ICAI has recently issued new guidance note, & as per that the premium received on sale of option is not to be added again in turnover if it is already included in Net Profit calculation. Thus, in our example, the turnover will be Absolute value of Net gain or loss, which is column H. Hence turnover for option seller will be Rs. 3,000 (09:11 to 13:10) & turnover for option buyer will be Rs. 3,000 (13:11 to 18:05).
@rahulnanavati4864
Жыл бұрын
Much needed, Great move by ICAI 👍 Thanks for clarification 🙏
@ankurbakshi
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for giving this update on the video. I was about to comment and request to please give an update on the new guidance. I have another question. What is the effective date for this clarification. can we revise our prior year it return with the new turnover values ?
@karan5545
Жыл бұрын
@@ankurbakshi Its effective from year A.Y 2022-2023, i.e F.Y 2021-2022
@ajairandhawa1848
Жыл бұрын
True CA Ranade tour information in T/o is outdated..it is as advice no addition of sake value
@nikhilrups
Жыл бұрын
I was just about to write this piece of info. Great work btw.
@maganigovardhan2496
2 жыл бұрын
2 Min silence for who all are not being profit in FNO but watching this video 🤣🤣
@malleshdumpetiofficial
2 жыл бұрын
Ha. Ha true
@Itwal_P
2 жыл бұрын
Me too 😅😂
@Krishn435
2 жыл бұрын
Mem ka koie v video chorne ka nhi .. she iz the goddess of knowledge
@karthiksk3437
2 жыл бұрын
😅
@vikasarora1482
2 жыл бұрын
Bhai F n O me ydi loss ho to itr bharne ki jarurat nhi hai
@sundaramurthy1784
2 жыл бұрын
DEAR MAM, THIS IS A USER FRIENDLY,USER RELEVANT AND USER URGENT VIDEO AT THE RIGHT TIME,GIVING CLARITY ON TAXATION FOR F&O TRADERS. EXCELLENT
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@rahulnanavati4864
2 жыл бұрын
Ma'am, there has been guidance note issued by ICAI on this section recently say a last week. As per which Turn Over defination has been changed, so request to revise/make a new video for better/correct understanding 🙏
@Shubham-zx9lv
2 жыл бұрын
Pl revise
@aniketbobade175
2 жыл бұрын
Please do Presumptive taxation and loss on Trading F&O videos as early as possible 🙏
@vibhoragrawal6309
2 жыл бұрын
Why not everyone tell about this If your total income including STCG after applicable tax deductions is below Rs 2.5 Lakh, then your total tax liability is nil and also no liability will arise us/ 111A as deduction up to the basic tax exemption limit is allowed
@dexter_001
2 жыл бұрын
*Yes mam I want to know about presumptive tax structure*
@muralis7046
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent information about F&O for small traders with low investment where the profit is minimal.
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the recognition
@Lalitsingh-pm8yp
2 жыл бұрын
Yes please, share the details about presumptive tax structure also.
@Rahul-cg8yv
2 жыл бұрын
For call option you have paid the premium and hence it will not be taken for calculation of T/o... As per literal interpretation of the law you have to add premium received on sale of option but you are paying premium and hence call option is wrong!!
@sumitb4u
2 жыл бұрын
You missed the most important part that is ''WHAT IF Loss from F&O and turnover is less than 10 Cr''
@harshsodhani
2 жыл бұрын
This should be clear
@adityak6350
2 жыл бұрын
Uploaded on proper time.. Thank you so much 🥰🥰
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@udaykale1786
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Rachana Thanks for tons of clarifications. T/O reqd =10Cr. Want to know how can I prepare myself for Tax audit and books of A/C. I was told that because all demat F&O transitions happen online and all reports are available in digital form it's easy to maintain books of a/c. I use a Zerodha trading platform. Can you have a video on how to prepare books of a/c and prepare P&L statement and balance sheet. Also one more question on Advance Tax. How do you accurately predict your15%,45%,& 75% income on 3 adv tax dates. In F&O you are not sure how much profit or loss you will be making at the end of the year. Sorry for a long comment!!!
@anandradhakrishnan1302
4 ай бұрын
No wonder why people are trying to make money teaching how to trade rather than from trading 😂
@akashshah9147
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much mam, searching for taxation on f&o from a long time, but not getting proper guidance. This is very clear and useful 👍
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that
@shailendrapratapsingh3663
Жыл бұрын
One of the conditions is Audit applicable if a loss or profit of less than 6% of turnover (for non-cash transactions).
@niloypa21
2 жыл бұрын
Very nicely explained. Please make video on presumptive taxation.
@Clarityinlife335
Жыл бұрын
Option maine jiss price par becha 200 Aur jitne par square off kiya 60 Meri jeb mein paisa aaya 140 Turnover bana 340 Premium received while entering a position + profit or loss after exiting position = turnover Waah waah waah ye kya system hai bhai Mera desh badal raha hai peeche ho raha hai. Oh sorry pinned comment nahi padha tha. Mera desh badal raha hai aage badh raha hai
@akhilchourse5445
2 жыл бұрын
Please make a video on presumptive taxation
@sushmaswami165
2 жыл бұрын
Hi mam.... happy to see you. Thank you
@Kimbabysamy
2 жыл бұрын
Please mam put separate video about speculative business
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Shall try
@piyushmor4145
2 жыл бұрын
Yes mam please tell us about presumptive taxes 🙏
@tyagiseema79
2 жыл бұрын
Plz cover a whole series on taxation , carry forward loss etc for cash and F&O segment... 🙏
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Shall try
@deepanshugarg1473
2 жыл бұрын
Maam now 1 ammendment has come in guidance note regarding this. We will be very happy if you will incorporate that ammendment in this video. now the turnover in case of options will be changed in your examples. Thanks from Hisar.
@jiralsavla7284
2 жыл бұрын
Master video for F&O related issues, Calculation of T/O for tax audit..
@nitarik10
2 жыл бұрын
yes please do a video on presumptive taxation ..and if our profits are not 6% of the turnover then too we have to file audited ITR
@rameshbabu9676
2 жыл бұрын
Go ahead with presumptive tax vedio please
@JagannadhaRaoT
2 жыл бұрын
pls make a video clarifying when to go for tax audit and when not needed for salaried person doing f&o and stocks trading longterm and shortterm and intraday....
@redmi3sprime753
2 жыл бұрын
Plz make separate video on presumptive taxation. Thanks
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Shall try..
@amitlakhani544
2 жыл бұрын
Please mam do video on presumptive taxation
@bhuvanbalam9932
2 жыл бұрын
CARR mam i think this video is watched by few days back
@jayendrachoudhary5314
Ай бұрын
your video is highly accurate, you are lord of gyan
@rockybadhe
2 жыл бұрын
Madam Great knowledge Please Make a video on presumptive taxes - a loyal pro investor
@prateekpagaria240
2 жыл бұрын
Superb explanation mam ! I never miss your videos. I was looking for turn over calculation here and there,and I were not able to figure out. But this video had cleared all the doubts, and more importantly it came on right time. Thank you so much. And would love to learn about presumptive taxation.
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that..
@Raw_RIDE
7 ай бұрын
best explanation ever, Rachana is a genius
@hitikpatel007
2 жыл бұрын
It was superb and in depth knowledge. Thank you. also please make a video on Presumptive taxation.
@kashishkumarhooda
Жыл бұрын
Just to let everyone know. This is NOT how you calculate turnover. I am surprised a reputed CA can make such a mistake. No issues, as per new guidelines of ICAI released 2-3 years back, the method has been changed and now the turnover is just the sum of absolute amounts of profits and losses. Be careful.
Good informative videos. And please also elaborate the reverse trade (3 option) in calculation of Turnover, so that many of us also get and understand the concept fully
@braveheart4388
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone's question who came to see the video is what all are allowed expenses which can be deducted from profits? That's the million dollar question. The info provided here can just be downloaded from the back end of any broker.
@somendrasarkar1653
2 жыл бұрын
Presumptive Tax Video Request!
@ankushgarg9238
2 жыл бұрын
Is tax audit applicable if turnover is less than 10 Cr but their is a net loss or profit is below 6% or 8% of turnover? Considering assessee have business income only through FNO trading.
@ashishmhetre1773
2 жыл бұрын
I too want to know the same
@reddybhargavipuredi3389
2 жыл бұрын
@@ashishmhetre1773 tax audit will be applicable if last year u have declared income under presumption taxation scheme and in current year u are declaring less than 8%/6% or loss and ur income is above BEL then in such case tax audit will be applicable
@ashishmhetre1773
2 жыл бұрын
@@reddybhargavipuredi3389 thanks for this. But I need more info. Last year I didn't do any FnO trading. I had filed ITR-2 last year. So, how do I know whether I had opted for presumptive or non-presumptive taxation?
@kvsbabu2124
2 жыл бұрын
@@ashishmhetre1773 presumptive means you have to pay certain % of tax , if you have profit or not ?
@reddybhargavipuredi3389
2 жыл бұрын
@@ashishmhetre1773 If u have declared your income under 44AD or 44ADA then you have opted presumptive taxation
@MadhurAgarwalDce
2 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot ma'am... I have been reading everywhere about F&O turnover concept but couldn't understand and you taught it in very simple way.... thanks a lot
@carachanaprwhatsap9426
2 жыл бұрын
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@dingdongkk1
2 жыл бұрын
yeah interested to know about presumptive taxation and calculation, it will be enlightened
@DeepakLudhwani28
2 жыл бұрын
very informative video, will love to have presumptive taxation video
@user1994gms
2 жыл бұрын
zerodha, groww has turnover filled for us in FY. so can we use it or it may be wrong? Rachana mam, kindly confirm whether can we use the turnover mentioned by Groww, Zerodha or need to calculate manually
@anilbelankar5032
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, please let us know about presumptive taxation as well. Thank you.
@amangarg5753
2 жыл бұрын
Right video at the right time as I also getting messages from ITR Department to fill taxes. Going to learn more about the stock market from you.
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful..
@tanujsingh510
2 жыл бұрын
This was really very useful for retail traders who have no idea about taxation on FnO. Thanks a ton Ma'am!!
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! 😊
@kanishkaambawad9215
2 жыл бұрын
हा विडिओ पुन्हा का अपलोड केला ?
@jiralsavla7284
2 жыл бұрын
Please release video related to presumptive taxation for F&O business..thanx in advance
@yogeshbadgire
2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god! So much of the confusion is cleared up because of this video. Thank you so much.
@yogeshbadgire
2 жыл бұрын
@CA R. ㊉①⑥④①②④④⓪①④② stay away you scammer
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped! 😊
@ponmanirajan
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the clarification on f&o taxation. How to prepare p&l statement and balance sheet for f&o trading business
@pkgupta324
Жыл бұрын
Which ITR has to fill for below condition for age below 60 Years 1. Income from salary Govt Job, buying/ selling debt or equity mutual fund, buying/selling shares (LTCG/STCG), Dividend income from shares, buying/ selling ELSS mutual fund 2. Income from part time pvt job, buying/ selling F&O, buying/ selling debt or equity mutual fund, buying/selling shares (LTCG/STCG), Dividend income from shares. 3. Income from Business & part time pvt job, buying/ selling F&O, buying/ selling debt or equity mutual fund, buying/selling shares (LTCG/STCG), Dividend income from shares.
@sandynoby
2 жыл бұрын
Mam URGENT request last week new guidline came for calculating turnover for options 👍🏼 this is good news . Now turnover is only total sale amount minus purchase amount ,this will not inflate turnover now. calculation has changed in 8th notice from this year ICAI has issued notice
@HD-hx6yq
2 жыл бұрын
Hi - I'd really like to understand presumptive taxation
@gouthamkaranam3825
Жыл бұрын
thanks mam, finally understood. thanks for explaining very clearly.
@namandokania1
2 жыл бұрын
So, If I incurred an FO loss of 100000/- and have salary income & other income as well. and turnover as per this is 1200000/- then would I need to get the tax audit done in order to adjust this loss with other income???
@sforsure
2 жыл бұрын
Please continue presumptive…
@abhisheksingh-ml4mc
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to correct it's 44AB not 44ab as mentioned . It doesn't matter but you being a CA I expect you to take note of this.
@user-ib3of1xt9i
Жыл бұрын
I am new for fno options. Just play with 2.5L as training. Yesteray my profit was 2670 through option buying. After taxations I have got just 137. Government is just killing public. I put all efforts simply some guja... people are eating
@deepakbajaj8624
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation of Options & Futures taxation. But strange prediction of turnover 😂. Thank you
@AM_Nevrekar
2 жыл бұрын
What is presumtive
@animationchildrenrhymes7120
Жыл бұрын
Everything was crystal clear...Mam can you please elaborate the premium topic it's sincere request
@akshayshinde8089
2 жыл бұрын
Hello mam, please make video on how tax is calculated on swp and how investor can declare it while filing ITR.
@kparthasarathi5868
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much mam for sharing very much informative and useful video about tax audit.
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Thank You 😊
@sarathkumar341
2 жыл бұрын
I have learnt all these things, but the confusion is in the presumptive taxation only (specifically for salaried & F&O). Hope you will explain in next video. Waiting.
@casomaygarg7197
2 жыл бұрын
In this case , you need to show minimum 6 % profit in F&O ,Plus usual salary income. But if you show profit below 6% (mostly happen when F&O is in Loss) .Then you need to Tax audit done by CA
@sarathkumar341
2 жыл бұрын
@@casomaygarg7197 Thanks. Does this presumptive taxation applicable (or optional) only if we cross the turnover?
@casomaygarg7197
2 жыл бұрын
@@sarathkumar341 those sections work in combination. Not in isolation.
@sridharsv9620
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for very detailed and clear explanations...🎉
@mehulchheda9
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for clarifying
@danikicosting1290
2 жыл бұрын
Mm u r the best
@gnaneswararaouttarkar7934
2 жыл бұрын
Request you to please be professional and not degrade our profession. These topics are sensitive and complex and are not straightforward for many people to understand. It is good that you are making them interactive but these may not be a good thing to do. Also kindly check whether these adhere to professional ethics. Such things can lead to self filing of returns with half knowledge and leading to assessments in furture. Kindly consult a Qualified CA to understand and file the returns.
@iam_adnan
2 жыл бұрын
Editing team is so good.
@ajitmagar
9 ай бұрын
Very SuperB...I was looking for this only...!!! liked...as always...Keep doing such informative videos !!!❤🙏👍
@aarohkaregaonkar2080
2 жыл бұрын
Why you did not consider the lot size while calculating the options turnover ? For example, Nifty 16000 strike call premium is 300, but lot size will be 50. So total buy value will be 15000. At the time of square off, premium received is 400, again lot size 50, so total selling value is 20000. In this case turnover should be (20000 + 5000) = 25000 right?
@sahajinfochannel1
2 жыл бұрын
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@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Aaroh, lot was not considered for the sake of simplicity, however if we consider lot, below will be the turnover calculation: Say for our case 1 under option seller (from 09:08 to 10:28), The Gross profit will now become -1000*50= -50,000. And the premium recieved will be 300*50= 15,000, hence net profit will be -35,000. So turnover will be premium (15,000) plus absolute net profit (35,000) which comes to 50,000.
@subhajeetdas3972
2 жыл бұрын
tax auditing was my last semester paper yesterday and we exactly read this things
@sahajinfochannel1
2 жыл бұрын
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@pandurangasettyvenu7897
2 жыл бұрын
Zerodha provides every detail in all segments we need not worry about calculation of turnover at all.
@akshaytanksale4326
2 жыл бұрын
Please make presamtativ video
@komalams319
2 жыл бұрын
Informative
@jsuds18
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the clarification...was always confusing for someone new to F&O !!
@niranjanrangarajan674
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mam , Would be more than happy to have your contribution just incase these , F&O is sold before the expiry(Probably intra day F&O as well) and their tax audit applicability just like this practical way . 🤞
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, the calculation will be done in this manner only where the value of option (premium) will be considered for gross profit calculations
@drtusharjaipuria2107
2 жыл бұрын
Mam, I have one question if you could clarify please, In case of options,isn't lot size is taken into consideration, If yes then we will have to multiply premium value with lot size (50 or 25),then the turnover will be much higher when we add both of them, that's how zerodha is calculating it and showing turnover as.. Please clarify.. Thanks in advance.
@naveenkumarvarma.b
Жыл бұрын
exactly even i got the same and searching a lot but every where it s showing the same info. ie, the Premium received + Absolute Profit and Losses..
@anujkabra468
2 жыл бұрын
WARNING WARNING WARNING to all TRADERS @CA Rachana: I appreciate your knowledge but I need to highlight that you have not covered most important aspect of Section 44AB read with Section 44AD. LOSSES are also nothing but declaration of profit lower than 6% limit and so TAX AUDIT IS APPLICABLE.
@SumitKumar-mp3bq
2 жыл бұрын
you are educating us through your videos .. keep up the good work ma'am Really appreciate it
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@pradyumnagalgali9046
2 жыл бұрын
We need to know presemtive case....and what benifits it has...wwhen to use it.....
@karanbodiwala
2 жыл бұрын
Premium is not to be counted in turnover it is probably declared by ICAI committee on direct taxes and revised guidance note soon to be published.
@kashishtaneja4282
2 жыл бұрын
I have a question - For calculation of turnover on Option, do we calculate on script basis, day basis, transaction basis? e.g. 15000 CE Bought and Sold 2 times in a day, one lot of 50 each time - Day 1 : made profit of 100 from first round transaction, and loss of 100 on second transaction. Hence day's PnL = 0 The same was done on Day 2 as well but on 15500 CE. So - (ignoring the receipt of premium on sale of Option) 1) On Script Basis : 100 - 100 + 100 - 100 = 0 2) On Day basis : 0 + 0 = 0 3) On Transaction basis = 100 + 100 + 100 + 100 = 400
@casomaygarg7197
2 жыл бұрын
Day basis
@advsanjay
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙏
@Kaapilsing96
Жыл бұрын
mam if my turnover value is more than 10 crores & profit is less than 5% than how to calculate my income tax?
@djscalper4336
2 жыл бұрын
thank u so much.. as a engineering student its like 'dimmag hill gaya' thank u for this effort maam
@PeterGerald
Жыл бұрын
I'm confused why she's saying if 2000 points difference in strike price turnover is 2000. Turnover will be 2000*50 or 2000*25 for Nifty and Bank Nifty respectively on sale of options.
@128a51achd
Жыл бұрын
You are great Rachna. Simply superb, I must say. I am poor in understanding accounting aspects. Kindly clarify in simple terms: I am a salaried person (7 lakh) having LTCG - short as well as long-term gains (3 lakh) from sale of shares. Without understanding the implications, I traded in FnO and incurred huge loss of 2.5 lakh last year. As understood, my earning shall be treated as earning from business income and it would be ITR3 that I have to file. Please advise: Whether, I shall be able to get benefit of 80C, Standard Deduction, 50000 on Bank Interest (boing senior citizen) etc under salary head or not, besides application of a fixed 15%/10% Capital gains tax from sale of shares OR Whether all amounts shall now be added up & I Tax shall be charged on full amount as if all income being income from business due to my additional F&O trading. Please HELP. Iam WORRIED. Regards
@fca_varun
2 жыл бұрын
Whether tax audit is applicable or not it depends on more than on factor, turnover is just one of it, other factors are profit/loss in FNO business, other income of the person whether crossing basic exemption limit or not, if loss then need to see whether in last year he opted for 44AD scheme etc.. You are addressing old definition of turnover, which is just one factor, so please don't state that tax audit will not be applicable just by looking at the turnover criteria
@Clarityinlife335
Жыл бұрын
Omg ye taxation system ko seekh ke apne liye aassaan banana padega
@VikramKriplani
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I believe investing with Tax context is useful for Tax Harvesting & mindful actions. Presumptive Income video shall be useful & info. on maintenance of books of accounts when Turnover more than 25 Lakhs and/or Income more than 2.5 Lakhs. 🙏
@CARachanaRanade
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the recognition, I shall surely try to come up with the video on presumptive scheme
@subhalakshmi2847
2 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video mama.. I hav a doubt - whether presumptive basis can be made in ITR 3 also right..?
@ashishkapila786
Жыл бұрын
Excellent Madam very informative
@mandeepsinghdhaliwal9041
Жыл бұрын
So much love mam as you gives lots of infomative video time to time. hats off you 😂🙏
@dhakshinamoorthytn2974
2 жыл бұрын
Pl post a video about presumptive itr taxation
@jiteshrohra
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video Rachana, can one opt for presumptive taxation in case of F&O, considering it is a business?
@SreeInvests
Жыл бұрын
How about the taxes for the transactions on F&O, Equity, Derivatives- LTCG and STCG etc... these are the costs involved in conducting the transactions. What is the tax treatment. Can you also please make a video on the filing part of both equity, F&o and Futures transactions. The key and important points to be noted for tax filings. Also, If Tax audit, who has to do it? is it a CA,in case if the turnover is more than 10CR? thanks a lot.
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