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@McFlysGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Chris Salomone Would be cool if you did a project using the job site saw. I’ve got limited storage space in my two car garage and the job site saw is what I’m probably aiming for to work with my track saw
@julliangordon2228
3 жыл бұрын
Lovely Video! Sorry for the intrusion, I would love your opinion. Have you thought about - Schallingora Dexterous Programme Scheme (google it)? It is a great one off product for building any shed in no time with no experience without the normal expense. Ive heard some interesting things about it and my cousin at last got amazing results with it.
@rannellconesco1754
3 жыл бұрын
Nice Video clip! Apologies for butting in, I would appreciate your opinion. Have you thought about - Schallingora Dexterous Programme Scheme (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now)? It is a good one of a kind product for building any shed in no time with no experience minus the normal expense. Ive heard some awesome things about it and my best friend Jordan after many years got excellent success with it.
@drcustomizer
3 жыл бұрын
Hey dude I'm a novice I want a tool that can do both mitre cuts and long cuts, mostly for skirting and building made to measure wardrobes, what do you recommend? circle saw, table saw, track saw or a mitre saw. currently, I own non of these and would like to get a beginner level powertool that will last me a good couple of years with high quality without breaking the bank
@АндрійРоманович-й6т
Жыл бұрын
Assembly instructions were a little unclear for a couple of items. It works great kzitem.infoUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh though, easy to set up and use. If the instructions were better I would have given it 5 stars.
@judycasey1147
4 жыл бұрын
You just come off as deeply knowledgeable and honest and that’s what I am looking for. Thanks
@yfz450rider39
5 жыл бұрын
I used to rip 4x8 sheets on the table saw all day at one of my past jobs. Was very very challenging at first, but quickly learned how to do it safely and fast. But you need quite a big table saw with an outfeed table!
@ssmith954
4 жыл бұрын
This was really useful -- I was looking at getting a table saw plus a circular saw, but have limited space. Your video helped me realize I can do virtually everything I need to do with a track saw and a good set of guide rails, albeit a bit slower and with more fiddling around with clamps. Thanks!
@jeffwilder7117
2 жыл бұрын
FYI. There is actually a video from Brian on The Woodsmith Shop who says he just may prefer to not have a table saw in his shop and do everything with a track saw and router and miter saw. You might want to check it out. Kinda makes sense.
@matthewhuston1188
4 жыл бұрын
Brother this is exactly the video I wanted to see. Nobody else has compared these options in this detail nor this fairly. Great advice. Thank you!
@24revealer
4 жыл бұрын
As a professional carpenter I would get a Makita tracksaw and a 14/12 Laguna bandsaw from the start. From there if you have the space you could acquire a good used cabinet saw and a circular saw of some sort. Either a professional Dewalt DW364K or a brushless 7 1/2". I like the Makita 18V system as it makes the most sense to me financially. I love the DW364K for framing roofs. With the track saw I would make a take down 5x9 foot table out of 3 pieces of plywood using the UJK Parf Guide System. This would allow you to break down large sheet easily and very accurately. You would also want to join the Festool Owners Group Forum to keep up to date with the latest 20mm accessories. That's just my experience though. Some like the latest and greatest toys and like to spend money on neat gadgets. I wish I had a track saw 25 years ago as it has changed the way I work and it allows a very high degree of precision with less setup than a straight edge. This is another great option for those who like to build:benchworks.be/en/projects/mf-tc-multifunction-tool-cart/
@christinedaleyrealtor6628
4 жыл бұрын
So glad I found this video! I bought an old Craftsman belt drive table saw for $150. I love that it's much quieter than my first no-name brand from Lowe's but it's also missing the riving knife and safety items. It's also a huge piece of equipment that has a rail on the front that takes 3-4 inches of reach away from me. I'm only 5'3" so I built a platform so I had more downward pressure and easier to reach a little further past the blade. I think after having watched this so perfectly informative video, I'm going to get the project table so I can free up some space in my basement shop and hopefully find it much more manageable for me to work and feel safer when using it. I find my current table saw limits what I'll try because while I do work as safely as possible, I am very apprehensive to rip a 2x4, nevermind anything thicker than that. Anyway, I said way too much but I found your video to be helpful and was exactly what I needed to see right now.
@markt2831
4 жыл бұрын
I went through exactly this thought process. My requirements as a competent DIYer were: - Reasonably priced - Consistent accurate square cuts - Safe (as I'm pretty clumsy..) - foldaway/putaway as I only have a small area in garage to work (not a dedicated shop) Already had a circular saw and had made a track/jig but just could not get the required accuracy. Table saw I ruled out for reasons of safety, space and also ability to cut large sheet material. Ended up with a budget track saw (Titan) plus MFT table top (generic 3rd party) on some trestles and alu bench dogs from Benchdogs UK plus guide rail from Ooznest. I'm really happy with this combo and wish I'd found it years ago. Next upgrade would be to buy a longer track (Makita) as mine are 2 x 600mm which join together.
@nishanksp9
3 жыл бұрын
The info was very relevant and helpful. The only thing I'd say as a newbie is that at the beginning, I had a really bad accuracy with the cuts. So i got a jobsite table saw which I'd say really helped me keep going on without getting discouraged. For me a circular saw with a guide and a jobsite table saw has been working great as I'm short of space 😀
@Dysiode
Жыл бұрын
I had just put in an order for a Bosch cordless tracksaw on Amazon and decided to look around for a few more opinions and KZitem helpfully threw this video up! I'd watched it when it first came out but forget it all. I'm -really- glad you mentioned that the ACS tracksaw is $400 (STILL IS. That ALONE is a major point in favor of Kreg) because I'd looked at the ACS and $1000 for the whole set is a bit much to swing (I don't really have room for it anyway) but realize that I could upgrade and that it's so flexible was a no brainer. I used your bitly link, hope it gets back to you :)
@rla1000
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent overview, and a lot of this especially raises good points for newer woodworkers. Good job. Obviously some decisions simply fall out of the answer to the question, "what are you going to be doing" with your saw. I think - unintentionally on the author's part - there may be some bias toward the use/need to rip a lot of sheet goods, thus there seems to be a lean toward the track saws. In my experience, there is nothing so basic, with considerable versatility, as a circular saw for cutting wood; it's not an either/or decision among a circular, track, or table saw. To me, a track saw setup is the most specific/dedicated tool in the bunch. If doing long cuts and rips comprises most of your woodworking life, a track saw makes a lot of sense. But it is clearly the least adaptable to other uses - after all, using the "track" for rips is what you do with a track saw. But that is easily accomplished with a circular saw, straight edge, and a couple clamps, and the only real cost is the circular saw. Where the finish of the material you are cutting is of no concern, simple screw the straight edge onto the material you are cutting. I've done probably hundreds of straight-edge rips of long boards and sheet goods with my circular saw when I didn't have access to my table saw (or didn't own one!), or for cutting material down to more manageable size prior to final dimensioning on my table saw. But long before I could afford or had a proper space for a table saw, I was doing fine cutting with a circular saw. And for crosscuts, I would find a track saw cumbersome and a hindrance. Better to hone one's skill with a circular saw which has tremendous versatility and portability for all sorts of applications. Clearly, nothing beats a table saw's versatility, adaptability, repeatability, or accuracy, especially when one begins to adapt various jigs and accessories, homemade or bought, and really think outside the box. But - and cost and space considerations aside - I still wouldn't recommend a table saw for a "first tool," certainly not out of the three discussed here. Go with a good quality circular saw, and gain experience and develop skill with it. Also, unless you operate in a jungle most of the time without access to AC power, I wouldn't consider a cordless saw. Batteries have to be charged sooner or later, they add weight to the tool, eventually they die and are expensive to replace, and at some point the manufacturer stops making the batteries and the tool is worthless. I've have two corded Bosch circular saws that I've had forever and still run like new. Over a longer period, I had two cordless drills that worked just fine, but had to be scrapped just because batteries were no longer available for them at any price.
@Huey52123
4 жыл бұрын
I have many Makita 18V tools and therefore standardized on same. But I agree that some of the cheaper brands vanish and with them the batteries.
@rla1000
4 жыл бұрын
@@Huey52123 Wasn't referring to cheap brands
@brenttaylor4785
4 жыл бұрын
If you place your mitre gage ahead a large panel, you can increase your size and safety.
@travisvinson6917
4 жыл бұрын
Listen brother, don't apologize for your success. It proves your worth. its not entitlement. its obvious you work hard, you are skilled. an old engineer adage, "2 is 1, and 1 is none". back ups are important especially with your source of living. Great info. You actually gave a great perspective. thank you for helping me decide.
@angelramosexperience8698
3 жыл бұрын
All those wood cuts you made in this video are worth millions of dollars now
@tellthemborissentyou
5 жыл бұрын
I am waiting for Kreg to do a 230V version of their saw. Festool do but it is very expensive.
@dabj9546
4 жыл бұрын
15:51 Anything Looks like a pretty good deal compared to a festool...
@CatCityDesign
5 жыл бұрын
I have the sawstop jss and the Festool track saw. I think it’s a great combo. I like being able to wheel the JSS out of the garage for tall cuts. Like doing the < 45• cuts on a vertical jig (Bad Larry). And any width limitations I have on the JSS vs a full cabinet saw - the track saw handles nicely.
@joemartin6439
3 жыл бұрын
I make shelves, boxes and frame small sheds .my need has been my worn drive circular saw by Skill now 20 years old , and my new Skill worn drive potable table saw . I have a compound chop saw. My wish is to get a ban saw some day. My view is I can cut straight and fast with my skill saw in construction work. Learn all the tips a tricks of your tools and one will measure twice and cut once. Retired after framing homes for 28 years. I may have had 26 portable table saw but Skill even today has more power and balls than the rest of the construction portable saws . And it is more accurate with a worn drive . thank you for a great video
@alfiecrous7648
4 жыл бұрын
Video is very useful thank you. I use a track saw and a Bosch Table saw. I am saving up for a decend cabinet saw.
@gregwoodruff
3 жыл бұрын
People always say Festool is a "system" - which is obnoxious, but true in this way. An isolated piece of Festool doesn't shine for the cost. Where it shines is when you have a little space and it's all going away neatly, and the sandpaper fits in a case under the sander, etc. This seems minor and the first think you think of is "why would I pay $100 for a sandpaper case." But as the multiple tools you need to do a job quickly start multiply storage and being able to find what you need fast becomes a bigger issue. If you do something like get a Festool dust extractor, sander and the Festool sand paper, you really go - wow this all working and solving my problems. Chris is right though, if all you are getting is a saw and a track to use on a couple of projects the Festool does little for you.
@steffenwerner1721
5 жыл бұрын
I have a 5 hp cabinet saw, job site saw, and track saw... I use all three but mostly the cabinet saw and track saw. I use the track saw to break larger material down to size and then cut on the cabinet saw. Even though I have a 50” fence capacity I rarely use it.
@DavidR8
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris, really appreciate your perspectives on this subject. I have a Unisaw and a circular saw and just splurged on a Makita track saw because I need an accurate and quick way to break down sheet goods. Wrestling a 55# sheet of 3/4" ply onto the Unisaw doesn't feel safe to me so the Makita will be my saw of choice for that task.
@richtraube2241
3 жыл бұрын
Haven't even finished watching and know that I'll be referring back a bunch of times. Thanks.
@premierpainting8921
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been debating on going with the Festool track saw or the Kreg (for the price). And I think this video just made my mind up for me. I use a lot of Kreg accessories and they are great, I was just worried about how a power tool would perform.
@WaylandsWorld
3 жыл бұрын
Did you end up getting the Kreg? How are you liking it?
@philipem1000
4 жыл бұрын
Just saying thanks your analysis was very helpful and let me know what I should get for what I am trying to do. I have one project to do, and not much space.I'm going to have to rip a few 4x8 sheets into 2 x8 sheets and a couple more as 1 ft/ 3 ft sections...and I have a circular saw; so the Kreg Guide was clearly the right and by far the cheapest solution. And if I end up doing more, well you've given me food for thought.
@tmhudg
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I think that you could have elaborated more on is the difference in safety between the different types. I've had my table saw for a number of years and I still have all my fingers but man, so many stories of experienced woodworkers getting cut... So, I decided to buy the ACS. I don't know exactly how much safer it is than a TS (and probably even less "more safe" than a Saw Stop) but it's one of the reasons I decided to try the ACS. Thanks for the video - really well done.
@minnmusic
3 жыл бұрын
i really liked this video and ended up ordering a Kreg ACS partially because of it, but i just figured out that you are possibly sponsored by Kreg. A little disappointed that you don't make your product sponsorships a little more clear like a lot of other channels do.
@gregghernandez2714
4 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks. I agree with you, since you do this for a living, it makes sense to buy the absolute best tools that you can. You need to be able to keep working and not worry about having tools break down, or get out of alignment. You want to make products (and I am sure you do) that are beautiful and sturdy and makes your customers not only happy but makes them want to come back for more. I am a DIYer so I recently bought the RIDGID contractor grade saw. It should suit my purposes just fine. If I get really serious and actually start making money with my hobby, well then that KREG adaptive cutting system seems like a great deal at under a grand. Thanks again for this video.
@cdmurray88
5 жыл бұрын
17:53 don't feel entitled, this is your career. I'm a cook by trade, I'm not apologetic about my multitude of knives or stones, or the decade it's taken me to decide which work best for me. I've probably bought about 20 knives in my career, but only carry 6 with me. Took a long time to learn what worked for how I work.
@thezfunk
5 жыл бұрын
I agree but I am glad he understands how the layman could be viewing this. I get frusterated with youtubers who start out small and simple and are doing projects I can replicate who then build a great channel and forget their roots. They get sponsors and money and next thing you know, they have a waterjet and are doing things I am completely not equiped to do. I lose interest in their channel and stop watching. I get it, they have always dreamed of having that expensive equipment and are super excited to use it and I would be too! Just don't lose what got you to where you are. I guess that goes for anyone who is successful in anything.
@jensedelmann7004
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris, great review. There is one point you should add: Especially for people that have a small wordshop. The dust collection of a tracksaw (Festool or Bosch) is way better than on a Job site tabelsaw, a cicular saw or a chinese tracksaw. I have a small workshop and use a Festool tracksaw. I did build a ACS/MFT-style-table myself. I did not regret it. I although have a Chinese Tracksaw for deeper 70mm cuts, the dust collection is not very good… Best regards from Germany
@lifeanywhere
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah Chris is right on this one. If you have the money for a cabinet saw then just buy one. I know a lot of people think, “well if I only spend this much on a table saw then I’ll have money for this other tool”. No, just buy the cabinet saw. Larger, more capacity, it’s heavier, more powerful (most times) and is a better investment in my opinion
@gandjboyd7872
2 жыл бұрын
Very cool video . The ACS from Kreg is very interesting
@TheImageThief
4 жыл бұрын
If you breakdown a bunch of plywood for cabinet carcasses my Milwaukee panel saw is absolutely my favorite tool. Get close on the Panelsaw and dial in exact dimensions on the tablesaw...
@brentfowler2317
4 жыл бұрын
I have a Milwaukee circular saw. And it's a great saw. However I can't wait to finish the restore on my Delta Milwaukee 1949 table saw. It's all cast iron. And it's a nice old say.
@smurftastic3928
4 жыл бұрын
Chris, you can't have to many saw. I got a Makita and a Festool plunge saw I can't live without both of them.
@TheRaball
3 жыл бұрын
Very informative!! Makes me think of diffrent solutions!
@bricofast
4 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks for the video 👌👌👌 a hug here from Portugal 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
@DasShaten
4 жыл бұрын
Really I think you can also throw in a Radial arm saw and a sliding double beveled miter saw. while they have shorter cut depths one can also handle a dado stack and they both make short work of angle cuts and just under 20" cuts.
@twandragline
5 жыл бұрын
This was a great video! Thanks for taking the time to break it all down.
@JamieKhau
5 жыл бұрын
I am not sure if it was Kreg's intention or if it is just the fact that most tracks incorporate a t-track, but the Makita, Festool, or Triton track do fit the ACS brackets
@howimade3309
5 жыл бұрын
i need them all! each serves their own purpose
@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel
5 жыл бұрын
Or get a good quality radial arm saw. I just picked up a 1958 Dewalt GWI 1.5 hp saw with a 10" blade for $100. I need to make a "Mr Sawdust" table for it. Cost less than half of the cheapest saw used and I can do every cut all the saws do with less setup time including dados.
@s4nari
4 жыл бұрын
Down to earth and well reasoned. Thanks for the quality content sir.
@No-mad.
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, very much appreciated great job, lots of great info 👍
@richards6845
4 жыл бұрын
Most woodworking machinery for the home is poorly designed and badly made. I am sorry to say that but it is true. The good quality track saws (Makita, Festool, DeWalt, Bosch, Mafell etc.) are the notable exception. Unless you are spending a substantial amount of money, these are quite simply the best engineered woodworking kit for any purpose that you can buy. They have nearly no practical size limit on sheet material yet cut more delicately than any other saw. For this balance of precision, capacity and size they are a joy to use and a game-changer. They are the sort of tool you could still own and use if you lived in an apartment and yet you can can rip 8x4 sheets with them while getting the best finish I have ever seen from any saw. My recommendation is that you buy the cordless models because they let you work faster. Attaching them to a good portable dust extractor is a must but can be really effective.
@andrewwebb3081
3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation of all the options, not bratty at all ;)
@NicksStuff
Жыл бұрын
The advantage of a track saw is that you can still use it without a track
@adanminaya2726
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris, how clean of an edge does the plunge saw leave on a piece of wood? Would you say it's as clean as it would be if you ran the wood through a table saw? Is it possible to use the ACS to cut pieces to their final length or would the table saw still be the perfect tool for that?
@JBLewis
5 жыл бұрын
I have the JCS, I only have room for the JCS, I only have 110v power in my shop area, and while it clearly has limitations compared to the cabinet saw, it's still a very capable tool!
@jordannoll6830
3 жыл бұрын
Nice job on your video. Nice tools too! I thought you were going to jump into the trash can, but leapt right over it. Ha.
@jdosses
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm starting and I really needed this information.
@GaryMcKinnonUFO
4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thanks.
@Nehbur
4 жыл бұрын
These woodpecker squares cost a freaking fortune! 350 euro's (400 dollars) for the 18" one in Holland.
@justaddguitar
5 жыл бұрын
Very informative and visual! Thanx! I would add, I started with circular, than made track for it and it gives me almost every option in cutting except speed and conveniency. So next I’ll buy jobsite table saw!
@teopapadopol5034
2 жыл бұрын
I have a radial arm saw and a hand held circular saw, for the moment I am ok :)
@Hadoouken
4 жыл бұрын
Wow! Great job on this video, it was incredibly helpful.
@davefink2326
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent content, with TV-quality shots and editing. SUBSCRIBED!
@alanhill6974
4 жыл бұрын
Another great video Chris, being based in the UK, some of the options available in the US make me weep a little (although there's still the issue of not being able to afford most of it). I came across this video at a good point, where I'm really struggling to decide to shell out for a table saw (it would be a job-site one due to budget and space constraints). I'm wondering now if a newer circular saw (I have one already) and series of jigs might be a good starting point.
@nathangonzlaez2
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video , thanks for the research .
@xaviergilbert1807
4 жыл бұрын
hi , what kind of saw blade may be the best for circular saw to make cabinet ( minimise chippin) ? maybe 100 tooth and more carbure blade?
@georgebrill3072
4 жыл бұрын
Chris, good video, thanks. What about jigs for the ACS system. I'd like to cut small segments for segmented bowls but I'm space constrainted.
@waynethomas9957
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I really appreciate the video
@MrJKellerLewis
5 жыл бұрын
I love your content and your videos and this was a really good one I've been going back and forth over whether or not I'm going to get a track saw the ACS now I'm thinking that I should just hold off and get one when I can afford to another project calls for it. Also if anyone thinks that Chris is being boastful or a bragger than obviously have not watched his channel because Chris is always humble and appreciative to the max
@TheWeazel01
4 жыл бұрын
Did you use the fence on your table saw when doing cross cuts? I thought you aren't supposed to do that cause it could cause kickback...Or doesn't that apply to plywood?
@michaelsteelepix
4 жыл бұрын
Great job
@nickbianchi
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris. I’m a little confused about the Kreg system. Apart from its foldability, there’s nothing really special about it, nothing revolutionary. All DIY woodworkers I know, including me, fabricated a reliable and easy "length stop" system.
@zachholladay8112
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I bought a delta 36 5000 model and the motor jammed up after a month of use. They don’t have another one in stock where I bought it so are trying to replace it with a JET 72500 model. Anyone have experience with one vs the other or comparable recommendations? Thanks
@bushman4124
4 жыл бұрын
OMG, the woodpeckers tools look nice and for sure work as they should but the prices are out of the sky. for a set of those square i can buy almost a bosch or a dewald proline contractor sawtable and that for just a piece of milled aluminium with a nice coating. if i buy the material i can make it for a fraction of the price with just a good set of files , metal saw blade for my bandsaw a router, or just my files and a hour of sweat, almost 500 usd is way to much and i live in one of the most expensive countries in the world, but i still would not pay that. sawstop are beautiful saws, i needed one a couple of years ago ( to late now lol) but they are not allowed in europe, those kreg and they other one are nice but out of their minds with their prices too. for beginners or even advanced or pro who just start up their shop, buy second hand, you can get good deals on the marked sometimes for a fraction of the new price, yes you might have to do a bit work change out a baring or two and yes they not shiny, but they as good as they come. and precise. Yes you are a fortuned man to own all that, but you probably worked hard for it to get where you are, or had good sponsors. but to get those you must be good. i agree with your statements, just to build up your tools, step by step and when you need it. but don't fall for the top brands to start with yes they are good but also you pay gold for them. and if you don't make a return on them , you can do nicely with cheaper brands make your own jigs or buy used or refurbished. that all said thanks for the nice video, it had good information, and you showed some gadgets i never saw before, but hey i live in the mountains of Norway so ... that explains that lol, looking forward to your next video. Please don't be offended, because that was not the point.
@nathanjenkins9118
4 жыл бұрын
Hey I’m wondering if someone could help me out with this question. I’m debating between two job site table saws for a more or less budget friendly entry level saw I could have room to grow. I would prefer a track saw for full sheets of plywood, but don’t have the setup for full sheets of plywood, and prices are around $700 in Canada where I’m looking. I understand a job site table saw isn’t going to be the best, but I’d like to try making something work. The two saws are the Ridgid R4514 (CAD $597 on sale for $397) or the Skilsaw SPT70WT-22 (CAD $448). I would like to have the option of utilizing a Dado blade. Unfortunately I couldn’t find any reviews really comparing the two, nor find much on the exact models (I could find R4512 and R4513, but not R4514. Same with skilsaw, I could find SPT70WT-01). What do you think my best bet is? I’ve been leaning towards R4514 because of the sale price (and it comes with a stand)
@LuisGarcia-bs5sm
5 жыл бұрын
That jump was lit!
@ashleyhouse9690
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting that you had the Festool track saw yet went for the Kreg ACS table/saw combo instead of just getting the Festool MFT. I appreciate that you may have had particular reasons but you also advise going for quality and the Festool MFT is way above the Kreg plastic ACS. I think you could have at least have mentioned the Festool MFT as an option especially as you already have the saw and demo'ed it. Personally, if I had the Festool track saw and wanted a table system then the Festool MFT would be a no-brainer.
@JonathanShook
3 жыл бұрын
I had the same reaction. The video came across to me as a Kreg ACS advertisement, primarily because the MFT was not mentioned.
@perryvath7617
4 жыл бұрын
excellent video
@jonlast88
4 жыл бұрын
Very informative video! Do you recommend circ saws or track saws for bevels? I've been looking at building the plywood coffee table you made for the rockler challenge but I only have a small jobsite table saw I inherited, or a circular saw. Any suggestions?
@charlemarcharlemar2401
2 жыл бұрын
... finally I found that Kreg is a USA company !!!!!!!! .........I will now by all they have I need. I was willing to buy Mafell or Festool or even Bosch because they are NOT Chinese, but an actual product made in USA......THAT is what you should do a video on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@AaronGeller
2 жыл бұрын
!!!!!!
@GregsWorkshopOregon
2 жыл бұрын
I've had circular saws and smaller table saws for years and I just picked up the Kreg track saw a couple weeks ago. I think the track saw is best for breaking down sheet goods while the table saw is best for smaller cuts (I have a jobsite saw due to space requirements). You can do a lot of jobs with each tool, but having each available to use for its intended purpose speeds everything up.
@wurclav1
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a track saw. Sold a problem table saw. Wrong idea. No more festool hype for me.
@mikegrant8031
4 жыл бұрын
Panel saw trumps all of them
@yohatch
Жыл бұрын
Sliding table saw.
@ModernBuilds
5 жыл бұрын
Wow... so this is the new baseline for a thoroughly explained video 🤯🤯. You killed it!
@Foureyes.Furniture
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Appreciate all the ideas you gave me as I went into filming it :)
@alexmarod6438
Жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@michaelvasily-cioffi4964
4 жыл бұрын
I'm new to the hobby and this is definitely one of the best videos I've watched so far. I wish I came across it first. You didn't come off as arrogant or entitled at all. It was very helpful and informative :-)
@ikeasnilleswivelchair29
5 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t find the link in the description for scrap pieces of plywood.
@Foureyes.Furniture
5 жыл бұрын
:)
@AnthonyBowman
5 жыл бұрын
Comment of the day.
@jayeckhart1561
5 жыл бұрын
Just come by my place, I have plenty of scraps.
@pdjkmiller5684
4 жыл бұрын
LOL... I seriously would like a video on clever ideas for managing and storing scrap wood.
@jamesbarros950
3 жыл бұрын
You come off as the exact opposite of an entitled brat. You've worked hard. You create AMAZING work, and you invest in your tools. You come off as someone who is grateful for what you have, proud of what you've achieved, and enthusiastic about helping others. Thank you so much for sharing, and helping people like me discover woodworking. =)
@motolifejd7329
4 жыл бұрын
Besides the fact that you've explained the technical cons and pros of the tools, how they are used and applied, I liked how you expressed that not everyone can or should own excessive amount of tools, at least more than what we need. Of course, like all hobbies, we dream of having everything, but in reality, you have to be practical. I'm an aspiring woodworker in the Philippines and powertools are quite expensive here. But your channel has encouraged me to invest on a Bosch 10J Table Saw (the best and affordable table saw available here). It was almost a year long decision making for me. Thank you Chris and keep it up. :)
@CraigularjJoeWoodworks
2 жыл бұрын
Good luck dinno
@naphackDT
4 жыл бұрын
The most important thing to keep in mind is that there are diminishing returns on both tool use and utility. Yes, you can get 20 different tools, but then you will only use every tool 1/20th of the time at best, making it harder to justify the investment in additional tools. That's the tool use part of the equation. Then there is utility: Even with a very basic tool setup, you will quickly approach the point where any function you could conceivably want your tools to perform can be done to some capacity, and purchasing additional tools won't give you any more utility, it will only allow you to be more efficient at doing the things you can already do. Yes, having to jump through hoops to do a certain thing might be annoying at times, but if you are only ever gonna do that thing once per month, maybe you are better off just improvising with the tools you have whenever the task comes up. Of course, for a professional woodworker, you want every single task to be precise, quick, and repeatable, and that's where a wide suite of diverse tools comes in.
@BradsWorkbench
5 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the ending because sometimes i think people get caught up thinking they HAVE to have tool X to do a project. But the amazing thing about this craft is there is ALWAYS another way. I always say to people getting started buy what you can afford then upgrade as you can. I appreciate you taking the time to show all the pros and cons of each system
@Kennykoo65
4 жыл бұрын
Been woodworking for over 25 yrs. This guy has the pros and cons down really well. Very good job.
@Spencer4686
5 жыл бұрын
All I have is a circular saw. And a nice straight piece of scrap metal. It's slow set up as mentioned in the video but hey don't we always measure twice and cut once. When I move to my new house though I will have more space and look at saving for a portable table saw just for speed and space. As I will still use the circular saw and straight edge for sheets of ply etc. For me no real need for a track saw as or a big cabinet table saw. (I mostly just make stuff for the house/garden) Btw Chris, don't worry you always come across very down to earth with your explanation you did good with your explanations. Keep it up.
@pjgppjgp
4 жыл бұрын
Spencer4686 I have a circular saw and a contractor table saw and I find it’s the cheapest and best combination
@ThekiBoran
4 жыл бұрын
When I was at that stage I didn't think to make spacer blocks for those repeat cuts. I just measured and made marks.
@strengthinnumbers110
2 жыл бұрын
Loved your video. I purchased the ACS, and have been using it for over a year now instead of a circular or table saw. A few factors I considered that weren't mentioned involved past experiences with the kick back from a table saw and my lack of physical strength. The ACS is so easy to use for precision cuts, easy to control for safety purposes, and takes little strength to use all day long. I can't believe how so far I've never even thought about needing the other two saws. Note, however, that I usually have Home Depot make at least one of my cuts in a sheet of plywood so I can get it home and easily use it in my ACS.
@DePeaceHunter
4 ай бұрын
What is ACS?
@Wordsnwood
5 жыл бұрын
start with a 2nd hand contractor-style table saw. Cheaper, holds value, so you can sell when you're ready to upgrade
@davehall3351
4 жыл бұрын
Make sure you know how to do maintenance prior to that. Be it true up a fence or blade, etc. Generally, you’re going to get something that was used n abused in this class.
@halodave
5 жыл бұрын
I built all of my home cabinets with a circular saw (borrowed) and a kreg track. Even made rabbets and dado cuts for the drawers so it can be done on a budget
@toddstrope157
5 жыл бұрын
I used to break down large sheets of plywood with a straight edge and circular saw, then finish cut on my table saw. With the acquisition of my (Makita) track saw, I finish cut directly with the track saw, high gain in efficiency. If you deal with a lot of sheet stock, a track saw should be your best friend, but beware of cut quality with the cheaper saws as I depend on the cut quality of my mid-cost track saw for a final splinter free cut on plywood. One thing you did not talk about is dust control, which can be excellent with a mid to high end track saw and dust collector. I am intrigued by the Kreg ACS, trying to decide if it would allow me to dispense with the table saw for cutting solid stock. But your discussion on size of the work piece versus the size of the tool confirms I should just keep using my table saw. Thanks for your video.
@Foureyes.Furniture
5 жыл бұрын
yeah, if you're doing something like ripping a bunch of thin strips, you can do it on the ACS...but I'd say table saw is the way to go for that.
@Justin-C
4 жыл бұрын
Bingo. The battery powered track saws (like the Makita XPS01, Festool TSC 55, etc) let you break down sheet goods with a finish cut wherever you are - be it in the parking lot at Home Depot, Lowe's, or Menards to fit it in your car, or at home because you don't want to try to manhandle a 4x8ft sheet of 3/4" MDF on a table saw. I just got a Makita XPS01 for the above reasons, and my table saw (dewalt 7491RS) is likely going to be relegated to dado work and high repetition cutting. I do plan on making a Festool MFT style worktop with dog holes for clamping & 90 degree crosscuts (some cabinet work in my future, and doing large crosscuts on a table saw - like Chris mentioned - can be a little dicey.
@timmietimmins3780
4 жыл бұрын
Why do you feel a good circular saw puts out lower quality cuts? do you think it's just the lack of a splinter guard? or is it something else? Is it the plunge mechanism? I have watched a few comparison videos now and I really wonder why the elephant in the room is not addressed. why not just buy a replacement splinter guard and put it on the bottom of a simple rip jig for a circular saw? you know, the one where you take a factory plywood edge, cut 2 inches off, glue that on the sheet back far enough that your saw will trim the edge when run along that factory edge "fence", do that, then just cut the entire thing free? What is it about a jig like that that makes it put out noticeably worse cut quality than a track saw? Just the lack of a professional splinter guard?
@toddstrope157
4 жыл бұрын
timmie, it’s experience mostly. I believe I was referring to cheap versus the more expensive track saws. You tuber Peter Millard, Ten Minute Workshop, did a series of experiments of cut quality versus saws/blades/splinter guards and if I remember, blades had the biggest effect. I did upgrade my circ saw with a better, higher tooth count, blade, still got splintering and a rough cut. I attributed the rough cut to the run out of the shaft of my circ saw. I was using a MLCS guide system to keep the cut straight, but no splinter guard to prevent splintering of the show layer. Perhaps a better circ saw would have improved the cut quality but my old Delta table saw with a zero clearance insert took care of that. Measuring where to clamp the rail was a bit of a hassle, but switching to a track saw took care of that hassle. When I bought my track saw, there were only three choices: DeWalt, Makita, and Festool. Makita was the most cost effective of the three @$400 as a show special and a risk bet for me. I was pleasantly surprised at the cut quality, equal if not better than my table saw, and the pure utility of it in breaking down sheet goods. I definitely won the risk bet, as the quality of the Makita saw came through, and I’ve continued to add to my investment with longer guide rails and various jigs. There are a lot more choices on the market now with the cost of entry much lower than when I took my risk bet, but I have heard of a lot of cut quality issues with some of the early cheap units even though the utility of the track saw is present.
@toddstrope157
3 жыл бұрын
Note, my track saw is corded, so uses the thicker blades. But that is a good observation that my track saw blades are superior to any 7-1/4” blades I ever owned, and comparable in quality to the Whiteside blades I use in my table saw. Some interesting points have been made by all the replies, things to give more thought.
@LeeroyReading
5 жыл бұрын
I have a job site saw as my workshop consists of two shipping containers so space is tight, but by getting the jessem clear stock guides it is a game changer in cut quality and consistency. They prevent kickback and pull the workpiece into the fence and I would highly recommend them to anyone with a job site style saw, or any tablesaw for that matter. Nice video Chris 🤙🏼
@jamesrobertson536
3 жыл бұрын
That is one of the best helpfull videos I've seen. I started as a cabinet maker 23yr ago and used some of the biggest tables saws to makes the smallest things and in construction ive use nothing more than a 165mm cordless saw and a 7 inch speed square to build boardwalks and veiwing platforms on bushwalks. This is so well explained most reps i deal with could learn from you.
@denoftools
4 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you use a miter saw for those crosscuts?
@whitedwarf12
4 жыл бұрын
Coming across this video was perfect timing for me. I had found the Kreg track saw stuff and was very seriously thinking about getting the track. You have helped me confirm that I am definitely gonna be going that route seeing as how I have a circular saw already, and I am just not in the market right now for some of the other options. Thanks for making such an informative video!
@alejandrocantu4652
5 жыл бұрын
I started woodworking is architecture school back in the 90's making scale models and furniture. The shop had a powermatic 66 table saw no riving knife. I use a shop made plywood track with skillsaw wormdrive as a track saw. I currently have an old bench top table saw. Don't get hung up on having the right tools or brand names. Use the tools you have and have fun making things.
@lostnapaperbag
3 жыл бұрын
For long plywood cuts, was surprised how much I used the Kreg Rip-Cut with my Craftman Circular saw. Fast setup and great repeatibility. Having a good blade on there really stepped it up as well. Video made me rethink whats best for my home projects. Thanks.
@0dtp1
4 жыл бұрын
I sold two table saws and bought the Kreg ACS Master System. The reasons I LOVE the Kreg ACS... 1) Safety. Woodworking is a hobby, guitar is my passion. I no longer live in mortal fear that I will lose a finger off my left hand. 2) Accurate, repeatable cuts done quickly. 3) Portability. Folds up against the wall when not in use. I am loving this system. Once you get some practice and figure it out you will be churning out quality work in no time.
@brucejohnson1264
4 жыл бұрын
I bought an ACS master system as well, but I would not sell my table saw. The table saw is more accurate and repeatable. If I had it to do again, I think I would just get the Kreg track saw and not the ACS. However, I can see if portability is important to you, the ACS may have some advantages.
@candiwinkler8243
4 жыл бұрын
How does the Kreg saw do with tear-out? I have been eyeing this setup for some time. I am a sign maker so I need to make repeatable cuts on plywood. I don't have room for table saw at the moment so looking at the ACS.
@Gecko2305
5 жыл бұрын
One of the best things I purchased, was a sawguide for a japanese handsaw. It was about 50 bucks. And I know handsaws are stupidly slow, but it enabled me (as the first tool I had as a broke af student) to make absolute precise cuts (even all kind of beveled cuts) for very few money. but like I said it takes time.
@scottm9605
5 жыл бұрын
When you get skilled with a handsaw, it becomes faster for many operations too. Not saying power tools don't require skill, they do, only that the dividend in finished cut quality improves much more when you get skilled with hand tools.
@DeniseSkidmore
5 жыл бұрын
My father had a wooden miter box, probably hand made, that he used to put us kids to hand sawing tasks.
@tbrown5657
5 жыл бұрын
Where did you get your saw guide? I'm curious, and looking to get started in woodworking with hand tools myself. Thanks ;)
@Gecko2305
5 жыл бұрын
@@tbrown5657 I bought it here, but I´m sure this kind of guide is available in many other shops too. www.fine-tools.com/miter-sawguide.html
@steffenwerner1721
5 жыл бұрын
Scott M I agree. I carry a bag of hand tools as well as power... in the shop I also have hand tools. I often can cut quicker and with far less mess than using power tools
@jtotheb-ip2hh
5 жыл бұрын
Great video and I know it's impossible to cover absolutely everything, but for my interests as a weekend warrior/hobbyist who generally wants to make practical stuff for the home, the surprising array of JIGS people invent for the table saw make it as close as you can get to the ultimate cutting tool. From circles to coves to dowels to splines to everything you demonstrated to Heaven knows what else, the table saw can be made to do a million different things that I have yet to see a track saw do. Okay, end of my 2 cents.
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