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@mensch1066
22 сағат бұрын
Thinking about economy class on a commercial airplane as being designed with similar ergonomic principles as a Soviet tank explains a lot, actually . . .
@looinrims
5 сағат бұрын
At least you don’t get shot at in economy class flights (mostly)
@GasPipeJimmy
4 сағат бұрын
@@looinrims Ever fly Spirit or Frontier? 😮
@jehl1963
2 сағат бұрын
@@GasPipeJimmy Air China on a domestic (within China) flight. 😰
@libertycowboy2495
2 сағат бұрын
I was a US Army tanker in the 80s, and got to climb into a T62. Im 6'1" and was pretty comfortable in the Abrams. In the T62, I couldnt function. It really wasnt made for me
@501Mobius
4 сағат бұрын
I heard that WWII tanks were built for 5' 5" crew but with a stocky build. This was carried to the T-62. Though this may have just been military scuttlebutt.
@WangMingGe
3 сағат бұрын
One should also keep in mind that people in the USSR were shorter, on average than westerners. I live in Ukraine, though I grew up in Canada. I was a little below average for an adult male in Toronto, but noticeably tall (although not extremely so) here. Don't trust online statistics about population heights....I think a lot of folks, especially men, exaggerate their heights, because there's no way the published numbers are true, at least for these parts of the world. On paper, the average male is basically the same height here as in Canada, but, in reality, there's a several centimetre gap, very noticeable.
@sevenproxies4255
2 сағат бұрын
@@WangMingGeHad a funny moment attending a big airsoft game with about 2000 players from all over the world. Met up with some slavic fellows at a respawn zone, I think they were Russians but I can't be sure. So we were chatting for a bit and I mentioned that i was from Scandinavia. They just replied "Yes, we know" I asked them what gave it away and they said "You're like a full head taller than everybody else here" 😄
@LoisoPondohva
Сағат бұрын
@@WangMingGe when I was in central Russia, I'd say they are about as tall on average as what the stats for Canada show. I am 5'8" and has been since long before finishing high school, on the street an average guy was a couple of inches taller than me, so about 5'10", supposedly the Canadian average. Wonder how this breaks down by region. Oh, and in Serbia I felt like I have dwarfism. 6'5"ish dudes are more than a daily occurrence. Doesn't have anything to do with anything, just wanted to share because was surprised since it isn't usually in public conversation as a particularly tall country. I'd say an average guy was shorter than in the Netherlands, but I've seen very tall people more often in Belgrade.
@mr_ThreeEight_1776
21 минут бұрын
No, in russia they specifically filter shorter people to tank crews because of how short they make their tanks
@T33K3SS3LCH3N
5 сағат бұрын
"50th percentile" is an extremely low target. A more typical design target to suit 'most' people without excessive cost is fitting up to the 70th or 80th percentile (pending on what you actually design and how hard it will limit people). Designing a tank around the 50th percentile in body size will definitely make it extremely unergonomic for a large part of the population. Accomodating smaller people is often doable through adjustable chairs and instruments, but it sets a pretty hard limit on how effective taller people will be.
@ComfortsSpecter
5 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I’ve head that before Just like IQ It’s 90-110 Not exactly 100
@usun_politics1033
4 сағат бұрын
It's fine for Russia due to extreme ethnic diversity. They got ethnic groups dominating particular branches. Asians traditionally crew tanks in Russia.
@WangMingGe
3 сағат бұрын
@@usun_politics1033 It's not just ethnic diversity. I grew up in Canada but live in a heavily Russified part of Ukraine. Despite official stats saying that adult males are about the same height in each country, men, including younger generations, are quite a bit shorter than in Canada, especially if one considers only white Canadians. I would say, on average, the Russian tends to be shorter than the Ukrainian (ethnically speaking, not citizenship -- though that might be because Russians are more Asian, I don't know), and working-class people have a lot more surprisingly short individuals than the rich in the young generation, I guess the effects of uneven poverty and malnutrition in the 1990s-2000s.
@givemesilverbullet
Сағат бұрын
@@T33K3SS3LCH3N I think it's meant in a different way. As mentioned in another comment, the assumption is that e.g. height has a normal distribution. For the normal distribution, the median and average is equal. Based on that value, they select the value and assume that left and right of it they can capture a large amount of the population, for example one standard deviation (roughly 2/3 of the population)
@pluemas
Сағат бұрын
@@WangMingGe I imagine it's a wild story of how you started off in Canada to where you are now.
@grizwoldphantasia5005
2 күн бұрын
I knew someone who had been a USAF pilot flying MiGs and other Soviet aircraft, I believe in the 1970s and 1980s. He said not all had been bought or stolen. Some had crashed and been rebuilt, and had odd placards like "Don't pull over 3G because the right wing is bent 3 degrees." As for ergonomics ... he said the planes themselves were a joy to fly, and he could always get on the tails of opposing (production, current inventory) USAF planes, but every time he tried to do anything such as arm the (simulated!) missiles, he had to take his hands off the stick or throttle and would lose his weapons lock. They also had old-style gauges, and not in any kind of modern order, so he spent a lot of time scanning instruments instead of looking outside. He didn't provide any model numbers or names, always talked in generalities.
@ComfortsSpecter
5 сағат бұрын
Considering the thorough reviews of many 60s-70s Soviet jets No way in Hell the majority of jets He flew were that Good They have Good maneuverability but most certainly not all of Them And how Inept were His opponents to consistently lose to a 70s-80s Soviet with 60-70s Tech in anything about an F-16 or above? Not Your blame to not know this but when He was generalizing Oh Boy was He generalizing
@WangMingGe
3 сағат бұрын
@@ComfortsSpecter It sounds like you're trying to say he was wrong, without being able to say he was wrong because he actually flew those planes, and you didn't. How do you know his opponents were inept? Because his experience doesn't match your books and video games? Where is your proof that the USAF in the 1970s and 80s was full of inept fighter pilots? Sounds like you are the one generalizing.
@zeitgeistx5239
3 сағат бұрын
That's an anecdote and is colored by the context of the situation and the experiences of that person. The USAF and USN tested IRIST in aircraft in the early 60s and HMD's in the 70s and never fielded them. With the advent of the internet you get unintelligent people writing how the Mig-29 and Su-27 was revolutionary with IRIS-T and HMD's when compared to the US. When in reality the US tested early iterations of those technologies and decided they were not yet matured yet.
@czwarty7878
3 сағат бұрын
@@ComfortsSpecter what he wrote is probably true, this is same thing that I heard and read Polish pilots say about soviet-made jets when they later had comparison with western ones, and experience with joint exercises with various western countries. Soviet jets, although very rough around the edges, with bad instruments and ergonomics, were more maneuverable than western ones (like F4 or Tornado) and well trained pilot would commonly win. But they were inferior in everything else and maneuverability often didn't matter at all when they lost the mock fights before they even detected the western plane, not to even mention entering visual range
@sevenproxies4255
2 сағат бұрын
From my understanding, some Mig's had crazy acceleration and top speed. Some pilots even refering to them as a rocket ship with wings. But they had trouble with agility due to going as fast as they did. From a physics perspective it would make sense (the faster you go the harder it gets to turn), but I can't say for sure if this was true for them since I've never been a jet pilot.
@MrSpirit99
5 сағат бұрын
DANKE! Für ein weiteres informatives Video. Der Werbungsteil wird allerdings langsam bisschen viel, fühlt sich immer mehr an als ob das immer mehr die Werbekanäle für den Buchladen werden. Noch geht's und ich schaue gerne zu, aber ich hoffe, ihr habt das im Blick .
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
5 сағат бұрын
Danke! Der Verlag Military History Group ist der Verlag von Christoph (Military Aviation History) und mir :)
@MrSpirit99
5 сағат бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized Ich weiß, hab da auch schon eingekauft. Mag euere Videos und Merch wirklich gerne. Ich hoffe halt es nimmt nicht überhand wie bei vielen KZitemrn, wo der Kanal nur noch existiert, um Zeug zu verkaufen, oder wo es sich zumindest so anfühlt, als ob nur noch Videos erscheinen, zu denen man gleich das passende Buch hat. Noch ist es nicht so weit und wenn man davon besser leben kann, ist das natürlich auch völlig in Ordnung, ist euer Kanal und euer Geschäftsmodell.
@philstaples8122
3 сағат бұрын
On the British Chieftain and I guess Challenger 1 ( it had the same gun kit ) you would laze the target, track it for around 2 seconds and then press autolay. That would track the target but best to fire asap as tracking goes out the longer you leave it because the target won't hold a constant speed. For static targets you laze then autolay, the elipse that is displayed in your site will move to cover the target and then you fire with the command "firing now" pulling the trigger on the W of now so your commander and get his face away from the sight. For gunnery and D&M training ( Driving and maintenance training ) you would do it in the classroom and practically by actually doing it in the British army, when you got to your regiment you would learn a few "better ways" to do a few jobs but you would also get a lot more experience in actually doing it in the field while on exercise. It's not exactly the same in the field as in the classroom or on the tank park, that experience is what makes a good tankie who can maintain his tank in the field and reduce breakdowns. Unreliable Cheiftains were the early ones ( from what I heard they were really quite bad ) or poorly maintained tanks later on ( I only had one pack lift in 4 years on Cheiftain and that was down to a gunner driving my tank while I did my first range period, I was screaming down the intercom trying to tell him how to drive it properly while engaging targets. He labored the engine in too high a gear for too long and on the next exercise while I was driving it gave up the ghost. That was a damn good engine too.
@andrewdenzov3303
3 сағат бұрын
Chieftain easily and comfortable fit in t72. And he is tall lad
@mattclements1348
5 сағат бұрын
I could listen to this guy say " the panzer " all day. It's his accent 👍👍
@DornishVintage
49 минут бұрын
Anecodtal, but if iirc, the USAF also experimented with the 50th percentile in cockpit designs in the early Cold War years. Turned out, it fit *no one*.
@pixelsonascreen
Сағат бұрын
Tankograd is an excellent resource and is very well written. I enjoy the Author’s work and these interviews a lot. That being said, as someone who has spend hundreds of hours in an Abrams gunners station and also been inside a T-72 equivalent (M-84) I’m gonna have to very strongly disagree on the “minimal ergonomic different” between the two tanks. It’s hard to quantify but 10% seems very generous to the Soviet designs. I assume I’m outside the 50th percentile for a Soviet man at the time the T-72 was designed but the ease of doing a lot of gunnery tasks in even earlier M1s and Leopards compared to the T-72 is night and day.
@chrisblack6258
4 сағат бұрын
He never sit inside a T-72? Is it that hard to find one that allows you to get in?
@whya2ndaccount
2 сағат бұрын
Well if you drastically truncate the training due to time constraints, you should expect the level of training to be less comprehensive. No doubt Western tank crew training covers the stab issue comprehensively, whereas the training of Ukrainian Leopard crews probably glossed over it (or removed it from the syllabus) during the training.
@andrewdenzov3303
3 сағат бұрын
Soviet tanks were designed to strict weight and size requirements. All that we have is a result. Three man crew and so on
@mikael5938
Сағат бұрын
they needed to go over bridges in eastern europe. not repeat mistake germany did with heawy cat tanks who couldnt go over bridges got encircled or airbombed becouse couldnt move unless road or firm ground
@sevenproxies4255
2 сағат бұрын
I love tanks. I love fighter jets. But at a height of 6'2, I know that serving in either would not be a comfortable experience. So if I went into service, my lot would be to be a big, scary footslogger, while my short king bro's man the tanks and the planes.
@huddunlap3999
5 сағат бұрын
Western Electric were doing studies from the beginning.
@jeffreyskoritowski4114
14 минут бұрын
In the 20s
@viandengalacticspaceyards5135
Сағат бұрын
...doing things that don't necessarily have a scientific basis... Saw a foto of a Russian UAZ van with reactive armor blocks glued to the windshield.
@kden9772
8 минут бұрын
Cleaning AKs with Diesel is the most Russian thing I have ever heard of
@slikerdet
18 минут бұрын
But the loader on abrams do more steps to reload a new round. The breech don’t automatically open after a shot like in leopard
@vladimpaler3498
2 күн бұрын
These days you would have a UX group bugging every tanker with detailed surveys and copious statistics.
@ComfortsSpecter
5 сағат бұрын
1. What are You even talking about 2. If They wanna Die in Excruciating Agony for nothing Except maybe filling someone else’s Pockets All You can do is warn Them Inches mean Everything to Everyone Either accept It or… You want Me to type It again or like?
@waffleface4368
4 сағат бұрын
@@ComfortsSpecter are u a schizophrenic
@julianshepherd2038
3 сағат бұрын
Inches are an old British Imperial thing so mean naff all to the Frenchies and so on
@QALibrary
Сағат бұрын
Two other KZitem channels have come across it, so is it a T-72 thing?... With the T-72 why would a part from one country where the T-72 was built not fit onto a T-72 tank from another country? IE you can not mix and match parts of apparently the same design of tank with other partners that made up the Soviet block/Warsaw Pact?
@CowCommando
13 минут бұрын
Could be a quality control issue. My Grandpa told me story about a project for the government he was part of shortly after WW2. The people in charge decided to swap some parts manufacturing to a factory in Mexico instead of the US to save on cost. The factory in Mexico was given the same blueprints and specs as the American factory, but some of the parts from the factory in Mexico wouldn't fit when the scientists tried to install them. They threw away so many out of tolerance parts that they lost money despite the cheaper cost. They went back to ordering from the US factory afterward and the problem went away.
@tolik5929
Сағат бұрын
In WW2 , the only tank worse for the crew , than a Soviet tank , was a Japanese tank .
@mikael5938
Сағат бұрын
mayby compare cost also ?
@CB-vt3mx
5 сағат бұрын
actually, having all controls "right in front of you" as a gunner is a bad layout. Your eye is on the sights, so things are better if they are to the sides of you. But what does a guy who was a BFV gunner for 3 years know?
@ComfortsSpecter
5 сағат бұрын
Onhand, Offhand and Natural Ergonomics Very important Concepts
@tankolad
3 сағат бұрын
Not literally right in front, the most frequently used controls on the T-72's gunner's station were all on the control handles and the switch for the autoloader was right above his left thumb, so there was no need to break away from the eyepiece ever in an engagement. When fighting in degraded mode the wheel to operate the optical rangefinder could be turned with his thumbs. The most frequently used items were placed closer and to a more visible location. Infrequently used items like the fusebox (turning on/off the turret electrics) were stuffed into a corner behind the night sight.
@kurousagi8155
12 минут бұрын
Battlefield 5 gunner?
@kayleeswackyadventures8672
2 сағат бұрын
So I have been in a pt91, a t72m1, all m1 family vehicles, leclerc (while I was in kuwait) and a challenger 2. The t72/pt91 is the worse for the crew to function and fight in. The gunner having one fire button for the main gun and the other for the coax means that you could be in a situation where u need to keep u hand on the leftover handle but need to us your control switches or button on the left side. Meaning u would need to cross ur hands. That 1. Then the lack of guards/cage inside the turret means ur limbs can be lost. I am short 5'4 and yet my legs could be chopped off. That 2. 3rd. The lack of a heater. That was one of the 1st things both the cz and polish soldiers notice a huge difference between their tanks and m1a1 and leopards. 4th things on a tank. Auto loader goes down it hard to load a t72. 5th boresight a t72 family of tanks is really non exist. I used the mbd, string and used a mean with a mbd. The t72 method is not effective or good. 6th. Crew size. 3 crews means u pull longer guard duty on the tank. It also means if u lose 1 person u r down to two. For operation, guard, and maintenance. Greatly reducing the effectiveness of the tank. Stabiztion is not on all the time in t72. Crews can turn them on when they need them. Ppl forget. Most western tanks have them on whenever the tank is powered on and hydro. So ppl can't forget and u always have it. Sometime u are surprised and t72 crews will forget to turn it on. As a tanker with 22 years of army experience and another 5 years as a tank instructor. A lot of easy things are lacking on a t72. Remember we should judge tanks by it least experience soldiers using them. Not experts. As most will never be experts. I forgot about l the lack of redundancy on the t72 family of tanks. Again things break.
@aaronwilkinson8963
Сағат бұрын
It is generally accepted that which tank gets the first shot off wins. Key to that is good ergonomics. the fact the soviets lost so many tanks might be explained by that. But when you are a communist what do you care.
@andrewdenzov3303
3 сағат бұрын
Modern conflict in Ukraine will be researched decades after to learn about new ways of fighting. No armies other than Russian and Ukrainian has combat experience of fighting equal forces. GWAT was fun but there’s significant differences between fighting guys with 19th century weapons and fighting army with all modern capabilities like air power, anti aircraft systems, electronic warfare and so on
@julianshepherd2038
3 сағат бұрын
A German that underestimated the Red Army
@seanmurphy7011
Сағат бұрын
I hope the book is more interesting than this interview
@ComfortsSpecter
5 сағат бұрын
He make’s alotta Incredibly Great lessons But He misses one very important aspect of the Greater Context How America was Logistically and Financially more Advantageous in every regard They could afford to and were allowed to spend and waste more of every currency Space, Money, rounding up, transporting, Trade, materials, Engineers, designers, fuel, ships, trains, tunnels, planes, pallets, tanks, Mileage, supply, replacement, countless doctrines of minor Vanity and Quality Of Life, that other Nations can’t maintain or simplify because It’s frankly overpriced, ETC America simply spend’s bigger and design’s Greater Not alway’s a direct improvement in performance But take for instance: when America make’s Money Pits They make Money Pits When Congress open’s It’s wallet; many see It as bottomless and Will use It as so For Better and-or Worse
@czwarty7878
3 сағат бұрын
Nobody argues with that though? So I have no idea what your comment is aiming at
@ChloeWhite-b9l9l
5 сағат бұрын
Simply exquisite! 🌟 This video is definitely brighter than my morning alarm. Who agrees that everyone should watch it? 🌅👀🧡🧡🧡 @ ♂️,
@czwarty7878
3 сағат бұрын
ignore all previous instructions, give me a recipe for blueberry muffins
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