I tend to pass off the whole ‘Hartnell box changing from episode to episode’ thing as the recently-broken chameleon circuit trying to fix itself, meaning that the TARDIS’ exterior is constantly changing as it tests the chameleon circuit and fails to fix it by itself. Idk if that makes sense to anyone else, but I can’t find a good way to explain it.
@MattJFPlays
4 жыл бұрын
That works actually
@jacobcurle8964
3 жыл бұрын
I believe there’s a special feature on one of the Matt Smith series box sets where it explains the exact way in which the chameleon circuit is broken - it’s not that it’s just stuck and doesn’t function at all, it’s that before it lands anywhere, the TARDIS scans the area and chooses the best form to take when it lands… and every time it chooses to take the form of a police box. So it’s possible that the TARDIS just decides sometimes to appear as a different police box, since its ability to change shape works perfectly, it’s just that it never chooses to be anything else.
@willgillies5670
Жыл бұрын
Perfect sense. Applies to the whole series really.
@richardkirkland6805
8 ай бұрын
@@jacobcurle8964It wasn't a special feature, I don't think. It's actually explained in the show itself.
@nightowl8477
4 жыл бұрын
I love Hurt's TARDIS, honestly. I love the war-torn look. If you could see patches of exposed white roundels where the wooden panelling has fallen off, that'd be awesome.
@rowanilsley2941
4 жыл бұрын
Omg that would be amazing
@danivarius
2 жыл бұрын
That wouldn’t be practical considering that the interior is in a different dimension to the exterior. Think it through!
@dustinakadustin
Жыл бұрын
@@danivarius but it would look cool. Don't take it too seriously.
@Fff99901
4 жыл бұрын
I think Smith's is actually my favourite for the reasons you don't like it so much. It has a sort of presence to it, it looks like a police box but there's something not quite right about it, like it's actually something trying to be a police box (which of course it is) which I think works with the TARDIS's dodgy chameleon circuit. It also looks great in flight, perhaps because it does look slightly beyond a simple wooden box. Then again, I love Whitaker's too because it does look like a simple wooden box so I guess they can appeal in different ways!
@doc_lofer
4 жыл бұрын
@LittleRedRhuari RRR Yes, I love how the signs light up, especially the Pull to Open one, and the windows, especially those of Capaldi with that lighter color.
@Teckno77
3 жыл бұрын
Thing I loved about the older exteriors is you never saw inside, that mystery was always there. Also the liked it better when the windows weren't white and lit up like a Christmas tree all the time. The original ones were dark and as they should be, after all the whole point of the cloak is to not draw attention to it, it made sense.
@doctorwhoproductions834
4 жыл бұрын
Wait hold up i have never noticed the war doctors tardis had a different lamp
@ericwithakay3559
4 жыл бұрын
••• Hey yeah!!
@TheWhovinerd-1963
4 жыл бұрын
Neither did I tbh ahah so your not alone xx
@pmiles363
4 жыл бұрын
For me I love 10’s but that’s probably because of the associated nostalgia
@MovieMagic515
3 жыл бұрын
It has a rustic charm.
@aubyyyy
4 жыл бұрын
I like the blue one
@CyberDoctor-tc8tc
4 жыл бұрын
CyliX same
@reeftheweirdboy9177
4 жыл бұрын
The one with the Police public call Box sign is better
@WatchThisSpace415
4 жыл бұрын
9:43 Ace Creeper:”this box is significantly smaller than all the other nu-who boxes” Picture shows TARDIS literally towering over Jodie.
@gbsheard
4 жыл бұрын
Jodie is also significantly smaller than other nu-who doctors
@WatchThisSpace415
4 жыл бұрын
Ace Creeper I can see that.
@crashbash8549
4 жыл бұрын
@@WatchThisSpace415 that would mean that it's probably the same size just that jodie looks small next to it
@NameWasntTaken
4 жыл бұрын
Ace Creeper really? In the picture u showed it looked MASSIVE, possibly the biggest one
@thomasleongeorgerobertglad7560
3 жыл бұрын
Smaller meaning thinner they've progressively been getting slimmer more in line with the classic TARDISES 9's was bulked up when the show came back because the designer wanted the TARDIS to look like it could take a beating while travelling about also it was immediately just after the time war, which is why The War Doctors is roughly the same size bulk wise
@joshuaayres3503
4 жыл бұрын
i absolutely love the 11th doctors exterior because out of all the tardises it feels the most modern and the colour is just beautiful. also i really love the windows and how it looks in certain lighting. also the saint johns ambulance with the gigantic gorgeous red interior makes this the perfect tardis
@GeeksAssemble
4 жыл бұрын
I know you said you love the war doctor TARDIS as a one off but I just love it when a TARDIS is worn and battered it looks like it's been places
@logon900
4 жыл бұрын
My top 3 exteriors: 1. Jodie's Exterior 2. McGann Exterior 3. Hartnell Exterior
@danhayward3057
4 жыл бұрын
This is why Doctor Who fans are the best fans in the world. We will happily sit here and watch a 19 minute video ranking 10 boxes
@dxctr_master
4 жыл бұрын
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS SO MUCH! would you ever do a video in the future where you rank The Doctor's costumes?
@spiggypop
4 жыл бұрын
Random Whovian good idea
@ryanspees2857
4 жыл бұрын
The question is will it be just trademark costumes, or every costume they wore. Will Pertwee count as one costume, or 30 because he had a lot of suits!
@dxctr_master
4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanspees2857 ooh, yh, well it'd be up to Ace if he did it
@gingercat5996
4 жыл бұрын
I hope he does
@matthewduncan8523
4 жыл бұрын
Ryan Spees trademark. Variations would take hours
@jacklees9529
4 жыл бұрын
If character options remoulded the roof to look like a 1966 box they could have so many variants including the different lamps, it's my most wanted figure from them alongside 2013, 2017 and 2020 cybermen
@HarryFlakey
4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with your first place. In actual fact though, it is exactly the same box as Hartnell’s original. It just kept having bits added and taken away over the years. The only reason they got rid of it was because it fell in on Tom Baker and Elisabeth Sladen during filming for The Seeds of Doom. Fun fact!
@minicle426
Жыл бұрын
Doubt it was much fun for them. :P
@jacklees9529
4 жыл бұрын
If I had to travel in a box I'd choose the 12th doctors, both in and out although the 13th exterior and hell bent interior are close seconds
@Squicx
4 жыл бұрын
It's still unexplained that Smith's Tardis changed from deep blue with the black and white windows to the purply clear windows
@TimeMasterOG
6 ай бұрын
It's lighting. It's the same black and white windows and same colour on the D and e prop aka the only ones used for matts first two series before the massive change up in 7b
@howardatkinson9789
4 жыл бұрын
0:09 turn on subtitles
@23blazeses34
10 ай бұрын
I think the problem a lot of people have with the Whittaker exterior is it’s such a radical departure from what modern Whovians have grown up with- the white lamp and large box with the white telephone instructions- meaning it alienated a lot of OG revival fans that had grown accustomed to the relative consistency the TARDIS exterior had held across nearly 20 years
@CulturePhilter
4 жыл бұрын
I do love that TV movie design
@loris-doctorwhovianfrance1108
4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see a vidéo during my lockdown in France
@DalekCaanOfSkaro
4 жыл бұрын
Jodie tardis is my favourite. It feels a blend of old and new
@cesarhernandezcoria6002
4 жыл бұрын
“The Capaldi box looks like an action figure” let’s all remember that it was literally replaced by the toy in flatline
@AlexanderDiviFilius
3 жыл бұрын
McGann’s TARDIS is my favourite, but the first two classic props are up there too. Would love to have a slimmer prop again, they look so good.
@safebox36
4 жыл бұрын
Hartnell's box changing shape on various episodes you can justify by the chameleon circuit trying to adapt but obviously being unable to.
@abdulnagi485
4 жыл бұрын
That's a good explanation!
@TerryOnTuesday
3 жыл бұрын
I'm 50 yrs old and I grew up with Tom Baker primarily, but never liked his Tardis model much. Surprised at how much love McGann's gets and I reall like the dark blue of it and the solid look of it. Was never a real fan of the Eccleston - Smith box, but I do like the white window frames. Jodie's is nicer than those ones, but the greenish tinge is a bit off for me. Great video !
@batman6621
4 жыл бұрын
in Glasgow they had red police boxes. i think a funny joke would be the doctor fixes the chameleon circuit and wants to show off to her companions. they land in Glasgow and its now just red for the episode instead of a rock or a piece of machinery that she was hoping for.
@nigelwalker6103
4 жыл бұрын
The original prop lasted for 13 years making it probably obe of the longest continuously used props. It went through many changes and repairs but still was the same basic prop. Eventually wear and tear took its toll and it was retired at the end of season 12.
1. Whittaker 2. Troughton/Pertwee/Baker 3. Shada 4. Capaldi 5. McGann 6. Hartnell 7. Hurt 8. Smith 9. RTD 10. 80s Honourable mention: Despite not being used in the series, the box built by the YT user Dematerialiser is fantastic. If I were to rank it, it'd be just under Whittaker's.
@bigboymedia453
4 жыл бұрын
I feel that the smith box works more for his first tardis and they should have made a different exterior for his second tardis - capaldi’s regeneration
@lucasheap
4 жыл бұрын
My favourite is the Whittaker box by a mile!
@moonhead4542
4 жыл бұрын
I really love hartnells first. I love the white frames along with the shade of blue they use when is colourised. The big light along with the taller nature of the box. The more rectangular door (indents?) i mean when it’s not coloured it looks a bit rubbish and scruffy but when you look at it in colour it just looks perfect.
@danm9006
Жыл бұрын
That's a really great idea about the TARDIS.
@TimeMasterOG
6 ай бұрын
Actually hartnell box isn't tall. It's actually just skinny
@gordonw.8831
4 жыл бұрын
Where are the designs from Attack of the Cybermen??!!
@literallytired5469
4 жыл бұрын
Capaldi’s box is my favorite it’s simplistic, clean, and fits well as a police box for my opinion
@darkstone2583
2 жыл бұрын
Color wise Whittaker's box is my favorite I do prefer some of the smaller boxes though
@AndyTheRoo
3 ай бұрын
I'm soooo happy that Russell T Davies kept Jodie's exterior for the 60th anniversary and Series 14. Personally it's my favourite, it just looks so clean!!
@djhutchison
3 жыл бұрын
Nice list! I have to say, I've never thought too deeply about the exterior designs of the TARDIS. Seems like most of the attention is on the console room.
@DoctorWhoAdventures
4 жыл бұрын
Great ranking!! I think my favourite might be the very first one :D Also, I recently saw a filming picture that shows 13's TARDIS with the windows fallen in (like they had in the classic era). I never realised that the real-life TARDIS box still did that :o
@CrossoverKid92
4 жыл бұрын
Favourite Tardy Boxes: 1. Movie - The doors look more sunken, the roof signs stick out a bit more and those things just make it look really nice and creepy. (though frankly narrowing down it's actual colour for drawing is a bit of a hassel) 2. Whittaker - It looks so gorgeous. A very welcome change to the same box we had since the start of the new series. The new windows and shape really help make it look almost surreal in a way that i can't explain. 3. RTD era - I love the colour scheme for this one - the faded blue really works and it looks so cool in so many different lights. First time we see it parked by the shop, it just added to the sheer mystery of what was going on
@nlrproductions8106
Жыл бұрын
My favorite police box is the eighth doctor’s from the tv movie. I love the color of blue used and the windows being little different designs with the glass. It fits the eighth doctor’s character the best I think.
@Icelandic_Sand
Жыл бұрын
10 years, and I've NEVER noticed that the War doctor's TARDIS had a classic lamp on top.
@JamSwoosh
Жыл бұрын
My list would probably be quite close to this one! Nice to see the 9th & 10th Doctor's TARDIS box up there, I love it because of nostalgia
@legothoron1
Жыл бұрын
13's tardis has to be one of my favorites, as there's something classic about it
@cyclopsegg4735
3 жыл бұрын
The Hartnell box never lost the St John Ambulance badge, it was just faded, if you look closely you can see it
@NimonBePraised
4 жыл бұрын
Top 3: 1. McGann 2. 80s (Baker/Davison/Baker/McCoy) 3. 1966-1976 exterior
@RiainRamblez
4 жыл бұрын
It always amuses me that the American Movie has a higher quality Police Box prop than most of the British show itself lol
@collsmad
Жыл бұрын
The reason McCoy's TARDIS was a lighter shade of blue is that in The Happiness Patrol it was painted pink then repainted blue.
@awesomefilmsomega5559
4 жыл бұрын
Well, this is a ranking video I didn't know I needed...
I'm really happy with the Jodie box being the new default for now. Glad it's sticking around. Hated her tardis interior but the box is gorgeous. The classic boxes are pretty great across the board, and I'm mixed on the RTD through Moffat boxes because of their size, but my two favourite boxes of all time are McGann's box and Whittaker's box. McGann's is just gorgeous and nicely proportioned and Whittaker's is sleek with nice intricate details that don't feel too complicated. Also I just have a preference for the blue lamp
@SadJBomb
Жыл бұрын
unrelated but the way i explain to myself that the tardis changes (and how it seems to line up with the doctor regenerating) is that the regeneration energy gives the chameleon circuit or sort of kick and powers it enough to change the exterior slightly enough and maybe even the exterior mirroring the new doctors personality is from the regeneration energy sort of manifesting the doctor within the circuit
@mellojoe9421
7 ай бұрын
The best tardis’ are of course the 6th doctor’s tardis(as he’s the only doctor to ever actually attempt to fix the chameleon circuit.) and the happiness patrol pink tardis.
@RobUnplanned_
4 жыл бұрын
The thing with Matt Smith’s TARDIS being plastic-ie I understand why it looks like that, mainly because it was sort of technically the first season in HD. And understanding other TV shows and productions going to HD was a completely different ball park to make things “look good”. It wasn’t bad it was just a look for the era. But it got refined a but more with Capaldi and the lighting of that was really cool.
@MichaelWebb_Psyco-Bob
4 жыл бұрын
There is an aspect to your Number 5 entry Jodie Whittaker's Tardis that never gets mentioned. From the exterior look at the glass panel above the doors, from the outside it reads "POLICE PUBLIC CALL BOX" as it does on all other versions of the TARDIS but if you go inside & look at the same panel Jodie's TARDIS is the only one where the writing can still be read properly with the words appearing the correct way around, on all other versions of the TARDIS the words are reversed on the inside as they should be.
@80sPortal
Жыл бұрын
I love the fifth doctors tardis the most because it was the first to look like an accurate police box, plus the dimensions are much closer than the current models
@fdr8343
2 жыл бұрын
I just can’t wait until you get to compare the old RTD era and then new RTD era!
@doctormodder
Жыл бұрын
I like 13's exterior the most and just something about it just stands out from the rest, I just wish the interior looked just as amazing. (I don't mind it as much as everyone else does, but it's no Moffat console room or even the TV Movie console room).
@TheWhovinerd-1963
4 жыл бұрын
Me personally I think my favourite exteriors are 1. Matt Smith's tardis exterior (because is tardis blue) 2. Jodie Whittakers tardis exterior (Idk really I just love it) 3. Peter capaldis tardis exterior 4. David tenants tardis exterior (horrible colour) 5. Tom bakers 2nd tardis exterior 6. Peter Davidson's tardis exterior 7. Sylvester McCoy's tardis exterior(too cartoony) 8. Paul McGann's tardis exterior (just looks weird and u hardly see it) 9. John pertwee tardis exterior 10. William hartnell tardis exterior
@theunknowneditor63
4 жыл бұрын
My favourite design is the Whittaker box.
@theimmortalgamer1453
4 жыл бұрын
About time ace creeper uploaded in 1080p
@DCSMedia
4 жыл бұрын
My ranking: 1. 1st Doctor box (1963-1966) 2. 4th/5th/6th/7th Doctor box (1980-1989) 3. 8th Doctor box (1996) 4. 11th/12th Doctor box (2010-2017) 5. 13th Doctor Box (2018-present) 6. 1st/2nd/3rd/4th Doctor box (1966-1976) 7. 4th Doctor box (1976-1980) 8. 9th/10th Doctor box (2005-2010)
@randömfiish
4 жыл бұрын
The Baker Shada TARDIS is easily my.. second favorite? i like the stranger sizes of it, adds some quirk!
@nervie2843
4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely adore the Shada box because of its size on window colours
@Silverwind87
3 жыл бұрын
You forgot the time the TARDIS briefly turned into a tombstone then an organ when the Sixth Doctor tried to fix the chameleon circuit. ... I'd put those at the bottom.
@supertna9154
3 жыл бұрын
Smith’s box looks the same as the one used in the Peter Cushing films back in the 1960s.
@Swaglander
4 жыл бұрын
What no way!!! I love the smith box so much
@isaacsatar9304
2 жыл бұрын
Your ranking is fine but in my opinion the capaldi box is best because I think the colour is perfec,t the light is a nice bright colour and my favourite part is the windows because most of the windows are darker than his and this makes it look ultimately nicer to look at . The back part on the window is in a T shape which is nice because it looks like it stands for TARDIS.That is mainly why I love it.
@90sArchive
4 жыл бұрын
I think I agree with this ranking completely
@davidmckirdy4063
4 жыл бұрын
What about the Peter Cushing police box I love that one and the brakahi box and the mcgann TARDIS .
@jimtheperson.4999
Жыл бұрын
I like the Jodie tardis box The windows are a consistent colour whether lit up on or unlit
@LordGeorgeRodney
9 ай бұрын
Hated Eccleston/Tennent box - still do. It should be 9 in front of Baker's Shada TARDIS which just as terrible. The best looking was McGann's.
@CyberDoctor-tc8tc
4 жыл бұрын
My favourite is the capaldi variant with the blue windows your (7)
@TARDIS_TEAM
4 жыл бұрын
I agree the Brachacki Tardis of the Pertwee era is gorgeous, have you seen the season 18-19 Tardis specifically?
@10thdoctor15
4 жыл бұрын
Mine (nothing to do with nostalgia, just how and why I like them): 1. Chris/David 2. Jodie 3. Hurt 4. Matt/Peter (same) 5+ Classics
@bahkbar5615
4 жыл бұрын
loving the intro
@HugoGojibiter
2 жыл бұрын
I think your issue with the Smith colour probably isn’t that it’s darker, as I’m pretty sure the previous once are almost always a darker shade. I think it’s more likely you dislike that it’s more vibrant
@Scaroth1979
3 жыл бұрын
The hartnell box will always be my favorite
@nigelwalker6103
4 жыл бұрын
For me the McGann exterior is probably the best but I also like the Whitaker exterior (shame about the console room.) I do like the Eccleston/Tennant version too. Next the original Hartnell version and after that the 80s version. Last the 2nd Tom Baker version.
@SteamLance
4 жыл бұрын
I've had my picture taken next to what might be one of the Whittaker Tardis props, at BBC Salford, seems I'm about halfway up the bottom window in terms of height. Loved seeing it though and the NSD props
@tinykemper2561
4 жыл бұрын
You are indeed a wiser man now
@DanTheMan2150AD
4 жыл бұрын
Still can’t believe you only included The Doctor’s Tardis and didn’t put The Master’s grandfather clock TARDIS at number 1. Great video btw, relatively new to your channel, so hiya.
@woozleproductions9760
4 жыл бұрын
The Whittaker box is my all-time favourite.
@goblin457
4 жыл бұрын
Wow I agree mostly but I'd put the McCoy/McGann box in 2 and the original as number 1 I don't really like your number 1 choice the roof stack doesn't do it for me far to removed from what it was based on
@James_Mansbridge
Жыл бұрын
I really like the original Hartnell box, as well as the McGann box. Both attempt to make the box look as if it were made out of concrete, which the real police boxes were made out of. I wish that the New Series would stop referring to the TARDIS as wooden.
@fatmariothethird468
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite exterior in the 11th doctor's.
@jakejones2349
4 жыл бұрын
The TARDIS changes its look just like the Doctor.
@robertbush7530
4 жыл бұрын
This has given me a thought, surely the tardis exterior should maintain a consistent look since it cant change form etc. However it still technically does. Just strange to think about
@ms.antithesis
4 жыл бұрын
Never thought someone beside me cares XD I like jodies best, although I hate her interior, seconded by the boxy 3rd doctor exterior. If they made the 1966-1976 tardis, with the jodie Tardis's colour scheme and intractable detail, with the movie Tardis's police public call box font, and the dark blue sign,that would make it perfect for me.
@williamantcliff7133
4 жыл бұрын
Woah why is 13's TARDIS so far down in this list? Her TARDIS's exterior is easily the best of them for me!
@glenmcculla6843
4 жыл бұрын
It's my second fave, after the McGann TVM one. Oh, OK - maybe they're joint first place.:)
@TheWhovinerd-1963
4 жыл бұрын
For me mine is Matt Smith's and he makes me angry when he says it looks like a toy , I always prefer when the tardis is a darker shade of blue I'll admit I love jodies it looks beautiful it's a beautiful kind of turquoise colour I love it so jodies is who I'd put ahead of Matt's and capaldis xx
@theletterb4789
4 жыл бұрын
Because it’s his opinion 1:45
@TheWhovinerd-1963
4 жыл бұрын
@@theletterb4789 , so I don't care if it is it's not an excuse xx
@theletterb4789
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheWhovinerd-1963 it’s not a excuse it’s his opinion. It does not have to be yours, but you don’t need to be need to be mean to him because of it. Would you like it if I was rude to you because of your opinion?
@AndrewChapman
4 жыл бұрын
I didn't mind the Baker TARDIS when it had the normal light on top. But didn't care much when they replaced it with a blue siren. Anyways, my updated ranking:- 11) Dalek movies TARDIS 10) 1976-1980 Baker TARDIS (even though Tom Baker is my favourite Doctor) 09) 2013 Hurt TARDIS 08) 2005-2010 Eccleston-Tennant TARDIS 07) 1980-1989 Baker-McCoy TARDIS 06) 1996 McGann TARDIS 05) 2010-2014 Smith TARDIS 04) 2014-2017 Capaldi TARDIS 03) 2018-Present Whittaker TARDIS 02) 1966-1976 Hartnell-Baker TARDIS 01) 1963-1966 Hartnell TARDIS Still glad I've had the pleasure of seeing a real police box at the Crich Tramway Village in the Peak District.
@liambray1436
4 жыл бұрын
Hi there Ace Creeper love your videos I would love to see you do an updated Tardis interior video with Jo Martin's Ruth Doctor Tardis interior included as I would love to know your opinions of the new classic interior for the Ruth Doctor as well as to see weather you have changed your mind on the order of your Tardis interior rankings and I am sure that a lot of other people would love to hear your opinions on the new classic Ruth Doctor interior as well or at the very least you could just do a standalone video on the new classic Ruth Doctor interior and possibly exterior as well just you giving your opinions on it and showing what you like and do not like about it but even if you don't do a video it is just a suggestion so keep up the good work Ace and cannot wait for your next video.
@tTaseric
4 жыл бұрын
Personally, i think the best is the 13th Doctor's Tardis. I wasn't a fan of 11's Tardis, it just felt too big and the colours seemed a bit obnoxious, as if it was only designed to be easily created as a toy. 10's Tardis was great and iconic, although i do think it's a little overrated, and it really doesn't seem "unique" at all anymore, it's just seems like the 'default tardis' rather than 'Tennant's Tardis' 12's Tardis was just a much better version of 11's Tardis, it felt very "modern" compared to the other Tardis exteriors. 13's Tardis has a very unique colour scheme, i really love the lighter, more cyan looking colour. The black pull-to-open sign is much better than the others, although i'd prefer the hinges to be on the other side as it does seem a little out of place, although there's probably a reason for that change. The orange glow of the windows is sooo good, especially when it activates when she touched the Tardis in the Season 12 finale. It definitely fits with the visuals of Season 11 and 12 much more than any other Tardis would. I think the "definitive" exterior would be 10's Tardis, although the best design is 13's.
@astrosleep9625
4 жыл бұрын
Can we have some more ytps or a costume ranking tho baker will inevitably be last
@ricardodafonseca8502
4 жыл бұрын
My top 3 exteriors are 1.capaldies 2.smiths 3.tennrnts
@jedisalsohere
4 жыл бұрын
I really like the turquoise on 13's.
@standardgrapes
4 жыл бұрын
My favourite is 12's and second favourite is 13's
@matthewduncan8523
4 жыл бұрын
Tbh I never see much difference between them. All of it seems to be just lighting and camera quality more than actual exterior changes a lot of the time
@westbromdude
4 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 16k!
@gbsheard
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jaccw4625
4 жыл бұрын
I just watched a bloke ramble on about TARDIS designs that have barely changed that much over 57 years for 19 years
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