch collection is a dressy ALS and a stainless Rolex for everything else.
@hkyper
3 жыл бұрын
The credor dial looks like neapolitan ice cream, a very beautiful ice cream.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
It is a nice mid level watch.
@einundsiebenziger5488
3 жыл бұрын
If this was in fact an ice cream dish, it'd be indeed quite nice. As a watch dial this is pure kitsch.
@paulbellas8797
2 ай бұрын
Love the simplicity of the dial. Perfection
@UnderSurveillanceAP
3 жыл бұрын
The Credor is sublime. If I owned it, I fear my mind would find enlightenment leaving my body staring at the dial with vacant eyes and spittle drooling down my chin in some mental institution.
@tods.9947
3 жыл бұрын
And then you turn the watch over...
@robertkirk4387
2 жыл бұрын
I know it would be sacrilege but I do not think I would dare wear it.
@MrLeumass
3 жыл бұрын
Wow these images on a 4K display are just mind blowing! Thanks a lot! And the story telling is top class as usual :)
@michaeleccles3336
3 жыл бұрын
When I had my rolex watches I noticed that all I really 'looked' at was the name rolex and I think that's the great trick. They've made such a deal of the name that you don't ogle anything else because there's nothing else to ogle. Now I have my GS watches I'm constantly in flux. One minute admiring the dial, then the hands, then the incredible case work, and it goes on and on. Rarely do I look at and admire the name. That, for me, is the mark of a truly great watch. If you can remove the name and it still look brilliant. The ALS and Credor don't need the name there to be amazing.
@WatchMeEDC
3 жыл бұрын
And that’s why H. Moser is on fire right now. Such good design and execution they aren’t even putting their own name on some of their watch dials
@canonyeo4286
3 жыл бұрын
Well said. I have the same thoughts
@johnvuong6926
3 жыл бұрын
The price range is in a different ball park.
@michaeleccles3336
3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchMeEDC did you see the review of the annual calender (H Moser) they did? So understated and just very very cool. A real 'if you know, you know' watch.
@WatchMeEDC
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaeleccles3336 I did. Moser is really building up some serious momentum with collectors and enthusiasts. The fumé dials are just fantastic, along with the exaggerated sapphire crystals and case shapes, they have really created a unique style in a very short time.
@MegaLucifer1981
3 жыл бұрын
A. Lange & Söhne is on an other level compared to the Swiss. Although King and Grand Seiko was the reason of many watch "contests" in the 60s and 70s to be terminated by the Swiss, because of the Japanese winning at them😱🥰
@chaplainrock8989
3 жыл бұрын
Counterpoint: Swiss marketing and storybuilding are an unstoppable force. They lost technical(Grand Seiko) and craft(AL&S) dominanceover a decade ago.
@matthieudarbord737
3 жыл бұрын
There are countless examples of Swiss watches surpassing Grand Seiko in technicality and AL&S in craft. Examples are independent watchmakers like Laurent Ferrier but also larger manufacturers like PP, Bréguet and Journe
@ocb05
3 жыл бұрын
@@matthieudarbord737 yeah with 10-20 times the price of GS
@patrickbrcr
3 жыл бұрын
@@ocb05 I agree...GS shouldn't have been mentioned in that sentence.
@dimman77
3 жыл бұрын
@@matthieudarbord737 Ferrier doesn't do any work himself. Just buys in expensive parts. Journe watches are notoriously unreliable, some going back for months-long warranty work within weeks of purchased new. And Breguet is still using dressed up old Lemania and Longines movements in some of their watches. And seriously what Swiss watch matches the technical aspects of the Grand Seiko 9R02 Spring Drive?
@sergeyzerkin8029
3 жыл бұрын
How ? Rolex still makes better movements thanks Gs high beat
@mahamza86
3 жыл бұрын
To me A Lange and Sohne is the best watchmaker ever. I may not own one or even see one in real life ever, but I wish to own one.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
Not best ever. Great watches but they have not real history.
@einundsiebenziger5488
3 жыл бұрын
@@bighands69 A. Lange's history is in fact almost as old as PPs. It just was interrupted by 43 years of communist dictatorship. The current company is a re-foundation, established in 1990 but its origins go back to 1845.
@JiiHate
3 жыл бұрын
@@bighands69 He did say "to me".
@mutairird
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. I wish you all the best.. Tissot for ever.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
@@einundsiebenziger5488 The current A. Lange & Söhne is a company that was resurrected in 1990 and is not the company of 1845 years ago. A. Lange & Söhne makes really nice watches and they most certainly will keep the Swiss on their toes but I would not say best ever.
@vktravellog1242
2 жыл бұрын
Credor! Its refreshing to see a video on Credor which is an unknown brand to many unless your a hardcore watch collector! I do agree Japan and Germany are giving the swiss a run for their money and with Grand Seiko's introduction of the constant force tourbillon they are on their way to be in the same conversation as Patek!
@JimIBobIJones
2 жыл бұрын
Its more that the brand is targeted heavily for the Japanese internal market and not marketed in the west. The designs are almost entirely "arty", avant-garde dress watches and doesn't fit the aesthetics popular outside of Japan. Grand Seiko designs are more conservative/familiar and does much better in the west, so they have focused their marketing on that instead.
@jakekaywell5972
3 жыл бұрын
Both the ALS and the Credor shown here are lovely pieces, but I would give the nod to the Credor for showing a bit more personality while still being restrained enough to be a proper dress watch. A tough thing to pull off but the folks at the Shizukuishi Watch Studio did it and did it well in my opinion. The thinner movement of the Credor is also a big plus for me.
@siongheeleong8078
3 жыл бұрын
Few watches can hold up to the super macro at high magnification used here. These 2 can. This is extraordinary finishing at a level so high that it is an insane level of attention to detail.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
Magnification is not the means to judge a watch. Art is not judged superior by magnification.
@doctorpanigrahi9975
3 жыл бұрын
@@bighands69 Rolex will fall apart under high magnification
@mazarashiuchiha9928
3 жыл бұрын
The Damascus Jupiter dial is something of mythical prophecy. Never has a company done something to this level. Well done.
@paktipung7903
3 жыл бұрын
Jupiter dial.. u should patent those words,
@melvsdlp9293
3 жыл бұрын
I can never get enough of your videos!!! Gorgeously shot. And the voice....that voice...❤️❤️
@glenospace
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. The war analogy with Swiss on one side, and Germany and Japan on the other always makes one think “what if”.
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
Modern day Swiss armed services would be no push over.
@ryanermoody999
3 жыл бұрын
A. Lange & Söhne Datograph Perpetual Tourbillon (salmon dial) = mic drop
@reservecommander4856
3 жыл бұрын
The A. Lange & Söhne Saxonia Thin is a beauty!
@TucsonDude
3 жыл бұрын
The view at 7:03 is one to behold with the gold chatons, screwed balance, blued screws, (engraved) swan's neck regulator, waves on the top plate. Is there even a Swiss watch with that view?
@the_real_micha
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome macro views on great watches! Nothing better than A. Lange & Söhne!
@chareric
3 жыл бұрын
These are the kind of videos that keep me in the hobby and keeps me dreaming of owning such a piece.
@theautumnalcyclist7629
3 жыл бұрын
Wow... I have a theory that the CEO of Patek Phillipe behind closed doors pulls open a draw and places a A.Lange & Sohne on their wrist and just stares! Maybe just maybe?
@MrIMPRESIO
3 жыл бұрын
Credor dial is just from other planet , hell of a art 🔥🔥🔥 but I will go for Lange anyway. Your macro video justifiing have crazy finishing they do on movement 🤯
@matgorelsp
3 жыл бұрын
I seen a few different A.Lange Sohne watches in person last week they are another level of watch making. That Credor is amazing.
@IFELL100
3 жыл бұрын
Love the new angles and camera views.
@barfymann362
3 жыл бұрын
Guys, I finally put the deposit down for my Lange! P.S. Watchfinder, you forgot to do a video for the Reverso's 90th Anniversary!
@josephm.6453
3 жыл бұрын
Congrats!
@VVS1920
3 жыл бұрын
Decision well made
@Lavi-Aemilia-Astori
3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Finally!
@fardinhooo
3 жыл бұрын
fucking incredible !!! which one did you go for and why
@TheDafrankie
3 жыл бұрын
Interested to learn about how to order one! Can we just go into an authorised dealer and order one?
@milantoth2045
3 жыл бұрын
Lange Saxonia Thin is an amazing timeless beauty from any direction
@rashakor
2 жыл бұрын
The gold Mokugane dial on the Credor is indeed impressive. I have been wondering many years why that is not a more common option for dials.
@MartinHeadzz
3 жыл бұрын
How is it possible that I fload (!) Just by looking at the A. Lange dial..... Simple , but OMG what a beauty.
@morisbayar9442
3 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful way of STORY TELLING is thiisss!!! Excellent in each and every single episode... Thank you very much for the big efforts 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@jokfly
3 жыл бұрын
Credor.... I'm speechless. Magnificent.
@chinchinche
3 жыл бұрын
It's a good day when Watchfinder releases a new video. A. Lange & Söhne is my grail brand. And to me they're better than any Patek, Vacheron, or Audemars.
@victorutomo7244
3 жыл бұрын
That 'empty' dial of Lange! God, it is so great.
@Mans1810
3 жыл бұрын
"This makes DaVinci's work look like a bus station Billboard" that cracked me up 🤣
@dylanlamb8710
3 жыл бұрын
Two watch Titans! Hand finishing to the extreme! Great video!
@CozYellow
3 жыл бұрын
Listening to you talking about watches made me a watch-head. Thanks for the great work!
@mrheru8627
3 жыл бұрын
That CREDOR.... Wow amazing
@yesudasnaidu3541
3 жыл бұрын
Undoubtedly AL&S is beautiful
@PrimeMatt
3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are good, no need for the cheap clickbait titles, you are better than that!
@KC-bv9kf
3 жыл бұрын
He argued his case and summarize it well at the end.
@panaceiasuberes6464
3 жыл бұрын
I really want to get a substantial part of my collection to be Credor. I have the Eichi II and some piece uniques but really want some more...
@universalgeneve8049
3 жыл бұрын
My god, that Credor is beautiful.
@adrianchoo337
3 жыл бұрын
Omg that Credor... 😍😍😍
@rayleeaustralia
3 жыл бұрын
So there's Seiko, Grand Seiko and then Credor?
@othus123
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@dimman77
3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@JLchevz
3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna say it, the Credor look clumsily designed. The ALS looks clean, elegant, beautiful. The Credor could be a Branzi.
@jakekaywell5972
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. There is such a thing as taking the clean and elegant look too far and I believe ALS did it with this piece. It looks positively sterile. I give the nod to the Credor here if only for showing a bit more personality.
@JLchevz
3 жыл бұрын
@@jakekaywell5972 I actually think the ALS looks very well done and beautiful, it's so simple, clear and easy to look at, but I understand where you're coming from :D
@jakekaywell5972
3 жыл бұрын
@@JLchevz Thanks for understanding. Good thing there are opinions and options on the market. Time for me to dig into my piggy bank!
@dimman77
3 жыл бұрын
But can we turn these brands into a financialized semi-Ponzi scheme like Rolex and Patek steel watches are? Only then will the Swiss be surpassed.
@bilibiliism
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Swiss are master of marketing and branding.
@johnvuong6926
3 жыл бұрын
@@bilibiliism marketing and branding backed with product quality
@deweyvicknair6875
3 жыл бұрын
Bazinga!
@doctorpanigrahi9975
3 жыл бұрын
Rolex are not well made and they are overpriced in black market.
@stevefox8605
3 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous, prefer the Credor myself that dial is on another level. Beautiful 👍🏻👍🏻
@Abdullah-fz9xy
3 жыл бұрын
You voice is so soothing especially in this category it fits perfectly!
@LJ-wo1wf
3 жыл бұрын
4:38 -- (paraphrasing) "the battle can't be won by numbers, but instead another way... the Saxonia's weapon is perfection"... And we hear the narrator say this as we watch the ALS's rough-hewn minutes hand contrasted by the Credor's fully-finished-front-and-back minutes hand. ;-)
@junainishigori8756
3 жыл бұрын
I‘ve went to Japan and seeing these Credor Watches in a shop in real was an great experience. This is the pinnacle of waches.
@Armoer
3 жыл бұрын
Although the Credors finishing is nothing but perfect. The finishing on the movement still feels industrial next to the ALS. The Lange has got more emotion and tradition in it
@jakekaywell5972
3 жыл бұрын
Really? I would argue the opposite. The ALS looks positively sterile in comparison to the Credor. Both lovely pieces though.
@Armoer
3 жыл бұрын
@@jakekaywell5972 from the front I agree. The dial is more classic and sterile. But the movement decoration is more ‘in your face’ and like traditional pocket watches.
@litesaber54yi3
3 жыл бұрын
I have been into watches for prob about 10 years years now, and have known about the major players for prob twice that time. In that time i learned of A. Lange & Söhne and Glashutte. The Swiss have long since lost their "dominance", even before this speck of a human and his love of watches came on to the stage. Having said that i wouldn't kick a Patek Philippe out of bed if you know what I mean!
@vgcamara
3 жыл бұрын
Remember in the 60s when Seiko beat the swiss at their own game in the chronometer competitions? remember how the swiss shut down these competitions and banned Seiko (any non European brand for that matter) from participating ever again? the swiss have been resting on their laurels for decades. time to wake up
@gabrielwillis9078
3 жыл бұрын
I too enjoy making up history to fit my narrative. It was the 60s and 70s not the 90s. Seiko did manage to win, but as quartz came onto the scene the competitions were ended as a whole, they didn't ban non-swiss companies, there was just no more competition.
@vgcamara
3 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielwillis9078 I did get the date wrong (fixed now) but I don't think it changes much and I certainly wasn't making stuff up to suit my narrative. The swiss restarted the Chronometer competitions in 2009 and added a rule that stated: “All parts used to build the movement must be made within Europe.” Basically preventing their main competition from participating ever again. sore losers maybe? watchesbysjx.com/2013/06/explaining-seikos-legendary-history-in-swiss-chronometer-trials-with-live-pictures-of-its-landmark-astronomical-observatory-chronometer.html
@doctorpanigrahi9975
3 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielwillis9078 Shut up Gabriel. They brought back the compitition in 2009 with the condition that all watch parts have to be made in Europe. You are dillusional to suck up on the Swiss.
@YuichiTamaki
3 жыл бұрын
The Credor dial looks like jupiter
@tippykaffu4047
3 жыл бұрын
And then comes the several Swiss independent watchmaker like Jean Daniel Nicolas(or Daniel Roth) that surpasses both Credor and Lange. And yes, it goes both ways with Independent Japanese, German, English and Dutch watchmakers.
@patrickbrcr
3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the reasons it's difficult to compare watchmakers at that level. If one thinks Patek is the best manufacturer out there, it's a given that the person is not comparing Patek to Andreas Strehler, Greubel Forsey, or Philippe Dufour.
@skicrz
Жыл бұрын
I'll never have enough discretionary money to afford either so your video is likely the closest I ever get but I can still vicariously appreciate the beauty of both these pieces thanks to your words and pics. Thank you for that.
@binhtranduc
3 жыл бұрын
Compare the finishing on the reflection at 4:40. That is just ridicoulus, the japanese just doesnt give up until perfection.
@fsantini81
3 жыл бұрын
You always say "It would mean a lot to me personally" - but will we ever manage to put a face to this voice? :)
@WatchMeEDC
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my the dark-to-light-light-to-dark transitions at 3:07 were extraordinary! Well done good sir! Another outstanding video.
@cirrusmckinney
3 жыл бұрын
"This makes da Vinci's work look like a bus station billboard", You should copyright some of your wonderful proverbs!
@lndyrd
3 жыл бұрын
Well I have seen the Mona Lisa on bus station billboards several times - as museum ads
@thibaultbossert8863
3 жыл бұрын
I expected that Credor to cost 3x more
@dimman77
3 жыл бұрын
Any chance of doing a video on a Credor ref. GBAQ961 with the bas taille grand feu enamel dial?
@GCALcontent
3 жыл бұрын
I am in no position to pass comment on the narrative, however ....what a beautifully filmed and edited video. Very well done. Excellent.
@treedillinger5801
3 жыл бұрын
That’s a bit of an overstatement 😬😁
@gelmibson883
3 жыл бұрын
Woo! I would throw my Rolex in Spaghetti bowl for a Grand Seiko SBGC201! Woo!
@Feynman981
3 жыл бұрын
You will regret it within a few minutes when you start feeling dead inside starring on your unimaginative GS.
@Lavi-Aemilia-Astori
3 жыл бұрын
Good for you, I don't like GS
@omarshehab585
3 жыл бұрын
two words. exquisitely breathtaking.
@timecheckwatch-channel5421
3 жыл бұрын
That Credor looked like the texture of Jupiter's surface. Very nice dial detail.
@Mysteryboy0007
Жыл бұрын
Back of watch and movement insanely pretty. Front of watch and dial is insanely fugly,
@enriqueparedespinel1694
3 жыл бұрын
"An industry build on pride and ability" what a quote.
@KakashiHatake-ou7mp
3 жыл бұрын
Credor's dial reminds me of Jupiter's surface
@paintballplayer700
3 жыл бұрын
The Credor dial is beautiful but the movement is obviously mostly machine-finished, it doesn't hold up under macro the way the Lange does.
@birdytiger
3 жыл бұрын
Ok, credor. Ok. That's a pretty solid flex.
@ZachBie
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. That is an amazing Credor. I think that we could have chosen one with a little less unique of a dial to make a better comparison though.
@wolvy1
3 жыл бұрын
As always, a very interesting video on the artistry of timepieces. Just a bit of FYI regarding the Credor and the dial technique. It's pronounced Mo - ku - meh and it translates to "wood grain", which is the pattern made by the folding over of the metals as in the folds of a Japanese sword. This would have been a more accurate example given the context, rather than Damascus. Gane refers to the gold of the dial. So...
@dimman77
3 жыл бұрын
Mokume isn't made by folding. It's a single layered billet of individual sheets that is fired while wrapped in wire for tension to a temperature that the metals start to 'sweat' and diffusion bond. The billet is then removed from heat and struck with a hammer to complete the bond. Then it's cooled and treated like a single block of metal. Forged, rolled, etc... Textured unevenly it is then filed flat to create the pattern.
@theonlyredspecial
3 жыл бұрын
Watchfinder surely do love a Lange.
@stevenc7877
Жыл бұрын
the Credor design is soo frickin interesting
@joseperez6613
3 жыл бұрын
That Credor is simply amazing.
@rajgill7576
3 жыл бұрын
Mokume Gane, wood grain metal. I love it cant believe they havent made a watch with this type of face before
@ralph332
2 жыл бұрын
Love my Grand Seikos and Sinns.
@marsrocket
2 жыл бұрын
Credor missed the opportunity to make the rear case threads so that the screws lined up in a circular pattern, like the Royal Oak front bolts.
@JapanJacques
3 жыл бұрын
Credor confuses me. I live in Japan, so I’ve been to many Grand Seiko boutiques or vendors, and often they will have a small selection of Credor watches on display as well. But there is an absolutely massive variation in the prices. Credor seems to still be putting out a lot of cheaper pieces in addition to their ridiculous grail watches. Does this not water down the so-called Formula 1 team of Seiko?
@NuryPPanaligan
3 жыл бұрын
Grand Seiko is the Formula 1 of Seiko. Credor is just...weird.
@jakekaywell5972
3 жыл бұрын
@@NuryPPanaligan Well, a bit of weirdness has never done anyone any harm. The Japanese are doing loads right in watchmaking for me as of late.
@rashakor
2 жыл бұрын
Japanese firms are rarely known for their marketing chops.
@Apis4
2 жыл бұрын
I would not call anything they sell 'Cheap' they do indeed have watches, when translated from YEN, to USD or my local AUD, start at around the 10k-ish range... maybe a little less, and the very cheapest I have seen have been around Omega prices. However, they also have watches which go well over 100K, and indeed, the most expensive, bespoke, limited edition, hand crafted master work pieces seem to be up around 500K+. But this is NOT so unusual. It is about function, form, and finish. Those Omega priced pieces, have nice movement, and case, finishing, but they are not the most exquisite movements, with the most insanely detailed finishing, nor have any complications, or exceptionally intricate to make dials..... they are about Omega price, because they are about Omega quality, what makes them special, is Japanese precision, even the standard movements inside them, will out do the Coaxials of Omega, for precision. THAT is ALL Credor wants to show they can do with THOSE entry level pieces. The Rolex through JLC priced pieces though, now we are looking at artisan levels of finishing; enameled dials, perfectly pearled plates and waved bridges, polished to perfection, the movements themselves more complicated and even better, noble metal cases and indexes, etc etc. Again, these are watches which are on the next level, but also designed to simply show Credor can out Rolex the legendary Rolex. It is only when you get to their watches which begin at like 50K and go up to 500k do we see them go full next level Horological Virtuososity. That's when they decide they are going to obliterate the Trinity, or the Breguets or Blancpains of the industry. Everything is perfect, the most complex movements, and amazing dials, fit and finishing to rival some great Renaissance Master's greatest Art, or no dials at all, with hand forged everything, skeletonized and engraved, inlaid, and etched so perfectly it looks like it was done by a computer. But you know what? The most famous watchmaker in the world, the icon, I say inarguably, Rolex.... they do the same. They sell you a simple, but masterfully made, fitted and finished watch, in simple steel, call it an Oyster Perpetual, not even a date window or eye on the crystal, for about 7k.... but once they like you, know you like their watches, have given you Rolex fever, and seen you now own a Daytona, three Submariners, Skydweller, AirKing and couple of GMTs, they will also let you see their off catalogue... where they make watches that cost most than AP or PP offerings, with insane artistic jeweling, crazy levels of material finishing, and exquisite craftsmanship. Their Rainbows and Tutti Frutti's and such, watches which can reach up to a 350k price tag. Credor does this for the same reason Rolex does it. Kind of. The greater world, outside of Horological fandom, knows Rolex, consider them a luxury watch... but do not know how luxurious.... and luxuriously priced, watches can get. So Rolex making watches from 6k to 60k is where the lay person sees it all being at. They have no idea you can go blow 300k on a AP or PP or VC, on a Breguet or Bovet or such things. When they DO, particularly when those who CAN afford to spend crazy money on a watch, learn that reality... Rolex want to be able to already have established a relationship with them. Want them to know and love their Rolex. Because if those people then want to go and drop 150k on a watch.. Rolex wants to be, well, a Rolex, obviously. With Credor, it is even more acute. Even half the horological fandom, is possibly not really fully aware of Credor as a brand. Outside watch fan circles, who the f*ck has ever heard of them out side of Japan? You know what I mean? So when someone walks in to GS boutique, looking for a bargain, looking for a watch that is better than an Omega, or Breitling or Heuer, with Rolex or JLC levels of watch, for less money.... they might be tempted with Credor which fits that brief. The sales people might be able to convince them, with a little history, and some examples of the marques pedigree, to give that a try instead of a simple Grand Seiko. THEY MUST, this is what they NEED to do, for the wealthy customers seeking to buy a nice watch, who might be able to spend 100k instead of 10k next time they buy a watch. Because no one who does not know Horological history intimately, is going to walk in to a Seiko Boutique, or Credor booth and drop 200k on something called a Credor they've never freaking heard of, when they can buy that awesome two tone gold Rolex with diamond indexes, in the shop over the road for half the price, and know it is a ROLEX...something they DEFINITELY HAVE heard of. So, if Credor can get on the wrists of people at Omega money, create a relationship with those people... they are likely to buy more Credor, and if that executive in middle management happens to tell his boss, when she mentions how nice his watch is, well perhaps she will go buy one... and next time he buys ones, he can spend 20k not 7k, and when SHE next buys one, well she can spend 120K....and now, just maybe, they'll both spend that with Credor. Hence, the huge variance in price. They make the cheap... well relative to their expensive pieces...watches, to be worth the risk for someone looking for sleeper bargain, for the millions of people who can afford an Omega, or entry level Rolex, because this grows their repute, and spreads the word of their bona fides horological, so they have much better chance of selling those insane, crazily expensive, maestro pieces, which for they, is much harder to do, than say for Audemars Piguet or Patek Phillipe.
@tarquesh
3 жыл бұрын
Funny to watch this video me as a Swiss watch fanatic. But if you do not mind where a good watch comes from, it is worth to want a Credor. Frédéric Constant made a marvelous watch, and it is cheaper than a Credor and an independent.
@cestusfr
3 жыл бұрын
Today i discovered Kikuchi Nakagawa. their ichimonji is a beautiful timepiece!
@dimman77
3 жыл бұрын
The polishing they do is absolutely incredible!
@RobertOrtiz1015
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content like always! Bravo!
@adityasambhare
3 жыл бұрын
The Swiss haven't dominated watchmaking for centuries, they have done so for a century.
@jamo3976
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I was under the same impression
@Ozmeister666
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe if you consider the very niche segment of hardcore watchnerds. 99.999% of all people would rather have a Rolex over a Grand Seiko and a Patek over a A.Lange. That's why swiss is still king.
@jakekaywell5972
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ozmeister666 Yeah, and those people are still the ones losing out in this situation.
@sebby911
Жыл бұрын
Great video as always!! Fruit for thought... If you take a step back and look at the famous watchmaker's in the past and the present, the founder's of famous ''Swiss'' brands and today's ''independant'' watchmakers... There isn't many Swiss! (Except for a few like Philippe Dufour, David Candaux, Andreas Strehler or Antoine Preziuso...) Hans Wilsdorf founded Rolex in London, he was an Englishman of German origin... Patek was Polish and Philippe was French... Breguet was part French and founded his company in Paris... IWC was founded by F.A Jones, who was American... Jaeger was also French... Etc...etc... Basically, today as yesterday, Switzerland is stable place to be! I'm a huge fan of Seiko so I can't say much here other than they are amazing in every price range! The day they open a flagship store in Geneva, I'll quite whatever I'm doing and work for them with pleasure! Lange is probably one of the best brands money can buy at the moment however, bare in mind that it is owned by Richemont (just as you guys!) and the only reason why things are going nicely for them is because they are far from Geneva! Know what I mean? 😅
@torebelthoft4471
3 жыл бұрын
I`m not so sure, the swiss have the overwhelming amount of high quality brands. It take more than one german and one japanese brand to compete with the swiss
@bighands69
3 жыл бұрын
The irony is that the German brand is owned by Richemont.
@timothyfunk1883
Жыл бұрын
I'd be really interested to see Andrew do more videos about Credor! Vintage Credor watches can be obtained for relatively little money, but I really haven't got a clue on their quality. Anyone have some input on this?
@MSDHighlights
3 жыл бұрын
WATCH HUNTING ADVICE NEEDED: looking for numbered dial watches similar to the longines hertiage miltary L2.819.4.93.2 or the oris 1917. I'm a big fan of simple vintage style watches, any help is greatly appreciated
@patrickjean-philippe7679
2 жыл бұрын
Wow ! Amazing watches and amazing videos _ I would say the best watches videos on the net.
@wataki_watcheswatakiwatche3160
3 жыл бұрын
One of your best vids. That macro was insane
@josephj6521
3 жыл бұрын
One day, I hope, I will own an ALS watch. I will need to bypass the dept of finance.
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