Oh no, TJ sold out. No more coding streams, now he's gonna stream Fortnite and reaction videos.
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
it's not a sell out til I start and end the video with "LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE!! SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON!!!"
@dabzilla05
3 жыл бұрын
I love how he takes a video that bashes vim and actually spends more time defending vim than anything. Sign of a true coder who can see through the surface-level politics
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks :) I want the (Neo)Vim community to love each other and enjoy having fun with programming. No need for anyone to be angry!
@dabzilla05
3 жыл бұрын
@@teej_dv I like that you addressed the myth that vim isn't built collaboratively. I was under the illusion myself but I've come to appreciate the differences and respect them as different projects. I use neovim (lua plugins and all!) every day but I am looking forward to vim9, if only for the potential plugin performance improvements I hope it will bring. Overall, I like neovims more modern approach and I'm genuinely excited for all the great projects going on (lua, LSP, Treesitter etc...) And can't wait to see what we can make with them!
@nafg613
2 жыл бұрын
That virtue has nothing to do with coding
@axalius572
3 жыл бұрын
3:00 I Understood this differently. I think he meant that ultimately bram decides what goes into vim and what not (Even though multiple people work on it). NeoVim on the other hand has multiple organization members and not one authority over the project.
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
My point is basically that, if your ONLY complaint (about this) is that Bram is the person who decides vs. a team of people deciding (for Neovim), then that doesn't constitute an argument. Neovim also has a small number of people who get to decide what gets merged. Obviously, I like the Neovim way better (which is why I spend so much time working on it), but I'm just saying this argument is not helpful and ends up feeling much more like an ad hominem attack on bram, rather than a constructive way to help the community.
@gabrielsaliba2273
3 жыл бұрын
@@teej_dv Agreed, but you also criticized an argument that he didn't make aswell. I know this is normal in this react type videos but the comment of @axalius is to say that you attacked the guy for something he was not saying even though you delivered the criticism to what he did say afterwards.
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
No offense, but have either of you merged anything into nvim? If justinmk decided we weren't going to merge something, it wouldn't get merged. I'm saying this by itself is not a good criticism. Python existed with a bdfl for a long time and was very successful. I feel I was criticizing an argument that was made, sorry if it wasn't obvious what my point was though.
@axalius572
3 жыл бұрын
@@teej_dv I don't get it. Why are you so enraged? I didn't express my own opinion, but what I interpreted his statement to be (More people working on it = More innovation Tree-Sitter, LuaJIT, BuiltinLSP, Headless). To say "have you merged anything into neovim yet" can come across very snotty.
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
@@axalius572 I'm not enraged, I'm trying to understand where you both are coming from. I don't know anything about either of you. I'm on neovim core team. Of course I prefer neovim method of doing development style, that's why I've given literally hundreds or maybe thousands of hours to the project. I'm simply saying that I don't think his arguments are good and that I felt I criticized his arguments fairly. I'm open to being wrong about that, I'm just not sure how it wasn't a valid criticism. Additionally, I'm trying to understand what you're saying and what the other commenter said to see where I didn't communicate well enough what I wanted to say. (also, I'm replying on mobile 😂)
@debasishraychawdhuri
Жыл бұрын
When I hear "vim vs neovim", I as a user expect a difference in features, not a rant about who is committing.
@ubayabdelgadir4165
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for clearing that up
@teej_dv
Жыл бұрын
no prob :)
@bufmouse13
3 жыл бұрын
to be honest I still have not made the real jump from vim to neovim and so this video appealed to me when it showed up, but this duded video was a total waste of time and I didn't realize until it was over.
@lucaruperto1388
3 жыл бұрын
"Do I need to make it small, so your eyes aren't blinded?" I didn't know that the best youtuber ever existed, till now. I will subscribe just for this
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks! I use github dark mode and try generally not to use bright lights when streaming since I know retinas everywhere will thank me 😂 😂
@f23anone82
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but he has 60k followers, while you have only 833 (me included) , so, obviously, he knows more about VIM and NVIM than you do.
@DarrylHebbes
3 жыл бұрын
that's not an argument... lol idiots can have millions of subscribers... heard of Kim Kardashian?
@andresorrego6778
3 жыл бұрын
This is a sarcasm, obviously.
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
Haha I'm pretty sure they're joking. I'm pretty sure people know that I'm on Neovim core team if they're watching these videos.
@f23anone82
3 жыл бұрын
Come on guys! Ofc I'm just joking
@Chris-gz4ie
2 жыл бұрын
The primeagen convinced me to switch to neovim and I have to say Im super happy with it I will never go back to vs code
@no_name4796
5 ай бұрын
If i ever need vscode, the neovim extension is a must have for me lol
@almasabdrazak5089
3 жыл бұрын
Watching you on speed up how you watch another video on speed up
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
*reads this comment at 4x speed*
@NinuRenee
8 ай бұрын
R.I.P Bram Molenaar, without him we'd all be using emacs (or neomacs).
@remrevo3944
2 жыл бұрын
9:14 Seems like a metric a mid-level-manager would use.
@craigdanielmaceacher
3 жыл бұрын
vim --with-tiny is on a few by default, and one distro uses Stevie by default IIRC. Busybox has a real sparse Vim too.
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@jimxu1963
3 жыл бұрын
Have 3 versions nvim, one from homebrew, one from asdf, and one from head. Occasionally I will do bisect to find out what commit made a visible change I care. But I have not had experience that I can not build
@miyalys
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe vim gets these features not from competition with neovim but cooperation back and forth both in getting new ideas, testing them and learning as a result. More people thinking about it and working with and on it, and openness from developers to listen to user's feedback, by itself can mean faster progress compared to earlier. Daring to experiment including allowing for failure can help too. It can mean less stability, but more and better features faster. Cooperation > Competition
@kenwood7195
4 ай бұрын
Bram hasn't worked with anyone else since he died.
@diegorocha2186
3 жыл бұрын
I realized that Emacs is really dead. Now the war is between Neovim and Vim hahahaha
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
haha :) but actually Neovim and Vim are friends. The war is between people trying to start wars with Vim & Neovim vs. people who want to live in harmony :)
@fabioramatis2373
3 жыл бұрын
where do you see emacs as dead? The last emacs conf I watch a guy running a browser built in emacs with graphs and html loading Neo(Vim) and emacs are totally different softwares with different opinions
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
@@fabioramatis2373 I think he was just making a joke about the war. They are both cool and have different goals and philosophies!
@glidersuzuki5572
3 жыл бұрын
@@fabioramatis2373 Probably he was refering to vim vs emacs war and missed the 'war' part.
@berndeckenfels
2 жыл бұрын
Useful comparison? No not at all. I think Teej one sentence at the end (‚is a fork with many compatible functions‘ and the info on design decisions (guarantee lua, less platforms and configs, lsp/treesitter) would be absolutely the required info
@ssuuy
Жыл бұрын
3:14 he said that in the video tho, he didn't say he is the only person. I'm sorry your lack of attention failed you.
@mengye8871
Жыл бұрын
I have discovered neovim way later, I have moved to neovim because of its defaults.
@forsh2966
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, he has a lot of subs tho
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
Haha, true. Good for him though!
@vaisakhkm783
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame that this video wayyy less views than mental outlaw's video
@nothappyz
2 жыл бұрын
New subscriber here, I've seen some really nice video of yours. But honestly man, I wish this never went into my recommendations, it is so hard to watch. I'm sure you're correct about whatever you're saying, but laughing at someone like that is so disrespectful, it makes you seem so uncool. Also my man mental is not a developer
@Oswee
3 жыл бұрын
I just hope that with all that "new user friendly" jazz, NeoVim will not morph into SpaceVim by default. :)
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
Nope! I think if you look at, for example the builtin LSP, our goal in the design is extensibility for the user. And of course, it must still be fast :)
@nickgoogle4525
2 жыл бұрын
My reaction to your react-video. React-video's are superfluous! Not kiddin'....
@teej_dv
2 жыл бұрын
I am unsure of what you're trying to say?
@fxfawkes
3 жыл бұрын
cool video
@GavinFreeborn
3 жыл бұрын
Ngl the guy is not a programer he just regurgitats "woke" statements others have made. Trying to stretch it over a whole video shows how little research he did.
@GavinFreeborn
3 жыл бұрын
Also great video man! Keep up the great streams.
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you liked them 😁 might try and make a few more shorter, single topic videos like this.
@_bradleystrider
2 жыл бұрын
he's just another one of those linux rant channels that u can tell do absolutely no work with the tools they talk about it's super annoying
@pipony8939
3 жыл бұрын
5:39 means he doesn't allow PR but he only commits
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I understand that he's saying Bram is the only person who gets the actual commit message on github, but I don't see any marked difference between the models if that is your complaint. Neovim only allows X number of people to merge, while for Vim X just happens to be 1 (for now). I prefer Neovim's model (which is why I contribute there and made it on core team), but I'm just saying this line of argument is not great.
@pipony8939
3 жыл бұрын
@@teej_dv would be hard to prove in CV I contribute to vim project because he doesn't allow PR..
@teej_dv
3 жыл бұрын
@@pipony8939 I think it would be quite easy. If you put on your CV "Contributed to Vim. See PRs #1234, #28321, etc." they can see that you did the work. I prefer giving people credit in the actual commit author position (which is what Neovim does and how I do it for all my other projects as well), but I'm just saying that the criticism of "it's a one man project" is just completely wrong and doesn't give credit to all the people who do work really hard to make Vim what it is today.
@mitchmarq428
3 жыл бұрын
Love his channel and starting to really like yours too. Not his best moment, though. Nor yours.
@teej_dv
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Which part are you referring to in particular? Happy to try and get better!
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