I just found this channel, as crazy as that might seem, but has quickly become my favorite woodworking channel...and not just by a little. Totally different "useful and needed" information then what others are pumping out. Excellent content.
@lokinya
4 жыл бұрын
When I worked on expensive yacht interior my most accurate tool for dealing with weird shaped walls, shelves, floors etc, was... some scrap wood and a pointy slat. A bit like a stair spider, but simpler with drawing some lines on the scrap wood and slat so you can transfer it.
@simonh73
4 жыл бұрын
You two make a good team! I like the presentation style when you're working together.
@jscgrey1
4 жыл бұрын
One of the best woodworking videos ever!!! Seriously... May be simple truths, but you effectively reduced my level of stress and bumped my production speed and joy. Isn't that what it's all about :) A good friend got me into woodworking over the last couple of years and he repeated something like "it's not about making mistakes, it is about your ability to resolve them..." Thanks 4I's
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
yup...that's very true...I still make multiple mistakes in every project. They just become less and less noticeable.
@dimensionswoodworks
4 жыл бұрын
This is something all of us come to learn over time. Repeatability comes from control of constants and that’s rarely found with a tape measure. Thanks for helping out the newbs that are intimidated by all those calculations and hopefully they’ll be more likely to tackle a project they otherwise wouldn’t have. 👍🏻
@TeddyMonacelli
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video guys. Made me feel better about how often I need to deviate from a plan and adjust to the circumstance.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
you should feel good about that. In fact, I'd argue...if you don't deviate from the plan...you're probably doing things wrong :)
@davidm3225
4 жыл бұрын
Here’s some interesting math for you: the Chris Salomone / Shaun Boyd collabs are a great example of something being greater than the sum of its parts, not that the parts aren’t awesome on their own of course :-D
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Synergy bruh :P
@cschlater
4 жыл бұрын
+1
@dkedavid
4 жыл бұрын
Some superadditivity!
@martinrandez7021
2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos on your Channel! The editing is so creative and you guys are a lot of fun to watch!! Immensely inspiring :)
@adayco
4 жыл бұрын
Those suggestions were helpful, inspirational and a great way to avoid the desperation of chasing a number. Some of my Uncle Melvin’s best work was created using a Stanley folding ruler, a scribe, a sharp pencil, a few sticks and the patience to know sneaking up on a cut was proven to be the best way for him when making furniture. He built a bunch of houses over the years, which close was good enough when framing. It really comes down to patience and a little confidence. They both grow over time, with a little patience. Oh yeah... Thank you for sharing. Great video.👍
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you...appreciate it. And as the old saying goes. "If its good enough for Uncle Melvin...it's good enough for me" - ok, that's not a saying...but it should be :)
@mascatrails661
3 жыл бұрын
Love that drillbit technique... I'll definitely be using it soon. With some training in engineering, I used to strongly believe in the old adage, "measure twice, cut once"... Then I did some work with a carpenter with 30+ years experience, and so often he'd mark from actual pieces rather than measurements and sneak up on certain fits, measuring once and cutting 3-5 times... It really helped me bridge the gap between design and manufacture. We once built a deck together and I was getting all worked up about the length of the posts we were burying, the depth of the holes, setting things plumb. He taught me to throw all that out the window and just set string lines to get the posts well aligned and establish level with the the next set of beams, then move towards square with the next layer of joists, align the floorboards as well as possible, but only really worry about square when trimming the excess off the floorboards. It's fine to aim to get every cut and joint as perfect as possible, but having the skill to make it work despite slight discrepancies in the measurements, that's what really sets the craftsman apart.
@michelevitarelli
4 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most educational videos on woodworking that I have ever seen. Thanks for sharing. Great attitude.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michele :)
@SpecificLove7
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. It makes me feel much better when I cannot hit the perfect angle.
@David-xu3yk
4 жыл бұрын
I've never even thought about the plunge router trick! AMAZING video as always!
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
So simple, but so effective!
@mjfister
4 жыл бұрын
You guys are fun to watch - the banter and trade-off is entertaining. Two to add for future that we woodworkers often use - 'spacers' and 'story sticks/poles'.... keep the videos coming Best, Mike
@tangotango3406
2 жыл бұрын
Obviously a bit late, but just stumbled upon one of the best (informatively and comedic) videos I’ve seen from you guys yet. Haha! Great post and thank you for taking your time to do these videos! 🙏🏻
@DuncanEdwards.
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic lads, keep it up, loving the irony with banter and humour
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
will do :)
@keithkolbo2735
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I was just learning this on my own, particularly, moving the fence as little as possible. Everything that has to be cut X inches should be cut with one setup. It helps a lot. Thanks for all the other situations. You also explained how to use a kerf maker tool. Many thanks.
@raminciorbea4276
2 жыл бұрын
Made me smile, and educated me in the same time. Thank you guys.
@cesarvalle79
4 жыл бұрын
This one of the most useful videos,tips for me at least. I’m always so intimidated by not getting the mesures right, sometimes to the point of leaving a project aside for some time...I know . But thank you both!
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it can be intimidating...but knowing how unimportant many of them are, hopefully will get you to take the plunge :)
@alhixson
4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you expressed this axiom in such distilled and synthesized fashion - I'm really just beginning in woodworking, but you've MODELED this for a long time, and I've worked hard to use relative dimensions just by observation of your channel. Thanks for the good work. This tip was CAUGHT not TAUGHT. Until you taught it. Then it got both'ed.
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Glad we could both it for you! Thanks for watching Aaron!
@robira1313
4 жыл бұрын
You guys are awesome. Love your use of graphics and video editing! (but not the intra-video commercials) You're the real deal! You've earned yourself a subscriber!
@andrewbrown8148
4 жыл бұрын
That was GREAT~! I'm shooting this video out to several friends that are getting started in woodworking. Really good concept to avoid getting too wrapped up in the numbers of it all...where applicable~! I always look forward to your individual videos, but those with both of you in it them just take the cake~! Love the way you play/feed off of each other. Always very instructional, informational, inspiring, and entertaining~! (That last one interfered with my having a fourth "i" for FourEyes~!) Keep it coming, fellas~!!
@toonybrain
3 жыл бұрын
LOVE the mid-century trapezoidal piece! Beautiful. Great inlay setup. Thanks for all the info.
Love the woodworking tips and the great balance between comedy and information delivery
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
@thecurmudgeon5241
4 жыл бұрын
One of the difficulties, as illustrated by you cutting all of the similar parts with the same fence setting, is that our ability to translate a measurement into a real world object with perfect accuracy is limited. Of course you use the measurement as a starting point, but you also have the common sense to know that you've not translated that measurement perfectly. The more I fool around in my shop, the more aware I am of this inadequacy, and the more aware I am of how I need to pay attention to the actual object I've created as I move forward in any particular build. Great job guys.
@jbb5470
4 жыл бұрын
Great topic and discussion. Your video skills are improving by leaps and bounds. Just better and better. Always look forward to watch you produce next! Keep them coming.
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
@_tim
2 жыл бұрын
I love this message. It fits right in line with how my brain works.
@Kobe29261
3 жыл бұрын
There must have been two guys around the ice-age just like you, even their cousins didn't know about them! What a time to be alive!
@BillHartCooks.
4 жыл бұрын
Good Video! Mathematics is a theoretical approach to understanding the real world. Some mathematics do not even have a real world analog, they are purely theoretical. Wood working is real. Very Real. You Guys are two of the most real guys on youTube.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah we are....keeping it real :)
@csylvester123
4 жыл бұрын
The caliper vs woodpecker scene had me in hysterics...you guys are awesome. Super valuable info here. I was painfully revisiting trigonometry on a project the same day you guys released this. Relieved to know it's not as necessary as I previously assumed.
@SecondSonWoodworks
4 жыл бұрын
Awe man, this was a really informational video. Thanks for sharing! I love the dynamic between the two of you!
@richardgroom988
4 жыл бұрын
A really enjoyable way of getting totally confused Thanks
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was enjoyable!
@ThrakattaK
4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video fellas. Very enjoyable to watch.
@andrewcignoni3901
4 жыл бұрын
Love this! The illustrations really help. Thank you.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew :)
@scottsimpey2965
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Taking the completely out of something that should be simpler and straightforward.
@furthernorthfab
4 жыл бұрын
I do math for a living and still get messed up when I try to use actual measurements vs relative measurements.
@tbobbobs7606
4 жыл бұрын
Because math doesn't care about your human numbers.
@freechurros
3 жыл бұрын
That stop motion shot was slick 👌
@AdamSpencerKirkland
4 жыл бұрын
Yep... I agree with the other comments. The collab videos with you two are so good. Stoked to see what you guys do next.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam...lots of plans for this year :)
@layeredwork
4 жыл бұрын
That was pleasure to watch! I had a very fun time... 😍👍🏻
@danthemakerman
4 жыл бұрын
Take that Mrs. Forbes, my 11th grade Trigonometry teacher, I told her I didn't need to learn Trig because I would never use it in real life and now thanks to you guys I never will!!!!
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
She sent me a DM this morning....she was not happy
@danthemakerman
4 жыл бұрын
@@Foureyes.Furniture LOL!!!!
@ianpearse4480
4 жыл бұрын
Nice one guys, like the concept. Being old and as blind as a bat not measuring is a great idea, thanks.
@atomiczombie22
4 жыл бұрын
Love this!! When are you guys going to do a video about your new partnership and Sean giving up his shop?
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
I am moving down there in the next few weeks, so I'm sure we will be talking in more detail about all the plans we have for the future soon!
@dinkyshopYT
2 жыл бұрын
Reference measuring. Helpful animations. Thanks!
@EPortillo5000
4 жыл бұрын
You just need to accept Pythagoras as your lord and saviour to do the trapezoidal boxes calculations 😁😁😁😁😁
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
You have to sell your soul to get it just right.
@unknownentity330
4 жыл бұрын
You guys rock. The editing is off the charts as well. Super channel!
@kinggbp
4 жыл бұрын
That layout you create at 2:20 would be a super helpful tool. Are there any special tools to simplify that process or for mapping out cuts on sheet goods?
@johnfisher4910
3 жыл бұрын
You guys crack me up :) Very jealous of that square collection.
@skipmcgrath
4 жыл бұрын
this is a great video. In this digital age people forget that wood is organic and is particularly prone to the second law of thermodynamics; the law of entropy. Wood is constantly swelling, shrinking, warping and bending. No matter how accurate your measurements and angles are, if you cut all your parts today, those angles and measurements will not be the same when you come back to assemble them tomorrow. A real craftsman knows how to make things look like regular shapes when in fact they are not. I always tell my helpers that if all houses were square, level and plumb there would be no need for carpenters. One could just order the things from a factory and take them home. I do custom cabinets and kitchens, and whenever possible I use story boards, full size templates, marking in place and scribing to deal with complex measurements and angles. And when everything is installed, Blum hardware is cleverly designed to be able to let you tweek the fit of all the doors and drawers. For the customer it is more important that things look coherent that actually be numerically accurate.
@richardbenson4750
4 жыл бұрын
I really like the "duet" and the interactive comedy that you guys do in addition to bringing very informative videos.
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it, Richard! We have fun making these videos.
@javiergarrido1980
4 жыл бұрын
exelent tricks guys, congratulations!!! i always learn newest thinks with your tutorials, keep teaching please
@kennethvogt9379
3 жыл бұрын
Love you guys! Shaun, look at the camera when Chris talking, not all over the room like a bored dog. ;-)
@austin3285
4 жыл бұрын
I do math for a living, and really enjoyed this one!
@hoganmaughan3273
4 жыл бұрын
I've never been envious, but seeing that Chris has like $1K in woodpeckers measuring devices, alone, makes me a little green...with you know.... ;)
@robira1313
4 жыл бұрын
I know. I could not bring myself to spend $80 on a 6-inch Woodpecker square.
@scottm9605
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I really enjoy this way of thinking and working. I know for the pieces I make, there is usually only one critical dimension (must fit in x space). Everything else can be approximate so long as they are uniform. An excellent book on this is "By hand and eye". Imo a must for anyone making furniture.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Good point. I usually start my drawings with a box of the finished size...then I just kind of draw within those constraints...for this exact reason.
@scottm9605
4 жыл бұрын
@@Foureyes.Furniture It's very freeing to not have to worry every single dimension to death. Moreover as you point out, it leads to tighter joinery and better craftsmanship.
@JamieKnowles35
4 жыл бұрын
What a great video. I can get bogged down in the dimensions of things.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
those are all just suggestions :)
@MrJKellerLewis
4 жыл бұрын
Every time you guys release a video of makes my morning! Nice video and way to diversify your content
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
:)
@theIntuitionist
4 жыл бұрын
Some seriously good information in this video
@farshadbagheri
11 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. Very practical.
@thegoodfight365
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe I've been working indoors too much since the unicorn virus...but that was awfully entertaining in my humble opinion. Thanks
@markdmaker3173
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Most of the time I do woodworking I don’t measure using rulers I use the wood itself. Having dyslexia I invert numbers turn them around spin them upside down and spit them out so I try not to use number. In colonial times and before rulers and tape measures were never used.
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, exactly! Happy to hear it works for you, thanks Mark!
@bebekguitar2007
3 жыл бұрын
the end of this video cracks me up. Also, thx for the tips!
@baltimoreace
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris would you ever consider doing a series for teaching furniture drawing/designing on sketch up? I know sketchup comes easy for you now and I’d love to learn from you. I’d pay 💰 💵 😬
@jmert_5859
4 жыл бұрын
You two do a great job on these videos. Very entertaining.
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that! Thanks for watching!
@TracksWithDax
4 жыл бұрын
Oh man guys, I was sitting there refreshing firefox all day yesterday after hearing about this episode on the podcast. Nice!
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the delay :)
@mjuarez781
4 жыл бұрын
The awkwardness makes me feel so comfortable
@morganholbrook4400
4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t been keeping up with you videos lately because my other account was deleted. But you can imagine my confusion when your most recent videos start out like your OG ones.. and I’m like this does not sound like him. This can’t be him. Low and behold is Shaun lol. I was beyond confused 😂
@draztiqmeshaz6226
4 жыл бұрын
"how thick is that?" "that thick." Yes.
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Haha, exactly!
@williamellis8993
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. There's a lot of info even for experienced woodworkers even if it's just a reminder. I did, however, miss the requisite game of scrapsketball.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
we had a lot of talking hit the cutting room floor. But not a lot of wood hitting the workshop floor in this one :)
@ADVBear
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, congrats, guys.
@K0NVICT
4 жыл бұрын
They need to make a good sketch-up app for the ipad to use the apple pencil on. I use linea but still wish sketchup was available
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
That could be cool
@robertbrewer2055
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. It really makes you think outside the box 😉
@HyperactiveNeuron
4 жыл бұрын
LOL that was awesome! At first I was like WTF! I'm a scientist and my minor was math. I have worked in a calibration lab for years, worked with NIST, NASA, EPA and other national and international standards labs....so super measurement and math heavy and I was like no you really need to master this stuff because A) it does matter and B) it's not as hard as you might think but after watching I 100% agree. Making consistent cuts by moving your fence as few times as possible they planning and setup is absolutely the best route. I mean math definitely has it's place but when you are trying to make something that's both attractive and fits together well with great joints and symmetric dimensions (where that's wanted) and even/level surfaces, math can sit back, relax and enjoy a drink after the planning stages.
@JerseyCWP
4 жыл бұрын
I swear that you guys are a woodworking comedy team!
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
We have a lot of sketch ideas for every video that never get filmed :)
@JerseyCWP
4 жыл бұрын
@@Foureyes.Furniture You guys have to put together a best of video lol
@Jay2525Jay
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your skills and time with us.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jared...appreciate it :)
@mhaz49
4 жыл бұрын
Yea, I learned a long time ago that reference dimensions were the best way to build anything. Keeps the brain from mis-firing.
@urwholefamilydied
2 жыл бұрын
0:02 oh badass guys. I'm from Michigan and Utah. Digging the Jazz and Tiger's hats.
@mattstegall
4 жыл бұрын
As usual, great video. You could make content on just about any subject and it would be enjoyable. Thanks for being on KZitem
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man...let's see if you still feel the same after the CES video finally comes out :)
@ctvwrest
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video thanks!
@larrymorrissey2222
4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos guys, keep up the good work, I look forward to the next instalment of hilarity in the workshop
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Larry :)
@hernancoronel
4 жыл бұрын
According to my math changing 1 degree in a 90 cm leg would yield a difference of aprox 2,42 cm of the total width of the legs. It is not much but it is around a 3% change. If the legs were longer than that the difference would amplify much more! Thanks for the video.
@josephdestaubin7426
4 жыл бұрын
As a contractor I can tell you with some experience that tape measure should be used only as a last resort. Scribe if you can, use a template if you must, and use a tape measure only when all hope is lost.
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, very true. Thanks for watching, Joseph!
@SpencleyDesignCo
4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always boys!
@Photalitube
4 жыл бұрын
Absoluley totally agree with you! That's why i hate cnc machine projects! Nice format guys!
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aleksander!
@_WillCAD_
4 жыл бұрын
The word "measure" is used today almost exclusively in the context of "quantitative measure". I.E., determining how many whatzits an object is in length or how many whozits an object weighs (or masses, if you're a scientificalish sort of personalty). But the techniques you showed for the router inlay are also a form of measure. They're just more of a comparative or relative measure than a quantitative one. You placed the actual inlay on the board and traced it with a marking knife. This gave you the measure of the inlays length and width. Then you used the inlay itself to set the router plunge depth, which gave you the measure of the inlay's depth. You used the inlay itself //as a measuring device\\ for all three dimensions, giving you accurate measures for 1 inlaylengthunit by 1 inlaywidthunit by 1 inlaydepthunit. It's still measuring, it's just a different, and in this case, far more accurate, +style+ of measurement. Because the units you used are more precisely aligned with the actual object (or in this case, hole) you were measuring, rather than arbitrary units like feet, meters, handsbreadths, or cubits, which would have to be multiplied and subdivided to represent a real-world object (or in this case, hole). How many 'whats' in a 'grid' to get you safely into the heart of downtown Berlin?* Who cares!? The distance from here to there is always equal to exactly ONE heretothereunit. No math required. Which is good, because I suck at math. And at woodworking, but that's neither here nor there. * Obscure MASH reference...
@dal2888859
4 жыл бұрын
@ 2:20, did you use a plug in to create that in SU? And do you use a plugin to create a cut list/ diagram? If so, I'd love to know what you use. If not, I'd love to see a video of your SU workflow. Either way, really, a SU workflow video would be very helpful and appreciated from those of us that also use SU for the pre-build. Thanks for the great content
@mini-_
4 жыл бұрын
"Taking Math Out Of Woodworking" Me, a European, converting things like 39 and 3/16 inch to metric "Well that has been a lie"
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry...we for got to translate. "Taking the MATHS Out of Woodworking" Does that help :)
@jdrummerdd
4 жыл бұрын
this killed me lmaoooooo
@petermiddo
4 жыл бұрын
The bit I laugh at is there is literally one single country* that still use inches as their primary system of measurement. And the US climgs to it like its their primary religion. And, like, the rest of the world are laughing..... (and we're the ones doing the math/s to convert their plans....) * not counting Liberia and Myanmar who are currently (early 2020) converting but are taking their time about it. . . . . .
@damnperrys1
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I cant stand imperial measurements as I grew up in the enlightened world outside of the US. When working with my Grandfather who was a finish woodworker we couldnt communicate because he used fractions and I used mm!
@petermiddo
4 жыл бұрын
@@damnperrys1 remember when the space shuttle couldnt dock with the ISS because of a conversion mistake?
@BartVFF
4 жыл бұрын
you guys got me hooked
@Jophus1er
4 жыл бұрын
"Taking measuring out of woodworking, but still showing Woodpeckers entire line of measuring tools to keep your sponsor happy." Hah.
@Foureyes.Furniture
4 жыл бұрын
You know that's me being goofy....right???? :) :) :)
@_WillCAD_
4 жыл бұрын
@@Foureyes.Furniture "You being goofy", and "you keeping your sponsor happy", are not mutually exclusive. :D
@OU81TWO
4 жыл бұрын
@@Foureyes.Furniture Everyone knows it's deliberate. Don't bother trying to hide it.
@Shaun42wild
4 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the title of this video I though I will watch this but I'm sure I won't agree with you, after watching it, I agree fully. Great video thanks :-)
@enmarcadoratresgarzas2785
4 жыл бұрын
Nice job guys.
@jimmybongo777
3 жыл бұрын
Me: Literally the best way to start a video. Also me: Literally the best way to end a video.
@brunoschmidt6824
4 жыл бұрын
Great!! Thank YOU!!!!
@Engstreet
4 жыл бұрын
I like seeing you both together.
@valman76
Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏 Masters!
@napes65
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thank you. Chris, I've been away from you tube for a little bit so I have to ask, Tigers? What happened to the Cubs hat?
@GopherWoodshop
4 жыл бұрын
Guys, this video is hilarious, love the one upping of the tools at the end.
@garagemonkeysan
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, great editing and information. Mahalo for sharing! : )
@shaunb66
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
@philmacgregor1374
4 жыл бұрын
A good video for amateurs As being a master carpender for 50 years l found layout and estimating involve math and geometry but assembly is match machining and fitting out More accurate joinery is cut to fit and scribe in place , But I believe you should get more education if you are serious about making things in wood !
@HuggyBearx64
4 жыл бұрын
"taking math out of woodworking" *literally just 15 minutes of geometry*
@brandonwilson8115
4 жыл бұрын
Lay people have this odd perception that arithmetic is all that there is to math.
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