Replying to everyone that feels otherwise. 3 year lifespan doesn’t mean it dies in 3 years, it means that within that frame you lose a substantial portion that it’s no longer considered a healthy battery. Simply put 800 cycles (3 years of constant charging daily) vs 3000 cycles in an LFP Look. An iPhone with 60% battery health can still run fine, but its realistic lifespan has been reached and needs replacement.
@darcyk63
5 ай бұрын
3 years? Your nuts my car is 5 years old 100k miles lost 5%so far
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Replying to everyone that feels otherwise. 3 year lifespan doesn’t mean it dies in 3 years, it means that within that frame you lose a substantial portion that it’s no longer considered a healthy battery. Simply put 800 cycles (3 years of constant charging daily) vs 3000 cycles in an LFP Look. An iPhone with 60% battery health can still run fine, but its realistic lifespan has been reached and needs replacement.
@jeffkeryk3550
6 ай бұрын
3 years? Our '18 Mid Range nickel battery is doing just fine.
@heyJohnEe
6 ай бұрын
That’s just an average. Our model Y 2021 failed 3 times so far
@YTYTYTY7
5 ай бұрын
3 times?!?
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
@YTYTYTY7 yes 3 times, but I wouldn’t say this is related to the life span of NMC, just something I’m pointing out
@danielflores9157
5 ай бұрын
2021 SR+ currently at the SC getting the LFP battery pack. Had to replace the original in July and got an alert in the car last week and Tesla said they are replacing the battery pack again but this time with the LFP
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Awesome! Let us know how it goes, you’re probably one of the first few
@battery_wattage
5 ай бұрын
Could you please link your source for an “average” of three years for the battery? That is super low even for early EVs like the Nissan leaf without battery conditioning.
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
No specifics, but here - www.ev-bee.com/article/9-nmc-and-lfp-lithium-ion-batteries#:~:text=LFP%20batteries%20can%20last%20more,often%20used%20for%20power%20needs.
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Replying to everyone that feels otherwise. 3 year lifespan doesn’t mean it dies in 3 years, it means that within that frame you lose a substantial portion that it’s no longer considered a healthy battery. Simply put 800 cycles (3 years of constant charging daily) vs 3000 cycles in an LFP Look. An iPhone with 60% battery health can still run fine, but its realistic lifespan has been reached and needs replacement.
@battery_wattage
5 ай бұрын
@@heyJohnEe ok 800 cycles assuming an average charge depth equivalent to about 280 miles (my estimated average full charge from 100-80% health to estimate average miles per full cycle over the life down to 80% for current MYLR) gives about 220,000 miles. Not even most people who drive SUVs/sedans for work normally average 220,000 miles every three years. That three year figure assumes an average of about 200 miles per day. Who does that outside of maybe semi drivers? The article you referenced also did not explicitly state those estimated battery life lengths for EVs. That three year figure makes sense for smartphones, powered tools, etc., where you can consume one or more cycles of use per day, but for an EV where we can estimate the average daily mileage to 40 miles per day, that is only about a 0.15 cycle per day. That is roughly 15 years before reaching
@heyJohnEe
6 ай бұрын
Just to clarify these numbers are averages and available online, but we all know that NMC lasts much longer than 3 years. Although if it means anything, my MY 21 had failed 3 times and had battery replacements. We would’ve loved this upgrade if we hadn’t already sold
@D00MINIK
5 ай бұрын
Where do you found these "averages"? Tesla claims 1500 Charging Cycles, which would be at least 300.000 Miles for a Lr before you get under 70% of the former capacity when new. At a minimum you get 1000 Cycles if you charge everytime 0-100%, which would be about 200 Miles at minimum to 70%. You must have something faulty in the Battery electronic which would be the same in a Lfp. The reason Tesla is replacing the whole Battery is because it would be very complex and expensive to make every Tesla Service Station also a Battery Repair Station. So if anything is wrong with the Battery or anything inside they just swap the whole thing and it is send to a Tesla Repair Shop just for batterys. The next guy who has troubles with his battery and before that about the same capacity gets your repaired one. Could be the basic electronics which is built in the Battery or one cell or the whole pack but this is very unlikely. Also did you really had one of the very first Model Y Sr that still had Nmc Batterys? Because the one Model 3 owner who got that offer was a old Model 3 Sr with still Nmc.
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
@D00MINIK Replying to everyone that feels otherwise. 3 year lifespan doesn’t mean it dies in 3 years, it means that within that frame you lose a substantial portion that it’s no longer considered a healthy battery. Simply put 800 cycles (3 years of constant charging daily) vs 3000 cycles in an LFP Look. An iPhone with 60% battery health can still run fine, but its realistic lifespan has been reached and needs replacement.
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
@D00MINIK I linked the sites in once of the comments replies. You can literally find this info in a google search
@D00MINIK
5 ай бұрын
@@heyJohnEe The one Argument against your These is simple: 8 years and 120.000 Miles Garantue. Tesla would be broken if their Batterys only last 3 years. If you drive 160.000 Miles every time 0-100% and so fast that this only means 200 Miles than yes you could be under 70%. But if you at least only charge to 97% you get 50% more cycles. Which would be 240.000 Miles. And there are even old Tesla Roadster with the first Battery still fine after 12 years. So saying 3 years Life Span is absolutely Bullshit and very hurtfull for alle Electric Cars that don't use Lfp. And even 800 cycles can't be said as a general term. That's why Lfp Batterys cycle from 3000-6000. If a Nmc Battery has a large Buffer it can also have a very different lifespan. There are Nmc Tests with 2000 cycles and no degredation in Lab Tests which are meant for 100years Lifespan. Also if I buy a Long Range and never charge it to more than between 75-80% which would be the Range of a Sr 100% charged, the Nmc Battery will easily reach the Lifespan of the Lfp, very likely even outlilfe it.
@heyJohnEe
6 ай бұрын
So this has to be one of the most long-awaited feature ever since Tesla Vision was first introduced, but do you agree that this should be an included feature or ale-carte upgrade rather than part of an expensive package?
@daniml7258
5 ай бұрын
The 0-60 time is .5 seconds slower, that’s a big hit. And if you are traveling you still won’t charge to 100 takes too long. The reason they want you to charge to 100% is because if you don’t the BMS gets wacky and can’t give a proper range. They are doing this for one reason. It costs less
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
@daniml7258 if speed is a factor you wouldn’t be buying the base model
@Terrillthegreat79
5 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for the performance/long range battery upgrade 😄
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Haha that would be perfect, right 😅
@xKyriakoZ
5 ай бұрын
It's not available yet? What happens to us if our battery fails? I have a 2019 m3p and it had 450km range rn which is pretty low I guess
@K03dUr1p0dplz
24 күн бұрын
i own a tesla model y performance. I have 25k miles and just the other day, i took it to tesla service and they told me my battery needs to be replaced, saying that its gonna fail on me soon, its covered under warranty and they told me its gonna be a refurbished certified manufactured battery. So not a new one.... I WANT A NEW BATTERY! not a used... I am gonnna lemon law it like i did to my model 3. I already had 2 other issues covered under warranty on it.7
@heyJohnEe
24 күн бұрын
Yeah that’s the unfortunate truth, you’ll get a battery that is refurbished taking cells from other dead packs. At least this is under warranty, there are people who paid full price out of warranty $10grand+ and still got a refurbished
@dyhppyx
5 ай бұрын
That sucks but definitely not normal. My nickel battery is at 190,000 miles with 9% degredation. I'm curious how many failures there are within the warranty period
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
That’s a pretty good rate for degradation after 190K. It’s in scenarios where it completely fails (like what happened to me) is when they’ll replace to LFP. Not sure the failure rates, but I’d say pretty low
@dyhppyx
5 ай бұрын
I think we need to clarify. 10% degredation should be expected from any battery over about 50-80k miles. Any range published by a manufacturer should be looked at as 90% realistically. The cells if cared for properly should continue to function for a long time. Not like a cell phone battery with no thermal management. I'm not sure if lfp actually lasts longer. That's a good question.
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Thermal issues aside, we still have cycle life, right? Regardless of how well you take care of the battery it will still have a 800 cycle count limit, this is where you’ll start to see problems. LFP especially the newer ones should output higher power but also have over 3000 cycles
@Kekafuch
5 ай бұрын
Older Model 3 includes 2018? Or it is only heat pump equipped Model 3s?
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
It includes the all 2018
@gust9464
5 ай бұрын
Is this on Tesla’s website?
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
It’s at the service center. It’s also on the mobile app after requesting service
@francoiss2100
6 ай бұрын
My m3 long range 2019, dont know the battery type, but 5 years old and +200 000 km, currently touching wood and no battery issue, except smaller capacity out of guarantee now 😅
@heyJohnEe
6 ай бұрын
Knock on wood 🤞
@thanksreacts
5 ай бұрын
How about me having an 2023 and waiting to 2026 to get this free battery and suspension would that work because it would still be under warranty
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
That’s possible, yes
@dyhppyx
6 ай бұрын
John I think the nickel batteries last way longer than 3yrs
@heyJohnEe
6 ай бұрын
It’s just an average, but our Model Y 2021 failed and got replacement 3 times already
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
@sun-man dedicated an entire video for it, nah. But if you follow my twitter you would’ve noticed my battery replacements each time
@sparkpaul
5 ай бұрын
My model 3 is fine after 3 years and so is my neighbors
@sparkpaul
5 ай бұрын
I think you should clarify that it’s just a certain batch of cars for specific batteries productions. About 1000 Model X in Taiwan also had battery replacements in 2019 ish.
@KiddeeKush
5 ай бұрын
@@heyJohnEeIf your battery completely fails it shouldn’t be part of the statistics. If you’re battery is gonna fail it, it fails within a year or two…. I got a 2023 LR, should I expect it to fail in the next couple years?
@Kenya15355
5 ай бұрын
What if we are out of warranty and have to purchase a battery? Will we still get the LFP or the older technology?
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately it’s not available for purchase right now, only under warranty
@Kekafuch
5 ай бұрын
@@heyJohnEeDo need to have a heat to take advantage of LFP packs?
@gargona6
5 ай бұрын
Its only in USA? I’m in Spain
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Global
@daniml7258
5 ай бұрын
Lifespan of the car 3 years? Your nuts.
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Check my Twitter page on the latest right now. The KLWTS is on his second NMC pack replacement under 180,000 mi. Yeah I’m nuts k
@KiddeeKush
5 ай бұрын
The non LFP batteries last over 300k miles. 3 years on average? Why would anyone buy a car that only lasts 3 years…….
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Replying to everyone that feels otherwise. 3 year lifespan doesn’t mean it dies in 3 years, it means that within that frame you lose a substantial portion that it’s no longer considered a healthy battery. Simply put 800 cycles (3 years of constant charging daily) vs 3000 cycles in an LFP Look. An iPhone with 60% battery health can still run fine, but its realistic lifespan has been reached and needs replacement.
@mlim8
5 ай бұрын
No mention of suspension upgrade like your title said. Misleading.
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
I mentioned it in the video…
@dyhppyx
5 ай бұрын
John my KZitem app doesn't let me reply to your comments so I have to write new ones. I have seen people say that NMC has 800 cycles but I can't be sure what the definition exactly means. I have likely supercharged my car over 1200 times and it's still going. Jeff dahn the battery researcher says that NMC batteries should keep going indefinitely with a slow rate of degredation. He said 300k-500-1,000,000 miles may be possible and the battery could be used for home use afterwards. I'm sure there must be some limit but I'm not sure what that looks like. Lfp says it should last longer but the duration is getting so long that I'm not sure it even matters to an avg user. These are all good questions if anyone has the answers. All I'm able to conclude so far is my own battery seems to be able to hit 200k miles without any issues which is far more than a normal user needs to be concerned with.
@battery_wattage
5 ай бұрын
Search evbee NMC and LFP Lithium-ion Batteries on your search engine. This is where he referenced the three years/800 cycle figures. If you understand how EV ownership works, you would understand that three years and 800 cycles is not at all representative of real world EV ownership.
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I think both NMC and LFP have their own advantages
@cellman1829
5 ай бұрын
I dm you on X the other day and I haven't seen a response 🤔🤔 I see you post on there
@heyJohnEe
5 ай бұрын
Hey bro, I missed the message let me take a look in a little bit once I get home 😎
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