I have a family member with a disability, she is constantly told they have the mental state of a 6 year old, and in many of the physical test doctos put her under, they say she is incapable of doing things that I've seen her do. Also, when she gets scared or freaked out, she has a strength that is superior to mine, she doesn't always show this behavior only when she gets scared. So for me it's 100% possible she sadly got scared or disoriented and had the strength to survive on her own for a couple of days. Just a sad tragedy over all.
@Stalemarshmallow
11 ай бұрын
You’re so right, I care for a child with Down syndrome and he’s much more capable than I was told he was
@zimzob
11 ай бұрын
Turns out, when you tell children what they are, they will be what they are told.
@raquellofstedt9713
11 ай бұрын
My son most likely has fragile X, which means he has behavioral issues, autism, intllctual limitations and autism. His capabilities are very uneven. He can suddenly go through periods of time where his functioning is very low, and suddnly switch to doing things that he would not be deemd as being able to do at all if observed in the low funtioning period. He can go from being non- verbal to suddenly spewing out a long question or comment, to going back into not really bing abl to speak again for more than a year. Point of the matter is, you can´t take him for granted. He HAS to be supervised constantly and you HAVE to assume he understands what you are saying, but needs help responding. My heart breaks for this family. I would be utterly destroyed if this happened to my son. I hope they are getting all the support and comfort that they need. They have lost a precious, important part of their lives.
@CraftyCapsWildPrints
11 ай бұрын
Yes, I work with people with disabilities. They are capable of many things.
@Mrs_Small
11 ай бұрын
This is so true. My son has a genetic disorder, autism, & developmental disability. He performs so poorly during evals, but when he’s determined (scared/excited) he can do much more.
@sukijay4990
11 ай бұрын
How awful for the parents to know how terrified she would have been out there on her own, and to always wonder what happened. Such a sad story.
@laurenj4844
11 ай бұрын
Yes!! Thank you so much for covering this! Day made
@souraalassaf2115
11 ай бұрын
I know alot of autism or disability kids that going to water or stream drowned or dead i don’t know why espacily when they changed there enviorment
@squareinsquare2078
10 ай бұрын
00:39 Her mothers name is not Meeb, it's Maebh, which is prounced Maeve, which rhymes with cave.
@maxshea1829
11 ай бұрын
One grim thought is maybe the parents had something to do with it. Even a family of means can get overwhelmed with a disabled child. Frustration and despair might lead the one or both parents to say, "Wouldn't it be better for everybody if...." I hate to think parents would do something so wicked, but life's hardships can drive people down very dark roads.
@603nikki
11 ай бұрын
My thoughts right away
@It-is-me...Melsie
11 ай бұрын
@@603nikki You seem proud of that.
@br4nd0nh347
11 ай бұрын
He doesn't say, but I guess no other footprints were found near her in the jungle? That being said, I was wondering about this too, maybe her parents just led her out to the jungle by water and told her they'll be right back, but then just left her there. The missing clothing could be because an animal took it or maybe it washed down the stream. Perhaps more will come of this in the future, but it's unfair to put any blame on anyone here, from the looks of it this was an accident that we can all learn from. It was very unfortunate that this happened, and I give her family my condolences. RIP
@moriakpotato
10 ай бұрын
One possibility is that her parent(s) led her into the jungle and left her there.
@naturalroyalflush
6 ай бұрын
Then the authorities were alerted which led to a massive search. Had this been successful, she would mention her parents.
@naturalprinciples8520
11 ай бұрын
How can they not find her though with so many searching for her for days and she's on foot not that far away from where she was??
@italjahcorntrashroller
11 ай бұрын
One or both the parents did it.
@paulharker7184
11 ай бұрын
This case breaks my heart. Just thinking of that poor girl, all alone and scared in the jungle is unspeakably horrible.
@stormcorrosion176
10 ай бұрын
Agreed Paul. As a Dad, this hits me hard and brings tears to my eyes. Malaysia is basically a huge jungle, full of venomous creatures and so many horrors.
@williamsherman1089
10 ай бұрын
Yeah this is a sad and tragic story, hope she is in peace in heaven getting love from angels
@kingayy9267
10 ай бұрын
@AS-qg1xu Their itinerary likely didn't include venturing into dangerous areas.
@alisonj9533
10 ай бұрын
@AS-qg1xu probably because it was going to be less stressful than a high populated foreign city, your implying anything else is obscene!
@odala8245
10 ай бұрын
@@AS-qg1xuwell, this could've happened in literally any unfamiliar surrounding to a vulnerable child like Nora.Your argument have no merit.
@heatherbrenner8275
11 ай бұрын
I think just the fact that she died of starvation shows that she wasn't kidnapped.. kidnapping victims turn up dead for lots of reasons but I don't think I've ever heard of one turning up dead from starvation.
@molliwilson5639
11 ай бұрын
Yes, and also, kidnappers usually kill their victims within 24 hours.
@CommercialForest
11 ай бұрын
It’s insanely easy to get disoriented when you’re slightly out of your element. It’s not that hard to do it when you’re in your element. Happens all the time. Very sad.
@JR-gl1nx
11 ай бұрын
Like that lady from his other video who went off the hiking trail for the bathroom and never made it back 🪦
@CommercialForest
11 ай бұрын
@@JR-gl1nx exactly
@shadowprince4482
11 ай бұрын
@@JR-gl1nx Had one coworker who nearly did something similar while working outdoors. Suddenly one of us noticed that she had missed us by nearly a football field on her way back. Just got lucky and happened to catch her as she missed us by a very large margin. Also I do a lot of backpacking and if I have to go to the bathroom at night all my gear has reflective tape on it, so extremely easy to see at night, and I leave one or two items in between my tent and where I go to the bathroom making sure I can see each item from the next to find my way back to my tent. During the day, either I use a GPS or a compass and just reverse the azimuth to get back. I got lost lost one time with a friend. Ever since, I don't play around with thinking I'll just find my way back.
@Maimuke
11 ай бұрын
With no shoes on her feet?
@It-is-me...Melsie
11 ай бұрын
@@Maimuke That is indeed what happened in the case in question, so yes of course.
@skreemqueen7520
11 ай бұрын
I’m the caregiver for my Aunt. She is 68 years old but mentally on the level of about a 8 year old. She is capable of doing a lot for herself but gets emotionally overwhelmed if put in unfamiliar situations. So I could definitely understand how this happened. My sympathy to Nora’s family. I can’t imagine what they have and still endure. Rest in peace, Sweet Nora 🕊️
@HeatherHolt
11 ай бұрын
Bless you for taking care of your aunt. Being a caregiver is a very difficult thing. ❤
@frisk151
10 ай бұрын
"God Bless" YOU, and also the same from someone like me, and I suspect many others.. "Angels" don't just flutter around spreading pixy dust and good wishes.. I've only been around a situation like this with my great grandmother who lived to be 103, but would only speak German.. Her (our?) family's native tongue from back in the late 1800's when her parents came over... She fortunately (for all involved) had a full time caretaker, who I still talk to to this very day... There is SO MUCH work that goes into this stuff.. MAD RESPECT to you! It might eventually get to the point (now) sooner than later, that I will (happily) need to take care of my parents who are in their 80's.. That'll happen without a single second of deliberation; however, I also know just how much of a legit challenge it will be.. Besides, it won't be fair to argue and talk sheot with my father any longer if it isn't a fair argument... :p (levity on that)... Again, I really respect what you are doing!
@williamsherman1089
10 ай бұрын
I still get overwhelmed in like large crowds of people or small places with alot of people moving and hurrying, just makes me wanna jump outta my own skin, cudos for taking care of your aunt
@skreemqueen7520
10 ай бұрын
@@frisk151 thank you and blessings to you. If you do become your parent’s caregiver one day , my best advice is to at the very beginning be sure to have help. Get another family member, friend or payed caregiver to commit to even just 1 day so you can be off. I did not do this when I first started taking care of my grandmother and my Aunt. It becomes ALL CONSUMING! There were times in the last few months of my grandmother’s life that I couldn’t even take a shower. I’m so thankful I was able to take care of her and now continue to care for my Aunt. However, I had no idea just how much it would be …… I’m a dental hygienist and thought,” I’ve been taking care of patients for many years , I got this , no problem!” How wrong I was …. I didn’t think about NEVER being off duty. So yeah , I say do it if you can but also from the very first week , have days off scheduled for yourself!!!! Love to you and your family.
@Melsincatuation
10 ай бұрын
Yes..I keep reading all these comments about how sad her parents must be...but I completely think its 100% possible tney, even her sister, collectively became overwhelmed ( as you can attest to) frustrated and tired of caring for her. Many times parents in that situation feels trapped, not what they wanted in life, and thinking this will be the rest of their life, thinks about "an alternative". I'm sure you understand what I mean...but would love to hear your thoughts!
@ajunthaanwari
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for covering Nora's story. I'm from Singapore, so it is a tragedy close to home. So many people stayed glued to the news portals, praying for her to be found. Rest in Peace, dear Nora.
@Saintsand_sinners
11 ай бұрын
Same here in Ireland, we were all listening to the news hoping for her to be found safe. R. I. P Norah and deepest condolences to her family.
@somebodyiusedtoknow6567
10 ай бұрын
I remember just living in hope she would be found safe bless her heart
@daynasafranek7807
11 ай бұрын
It’s incredibly sad that Nora was out there for so long and I can’t imagine what she was experiencing, but I know it wasn’t good just based on the outcome. Incredibly sad and most unfortunate.
@tadghsmith1457
11 ай бұрын
I remember this being covered at the time. Many people assumed she'd been abducted, at least until her body was found and there was no evidence of foul play. Just one of life's unfortunate tragedies it seems.
@TheTrevelyansway
11 ай бұрын
Exactly. No one is to blame. Not the parents, not the resort. Just an unfortunate incident.
@It-is-me...Melsie
11 ай бұрын
An absolute tragedy. It's so sad that so many people in the comments are so determined to find fault with the poor parents.
@Ms_Mary69
11 ай бұрын
I think as usual, you are spot on Dr. grande
@statementleaver8095
11 ай бұрын
🐃💩 This has McCann written all over it!! Funny how the Parents walked around the compound that day as a Family. Yet this girl struggled to Walk Talk and Dress herself. Mezzanine floor accessible by SPIRAL STAIRCASE!!! McCann girl was Drugged whilst the Parents got Pissed up🙊 This Girl was left outside on 3rd of August.....by the Parents!!
@david-dj8or
11 ай бұрын
Some lawyers would be quick to put a different spin to find blame and make a dollar.
@francislarv3012
11 ай бұрын
Impressed by the Malaysian Authorities investigation. Especially compared to tales of similar cases or any suspicious death overseas in some countries
@michelleshephard9690
11 ай бұрын
The thought of Nora alone and confused is hideous. It's too awful to think about.
@loiskondo8349
11 ай бұрын
My heart goes out to her family. Having lost a child myself I had to remind myself her suffering was over and not dwell upon how she felt dying. Thank you for your covering this tragic story Dr. Grande
@LuLeMen
11 ай бұрын
I am so so sorry
@kenya1067
11 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry for your loss.
@teijaflink2226
11 ай бұрын
The guilt the parents must feel even if they clearly could not have imagined something like this happening.
@ohdear2275
11 ай бұрын
I am very sorry for your loss and for your child's loss of their life. The loss of one's child has to be the most heart breaking of all 💔 I believe all parents who love their children would say this is their greatest fear, and only those who have lost their child can understand it. May God bless and comfort you 🙏❤🙏
@stormcorrosion176
10 ай бұрын
I’m sorry to read your story Lois. 😔 Much love to you. ❤️
@goldenagenut
11 ай бұрын
It sounds like the video footage from the station showed she was much more mobile and agile than earlier described. Given that and the fact that she showed no sign of being attacked, that she died of starvation it seems pretty clear she somehow made it that far on her own before stopping and eventually perishing. Very sad. 😕
@laurenurban3942
10 ай бұрын
A person can die of starvation after 4 days? Nothing was said about her being dehydrated so she must have drank some water somewhere? I’ve always been told that a human can go for up to a few weeks without food but not water. We must have water. This is very strange.
@AS-qg1xu
10 ай бұрын
@laurenurban3942 she was found along a stream
@goldenagenut
10 ай бұрын
@@AS-qg1xu hmm, considering the toxic garbage we dump into rivers that could have been a possible contributing factor if she drank some.
@AS-qg1xu
10 ай бұрын
@@goldenagenut for sure
@rebeccaliew2247
11 ай бұрын
As a Malaysian myself, I'm sorry Nora has to encounter such untimely death in my homeland she's unfamiliar with. It is true that my country has a lot of tropical rainforests with mountainous terrains + the weather here is very hot & humid, where there's no rain for days - sometimes, you can sweat through your fresh clothes after you've just showered a few minutes ago. This is why we Malaysians wear light clothing most times in order to counter the heat, especially in urban cities like KL (Kuala Lumpur). So, for Nora with orientation issues, I don't think she was exposed to a jungle before, let alone learn much jungle survival skills - except for one, i.e.: she used her instincts to search for water. Despite that, there is little doubt she could not handle Seremban's jungle/rainforest + have to discard her own undergarments in an effort to deal with the humidity. Also, the reason why no one was able to relocate her undergarments was likely, Nora wandered through an undiscovered/unknown jungle trail nobody has threaded through before. I doubt the rescue/recovery team went through there too.
@dariadari3370
11 ай бұрын
If I may ask taking advantage of the fact you're a Malaysian woman, is Malaysia a safe country for a woman traveling alone? I would like to visit Malaysia but I'm wondering if it's ok for a single girl in her early 30s. Sadly I have no one around who would like to go with me to see Malaysia 😢
@HeatherHolt
11 ай бұрын
@@dariadari3370I personally think going to any other country alone is scary. As a person but especially as a woman. You just never know what can happen, how their policing system works, their court systems (in case you get in trouble with the police somehow), which areas are safe/unsafe. The only country I’ll ever even visit period is Japan and that’s only with my family one day hopefully. Not saying you shouldn’t go and I’m sure there are plenty of women who have gone to Malaysia solo and been completely fine. Plus you’re old enough to pick up on strange feelings from strange situations-much different than an older teen or young adult (I’m thinking nataliee Holloway). I’m a very paranoid person having been in a few bad situations in my earlier life so take my advice with a grain of salt!! I can’t believe you can’t find one person you trust to go with you… I don’t think I could either. Maybe there is a traveling group somewhere in your area that goes on trips like this. It might be strangers but at least it would be like minded/aged people from your area?
@ohdear2275
11 ай бұрын
@@dariadari3370Please Google search your question. I'm a single female, and I have wanted to travel to foreign lands solo. I have been frightened out of the idea from the stories of treachery I've read re: females traveling alone to the countries I wanted to visit I'm old now, and I wish I had done it, but not alone. One may easily be drugged and may not be safe in hotels, even in locations that are generally considered safe. I've also been the victim of an armed robbery on Main Street in my small town and twice, while I was in my home, someone attempted to break in. I live in the US. I now have weapons in my home and have a concealed carry permit, so I can carry a handgun with me as long as I stay in State. I take my personal safety very seriously now.
@Melsincatuation
10 ай бұрын
@rebeccaliew what about deadly insects spiders, snakes or animals.. Are there many in your jungle???
@rebeccaliew2247
10 ай бұрын
@@Melsincatuation compare to Australia that houses a lot more deadly insects, spiders & snakes, Malaysia jungles are way safer. I would say be careful of wild boars, though. Also, some of our jungles have been commercialised to have jungle trekkings & paths for Malaysians who love trekking. I would say be not over-paranoid, go with common sense, follow the tour guide (if you hire one) & enjoy what nature has to offer you. 👍
@jimcronin2043
11 ай бұрын
Another possibility: during the hour-long walk around the compound Nora saw and experienced surroundings that pleased and stimulated her. She awoke before the rest of the family and decided to return to that scene and became disoriented in the process.
@markmike7933
11 ай бұрын
Hey that's not bad. She may not have realized that is was an extremely dangerous thing to do. But you'd think she'd be scared to be away from her parents at all. I think when they say she had the mentality of a child, that's not across the board. She may have had the desire for some independence that all kids her age have. That, coupled with her deficits in other areas could lead to such a nightmare. But what do you do? Put a bell around the poor kid's neck? Maybe a necklace with a GPS embedded in a nice piece of jewelry, or a smart watch. I dunno this sucks
@gonefishing167
11 ай бұрын
That’s a very good theory. 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
@evelynsouzaferreira4593
11 ай бұрын
At the time she went missing there was talk that she liked waterfalls and that she may have gone out to look for the waterfall. The Lata Berembun Waterfall is a walk that is conducted from the resort and there could have been discussion about that waterfall
@adriel7229
11 ай бұрын
This sounds very likely. With the jet lag her internal clock would have been off and maybe she was wide awake in the middle of the night. I think she may have removed her underwear in the jungle to relieve herself or if she had soiled them. Glad she found water at least, and avoided the suffering of dehydration. Sounds like she passed peacefully.
@jimcronin2043
11 ай бұрын
@@markmike7933 When I was about 5 or 6 y.o. my father took me to an ice cream shop and bought me a sundae. The next day (as the story goes) I was returned home by the police after my mother called them to report me missing. I had wandered off to find the ice cream shop once again. As to Nora's case, we are told that she has the mind of a 6 y.o. She is not a vegetable. Who knows in fact what goes through another's mind?
@Contessa6363
11 ай бұрын
Sad story. Dementia patients wander out all the times. They become disoriented. I believe she wandered out on her own. Even though she did not have dementia there are a few similarities between a dementia patient and someone that has some form of diminished capacity.
@HeatherHolt
11 ай бұрын
I think you are spot on
@noodles5004
11 ай бұрын
Yes!! I worked in employment services specifically with people who have a disability and the assessor would spend half an hour with them at most and then provide a report that didn't really identify their needs correctly.
@melissaharris3389
Ай бұрын
I wonder if she'd eloped before. Especially in a novel and exciting environment. Some kids are more prone to wander off, and it's especially prevalent among children with nerodivergence and cognitive issues as they can become hyper focused on the most insignificant of things. That, along with a childs inability to understand how dangerous something can be, can lead to something terrible like this.
@suereeves5994
11 ай бұрын
Poor Nora. I live in UK and remember her going missing. There was a fellow from Birmingham who was mentally challenged years before, he was shopping in the city centre with his family and got separated from them, and was found days later on a bench deceased.
@whodoesntluvpapas
11 ай бұрын
gosh, that's sad😩
@kenya1067
11 ай бұрын
That's so horrible. Idk if fear caused these two to 0sd5 rapidly. Like hopelessness or something. That's so sad.
@kweenz109
10 ай бұрын
Oh that's so freaking sad :(
@ciaranw-man5619
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this tragic case Dr ! Btw mothers name is Irish, Meabh pronounced May-ve
@mistrjt9213
11 ай бұрын
Nora can walk. That’s the only thing she needed to be capable of. There are stories of toddlers wandering off. Why not a little lady, albeit mentally retarded.
@10splitter
11 ай бұрын
As a perfectly capable adult, I became lost in the woods of southern Ontario on two occasions, once while looking for firewood and once while looking for a portage trail between two lakes. Fortunately for me, I was close enough to my fellow travelers that when I yelled for help, they heard me and yelled back. For people who don't camp in the wilderness, when the sun in obscured by clouds, it's far easier to lose one's bearings than would otherwise be thought.
@HeatherHolt
11 ай бұрын
That’s so scary. The woods freak me out.
@kweenz109
10 ай бұрын
You didn't learn your lesson the first time?? Lol. I've been to Ontario and yeah it can be dense. Glad you froze and yelled out instead of panicked and ran deeper into the woods
@uralbob1
11 ай бұрын
Dr. Grande: This is one of your best episodes, in my opinion. Even though this is a tragically heartbreaking story for the family, it’s good that this young girl did not succumb to evil. Hopefully, she wasn’t cognizant of the peril she was in. I also hope that she did not suffer unnecessarily. To her family: My heart goes out to you all. Thank you sincerely, Dr. Grande.
@AB-un4io
11 ай бұрын
Thank you! So well said.
@Alkis05
11 ай бұрын
Not suffer? She died of starvation and from an ulcera in her stomach, alone in the middle of a jungle with the mental age of a 6 yo. Of course she suffered and died in fear, pain and despair.
@laurenrowell9251
11 ай бұрын
@@Alkis05 She said that she *hoped* that the girl didn't "suffer unnecessarily." That's a far cry from your statement. Read between the lines.
@Alkis05
11 ай бұрын
@@laurenrowell9251 Yeah, I get what was meant. My point is that suffer the girl did, regardless of what we hope for. No point in sugar coating it. "Suffering unnecessary"? What does that even mean? She certainly suffered enough. No amount of hopping is gonna change that.
@laurenrowell9251
11 ай бұрын
@@Alkis05 The original commenter stated, "I also hope that she did not suffer unnecessarily." The word, "unnecessarily" is an adverb, which is a modifier of a verb; whereas the word, "unnecessary" is an adjective, which modifies a noun. ~ However, you're splitting hairs here. I know the girl suffered; no argument there. Yet again, the OP was gracious in her commentary, you were not, and *that* is the point I was making. Good night. Edit: No one said the phrase, "Suffering unnecessary" except you. You're transposing words and/or letters.
@nafeesahtynetta
11 ай бұрын
My 10 year old nephew is disabled and i babysit him frequently. His parents are always surprised when I tell them what he was able to accomplish at my house.
@757Princess
10 ай бұрын
This! The limitations they’re giving her don’t even match a 6 year old. They are very curious and independent.
@esteemedmortal5917
11 ай бұрын
How awful. Knowing she must of been suffering and not being able to find her…devastated doesn’t even begin to describe it.
@elizabethcotton4659
11 ай бұрын
I’m from the UK. Thanks for covering. Initially I thought it was going to be another Madeleine McCann abduction. However, given the evidence, and the immediate response (unlike Madeleine’s) I agree with your theory. God rest her beautiful soul and may her family have some peace. She was very loved x ❤️
@lovestacy04ify
11 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who falls asleep to Dr. Grande’s voice at night? I always have him number one on my fall asleep playlist because he has a very soothing voice 😅
@SLefd
11 ай бұрын
Practically every. single. night. here😂 For I don't know how long now - maybe two years? A few others I might also have been able to listen to, have intros or other variations in sound that are too stimulating / loud for the brain. In Dr Grande you can trust! 🥰 I never watch the screen - it would have upset me or interested me too much to see photos of all these unhappy, unlucky people. But to me it is absolutely necessary to set the speed to 0.75. The speed which he is speaking is way too stressful to me at least when I'm trying to rest or to sleep. 😇
@LeoSunScorpioMoon
11 ай бұрын
I am from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. And The Dusun in Seremban is a very beautiful and safe place to visit. Thank you for your analysis, Dr Grande
@MikeBreen-v7f
11 ай бұрын
Omy I am from kuiloup is a small island around the dyhzart bay area .
@mikehoben7341
11 ай бұрын
You killed her! And now you’re monitoring the case from afar. Just/Kidding enjoy my good friend
@MattCarvin
11 ай бұрын
Jesus dude
@chrissyknowsitall5170
11 ай бұрын
This is such a heartbreaking case. Those poor parents and that little girl. RIP Angel🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊
@TheDealMaster
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for covering this Dr. Grande. This is a tough one. I hope you have a great weekend!
@susanmann5286
11 ай бұрын
This happened on the island of St. John, USVI. A resident, in the early stages of a Dementia condition went missing. He went outside to locate a toilet, and did not return to the property his family rented. They were full time island residents. The island terrain is challenging which made it difficult to search for him. Many people volunteered to look for this man, but had no luck. The island is very humid with few sources of water. Finally, a tourist with some sort of specialized geographical training heard about what happened. After making tabulations, he suggested a possible location to search. The missing man was found, face down in a crevice, deceased. It had been three days since he went missing. The man's family expressed that they did not fully understand the extent of the man's Dementia. My point is, these terrible things happen, even when a person with special needs is being very well cared for. I was living on St. John when the incident mentioned took place. I hope the family of the young girl here does not feel there was more to be done. RIP.
@georgemoore-wg5jj
11 ай бұрын
Hi Susan 🌹🌹 How are you doing?
@pamelastevens1609
11 ай бұрын
So many people on here really want to blame someone - particularly the parents. I mean, sure, its possible. Anything is possible. However, I'm pretty confident that was looked into and not found and therefore, not discussed in the media. People always seem to think they thought of something first that didn't occur to professionals in the field, and thats really not how life works. Your thoughts aren't that new, unique or special. People dont seem to understand that these things can and do happen frequently in life and there is not always fault to be assigned.
@eadweard.
11 ай бұрын
Many of them seem to pride themselves in taking no notice of the actual evidence.
@It-is-me...Melsie
11 ай бұрын
I know, right! If you read enough comments the parents are blamed in every aspect, from where they dared choose to holiday to them secretly turning evil and having a hand in it. It's clear no matter what these parents did, no matter where they went on their family holiday, such people will find a way to blame them for their choices.
@NunYa-m4h
11 ай бұрын
How are you "pretty confident" the parent angle was investigated by authorities? What evidence do you have that the parents were ruled out as suspects? Because nothing about that was mentioned in the video.
@pamelastevens1609
11 ай бұрын
@user-dv8db5pg3h Do you seriously think every single aspect and angle of an investigation is trotted out to the public? Say they looked into the parents, and there was absolutely nothing there. Why would they even publicize it? They probably looked into everyone who worked or vacationed at the resort during the timeframe of the disapoearance, but they arent going to tell reporters, "Yeah, we looked at Dan who works 3rd shift checking people in and checked his criminal history, phone records, any nearby surveillance videos, and 40 other things and there's no evidence of any involvement, and then we checked Millie, who rented the house two blocks down and looked at this, this and this and there's no evidence of her sneaking in" and repeat with 20 other people, so okay, and found nothing. We dont hear this, do we?Did it occur? More than likely, yes. These people are trained in their field and would typically perform a very thorough vetting of everyone depending on what is legal in that particular country. That doesn't make Dan or Millie or the parents are guilty because it's not on the news and no one spoonfed it to the public. We cannot be 100% sure of anythibg unless we are directly involved, because trained professionals are human and there are ranges of competence for people doing their jobs, but by and large, it's pretty standard that the parents would be investigated. But that also doesn't mean there's some huge conspiracy because Mona, the retired factory worker who half listened to a podcast, has a gut feeling the parents did it.
@mae3378
11 ай бұрын
Poor girl, she must have been so frightened. And her poor family, what a horrifying situation
@sonjagarcia9252
11 ай бұрын
I feel like people always underestimate the abilities of a person. Regardless of state of mind or being special needs. Im surprised she didnt get further. May she rip. Its a very sad and tragic situation/story.
@markmike7933
11 ай бұрын
I think they OVERESTIMATED her. They obviously thought that she would know better than to leave the home or couldnt become disoriented due to her issues. They were wrong. And it breaks my heart.
@giabarrone7422
11 ай бұрын
I’m shocked they didn’t even search a 2 mile radius for weeks. I’ve seen toddlers wander farther into wooded areas on their own.
@teijaflink2226
11 ай бұрын
Yeah the only problem I can see that they should have looked more after her in the area incase she had wandered and got lost.
@It-is-me...Melsie
11 ай бұрын
@@giabarrone7422 They did though. I don't know why you'd think they didn't.
@gigi9301
10 ай бұрын
@@It-is-me...Melsie Yes, per Dr G, the area in which she was found had already been searched previously, so perhaps she was still alive and wandering/lost when they first looked in that area
@sunnycatc6491
10 ай бұрын
Please allow me to finish Dr. Grande's research on this one. I just spent $3.99 on the mom's poorly written, condescending word-salad filled "business" book on Amazon, and watched her awkward, boring Ted talk. The dad's resume shows dozens of techie sales jobs, one after another in short succession. Their family collected more than $125,000 in Go Fund Mes, and sued Facebook AND the Malaysian resort. Ok, please draw your own conclusions about what happened to this innocent young lady. 😢 RIP
@Jenny-nz8fb
11 ай бұрын
My friend lived near a jungle when she was younger. Her brothers used to play in the jungle with her and then run away from her . Fortunately she found her way out every time. What a shame for this girl.
@thomascarroll9653
11 ай бұрын
Méabh is pronounced as Mave, not Mabe. its Irish.
@nuthinbutluv4u142
10 ай бұрын
Option #3. The call is coming from inside the house. Or someone led her outside.
@icturner23
11 ай бұрын
This has eerily come right after I’ve seen that a mentally disabled teenager has gone missing today in a city where I used to live. I just hope that it has a much happier ending.
@icturner23
11 ай бұрын
He has been found. There are ominous similarities, though. He had never been out on his own but was able to stay out all day and go all over the city, and indeed had nearly made it home when he was found. Parents are often not aware of how capable their children are and disabled children are no exception. Nora may well have walked much further in total, albeit slowly, and hence been further away when that area was searched. She indeed may have also hidden every time she heard anyone. She may have washed in a stream (as that would be a daily routine she was used to) and removed her underwear then, only for it to get washed away.
@It-is-me...Melsie
11 ай бұрын
@@icturner23 Absolutely. It is not unusual either for bodies to be found in areas that were previously searched. Lost and disorientated people often wander in circles and back track.
@laurieschneider5278
11 ай бұрын
@@icturner23 e
@cats.addict6457
11 ай бұрын
Living in Singapore I followed this case very closely. I heard all the scenarios including malefic identity and superstition... one thing not making sense with the idea that she left is walking in the jungle bare feet would have left deep cuts and bruises on her feet but her feet showed absolutely no signs or damages. Unless somebody some day bring some testimony, it seems that the poor family will never know what happened to their beloved daughter and will have to live with their awful weight on their shoulders. RIP lovely Nora & Courage to the families and loved ones 🙏🙏🙏
@richardlongmore9301
11 ай бұрын
When in Thailand I ventured into the jungle on my own. I got in by walking down a dried up river bed. After about half a hour I wanted to go back only to discover I had disturbed millions of spiders and the floor to the riverbed was literally moving and impossible to go through anymore as I would be covered in spiders in seconds. I sat there on a rock thinking about what to do when a massive snake came slithering towards me. This snake was literally 10ft long I was absolutely terrified. I thought I was going to die and there was nothing I could do. I stayed still and let the snake pass and when it got close it reared up and literally took a look at me then slithers off. I eventually ran through the spiders and got out but will never go into the jungle again
@nlwilson4892
10 ай бұрын
You need to do a video on this!
@richardlongmore9301
10 ай бұрын
@@nlwilson4892 I know right. It was truly terrifying as I know you can’t out run a snake especially when on a rocky river bed. I wish I had a camera or something with me to record the snake 🐍 when I got back to Pai where I was staying and told my Thai friend who lives there she looked at me like I was the stupidest person she had ever met then told me never to do that again and explained all the things that could of killed me. She said the river banks are littered with funnel Webb spiders that if one bites you you will be very ill but if two bite you you will probably die even though I don’t think they were the spiders that was covering the floor I did see funnel Webb’s on another day. Long story short THE JUNGLE IS A VERY DANGEROUS PLACE
@Heywood.Jablome
11 ай бұрын
"There are many ways into that jungle, precious few ways out" Volunteers 1985 Tom Hanks and John Candy
@MsFrozz
11 ай бұрын
We, the locals feel (a gossip of the town kind of) like it’s a mercy killing by …………… The parents said a few things that were untrue, like she was a mute but a cctv of our airport showed the evidence that she communicated a lot.
@kitkatclawz
11 ай бұрын
I can see why people would look at it that way... What's interesting, is that Nora was found in a spot that had previously been searched... It feels like she was placed there after she died.
@MattCarvin
11 ай бұрын
I think she was hiding from rescuers. She was shy and never approached strangers, and there were a bunch of people she didn’t know walking around and yelling. Her moms voice electronically amplified from the the sky in a noisy helicopter might also have been pretty scary and disorienting if you already don’t know where you are or what’s happening. Lots of reasons she might have left the house too, could have heard something interesting or scary, lots of crazy sounds in the jungle at night.
@kitkatclawz
11 ай бұрын
On top of that, her parents said they heard 2 voices whispering that night but they were both too sleepy to check it out? Why wouldn't you do that in a strange place that you're staying in? I don't think there were 2 voices that night whispering...
@johnscales206
11 ай бұрын
I remember this story in the news. It was incredibly sad story. May she rest in peace
@rejaneoliveira5019
11 ай бұрын
What a tragic and sad case. I can’t even begin to imagine what she and her family must gone through, utterly heartbreaking. Thank you, Dr. Grande.❤
@tiredofit4761
10 ай бұрын
Why would she be kidnapped by strangers if no DNA was found in her and she had no money. Maybe the family wanted rid of her. I work for disabled young patients and families sometimes see them as a burden. The vacation in a jungle could be a good way to just say “she’s wandered out”… I hate to say that about the family. Hopefully it’s not true but it does happen. Poor baby.
@walkerwife5305
10 ай бұрын
When I was around 9-10, my family (parents, older brother & sister) went camping. During one of the nights, I somehow slept walked down to the river’s edge, walked down 3-4 campsites, then crawled into a strangers tent. I vividly remember being so confused when I woke up to the strangers asking me who I was, I just kept repeating that I had to use the bathroom. I guess I must have dreamt that I was going to the restrooms, but instead went the exact opposite way. Scary thinking how similar this sounds. Hopefully one day her family will get real answers.
@itsalwayssunnyinpahoa7631
11 ай бұрын
“Teenager is missing after trek through jungle” Yikes, that’s a bummer. I mean, I am from Polynesia. I grew up hiking and camping in dense jungles whilst mountain climbing and hunting and such. Tropical jungles can be extremely unforgiving. I have on multiple occasions almost lost my life over the years due to flash floods, rock-falls/landslides, heat stroke, wild boars and more. Merely hiking through the thick jungle is in itself an arduous task, especially if one must carve an initial path with a machete. Anyways, I know the fear that she was experiencing before she passed. Being lost and alone in an unforgiving jungle after running out of supplies is an extremely frightening and dangerous situation that is demoralizing and requires a ton of skills and inner strength to overcome. How tragic. That poor thing, may her soul Rest In Peace.
@beverlyhills7883
11 ай бұрын
Very sincere condolences to the parents & family. RIP Nora.
@BigZebraCom
11 ай бұрын
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what might be happening in the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight In the jungle, the mighty jungle The lion sleeps tonight Wee heeheehee weeoh aweem away Wee heeheehee weeoh aweem away
@deplorablealchemy
11 ай бұрын
🤣
@BigZebraCom
11 ай бұрын
@@deplorablealchemy 🦓
@Snakesnarl
10 ай бұрын
Dr grande doesn’t usually make pronunciation mistakes, but meabh is pronounced “Maeve”
@andreas6639
11 ай бұрын
Having a special needs daughter myself. My heart goes out to this family. What an absolute nightmare.
@markmike7933
11 ай бұрын
Someone made an interesting comment. Maybe she saw an area she really liked and wanted to revisit it. I would build on that by adding maybe she was like other 15 year olds in her desire for some bit of independence and decided to revisit the area on her own. I LOVED being alone on my bike at that age...just being free. She was like other 15 year old in that way possibly...but childlike in other way perhaps and the combination in this case was deadly. Ah, this case SUCKS all around. God I feel bad for her and her family.
@Timesend
10 ай бұрын
The jungle/forest is beyond easy to lost in. I’ve got lost in a small woods with my family before. It was tiny in comparison to a jungle but we was lost for hours and had absolutely no idea where we was. We found the car park we parked in by luck and it was dark. It was terrifying.
@rullvox5912
11 ай бұрын
If Noras fingerprints were not on the window, then she did not open it. This case is sad.
@EricK-tb2dn
11 ай бұрын
That's 100% false. Quick example, DNA was found on the knife sheath in the Idaho 4 murders but no finger prints were found. I'm 99% sure my uncle broke into my house when I was a kid but no usable finger prints were on the window.
@kitt7477
10 ай бұрын
If she had so many physical disabilities & could only walk on flat ground, how did she get down a spiral staircase from the 2nd floor on her own?
@AS-qg1xu
10 ай бұрын
Exactly, and Airport security footage showed her walking fine and pulling her own suitcase
@marielleo4715
7 ай бұрын
She acted not alone,may be the mother or father had helped her to go out and left alone!
@verabean905
11 ай бұрын
Heres my theory: Monkey/s entered house to steal food. She followed them in fascination and got lost.
@AdeleTheMancunian
11 ай бұрын
Utterly tragic for this vulnerable girl. I’ve learned from listening to this. Thank you Dr Grande.
@suemccarthy853
10 ай бұрын
The mother’s name, Maebh, is pronounced May-ve, not Meeb.
@georgiak6017
11 ай бұрын
Two year olds have wandered a lot further than that. Malaysia is really hot and humid. Amazing she did not get heat stroke.
@SueRosalie
10 ай бұрын
yes
@melissaharris3389
Ай бұрын
That's likely why she was naked. She remove whatever clothes she was wearing due to the extreme humidity.
@balancedL
11 ай бұрын
My heart goes out to Nora’s family and friends. I agree there is no person at fault here. I have no doubt searchers tried their utmost to find her quickly, but jungles are very good at hiding people from view.
@Melsincatuation
10 ай бұрын
I think many times a family sadly becomes "tired" and " frustrated" with someone with severe disabilities and if I were authorities I would look real hard at the parents..one could have donenitvwithoutvthe other knowing or they did it together... Took her deep into the jungle and told her to stay...
@Stardustpal25
10 ай бұрын
The dog barked either way, someone's lying.
@terrimitchell5616
10 ай бұрын
Sorry, I know this is kinda dark…how much life insurance did she have? Why didn’t she have an Apple Watch on, or some other kind of tracker?
@Sumiyeco_boutique
11 ай бұрын
I’m surprised that no one suspected the parents. It has happened before that parents have abandoned or murdered their child with severe disabilities, because they don’t want to burden themselves any longer. So these “mysterious” circumstances could be explained if the parents abandoned the girl in the woods. They left her naked to make it seem like she was s*xually assaulted. They could have lied about what she was wearing and also about hearing muffled voices and also staged the open window. They took advantage that they were in a foreign, 3rd world country to execute this. Somebody needs to look into this actually most likely scenario.
@SLefd
11 ай бұрын
I haven't heard or read about this case before, but will do now. Because exactly what you're saying! I don't have any reason to believe that the parents wanted to do it, but if the investigators were certain no one came from the outside, then why is it not possible that it all was done by the parents??? I'm sitting here like a question mark, wondering why Grande didn't even bring this up. Or did he? Must check, I was slightly distracted there for a moment).
@TheUnknownSwan
10 ай бұрын
Everything seems fishy... First, why would you vacation in a place so damn dangerous if your child has severe mental disorders? Second, it wouldn't surprise me if some local creep knows about the broken latch, knowing who was staying there, and took advantage of the situation. I definitely don't think she accidentally crawled out the window and wondered around unless someone was coaxing her...based on how she was described in the video. No, it wasn't an accident, my instincts are telling me.
@xxxxxxxxx3944
10 ай бұрын
Have you been to Malaysian jungle at night ? I have, and it is extremely difficult to kidnap someone in difficult terrain at night where it is absolutely PITCH BLACK. Much easier to kidnap a local on the outskirts of the city if that is your inclination. Kidnapping western tourists would trigger the kind of reaction and scrutiny you saw there. Much less attention when a local "loose" woman goes missing. Any would be kidnappers are pretty idiotic to be trying this at Dusun.
@sugarspice7768
11 ай бұрын
What about option 3: one of the parents lured her into the jungle and abandoned her? It's sadly not unheard of. Aren't most children killed by a family member? Was this type of trip typical for the family? Having a disabled child is stressful, when they hit puberty there is a whole new dimension to the stress. That would not justify abandoning her in a jungle but it could be a motive. I would like to find out more about the parents and family.
@sy_dianne5224
9 ай бұрын
I was also wondering if the family was even investigated...not blaming anyone here as I don't know the situation but usually all theories need to at least be checked
@marielleo4715
7 ай бұрын
I agree with you! The parents were involved ... in her death! I think that this journey was planned and the Jungle ...etc.
@andrewdewit4711
11 ай бұрын
Poor kid, whose extreme level of fear is indicated by the ulceration of her intestinal tract.
@laurenurban3942
10 ай бұрын
Is that what happened?
@youtubehandle-
11 ай бұрын
Very sad case and good analysis, thank you Dr. Grande. ❤
@susiethomas6909
10 ай бұрын
I didn’t know someone could die of starvation that quickly. Would stress and starvation really cause a life threatening ulcer that quickly?
@melissaharris3389
Ай бұрын
A normal weight, physically healthy teen, should have been able to survive for 10 days given water. A regular teen would likely have been found weak but alive since she was near a steam. It was the extreme stress of being lost that killed her, unfortunately. Given the information given on her condition and past behavior, she cognitively couldn't deal with stress of being lost. She was likely in an an extreme stress response state similar to a panic attack for _days_ to cause an ulcer bad enough to kill her. Think of a small child having a crying fit. They can be incoherent with tears while wandering around seemingly aimlessly.
@Dawn-f7g
11 ай бұрын
Very odd place to take a compromised child, a jungle? Really? Not secure the unit? Really? Kind of like that movie star who’s disabled son just happen to “bang” his head and die…. Convenient and inexpensive disposal of disable kids - what a scam.😢😢😢
@leokimvideo
11 ай бұрын
Died of misadventure is always such a sinister way to die. It tends to leave the closest to her as major suspects in her death.
@cats.addict6457
11 ай бұрын
They were thoroughly investigated but nothing never brought any doubt or suspicion
@janedoe4316
11 ай бұрын
Misadventure is generally acts of the victims own decision making. Not usually suspects, or it would likely be undetermined
@TheVAULTofHORROR
11 ай бұрын
Yeah that's not true at all 😂 Death by misadventure us usually with accident of sorts.
@seymourclearly
10 ай бұрын
That's a terrible thing to say, don't you think her parents are suffering enough
@snagireddy3283
10 ай бұрын
@@cats.addict6457are you sure?
@cptjockitch
11 ай бұрын
Nora was in a new area and could easily have gotten lost in the woods. Not sure why anyone would think this was impossible. The parents didnt hear nothing. They hope they heard something because its fits the narrative they hope happened. I watch a lot of lost persons cases and everytime people get lost in the woods someone blames it on a kidnapping. I think we underestimate the woods and wilderness. This shows how few people have actually gone into the woods. Its super easy to get lost in the woods.
@whodoesntluvpapas
11 ай бұрын
seriously. I have watched way too many Mr. Ballen episodes at this point, and know that we are not mightier than nature. the amount of crazy stuff that happens in the woods and the amount of people who still get lost in the woods is alarming...and this was the jungle😳
@wrosebrock
11 ай бұрын
Ok but most 15 year olds would be terrified to go alone into the woods in the dark in the middle of the night
@MaidenHelll
11 ай бұрын
And she was naked…
@nlwilson4892
10 ай бұрын
@@MaidenHelll She was in underwear when she went out. Not clear what exactly but if that is knickers and a vest she may not perceive that as different than a bikini and it would be very warm at night so might not have been an issue to her.
@imtired6104
11 ай бұрын
This poor girl, how sad. Thank you for another interesting video, Dr. Grande!
@deborahpye178
11 ай бұрын
I wonder if she was sleepwalking? Years ago, my family went to Spain on holiday. The first night in the villa, I got up and attempted to open the shutters on the bedroom window, stumbling over a chair and bumping my nose. In the morning I wondered why I had a sore and swollen nose as I had no memory of trying to open the shutters. My sister told me what I’d done, and I always thought it was odd that I’d tried to open the shutters in my sleep.
@georgemoore-wg5jj
11 ай бұрын
Hi Deborah🌹🌹 How are you doing?
@JulieCaptivatedinFl
11 ай бұрын
What if the parent/s chose the resort on purpose? Perhaps they put her in the jungle, left her there from stress of taking care of a special needs child. If I heard anyone whispering at night, I would wake up and check the kids. Parents involved.
@It-is-me...Melsie
11 ай бұрын
Unlikely! They THINK they heard whispering in their desperation for answers.
@eadweard.
11 ай бұрын
Half-baked drivel.
@ClaireisVegan
11 ай бұрын
When somewhere unfamiliar it's always best to sleep in the same room with a vulnerable child with additional needs .
@NunYa-m4h
11 ай бұрын
It's a very reasonable theory based on the evidence and we know people kill their own kids all the time and yet people in this comment section think it's outrageous to even suggest it. Were the parents even suspected or investigated? We don't know. Nothing was mentioned about it.
@onlyalisaawilliams
11 ай бұрын
Extremely sad… I agree with you, the evidence points to her wandering off, and became disoriented.
@DRnab1983
11 ай бұрын
Meabh - is pronounced May-ve Think queen Maeve / Meabh from the boys
@aisoconcranberriesu2as
11 ай бұрын
A lot of people saying the parents did it but then why were the parents upset when the authorities concluded that there was no foul play. That would have been good for them if they were guilty of anything. They continued to insist she must have been taken.
@libbyclement5148
11 ай бұрын
Having worked with many people with a disability I have seen them remove their undergarments due to toileting accidents or use them as toilet paper if the paper had ran out 😢 They hide when feel threatened by the presence of strangers regardless of family or carer being around so she may have finally coming out for a drink and then collapsed from exhaustion 😢 Regardless it is a sad way for her to pass away and my sympathy to her family 💔
@AS-qg1xu
10 ай бұрын
Agreed
@TalayanMiger
11 ай бұрын
I remember this case. In the local mainstream news, Nora's parents and Malaysians accused the resort or local men who worked there. On forums, Malaysians believed it was all an orchestrated plan by her parents to part with her. Some people were stunned that the M'sian police didn’t question the parents or even suspected them, but Malaysia does have a tendency to go easy on white foreigners + wanting to please them, so Nora's family was allowed to leave the country. Very sad what happened to Nora.
@gigi9301
11 ай бұрын
Agreed. The parents could have at least ensured the safety of the entire family by insisting that the broken window be fixed (and by inspecting the premises in the 1st place to know that there was a broken window). I think if I were the parent of a disabled child, I would be extra careful about the safety and whereabouts of that child, especially while on vacation in a foreign destination. Something about the parents and this story seems "not right" to me. I could be completely wrong, but that's what my gut is telling me.
@kisaragistation5220
11 ай бұрын
Cleo Smith's parents were also blamed for her disappearance in Australia, especially the stepfather. Cleo went missing from a campsite. It was thought she was too young to wander far alone (4). Turns out a strange man did take her and held her captive. Forums were very accusatory of the parents
@kisaragistation5220
10 ай бұрын
@@AS-qg1xu One witness said it and the public still attacked the parents. Technically there are the foreign fingerprints on the window but yet again you are still going for the parents throats.
@AS-qg1xu
10 ай бұрын
@kisaragistation5220 The trip advisor reviews for this place show that it wasn't all that clean. Obviously there's going to be Fingerprints from prior guests.
@kisaragistation5220
10 ай бұрын
@@AS-qg1xu Who are you to judge the parents? You made that mistake with Cleo
@khepresh
11 ай бұрын
I saw a video of Nora from the year before she went missing. Nora was on a trek down a dirt road in Africa, there were about a dozen other people but nobody was holding her hand or even standing close beside or behind her. I don't believe anyone expected her to have great difficulty walking or to fall.
@kisaragistation5220
11 ай бұрын
In jungle terrain even a normal person would struggle
@khepresh
11 ай бұрын
@@kisaragistation5220 You have 2 options: 1) A handicapped 15yr old was hiding in an area being searched by police and locals. 2) The killer of a handicapped 15yr old chose to carry her dead body through an area he knew was being actively searched by police and locals instead of dumping it somewhere else.
@Vixen522
11 ай бұрын
Did anyone rule out the parents?
@marielleo4715
7 ай бұрын
They were invoved! This is m opinion!
@marielleo4715
5 ай бұрын
Because they are astute. This was planed in this strange country, in this place in the Jungle at exact time.
@daisyb5646
11 ай бұрын
Great video and analysis. I worked in a residential home for people with learning difficulties and was a social worker, and know that people who are deemed disabled can be surprising physically. A girl in her thirties who I worked with was unable to walk, lacked mental capacity and was dependent on care givers to maintain her well-being, yet inexplicably she was unbelievably strong. She would keep damaging her wheelchairs and beds by snapping metal off in her bare hands and ultra heavy duty replacements did not help as she merely broke off reinforced components with ease. The providers of equipment could not belueve it as their most robust equipment, which was as strong as prison window bars, was being easily bent by a disabled girl, and nothing stronger existed. care givers had to treble up to deliver care as she was so strong that she could lift a full grown man up above her head as she sat down, and she used to pull ladies close to her and cuddle them in bed and they were mere prisoners in her arms, restrained until she could be distracted to let them go. She never wanted men intimately close to her, she just handled men roughly, picked them up or threw them across the room. She was so strong that she would lift free standing industrial ovens and fridges up as though they weighed nothing, yet two men were required to move them. I have no idea how she got so strong, but she was far and away the strongest person I ever heard about. Her shoulders and arms were incredibly well built and her muscles bulged and rippled. Everyone was scared of her, especially the men!
@MK-jc9ov
10 ай бұрын
Yeah right ... lol
@barbaramiller2956
11 ай бұрын
Any suspicions on the family? Unfortunately, we've seen a number of tragic cases, where families are involved in their disabled child's death. It seems like a long way to go for a family vacation. The report of hiking around for an hour on the first day seems a bit off to me. Not wishing anything on the family, other than truth. Rest in Peace, Nora.
@mikielynn779
11 ай бұрын
Thoughts and prayers to the family and friends. It is heartbreaking. ❤🙏
@kweenz109
10 ай бұрын
I would love if you to cover the dexter wade case. His mom was in the middle of lawsuits with police after they killed her brother. Then her adult son left the house and never returned one night only to be found in an unmarked grave 7 months later. Turns out police ran him over and held him in a morgue for 2 weeks before burying him. The police Damn well know who he was and that his mother was looking for him. He also had been in jail before so they had his fingerprints. Of course there's no transparency in this case. Would love to know what you think.
@rowanrobbins
11 ай бұрын
I remember reading about this when Nora first disappeared. I questioned the wisdom of taking her to such a place. She needed a lot of help and supervision. The environment was very different from her everyday life. There were bound to be unusual stresses on her and the family. It was a risk not worth it and poorly thought out, in my opinion. That being said, no one should assume her parents were negligent. They meant well and loved Nora. It's heartbreaking and I wish them peace.
@929cbr_rr
11 ай бұрын
Tragic. Heartbreaking. May this poor child rest in peace.
@kathypappas6867
11 ай бұрын
I would have thought twice about taking her on vacation there. If I as a parent knew she got disoriented, scared and had other problems I personally wouldn't have taken her anywhere like that . Not putting blame on the parents , just saying what I would do . Sad case.
@georgemoore-wg5jj
11 ай бұрын
Hi Kathy🌹🌹 How are you doing?
@barbieblue3336
11 ай бұрын
Some of the worst stories I've read of are dementia patients wandering from home and dying close by home. Or individuals or couples driving home from family gatherings and getting lost. Sometimes they just drive & drive 😢 There's a woman in nj who had dementia. Lived near the ocean. She wandered off, never to be seen again 😢 they still don't know what happened...they think she maybe walked into the ocean
@dmichael4153
11 ай бұрын
If it had been Jesus with dementia, he may have walked across the top of the ocean and be found in a different country.
@MyEnemy
11 ай бұрын
She may have followed a cat or other small animal into the jungle. So, so, tragic.
@The_Rock_Princess
11 ай бұрын
There is a 3rd option. Umm.. Sometimes parents get overwhelmed with special needs kids. I AM NOT accusing ANYONE! But does anyone remember that mom that threw her Down Syndrome off a bridge (not knowing there were cameras)? She said the child just freaked out and jumped but a suspicious fellow hiker had a lot of questions. Turns out for good reason. Everyone originally just bought the story. Hope this is not the case for this girl but… 🤦♀️ It does happen 🤷♀️
@eadweard.
11 ай бұрын
Not sure how any of that is relevant in this case.
@gigi9301
11 ай бұрын
I am thinking the same thing; it's kind of the perfect set-up for parents to "lose" her and my instinct just tells me there is something off about this whole story.
@Swansong321
11 ай бұрын
I dunno..remembering this case the parents seemed SO worried and devastated..I think that a weirdo took her poor child
@thesongbird2383
11 ай бұрын
Bingo! The parents are first on my list, especially considering all other known factors. Nora may have become too much of a burden. Dr. Grande, didn't mention if the parents were interrogated. So, we wonder! Sad situation.
@gailkelly6154
11 ай бұрын
If they didn't want her I think they would have done it sooner when she was young/toddler cause that is when she would have been harder to deal with. They said she was shy . She looks extremely well cared for and her hair nice. If they didn't want her I don't think they would have taken care like this.
@rebacrow5604
11 ай бұрын
I know that u have heard my comments many times over if u do read them. I know u are a very busy man but I declare there’s just no other way to put it rather than to say, you are so smart in figuring things out. My mind can’t think like that. I love your channel Dr Grande and I think u are a very great man. Be safe and I hope you have a wonderful Thankgiving and Christmas
@she3po945
11 ай бұрын
I think the fact her family claiming she was severely lacking in mobility among other motor skills, etc. greatly contradicting what airport video surveillance was showing is a major red flag. 🚩
@laurenurban3942
10 ай бұрын
They raised her and knew her capabilities. Why they would want people to think she was severely disabled is baffling. If she was able to get out of that house on her own she wasn’t completely incapable of certain movements. I don’t understand why the parents would want others to think that she couldn’t do certain things when she definitely could is very odd.
@nlwilson4892
10 ай бұрын
@@laurenurban3942 It isn't unknown for parents to underestimate what their child can do because they want to keep them in a state of childhood and it is more common where children are disabled. They tend to wrap them up in cotton wool. Whilst most parents of normal children look forward to their next development, with some disabled children the parents can get a mindset that they'll never improve and never be able to survive without them. It can prevent a child from developing to some extent but they can also suddenly rebel.
@teresamaze55
11 ай бұрын
It seems like she wasn't that far from the house she and her family were staying at. Why did the extensive searches miss her? Such a sad story. Poor girl. And how terrible for her family. Tragic.
@manewland1
11 ай бұрын
I have a disability as well (perhaps not as pronounced as Nora's), but I can easily imagine things going down as you speculated; I really feel for that girl during those days in the jungle, and for her family, then and now. Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande, for another compelling video.
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