7:53 its nice to see someone else with billions of hours also double click a rig to inspect only to open the bloody thing lmao that gave me a nice little chuckle because I do it all the time
@inportrace
3 ай бұрын
4500 h here, i still do it too xD
@ThatOneCWhite
3 ай бұрын
yeah third wipe and i still do it. would be nice if we get an option in the settings menu similar to consumption of items with double clicks
@gustl1177
3 ай бұрын
5k+ hrs. doing it too.
@nawlfr
3 ай бұрын
@@ThatOneCWhitethird wipe lol
@PapaEchoX2
2 ай бұрын
Even worse now is right clicking to inspect an item and having the stupid add to wishlist option show up over the inspect option.
@Joe-kl4vu
3 ай бұрын
You’ve become the best info resource in the game
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
appreciate that
@CulturedDegenerate
3 ай бұрын
Always has been
@elliott4109
3 ай бұрын
And always will be
@Machoman50ta
3 ай бұрын
That’s because everyone stopped playing only players left rats and cheaters lmao😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@niewiarygodny6853
3 ай бұрын
15:07 I see 2 ways to make it work. 1. Add vital spots, where hitting non vital spot deals less %. So even if there is gap in thorax, but you got it 1/2 cm from where thorax start, you do not get full dmg. That would also finnally make sense vs Naked Scavs or Naked PMC, cause it's not good that we have to shoot them at least 2 times in throax to kill them with "normal" ammo. 2. Add grazing mechanic. So a bit similar to what i said above, if you got grazed by bullet, you should not get full dmg. Whats more some effect to grazing Ear/Head could be added aswell.
@pharethi1241
3 ай бұрын
Exactly this should've been solution path to go for BSG, instead of taking three steps back and going back to more casual side work towards further deepening this mechanic. Currently that armor system was not working properly because armor's purpose was to protect vital organs, not entire body part. While in Tarkov no matter where you land your shots, from game perspective it's all fair game and counts the same way. Only difference is how high pen ammo can penetrate first body part hitbox and hit the next one.
@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289
3 ай бұрын
@@pharethi1241 Wait is that a thing now? Can high pen ammo overpenetrate through limbs? Like if you shoot someone in the arm it can pass into their thorax?
@mikedebakker5820
3 ай бұрын
@@pharethi1241 More simplistic does not equal more casual, neither armor system was "more casual" than one another. But if they wanted to go with the overcomplication route, then they should've also overcomplicated the health system from the get go. Because the way it has been right now just doesn't make any sense from both a realism and game ballance perspective.
@Quillyik
Ай бұрын
yeah, they should have stuck with the more realistic gaps in armor, and just changed the health system to accomodate for it. Sure it's silly to die to 2 hits in the shoulder, but it's more silly for people to run around as if they're invulnerable tanks.
@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289
Ай бұрын
@@Quillyik If they had changed the health system it probably would be like 4-6 shots to the shoulder to kill roughly since it isn’t a vital region. That is still miles better than it is now where unless you’re using M62 Tracer or Sig Hybrid you’re time to kill is around 10 rounds
@MegaNelsonX
3 ай бұрын
they should completelly remove lateral protection for those armors that don't have lateral plates, dosn't make sense for balancing purposes that a slick can protect the same areas and is more lighter than the thor exemple.
@Gunner8_
3 ай бұрын
With everyone having high pen ammo and the best armor it is hard to tell how this will turn out. Personally with the recoil change I don't mind extending the TTK. However, when wipe comes around we are going to get juggernauts again.
@Justin-is4jy
3 ай бұрын
Would you find it acceptable for you to shoot someone 10 times with m62 and they don't die? Or 25 rounds of pbp and the person doesn't die. Running meta doesn't matter with this update.
@Gunner8_
3 ай бұрын
@Justin-is4jy If you hit thorax you will still 3-5 shot level 6 with m62 I'm pretty sure. Can you still craft m61 because that's even better? That will 2-3 shot. Like he said smgs will suffer but you are trading armor pen for lower recoil (so head shots or leg meta). Like I said it is too early to make a conclusion.
@isaiahwilliams4789
3 ай бұрын
@@Gunner8_ post recoil rework that was fine, now almost all calibers are easy to control so it makes smgs and pistols useless again. Not to mention the fact that good ammo is hard to come by without max traders so they're back to being pea shooters. I don't see how people hated armor being realistic when they're playing tarkov which is dubbed one of the most realistic shooters out there. God forbid someone without a meta round kill them through a rigs weak spots like they would irl. Vests/rigs aren't there to make you invincible for so many rounds, they're there to protect your vitals so when you do get hit you have a higher chance to live. It felt good being able to use m855 and other rounds, but now we're back to high pen metta that beginners or low levels wont have access to.
@Gunner8_
3 ай бұрын
@@isaiahwilliams4789 You are correct. The only problem with the realistic armor system is that the hit points are gameafied. The reason armor is shaped like that is to protect your organs. Getting shot in an important organ is an off switch, getting shot in the side of the armpit from the front is not immediate. Realistic armor like they had would work really good if the heath system was complex like Gray Zone Warfare, but it is not in tarkov. I don't care about a game being realistic or not I just want it to be fun, but realism is a cool secondary if it is implemented properly. Yes I agree there will have to be balancing changes with ammo now that the armor is better again.
@Justin-is4jy
3 ай бұрын
@@Gunner8_ well I hit 10 shots middle mass didn't kill the guy
@britishbeef4890
3 ай бұрын
They should have a vitals which is covered by plates which takes full damage and a torso area which takes only like 35% damage
@mn1907
3 ай бұрын
They should keep (new old system with smaller plate) just add Critical Thorax box inside current thorax size of plate. You keep realism and people do not die in random shots
@Pneuma777
3 ай бұрын
Finally someone who gets timers and switches. I think GZW does a good job with this, would be cool to see more depth to the player health system
@DeathDeclined
3 ай бұрын
Even tho the armor update feels good but it still doesnt feel like this is the answer, we basically just went back to OG system but even a little more tanky then the OG... BSG shouldn't stop here IMO something still needs to be done.
@alfariziislam3796
3 ай бұрын
Og system? Isnt the side plate mechanic different now?
@vali69
3 ай бұрын
They should have changed the body hitboxes instead of the armor because for some reason getting shot in the sholder is still the same as getting shot in the heart/lung area.
@tobyFOTS
3 ай бұрын
It's still better than the original. If you get shot in your back it doesn't touch your front plate hp, where before it was a shared hp pool so your armour would be shot for the rest of the raid.
@jarjarjarjar3981
3 ай бұрын
I wish they added an inner thorax hitbox to come along with the armor update. Like yeah, it sucks to get shot in the shoulder with 7.62x54 but I wouldn't instantly die to it either.
@АндрейМочалов-щ9р
3 ай бұрын
@@tobyFOTS how is it better? this makes armor tank even more then it used to and cause very unpredictable high ttk that you cannot rely on. making high pen ammo even more meta again. soon everyone will cry about high pen ammo meta like they did befor armor rework.
@SpongeBoss
3 ай бұрын
Dude, the visual breakdown? Highly appreciated ❤🎉
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
Glad it helped!
@edlopez2861
3 ай бұрын
I heavily agree. I would love to see them implement a health syst like GrayZone into the game. I think it would be GREAT if they would start test servers with some various options of health systems, armor, and ammo to help refine the game.
@psychoticrunner5901
3 ай бұрын
sight over bore, thats why bullets hit diff spots from the spot your scope was on
@lewiddy336
3 ай бұрын
The fact that the SPT realism mod already had vitals hitboxes since like two years ago
@bigchunk7246
3 ай бұрын
how does that work? when i watch people play it the ttk seems soo much better despite the ammo used
@lewiddy336
3 ай бұрын
@@bigchunk7246 the realism mod lowers the damage taken to the torso by a certain percent, but increases it more if it hits certain hotboxes that roughly correspond with heart and spine
@Time2GetSweaty
3 ай бұрын
That's nice, anyways.
@KiddBuu_
3 ай бұрын
SPT is playing a completely different ball game when it comes to adding things. They have a bunch of things that the live game has to deal with that SPT does not.
@mrkleenupguy5781
3 ай бұрын
Modders also don’t need to worry about making drastic changes to a live game that their livelihood depends on
@FullySteazed
3 ай бұрын
Breakdown is legendary man, appreciate the crazy fast and in depth info on these new updates would be clueless without community dudes like yourself brothaaaa!
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
Glad to help
@FullySteazed
3 ай бұрын
@@Airwingmarine 🤝
@zeburgerkang
3 ай бұрын
i saved your music playlist and now i play it at work in my new job in phone repairs.
@HellDuke-
3 ай бұрын
My guess the favorite is what we've been asking for: when you loot stuff in the raid, you get a highlight for items that you are looking for. My guess is there will be a different color depending on which favorite it is. So you could say that you want something to use as gear, so it will have a blue outline like in the screenshot. Let's say a quest item might have a red outline so you know you want to get out with it alive. For hideouts you want something as an upgrade so you don't care and barter I'd say you mark it that you want it for a barter. Basically you pick whatever the hell you want and the only difference would be the outline colour.
@Moriibund419
3 ай бұрын
I think it will be this but instead of an outline it will be a small icon like the FiR check mark
@angryvaginasfromspace7718
3 ай бұрын
man does live tarkov feel archaic compared to modded SPT (google BetterCheckmarks mod)
@taupathfinder657
3 ай бұрын
I'm not some kind of medical professional but wouldn't a simple adition of more hitboxes to those critical areas make it more realistic like we have the damage reduction if I remember correctly for when your limbs are blacked out you could simply make more hitboxes some skaling the damage by idk 100% so you get 1 or 2 shoted in the vital organ region while the edges like sholders etc are rediuced or stay the same and maby always cause bleads when you hit them
@ThrdCardofDeath
3 ай бұрын
It probably means you can mark it as different types of favorites like the master file set for the hideouts, quest for fuel conditioners. Slim diaries as barter etc
@wilhelmhetrick8948
3 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I said they should have done day one of wipe. But if BSG ever did make a realistic health system and the realistic plates together it would be fucking awesome.
@lickingawindow3060
3 ай бұрын
Love how you summarize everything! Thanks for saving me from endlessly googling and scrolling to find all this!
@natchaponejanjon8045
3 ай бұрын
I always appreciate the level of dedication and detail you put in your videos
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for that!
@xMaverickFPS
3 ай бұрын
I might have to cop GZW when it gets more content. Would be cool if BSG pulled an ABI and just copied GZW's health mechanic, but I feel like the hate train would dogpile on that.
@Crzhbbt
3 ай бұрын
14:58 to 15:16, everything is said ! it's a perfect simple explanation for anybody saying the plate system was the best update. Thanks for the quality, the way you try, show and explain the things is exactly what we need to improve this game. I really hope BSG will listen peoples like you ! keep going !!
@dibingsdibingens8463
3 ай бұрын
I said it many times already and i'll say it again: Additional inner hitboxes for the thorax, basically vitals. Makes much more sense to me than fumbling back and forth with armor-changes.
@isaiahwilliams4789
3 ай бұрын
Hopefully this is just a temporary thing until they rework the health system and add vitals and whatnot. I enjoyed being able to use a wide variety of weapons with lvl 3 ammo and have fun. I also hope they give us back some of the more high pen ammo that they changed when the update dropped since we're back to tanking shots. They teased a realistic armor system for a while and everyone loved it/wanted it, then we got the update and people died to rounds the vest/plate DIDNT cover and complained until they reverted back, crazy right? Whether y'all like it not the majority does play tarkov for its realism, so enough with the "its a game, its not supposed to be realistic" stuff please, I don't see how y'all could like armor protecting areas it shouldn't, armor isn't something you throw on expecting it to protect your ENTIRE upper/lower torso, its there to protect your vitals from a frontal or rear shot, some offer side plates/soft armor too. If a plate carrier doesn't protect you're upper middle chest, THEN GETTING SHOT THERE SHOULD BE VITAL! Now we have MAGIC INVISIBLE armor protecting said places, how cool righttt? If I shoot you side on, those bullets are going to slip into your chest and kill you, but not anymore because that much realism was too hard to swallow, so back to W keying with meta-armor and absorbing bullets. "Just click heads".. If I'm being forced to aim for the head in a realism shooter... that's bad. Adding a more in depth health system would've been 100x better than simply reverting back to an even worse state. Now give me the usual "Join the military" comments that'll just further prove my point. At the end of the day slow paced realism beats a warzone playstyle.
@Rikushio17
3 ай бұрын
I've been saying since 2018 tarkov needs vitals hit boxes like those old Buck Hunter games.
@PedroRamirez-nw6kt
3 ай бұрын
I personally think the new armor update is more suited for Arena gameplay. Haven’t played long enough to experience the “tankiness” so I dont know how I feel about it yet. Thanks Airwing for the breakdown. 👏🏼
@grimreapaa4802
3 ай бұрын
Very interesting to see how a more realistic system in a "realistic" game is limited by its less realistic RPG counterpart mechanic. It seems as though the only way to get to this answer was by finding out what didn't work. Dang, I can see the frustration players might have with a lack of consistency but at the same time this is clearly a "we tried and found the limits" situation. How you wrapped up the end really sold me on that - good video.
@osscar-nh2vm
3 ай бұрын
I initially wanted vital hitboxes as a more "complicated yet realistic" solution to this, but this system also works what it intends to do. Thank you for all your testings! Time to stock up on some SAS drive barter plates :D
@47575344
3 ай бұрын
your the #1 mechanic tuber, im really glad they changed the plates, ive been 1 tapped by scavs 1 too many times in the thorax, it was driving me nuts, even while wearing teir 6 plates and zabrolos
@Scouter5050
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, exactly the same. PVE drove me mad because of scavs one tapping
@47575344
3 ай бұрын
@@Scouter5050 back in the day it was head eyes every other raid then it was armpit or neck lol
@Scouter5050
3 ай бұрын
@@47575344 Exactly thats what im saying
@newbonko
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your extremely high effort breakdown and news coverage. Your content is incredible and always gets me wanting to play again.
@Gl0Ck_Dookie
3 ай бұрын
Casual player currently lvl 50, I have 30+ lvl 6 plates sitting in my stash, kinda do think it should only be a craft after a ragman quest and get 2 plates every 7-9 hrs, im never gonna run out of lvl 6 lmao
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
If you are level 50 you aren't casual....
@Gl0Ck_Dookie
3 ай бұрын
@@Airwingmarine it’s months into wipe, playing 4-5hrs like 5 days out of the week, that’s pretty casual imo, and the event questlines gave ALOT of xp
@vali69
3 ай бұрын
Chad over here thinks he's a casual
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
@@Gl0Ck_Dookie Legit dude, not trying to insult you, but that's not casual... LOL
@Gl0Ck_Dookie
3 ай бұрын
@@vali69 flattered to be called a chad lmao this is only my second wipe, secret to the game is having a steady duo partner, first wipe only hit lvl 18
@KiddBuu_
3 ай бұрын
Go back to old new armor, but have an inner and outer thorax hit box. The inner thorax would be covered by armor, and the outer thorax wouldn’t be. When outer thorax is blacked, it should send %25 of the damage it receives to the inner thorax, or whatever percentage would feel best. That would be a lot more simple than going in and adding vital organs/hit boxes inside of the body that’ll further complicate Tarkov’s already questionable hitboxes.
@mouzich
3 ай бұрын
Totally agreed regarding everything about armor system. I quit the game before unheard scam simply because of how ridiculous game was with that armor system, now planning on coming back soon.
@michaelsilvester8663
3 ай бұрын
Another great video, keeping the community informed as always 👍 keep up the good work AWM
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@revoke1
3 ай бұрын
You and gigabeef are the goats when it comes to this stuff. Well done
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
I like giga too, even if he is a weirdo brit who like beans and toast
@revoke1
3 ай бұрын
@@Airwingmarine 😂
@milo9199
3 ай бұрын
Always love your videos man
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
Glad you like them!
@lautaroonorato7505
Ай бұрын
a little bit late to the video but personally i liked the armor system they introduced before this change. Made the game more "realistic" in a way, you didnt have to be a complete no-lifer and unlock the highest tier ammo to compete with chads, and it punished players who thought they were good because their armor used to carry them which was always funny to see. Of course it needed some tweaks because, as you said, it rendered a lot of the rigs and vests useless, however i don't think going back to the previous system was the best idea. Personally, I think that the best course of action was to give each vest and rig their own hitbox according to the 3D model of the vest, that way not only it would have been easier for players to tell where they were protected, but also it would have made some vests like the Trooper viable again. Smaller rigs should have been reworked as well, reducing their weight as you pointed out in the video. The downside of this change was that giving each and every single rig/body armor a unique hitbox would have been a tedious task for BSG, and probably would affect performance as well. I hope one day we get a refined version of the hitbox system we had, instead of making everyone with level 6 armor almost unkillable lol.
@MisterChubz
3 ай бұрын
You are the most straightforward tarkov streamer and I love it
@EricTungCom
3 ай бұрын
To echo what's been said, unless they move to a damage model similar to Gray Zone I think this is a great improvement. I'm the most excited for more armors being viable.
@Doomfruit
3 ай бұрын
The Greyzone vital organ system would be great with the revised armor, before these backpedals. edit: as you highlighted in the video
@ZenosKon
24 күн бұрын
Love the conclusion! Agree that the health system is not compatible with realistic amor ! ❤
@xkastl3z
3 ай бұрын
After many hours of gameplay on the new system, This is a huge W! It works signiicantly better IMO. I am no longer dying one shot to thorax. I love it and feels great overall!
@torry2
3 ай бұрын
Its simple. Add a hitbox for the lungs/heart inside the thorax. This new hotbox has its own health pool and when it hits zero, you die. The thorax now becomes like the stomach hitbox where zeroing it does not cause death but damage to a black thorax propagates damage to other parts. Now the smaller plates can protect this inner hitbox with gaps in the plates that wont always result in a bullshit death. Getting killed around the plates was happening too often and a change was needed, but this wasnt it. Being able to use any gun and it being viable this wipe was super refreshing. I have more smg kills this wipe than assault rifle kills. Now we are gonna be back to everyone running the same 3 assault rifles and dmrs
@АндрейМочалов-щ9р
3 ай бұрын
Yep. it would be a way to solve the issues and keep the cool system. A lot of players returned to the game this wipe and kept playing for a long time, because they were not feeling obsolete with their PS ammo after a mounth into a wipe. I have a teammate who play not very much and still is around 2 level of traders. He doesnt even have BT or m856a1 unlocked. With that update its pretty much game over for him. Headshot only or fuck right off and play another game. I wounder what will he choose.
@dakota9821
3 ай бұрын
@@АндрейМочалов-щ9р Sadge
@rutherfordthebrave2516
3 ай бұрын
Interesting idea, but we already have bad lag, desync, and other things. How would you implement this in a way that keeps calculation times down? You can add all these "simple" solutions, but what you're asking for is going to be more resource intensive. Since it's simple, how would you ensure optimization and performance remains the same with this addition you're proposing?
@АндрейМочалов-щ9р
3 ай бұрын
@@rutherfordthebrave2516 its the same as having a small armpits hitboxes
@torry2
3 ай бұрын
@@rutherfordthebrave2516 they added new hitboxes for front plate, back plate, left, right, throat, upper back, lower back, etc. If they can do that, they can add one more and it won't tank performance
@everydaysomegameplay
3 ай бұрын
0:49 I think this is just giving items a icon (like the FIR icon) so you can favorite things before you go into raid. For example its day 1 of wipe and you go to the wiki to find the FIR needed items for all the quests, you just mark all the items with the quest icon so u know you need to get those for a quest sometime in the future. Same for hideout items, i have 6k hours but i always forget stuff like an awl or toiletpaper is needed so i can just mark it and it will show that mark in raid.
@Auzzireacts
3 ай бұрын
commenting to help!! ^>^ thanks for the content as always
@Lithane97
3 ай бұрын
I love the idea of the realistic armor system, but you are 100% correct that it is completely pointless to have realistic armor modeling if the VITALS are not actually what causes death. I guess we need a realistic organ model to go along with it or something lol.
@spickey5378
3 ай бұрын
Bro I would fucking love a top to bottom overhaul of the health system with the Armor system last update
@HalfbitShirlock
3 ай бұрын
The plate hitbox coverage is probably the same in-game as what they showed us for the new update. What I suspect they changed (which is causing the magic full-torso armor effect) is the hitbox priority. So I'm saying that now, when a projectile hits a player, the game is preffering armor hitboxes over body hitboxes, even when a projectile hits a body hitbox first.
@CrunchyTurd
3 ай бұрын
Getting shot is not optimal. I enjoy placing a shot outside the plate. Feels more real. My suggestion has always been add a vitals box behind plates, hp like head. The rest of the thorax should spill over and a %, amount of spill would have to be experimental but 50% could be a start.
@CrunchyTurd
3 ай бұрын
Armor being true to model was something I looked forward too. Gameified is a great way to describe the health. I would rather the health changed over the armor. Hopefully this is just a test. I would like to see arm death not happen, maybe up the heavy bleed penalty and a point where surgery doesn't repair it.
@TennessseTimmy
3 ай бұрын
DayZ had hitboxes for internal organs like heart and brain. The configs are still there but they disabled the damage to these hitboxes. There is no way or communicating heart hits or heart deaths, which makes it a bad feature, probably why they disabled it, because players would complain about inconsistent hit detection and damage
@thegoodlife167
3 ай бұрын
keep up the hustle airwingchamp
@eddiemundedboy5280
3 ай бұрын
It's a good point that a realistic armor system doesn't work when the health system doesn't compliment it. I never thought about it that way.
@Elvy3358
3 ай бұрын
Airmarine : Im gonna spend some hours learning about this new plate system and help people with it BSG : *changes armor system similary to what it was before* Airmarine : Here we go again
@scholae8746
3 ай бұрын
Great info as always Airwingmarine! While I thought the new armor system needed work, this isn't it. They should have just removed the giant arm pit hit box from the front and kept the sides more open, fixed bugs with the new system and tweaked it, fixed AI to actually aim not beam open spots or head. Maybe even give us more thorax hp or add in a real vital system. I don't know I'm not a dev. Just did a raid this morning its basically the old system, Now its back to easily swinging Timmy's while they smack my giant plate with m855 and I murder them. At the very least the old way made me use cover and placement more and most ammo was an actual threat. Felt like it punished me for wild plays if I wasn't careful because if someone is firing center mass there was always a chance they would catch my upper chest or throat. Now its up to collar bone and the leveling Rat race begins again. Oh well, they have PVE now if they cant hack it online lmao
@AirsoftJunky74
3 ай бұрын
Prefer the true to plate size method
@diandryrojas8218
3 ай бұрын
Hey man I love your videos, they always keep me in the loop and you do a great job testing and relaying that information to us!
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
Glad you like them!
@taki_exe1750
3 ай бұрын
my mainly deaf in my right ear the sound is to low and flat so the little that i can hear i cant even register anything else makes it tuff to play arena and other extraction shooters have a nice bass to player movement when they arent walking and directional sound can be registered easier allowing me to feel less handicapped and enjoy the game
@conflictvideo3014
3 ай бұрын
I hope this help with the algorithm
@sweetbeef8562
3 ай бұрын
I feel this maybe a temp fix. Probably just hoping 1.0 has a different health system. But i understand that's asking a lot.
@DefaultKnight
3 ай бұрын
Its likely a tool you can use to highlight stuff you need for your hideout, quests, and just stuff you want in general.
@uffeuffe293
3 ай бұрын
So at that close distance the muzzle is way below your crosshair, you will always be shooting 3-5 inches lower than what your crosshair indicates
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
Which is why I have the laser on the side so I have two points of reference. I've shot several thousand rounds in testing by now. I know how it works.
@apfelobias5703
3 ай бұрын
Thank u for ur work and testing. Its very helpfull ❤
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for the support!
@BlinchixOfRivia
3 ай бұрын
The biggest thing that this patch did is make so many plate carriers viable. Now I can finally use my beloved tv-110 or the CPC without getting blasted in the collarbone
@fernandoferraz3527
3 ай бұрын
Reality balances itself. Bsg make vitals a thing an being back realistic hitboxes
@CoolSilver
3 ай бұрын
Basement guy makes a lot of wacky shorts on bsg yt
@schmiddy8433
3 ай бұрын
I think front plate should only cover front. Side plates should cover the full side, but overall I'm personally not a fan of people being tankier. I think tarkov should move to organ hitboxes with damage multipliers and leave the plates with their complex geometry. Non-organ torso hits can deal reduced damage (like 0.6 or 0.7x) and organ hits like lungs or heart could do 1.3 or 1.5x. The whole reason armor felt useless in many cases is because it doesn't serve the primary purpose it does in real life: covering organs. I think it would be fine to oversize all plates by a standard multiplier (ex. 20% larger than actual model) so ensure it's actually giving good coverage, and maybe even undersize the organs, but there should still be weak spots imo.
@Drebin-8427
3 ай бұрын
I think armor needs to stay the way it is *or* add a 'vital organ' system like Rising Storm has as well as the ability to revive team mates that die from non-head chest shots assuming you have some sort of (currently non existent) revive kit
@BlindxSide
3 ай бұрын
They should revert this armor change. It's made players tanky again with 90% of bullets useless again. Armor was totally fine where it was before this change.
@isaiahwilliams4789
3 ай бұрын
yeah, but streamers or people who spent days without touching grass for high level stuff couldn't stand the realism so they complained every time they W keyed and died to a bullet that DIDNT hit the PLATE killing them. Now its back to high pen metta with even LESS access to good rounds for the average player and much tankier rigs/vests. Sad day for the average joe that has better things to do than grind tarkov for hours daily.
@scottik
3 ай бұрын
Great video! I’d rather BSG ditch the plate system, I already spend too much time in my stash
@kianthatcher754
3 ай бұрын
i hate this what was the point of the changes if they just remove them just have vitals simple as
@Darkstar198
3 ай бұрын
Does this mean I can actually spinbot my way out of death to center mass, seeing how no one can slip through plates anymore? I mean, think about it: This is literally how armor works in MechWarrior with the only "slip through" point to instant destruction is the tiny cockpit. Are we gonna normalize people doing COD things where their immediate reaction to getting surprised is to spaz out and try to use all of their armor angles to survive?
@theaudacity496
3 ай бұрын
+1 For the algorithm, thanks airwing
@peterwarner2868
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video, it was really informative. I just wanna mediate the debate here a little and say the game is supposed to be realistic as playable/doable for the devs, and the hitbox system, while not realistic, at least achieved the function of making the other ammo types at least a little more useful, even if it's by luck.. Like with the health system, the armor system is ALSO gameified to all hell, and makes 90% of the ammo in the game useless past early-wipe, so it was imo completely fair to have an unrealistic health system to balance that out. If we can't have the hitbox system, I think there are at least some other solutions that could help balance the game out between people with lives and no-life chads(I don't mean this as an insult btw, I actually find chads pretty cool and appreciate their skill/prowess). Potential Compromises I Think Should be Considered IMO: 1) Increase blunt damage with the penetration value of armor. While not a 1:1 realistic, it at least SIMULATES the idea of backface deformation to a degree, and allows mid-tier ammo like PP and SOST to be more viable since their penetration is just beneath the threshold for many armors(i.e. they should do a good amount of blunt damage in contrast to ammo like PS or FMJ) Example of Backface deformation with m855a1 and m995: kzitem.info/news/bejne/kWmH4HewmoGopoo 2)Buff armor damage values for all ammo without touching penetration. What I mean is make common ammo zero armor quicker, but still not penetrate. At least here it might take 10-15 less bullets to kill an armored player so at least someone with mid-tier armor has some sort of chance if they don't get a headshot. 3)Bring back AP ammo on the flea market. Even with marked up prices, at least now players who don't play nonstop can do a couple scav runs/loot runs, save up some cash and stack up some ammo for the future. P.S. I apologize for any bad grammar I just thought this up on the spot :)
@joeefsu6613
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the update!
@McBierbauch
3 ай бұрын
IM DOING MY PART (by commenting and liking)
@sjfjaisncnsa.
3 ай бұрын
who the fuck asked for a armor/hitbox rework? it was FINE beforehand, realistic even
@swagfeller
3 ай бұрын
i think this is great news for armour
@Arutt95
3 ай бұрын
The new plate system was infinitely better than the "simplified" system they just changed to. The game fucking SUCKS again. shock horror.
@OldManBadly
3 ай бұрын
This is one of the many reasons I haven't played the game in months. They keep polishing the turd, but they never want to deal with the turd.
@lck0ut348
3 ай бұрын
time to return to my fav leg muncher strat teehee
@WasteManagem3nt
3 ай бұрын
8:45 Nice keyhole lol
@dofeetoes
3 ай бұрын
Yeah all this armor stuff is good and fine BUT they need to get rid of STIMS. Period.
@missedme715
3 ай бұрын
thanks airwing for the testing 🫡
@Airwingmarine
3 ай бұрын
you are welcome!
@gs-ms9mt
3 ай бұрын
Totally agree with "realistic" part.
@jonofrombc
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@gustl1177
3 ай бұрын
thanks for the good video. You speak the words in my mind.
@MartinezCedric
3 ай бұрын
BSG should have kept this system, but added a hitbox from the center of the chest equivalent to the head. For me, it's a waste.
@malikishtaiwe1684
3 ай бұрын
ammo is still in a good shape u wont be getting high tier plates until u unlock good ammo anyways.
@Axspt
3 ай бұрын
Taking out over half the armours in the game and making them useless is the worst thing ive ever seen a game company do, thank fucking god its fixed it feels so much better. Limiting players choice in useable armour is stupid, trying to balance them makes it practically impossible from a gameplay standpoint
@floomuscw6628
3 ай бұрын
Honestly Gray Zone has the best health system in any shooter that I've seen
@Crusherheads
3 ай бұрын
when they touch by my experience it kills the sound....special when they touched the headset type sound range, its stupid.
@mrdisem
3 ай бұрын
I remember when there was a bug in the game with no sound while crouching. I came to your chat and mentioned it, and you laughed at me and said that this is not a thing, but it was. It offended me.
@sethmartin7084
3 ай бұрын
Streamers always right lol
@DeAdShadow3s
3 ай бұрын
Always helpful vids also recommend my son to your videos to learn the game
@АндрейМочалов-щ9р
3 ай бұрын
TL DR its back to the high pen meta. You grind for top 3 bullets and buy them every reset. Of you just not killing anyone, unless its a headshot. People who play this game just a couple of hours per week can go fuck right off now if they cant one tap head all day every day. This could end up badly for the game, driving even more players away from pvp servers because they cant keep up with the arms race due to limited time they have for the game. Not a good change overall. Also, i disagree on health system rework. Its not that needed. Updating thorax hitboxes and adding sometheing like vital thorax area with its own smaller health pool would have worked too. Its better, then turning back to magical forcefield armor and heavy AP meta being the only effective way of dealing with it.
@agamepro2u
3 ай бұрын
i've noticed with the new armor update plates take A LOT more damage than before, i've seen actual zero'd out plates which hasnt happened all wipe lol
@mskibo5
3 ай бұрын
Same here. Nice seeing armor actually working. And kids will cry about it.
@Handcannon77
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, goes to show just how rare it was for the old plates to actually tank. I feel like more often than not I was getting shot around the plate, rather than in the plate...it was rare to have to repair my plates more than a point or two, if at all. Now im repairing them regularly which feels good that wearing high tier gear has a noticeable effect, whereas before it felt like it didnt matter if I wore a level 4 plate, or a level 6 because it was rare for the plate to actually be hit. Being able to tank a few rounds when getting shot at is nice, you can actually quickly identify where the target it is and have an actual gunfight(unless you get shot in the throat/head).
@Will-et3ee
3 ай бұрын
Commenting for the algorithm. Thank you for all the info, and thanks for reiterating what I've been trying to explain about armor/vitals IRL versus a videogame forever now in your rant. Loved that haha. Keep up the great work!
@austinclements2280
3 ай бұрын
TarkovBasementGuy Runs their social medias.
@Darkstar198
3 ай бұрын
Wait a minute, doesn't that mean that Class 3 armor all still have their gaps? Because they technically don't have "Plates" as defined by the game logic.
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