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@whoeveriam0iam14222
2 ай бұрын
The problem with drawing a moving train is that when you're going to check the details the train will have left and you'll have to use imagination if you've missed anything crucial
@johnjephcote7636
2 ай бұрын
Reading between the lines can be a most dangerous practice (states Punch of this era).
@davidjames579
2 ай бұрын
The problem with drawing a moving train is many artists didn't survive being run over.
@rodgermoss8975
2 ай бұрын
until the camera was invented,
@creamwobbly
2 ай бұрын
Except the film* camera in its first iterations would just produce a blur. It took decades to develop the chemistry to have exposures of a fraction of a second. The optical camera existed centuries before the film camera or the steam locomotive were invented
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
And that requires you to first accept the permanence of the self and that the past actually happened!
@chriswalker2753
2 ай бұрын
Interesting how most of the artists don't get the flanged-wheel and rails right. Tennyson, in the poem "Locksley Hall", thought trains ran in grooves. He afterwards admitted that in 1830 he boarded the Liverpool to Manchester Railway in the dark, and never looked under the train.
@markiangooley
2 ай бұрын
Feelin’ groovy!
@cooperised
2 ай бұрын
My young son has a set of simple jigsaws with CG-era "Thomas and Friends" characters on them. Mostly ok but the rails themselves, for whatever reason, are of flat bottomed profile but drawn _upside down_. Flat bit on top. It had me wondering if the artist had ever even looked at a railway line.
@mallardtheduck1
2 ай бұрын
Some early horsedrawn tramways did use grooves rather than rails, so maybe he was more familiar with those?
@PokhrajRoy.
2 ай бұрын
3:04 It’s like that episode of ‘The Black Adder’ where Rowan Atkinson is asked to draw the German trenches but then adds elephants and a factory in the final drawing.
@AnthonyHandcock
2 ай бұрын
Don't forget the field of mushrooms.
@thomasciarlariello
2 ай бұрын
Decauville Portables of Bolan Pass India 1884.
@PokhrajRoy.
2 ай бұрын
Jago roasting Terrible Drawings is the cornerstone of civilisation
@ROCKINGMAN
2 ай бұрын
How much is imagination based on some reality. Saw a lady the other day asking her little child to make a train noise. The little boy started revolving his arms, then 'choo choo'. I thought steam went in 1968, but just to show you what a lasting impression steam has had.
@davidjames579
2 ай бұрын
I blame Thomas The Tank Engine. Its sets unrealistic expectations of train travel.
@creamwobbly
2 ай бұрын
It irks me to this day that young people get the steam exhaust mixed up with the whistle. I never did so I feel like they have no excuse and should be fined
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
The logo for rail crossings in Denmark still depict a steam locomotive. The problem is that steam locomotives sound and look incredibly iconic while modern locomotives are just sorta boxes.
@tin2001
2 ай бұрын
@@hedgehog3180 Loads of Australian ones still have steam locomotives too... But most guarded crosses (ones with lights) they use a symbol that looks like the crossing light design we have here. Some crossings use a solid line intersecting with a top down line art drawing of a railway line instead, but these are usually used in conjunction with the others to give better understanding of the road and track configuration (especially if a road intersection is located close by and people sometimes try to turn onto the railway line).
@KidarWolf
2 ай бұрын
Amusingly, in Darjeeling, the kids would say trains go "koo", so if we sampled the world's onomatopeias for what a steam train sounds like, it's very likely about all we could conclude is they make a sound that contains 'oo', so if we didn't have those same whistles around today, we couldn't even accurately say what sound they made.
@PokhrajRoy.
2 ай бұрын
I felt sad that we didn’t get to see Jago at the Lego Underground Recreation dressed as Charles Tyson Yerkes
@heptanesykes
2 ай бұрын
Indeed, but possibly a cameo appearance reprising his role as Harry Beck would have been more appropriate.
@Ramtamtama
2 ай бұрын
@@heptanesykes those glasses could have your eye out a mile away
@wrichard11
2 ай бұрын
What Mr H does at weekends is none of our business
@sameyers2670
2 ай бұрын
I feel sad that Yerkes hasn't been mentioned in this video, maybe he didn't draw any trains
@DavidShepheard
2 ай бұрын
@@sameyers2670 Yerkes was too busy drawing money out of the bank accounts of his businesses. 🤪
@wiltail
2 ай бұрын
the thumbnail caught me off guard
@connormclernon26
2 ай бұрын
It’s like blackface for Thomas the tank engine
@davidjames579
2 ай бұрын
@@connormclernon26 TrainyMcTrain Face
@bigmansedan9077
2 ай бұрын
Like even the train itself knows it's cursed
@Sasha-1313
2 ай бұрын
It’s a train of nightmares.
@warmstrong5612
2 ай бұрын
Artistic license is truly the bane of Engineers and Historians.
@peterdawson2645
2 ай бұрын
In fairness, most of these early artists would have been seeing trains for the first time, or nearly so. One weird thing is the absence of connecting rods between wheels and cylinders. But if you saw the train moving they would be hard to spot and draw accurately.
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
A lot of British trains also have inside cylinders and gears so that just means British artists wouldn't be as used to seeing them.
@tin2001
2 ай бұрын
They likely got started drawing while the train was sitting still. But many of them are at opening day celebrations, so even though the train would have sat for hours for them to see, the crowds would have still made it difficult to get a really good proper look as they drew it.
@Skorpychan
2 ай бұрын
'I saw one of those new-fangled trains once, I'm sure I'll have no trouble with this!' *scribble scribble* 'Oh dear. Too bad my deadline is looming.'
@anthonyclayden7717
2 ай бұрын
Same problem with images of sailing ships: ropes all over the place; except at the corners of the sail where they need to be; sails billowing backwards or sideways; so the ship wouldn’t be going anywhere, let alone have a foaming bow-wave.
@nickmiller76
2 ай бұрын
And the flag usually flying in the wrong direction.
@phaasch
2 ай бұрын
6:56 love how the L&G engine seems to be running on sofa castors
@AnthonyHandcock
2 ай бұрын
Beat me to it :-)
@stevenflebbe
2 ай бұрын
When I was a boy and before I knew the difference between standard and broad gauge, I always thought the Metropolitan Line locomotive shown at 3:15 was just really poorly drawn.
@greycatturtle7132
2 ай бұрын
Wow
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
It's like the artist heard broad and thought it was broad in the sense of that meme where you distort footage of some world leader to be wide, which is impressive and shows how far ahead of his time he was.
@greycatturtle7132
2 ай бұрын
@@hedgehog3180 yes
@mcarp555
2 ай бұрын
It's like depictions of babies during the Renaissance (gulp!). I'd also like to point out that often these images are horrible when blown up for videos, making the situation even worse.
@Eric_Hunt194
2 ай бұрын
Mediaeval drawings of cats have the same issue
@creamwobbly
2 ай бұрын
Most artists used male adult models, so babies have freakishly small heads and svelte, muscular limbs. Also hence why the women in early art look like they're wearing aftermarket breasts
@ShedTV
2 ай бұрын
@@creamwobbly What are aftermarket breasts, and where can I buy some?
@swedishgeese.1
2 ай бұрын
I now have the image of a man, smartly dressed in a suit and top hat, softly weeping as over a century and a half later because some random guy on the internet proceeds to ramble to a bunch of people and go “look at this drawing, it looks utterly terrible”.
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
If Victorian novels are to be believed he'd probably fall over dead at the damage of the insult.
@tin2001
2 ай бұрын
When you said "suit and top hat", I immediately assumed Sir Topham Hatt since this is a railway channel 😂
@mikepowell2776
2 ай бұрын
Much the same problem exists with early drawings of sailing ships. Even competent artists were often confused by the intricacies of standing and running rigging. Often this is reduced to a few suggestions. Unlike photography, drawing and painting works better with things that move about at crucial moments and are devoid of half-understood technicalities.
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
One great example of this is early Japanese art depicting European ships. Even though Japanese artists were very competent at drawing naval scenes with Japanese ships their drawings of European ships often look childish and there's dragon mouths everywhere.
@senftleben
2 ай бұрын
I never thought there would be a day where I'd hear Jago say "DUDE, YOUR LOCOMOTIVE LOOKS LIKE A BREAD BIN!" (with particular bewilderment about the "DUDE")
@QALibrary
2 ай бұрын
The Micky Mouse joke was the best ever - I literally almost wet my knickers at that one!
@rodgermoss8975
2 ай бұрын
what about farm carts, bread bins and don't do drugs.
@TheMusicalElitist
2 ай бұрын
'Dude! Your locomotive looks like a breadbin!' - Oh Jago! How I love you.
@sheltie777
2 ай бұрын
It looks like a breadbin, because it's travelling to Towcester.
@dcarbs2979
2 ай бұрын
Some Ferraris are called 'The Breadbin'. A racer with 'estate' back end.
@BromideBride
2 ай бұрын
To be fair, my biscuit tin looks like a London bus
@phaasch
2 ай бұрын
2:48 "Why'you stopped us?" "Can you make me a sandwich?, im starving" "you'll be toast in a minute "
@King-Kazma
2 ай бұрын
There is a curious thing in the biological sciences, where 100 years or so after photography became the norm for documenting plants and animals, identification guides still heavily use illustrations. A drawing lets you convey what you should see far more effectively, even if you sacrifice realism. The silhouettes of ships and planes used in the military for identification purposes work the same way. Cutting out almost all detail makes identification quicker and more accurate. With these pictures, we are seeing the same mechanism inherent in our biology from the opposite end. Artists are looking at novel technology and rendering it, but their brains are taking shortcuts. Their eyes are flitting from the familiar (coach built carriages), to the features of steam technology that are perplexing to them at that point in time. If there is a purpose to art, it is to enable us to make sense of our world, and these drawings show that happening in real time.
@AtheistOrphan
2 ай бұрын
The Victorian equivalent of ‘Not actual game footage’
@greycatturtle7132
2 ай бұрын
Yes 😂
@CountScarlioni
2 ай бұрын
" _Product appearance may vary from the images shown on promotion._ "
@SalmanMentos
2 ай бұрын
_"Battery not included in the set"_
@katrinabryce
2 ай бұрын
I guess that unless you can get access to the depot over night, you aren't really going to be able to study it for long enough to do an accurate drawing.
@therealvbw
2 ай бұрын
That thumbnail is spectacular.
@miniak2708
2 ай бұрын
hello there
@therealvbw
2 ай бұрын
@@miniak2708 Fancy seeing you here!
@juliansadler6263
2 ай бұрын
The London & Greenwich used all sorts of odd engines. One engine couldn't get out of the siding because of the low slung boiler. Another was made into the donkey engine for Sir John Franklin's Arctic expedition. So if it can be dredged up from the frozen depths we shall know what it really looked like.
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
It's a bit like how artists today often get guns horribly wrong. Guns are something that you'd fairly commonly include in art however the vast majority of people don't know anything about how guns work so they don't realize this and just draw something vaguely gun shaped. And like guns are fairly complicated machines so of course it isn't obvious what the components do other than the trigger and the magazine.
@42crazyguy
2 ай бұрын
Yeah except many artists actually do get guns right especially in anime and manga. Some are still terrible sure but there's really no excuse nowadays with so many visual resources available.
@Xenderman
2 ай бұрын
@@42crazyguy stylization is a thing. very few things in art are supposed to be 100% accurate to reality.
@42crazyguy
2 ай бұрын
@@Xenderman Yes bad stylization is a thing.
@Xenderman
2 ай бұрын
@@42crazyguy no it isn't??? Why do you think that drawings have to be 100% accurate to the thing they're depicting???
@42crazyguy
2 ай бұрын
@@Xenderman lmao
@apolloc.vermouth5672
2 ай бұрын
I think they just used the trains they saw in their nightmares as inspiration. 6:55 That particular artist was saying "I may not know anything about trains, but by GOD I can do perspective."
@creamwobbly
2 ай бұрын
“at least, I think I can pull it off… uhhh looks a bit off but _whatever_ I already spent nearly ten minutes on this … time to turn it in!”
@ostsan8598
2 ай бұрын
To be fair to the artist that made the piece at 6:54 , early passenger cars were sometimes basically converted stagecoaches. The Mohawk and Hudson's first passenger train had three cars built by James Goold. They were stagecoaches modified for railroad service.
@binarydinosaurs
2 ай бұрын
This reminds me of a 'where's wally' style photo of a station in the toilets in The Brewery Tap in Norwich (caveat - this is 10+ years ago) where the artist has drawn double tracks between the platforms but with the train traversing the MIDDLE TWO RAILS. It's not often I take photos in toilets but that was one time. Must dig it out.
@dcarbs2979
2 ай бұрын
Working on a heritage railway myself, the research process is part of the enjoyment. Also being an artist, this was a particularly intersting video. Anyone of working age or beyond today will have many decades more experience of what a train 'looks like' as it was brand new technology and even fewer people would have seen a real one considering the beginnings of a rail network. Being so early, maybe some of those safety features weren't built? e.g. easy access or a seat for the driver / release valve. Even 20th century cars were often not fitted with doors or integrated fuel tanks, so it's possible. They were also loosely based on horse carriages.
@andrewhotston983
2 ай бұрын
I think that first locomotive in the drawing of Bishopsgate station did have a safety valve - mounted on the dome. There are plenty of bad contemporary drawings of trains - just look at the birthday cards aimed at train enthusiasts. The real problem is the lack of photographs of early trains.
@presfieldgoalie
2 ай бұрын
I suppose that the people look alright but the trains don't is because that artists in the mid 19th century had their whole lives to practice drawing people but then comes along this new form of technology that doesn't look like anything that came before and now they have to practice drawing this entirely new thing. And in the age before photography, with no references to go by other than already existing images which may be why they all look like bread bins. The only other options were to go by memory of what that locomotive looked like when you briefly saw it in a station or draw one while it's in a station and hope that it stays stationary long enough to finish the drawing. Good luck with that.
@mattthedoormat
2 ай бұрын
Yeah that seems to be the case. Most of these artists were good at what they did but just didn't have any good references for trains since they were so new and uncommon for a while. Seems like they were just told what the steam engine looked like and did their best with that description.
@KidarWolf
2 ай бұрын
Yes, this. As a young artist, an art teacher challenged me to draw a bicycle after looking at it for five minutes, and then she covered it up. She then asked me to draw it again with it uncovered for the duration. Curiously, the bicycle I drew after only a five minute observation actually evoked the feeling of a bicycle a lot better than the one drawn from direct observation, despite its technical flaws. There's something to be said for impressionistic renderings of an object, I think. Something captured perfectly accurately in a piece of art can feel quite flat and dull to look at, where the impressionistic rendering will be more evocative.
@thatguyswavomeer
2 ай бұрын
This video reminds me a little bit how medieval illustrators were painting lions, giraffes, elephants or other animals they've never seen.
@Damien.D
2 ай бұрын
The problem is that trains have sadly been invented waaayy before trainspotters were a thing... Fun archeological fact : the first steam road vehicle (Nicolas Joseph Cugnot's steam artillery tractor) predates Trevithick's first railway locomotives by a good 3 decades. Nevertheless it has been preserved, untouched, unmodified, thru history, moved and hidden in different military hangars for the last centuries, surviving a revolution, a few wars, including 2 world ones. Any car enthusiast may say that's one hell of a barn find! On the other hand, here in France, as far as I know, no early steam locomotives or even artifacts of early trains exists anymore... I'm pretty jealous of all the stuff you have managed to preserve, in the UK...
@tin2001
2 ай бұрын
I believe there's a load of older model Eurostar stock rotting in a forest in France.... Wouldn't surprise me if that's the demise the old steam stuff suffered too.
@matthewwilliamson8430
2 ай бұрын
Some of these early illustrations are brilliant: The Bury prints of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway appear to be inhabited by people a mere three feet tall or the track gauge is six feet or so. The famous Bourne picture of Tring cutting shows (if in proportion to the figures) an excavation of truly heroic proportions. Similarly, the famous print of Baker Steet Station by Hodson, tiny, tiny people in an enormous station. But they just the way they did things then: they were promoting the new cutting edge technology, so they were inclined to exaggerate. So think about the next time you study that etching showing a lady in a poke bonnet and a man in a stovepipe hat standing on a hill, admiring the newly-built infrastructure cutting though a rugged, rocky and untamed landscape, with an impossibly tall bridge in the background while an eagle wheels in the sky. The caption will read "A Section of the Eastern Union Railway near Great-Yarmouth".
@sockstarnik
2 ай бұрын
Epic as always mate. One wonders that perhaps the artist never had even seen the loco? I mean the station is static and people are easy and carriages again fairly easy but a loco zooming along in excess of 30mph, I know. So perhaps the locos were always just a representation of old locos from various engravings etc?
@yelloweyeball
2 ай бұрын
2:53 Interesting fact, there is an animated version of this illustration in the opening credit sequence of the Tony Richardson film "Charge of the Light Brigade." It was animated by a team if 6 artists led by Richard Williams, who did the animation for "Who framed Roger Rabbit?" The image in the film is almost identical, although for some reason the bridge is lower, and the pseudo metropolitan engine on the bottom line is pulling what looks like a goods wagon.
@Rog5446
2 ай бұрын
I'd love to see an A4 Bread Bin.
@rikardottosson1272
2 ай бұрын
Collab with the London transport museum dudes so that you can get access to the archives and see actual drawings
@weetjeweetje4054
2 ай бұрын
It reminds me a bit of old drawings of exotic (to Europe) animals, like the rhino or the giraffe. Looking at it, one recognizes the sort of animal but at the same time, they look unreal. Maybe for these 19 century artists, trains were what rhinos were for their artistic predecessors.
@brick6347
2 ай бұрын
I suppose a contemporary equivalent is the depiction of computers in 80s and especially 90s films. No boring old Windows, instead flights of whimsical fancy that doubtless leave people far younger than me scratching their heads.
@JonosBtheMC
2 ай бұрын
Unless it was "Bugs". The everyday supercomputers ran Windows 95 but the REALLY powerful ones ran 3.1. And no, I didn't get that the wrong way round.
@Morganstein-Railroad
2 ай бұрын
What I don't uderstand hwere is, "If someone commisions you to do a drawing of a train, why not just go to the location and watch them?" That's basically what any good artist has always done, From Da Vinci to Monet, and even modern artists like Roger Dean and Rodney matthews, the latter two of which may paint fantasy, but you can see the realism in their works. Things are correctly proportioned, even if you are looking at a painting of a very alien looking Warrior or a futuristic alien rock band. Great video, Jago. You always come up with material worth watching.
@creamwobbly
2 ай бұрын
There's a definite element of ‘how hard could it be?’ in all the assignment submissions that the children turned in
@tin2001
2 ай бұрын
Some may not have been commissioned by the railway but by newspapers or investors. The railway may not have been asked to arrange time for them to draw.
@captainufo4587
2 ай бұрын
5:40 "We should cut this artists a bit of slack" while showing an illustration that fails at basic perspective and has the most malformed engine ever :P
@frogandspanner
2 ай бұрын
0:32 I have convinced myself that I can see reigns in the hands of the coachman sitting on top of the first coach.
@bouncyindignation2987
2 ай бұрын
The Victorian Thomas for the thumbnail
@cliveshergold9467
2 ай бұрын
It's not just the locos that are misrepresented. The image of the Skerne Bridge in the 'Opening of the S&DR' picture shows the bridge as it was 50 years and several modifications later. It was a very plain structure in 1825.
@Del_S
2 ай бұрын
"This shot alone cost $20 million" Pretty cheap for most model trains these days....
@DavidShepheard
2 ай бұрын
I suspect that part of the problem artists had with drawing trains, was similar to the problem they had getting horses legs right. The trains were moving past, while the buildings were staying still. If you can find any paintings or drawings of trains being built, the artist might have a lot more time to study the machine and get the details right. Or how about that circular railway line? If the train went round and around, the artist should be able to eventually get the details right.
@cdev2117
2 ай бұрын
These were the worst to catalogue, because you always had to figure out if the Loco was "real" or "fiction". But I still beliefe one will find the worst renditions of Locomotives on Christmas and Valentines postcards. 😅
@Steam_Attack
2 ай бұрын
The introduction of steam locomotives was a reality check for artists who didn't know how to draw in perspective
@TransistorBased
2 ай бұрын
I was fully expecting a meme video with cursed trains and I think I just got a lecture
@roderickmain9697
2 ай бұрын
More impressionist than accurate. Still, the flavour is there even if its just an iron horse.
@misterthegeoff9767
2 ай бұрын
I remember being a kid and riding my bmx to the local model shop (which happened to be next door to a sex shop and a brothel, the 80s were a different time) to buy some Pullman carriages for my Flying Scotsman only to be berated by the owner in full Simpsons comic book guy manner because the flying Scotsman never pulled a Pullman carriage. I was 10, what did I care, I just waned some carriages for my model train to pull and I thought the Pullman ones looked neat. In the end I just bought them from a different shop. The moral of this story, if someone's laughing at your model railway for not being historically accurate enough then that's on them not you.
@iankemp1131
2 ай бұрын
Wonder how long he stayed in business - it sounds the opposite of hard sell!
@misterthegeoff9767
2 ай бұрын
@@iankemp1131 of the 3 only the sex shop is still in business today
@rorythomas9469
2 ай бұрын
This may be a consequence of artistic training covering buildings and people, but not trains.
@tims9434
2 ай бұрын
They weren't very good at horses either so maybe it's a transport thing?
@TotoDG
2 ай бұрын
To be fair, horses are pretty hard to draw well. No idea why medieval artists struggled so hard with cats, though.
@johnm2012
2 ай бұрын
Mediaeval artists struggled with anything three-dimensional, seemingly having no concept of perspective. Leonardo da Vinci made some beautiful sketches of cats as he observed them hunting, playing and sleeping. He found them fascinating creatures, commenting that even "the smallest feline is a masterpiece."
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
@@johnm2012 I mean perspective wasn't a thing in medieval art, it sought to be symbolic rather than realistic so size was used to indicate importance rather than distance.
@KidarWolf
2 ай бұрын
@@TotoDG Speaking as an artist who does draw horses regularly, they're no harder to draw than any other animal, provided you actually take the time to learn their anatomy. That's the main problem with art in general, if you don't understand the subject, you likely won't recreate it very well. My big weakness so far as art goes is drawing hands and feet, I find them incredibly complicated to draw, and it's because I haven't studied the anatomy of hands and feet to the same extent as I did the anatomy of the horse. Does that mean I'm going to? Only if I have an art project in mind that requires me to. As I mostly draw hooved animals, I haven't felt the need to.
@Aye-McHunt
2 ай бұрын
It wasn't until film was invented that artists discovered that horses didn't have their legs protruding front and back when they were running.
@ShedTV
2 ай бұрын
I never got over the Rocket not being yellow.
@joshslater2426
2 ай бұрын
I can’t picture it as anything but yellow.
@aoilpe
2 ай бұрын
“Stay in school and don’t do drugs”…😂🤣 What a resume for the topic ! You got me off guard…!😂
@Calum_S
2 ай бұрын
I'm always drawn to the ridiculous differences in scale used by 19th century artists. Things like Brunel's tunnel are drawn as veritable cathedrals with tiny people. The picture of the cutting you used at the end of the video is probably another example as I doubt it was that deep and narrow in real life.
@frglee
2 ай бұрын
For those that, like me, quite like this kind of thing, they might enjoy 'The Railway Cartoon Book' by Ken and Kate Baynes from 1976. There are presently half a dozen cheap used copies for sale on a well known online goods site (beginning with 'e').
@mikeplayz436
2 ай бұрын
0:06 closest engine to tomas nowdays
@Shantara11
2 ай бұрын
3:30 Victorian era tentacle porn was not what I expected to see in a Jago’s video. Not that I’m complaining, mind you
@robincowley5823
2 ай бұрын
Oh, that thumbnail made me laugh out loud! My friend's cat (I'm house-sitting) is now giving me evils after I startled her with my guffaws.
@michaelwright2986
2 ай бұрын
Congratulations--your delivery was so captivating, I watched through the sponsorship segment at normal speed.
@shiningarmor2838
2 ай бұрын
I know nothing about trains or railways in general, but I find this very fascinating
@onbekende07
2 ай бұрын
Speaking of turning traincarriages into looking like horsecoaches, on your first picture I love the drive/king sitting majestically up high.
@General_Confusion
2 ай бұрын
It's not just trains, just look what they did to Dinosaurs. Looks nothing like them.
@davidjames579
2 ай бұрын
Absolutely, dinosaurs run on rails.
@bruceknights8330
2 ай бұрын
Hmm. That thing on the ECR loco looks very much like a Salter type safety valve
@davebutterworth7414
2 ай бұрын
Both Factual and funny Jago ! 😅 Enjoyed it ❤
@grahamstubbs4962
2 ай бұрын
Let's see modern trains rendered in this 19th century fashion. There's a bunch of cartoonists sitting around doing nothing. Get to it.
@katrinabryce
2 ай бұрын
But nowadays you can easily find photos of the trains to refer to.
@hedgehog3180
2 ай бұрын
Don't worry there are plenty of bad artists like me making shitty drawings of modern trains as well as old ones.
@KidarWolf
2 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, I just can't find any joy in modern trains, so I won't be getting to it - though I suspect my attempts might fall short of the mark if I did, since I do have a background in engineering and technical drawing to pull on.
@StarrySGH
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for an amusing video! As a parent with a train-obsessed child, I'm learning way more about trains than I ever anticipated. 🙃
@Hiro_Trevelyan
2 ай бұрын
I don't know why I love your sarcastic comments about badly drawn locomotives but I'd love to watch more of these
@CarolineFord1
2 ай бұрын
I think this is about what the purpose of the drawing is. It's not really intended to be an accurate record - it served a purpose - to illustrate a magazine etc. Last Christmas London had a poster of a train on tracks with each wheel being on the inner of a pair of tracks. Was it a good picture - yeah. Was it an accurate portrayal of how trains work? No of course not. However that wasn't the intention.
@frankupton5821
2 ай бұрын
2.01 "People and buildings look mostly fine...." Not really, The people appear to have no faces or hands and to be dressed in some 1840s version of the boiler suit. These are sketches, not diagrams.
@TMCNJ
2 ай бұрын
The ultrawide gauge metropolitan railway pictures always crack me up. The famous one of Baker Street comes to mind 😄
@avus-kw2f213
2 ай бұрын
The difference between drawing a building and a locomotive is one stay still the other
@MrGreatplum
2 ай бұрын
The Victorians often had gloriously detailed drawings - it appeared that steam locomotives obviously moved too fast for the artists to properly capture 😂
@absinthefandubs9130
2 ай бұрын
This is the video I've been looking for for DECADES, thank you.
@johaquila
2 ай бұрын
Drawing something stationary like a house, a flower arrangement or a landscape isn't all that easy. Drawing something that moves is much harder. It is particularly hard for something that you cannot inspect later at your convenience. I am not an artist myself, but I assume that to draw animals or moving people well, the artist must rely on 1) specific training for this kind of motif, and 2) access to similar motifs in their memory, in real life, or in previous art. When drawing trains in the 19th century, there was presumably a big problem with 1: Drawing trains wasn't a standard part of the curriculum when learning to draw yet. And regarding 2, there was both an objective problem and a difference in how people perceived trains then and how we perceive them now. In detail: - Most people did not regularly see trains. The trains that they did see were typically not the latest models but ones that were antiquated even at the time and looked nothing like what most of us today consider to be normal steam engines and normal antiquated wagons. The input into memory was both heterogeneous and limited, so it had to be filled in with experience from related categories such as stationary steam engines and horse-drawn carriages. So the memory was both imprecise even for the time, and slanted in a direction that was familiar to people then but is mostly unfamiliar to us today. - After making an extremely rough sketch of a moving train (and subsequently filling in all the stationary details as usual), the artist may not have had a chance to see that train or a similar one again. Instead, they probably had access to stationary steam engines, horse-drawn carriages, and _perhaps_ to trains that looked far differently from the intended one than the variation we have between trains today. - Moreover, there wasn't a lot of prior works of art that they could consult, and what there was, tended to suffer from the same problem -- only worse, as it was older.
@Chris-h3f5u
2 ай бұрын
Very interesting video Jago something I'd never really thought of before but makes perfect sense.
@carlcaulkett3050
2 ай бұрын
I used to have the same problem as a kid with "The Railway Series" books by the Rev. W. Awdry. All of the artists for the books up to "Stepney the Bluebell Engine" produced quite childish (as a kid I was quite precocious!) artwork, and it was only when Peter and Gunvor Edwards took over, that things improved, with their trademark impressionistic, atmospheric, yet technically accurate (can't everyone draw Walschaerts Valve gear properly?!). I particularly remember impressive pictures of Donald and Douglas, the Scottish Twins, and drawings of Culdee, the rack engine! All great stuff 😍
@baystated
2 ай бұрын
This is when i use the TRUST NO ONE gif in my department's slack chat.
@jaakkomantyjarvi7515
2 ай бұрын
Can we take a moment to appreciate how JMW Turner got around this issue in his atmospheric painting "Rain, Steam, and Speed -- The Great Western Railway"? Or, as Bill Bailey referred to it, "Bottle of Port in Drizzle".
@ryancheckel8278
2 ай бұрын
6:22 I like this image of York, and the station that was built inside the walls. Arriving at York a couple of years ago, I found it curious that my AirBnB was in a very modern building, inside the walls, and easily accessible through a wide arch that spoke of more recent updates to the Norman construction
@annettelonechild3433
2 ай бұрын
“Childers and Ashes!” Cried Thomas “I’m all black!”
@AndrewJohnson-ur3lw
2 ай бұрын
The Stratford image could also question the line that the train was running along. But the theme behind this is "artistic licence"
@Sheevlord
2 ай бұрын
The thumbnail is basically "It was time for Thomas to leave, he had seen everything"
@randomscb-40charger78
16 күн бұрын
"Thomas had developed Lung Cancer because he didn't use clean and healthy Welsh Coal and was scrapped alongside the rest of his class."
@grahampaulkendrick7845
2 ай бұрын
'Straighten Up And Fly Right'. What a great song. This was all rather fun! 🙂
@oliverpearcey2777
2 ай бұрын
Fascinating as always. On a quick scan of the comments I could see no reference to early railway and steam engineering books particularly Tredgold (apologies if I missed it). I do not have my copy to hand but I seem to remember some engineering drawings from the 1820's and 1830's. Unlikely to be used by contemporary artists but they might help in determining what engines of that period actually looked like. The converted railway engines fitted to Erebus and Terror were not strictly donkey engines as I recall but auxiliary propulsion installed at the behest of the Admiralty who by then had developed quite a lot of experience in steam propelled ships.
@davidjames579
2 ай бұрын
It's still happening today. Go to any creche, the realism is very questionable.
@myshowcase8818
2 ай бұрын
Possibly the most famous image of an early train is J.M.W. Turner's 1844 exhibited painting 'Rain, Steam, and Speed - The Great Western' which doesn't pretend to give an accurate representation of the locomotive engine with its roaring open firebox placed at the front for dramatic effect.
@rainyfeathers9148
2 ай бұрын
I'm going to put those drawing on the fridge for everyone to see☺
@rollingthunder9087
2 ай бұрын
It could have been the novelty may have made it impossible for artists to accurately depict trains. Similar to early colonial depictions of Australian fauna.
@brj_han
2 ай бұрын
When the Southern Pacific Jupiter and the Union Pacific 119 were recreated for the Golden Spike National Historic Site, they found a bunch of pictures from which they could recreate the locos, but one problem. They were all in Black and White. None of the newspapers of the day described how they were painted. The National Park Service contacted the Disney Company, because they had a large number of period steam engines. The paint schemes you see on the Jupiter and 119 at Golden Spike are the best guess by the Disney Company...
@oddjob1795
2 ай бұрын
6:30 HOW DOES THIS COST $20 MILLION!
@JagoHazzard
2 ай бұрын
Highly-skilled FX artists.
@oddjob1795
2 ай бұрын
Oy.
@arrow1414
2 ай бұрын
The fact is in the 1830s the passenger cars really did look like stage coaches.
@Robutube1
2 ай бұрын
Even the genius JMW Turner got the engine wrong in his highly regarded Rain, Steam and Speed in which the firebox is at the front, making fuelling somewhat, er, problematic.
@iankemp1131
2 ай бұрын
Oh, the mysterious glow. I sort of assumed that the smokebox was overheating. Never feel you can tell very much from that painting really!
@uncipaws7643
2 ай бұрын
Before the era of widespread photography artists didn't have many sources unless they actually went out to sit in front of the original train and draw it. The train would have to be parked in one place as long as the drawing takes, and details like where the steam comes out drawn in from the impression of a moving train. The examples show that they weren't commonly issued reference drawings (which weren't easy to reproduce either), like the railways themselves the technologies of visualisation were all developed during the 19th century from photography to blueprints. Now I wonder whether there are positive examples: Railway companies inviting artists to draw their trains with high accuracy.
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio
2 ай бұрын
Bad train drawings continued into modern times, and in the US. In Fort Worth (Texas) I saw a large drawing of a Fort Worth streetcar (1900s/1910s/1920s vintage) that had the perspective off between the carbody and the bogies so badly that anything that actually looked like what they drew would at least fall over and probably fall apart. And in the mid 2000s to early 2020s the drawings that our local Trader Joe's in Brookline (Massachusetts) had of modern streetcars were laughably inconsistent with what goes literally in front of their front door essentially EVERY DAY, with incorrect segmentation, incorrect wheel layout, completely mangled door arrangement, pantographs with small trolley pole extensions on them, and other defects. These were recently replaced with drawings of cars that look vaguely like old-style Tatra trams (which never ran around here, and aren't rendered very well in the new drawings anyway).
@italktoomuch6442
2 ай бұрын
I'm personally intrigued by the concept of the Patent Office museum. Possible series on the history of London museums?
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