Correction: "Dane: VALVE CHOICES BAD". He doesn't blame content creators like Zesty likes to encourage.
@pez.emikazoo
8 ай бұрын
@@user-lh7mt7zo7ldid you even watch this video
@ProfSplendorFaction
8 ай бұрын
Considering the content creators don't seem to care about their fan bases sending death threats to zesty and his family I don't see why they should be let off the hook. Keep your fucking communities in check
@user-lh7mt7zo7l
8 ай бұрын
@@user-kb7sl1xv5r Well that's subjective and seeing that people keep buying cases you're in the minority for believing this.
@Monkey_XDD
8 ай бұрын
Winter 2021 was the absolute lowest point of TF2, after the MYM update.
@25439
8 ай бұрын
I didn’t play for 2 years after winter 2021 for that reason
@energeticyellow1637
8 ай бұрын
Are you implying it's gotten any better since 2021? I literally could not play the new maps this year because of all the bots.
@communistkorok1501
8 ай бұрын
Monke
@jblazerndrowzy
8 ай бұрын
@@energeticyellow1637I’d say better since bots were practically everywhere in 2021, not by much though
@renataaurasyrga2932
8 ай бұрын
@@energeticyellow1637Yes, i spend 80 hours just to vibe in Galleria, plus i bought almost half of the case cosmetics unlike the Scream fortress one
@blob7282
8 ай бұрын
muscle girl jumpscare
@TinTin-db7yc
8 ай бұрын
*woman
@kingdededethegod5313
8 ай бұрын
Gyatt
@CoolyCools
8 ай бұрын
@@TinTin-db7yc shut up bruh lmao
@user-rm6xv5oe7x
8 ай бұрын
Hear me out
@Chrisz_489
8 ай бұрын
Yummy
@RustyTExcel
8 ай бұрын
Absolutely spot on Zesty, thank you for caring for this game and not holding back on your honesty
@RoofusRoof19
8 ай бұрын
Thanks man. You are a literal god for standing up for the game in face all of the pointless harassment twitter and other reddit-tier youtubers give you. Keep at it and I promise it will keep working. PS. Make a workshop group with you and monkey.
@DrCoeloCephalo
8 ай бұрын
Twitter morons being mad at nothing motivates me to support harder lol.
@user-qv3yt8be9v
8 ай бұрын
they hav a discord server , zesty Jesus and monki -- for workshop creator submissions ..... also zesty has a different discord server and monkii has one too !! 😇
@RoofusRoof19
8 ай бұрын
@@user-qv3yt8be9vdo you have the link to that?
@jimtim1144
8 ай бұрын
Zesty has inspired me to look into the community workshop and give careful yet realistic criticism. Honestly this is something I also felt was important even before I watched Zesty but before I watched him I kinda just gave up so yeah huge props for Zesty and anyone who is trying to speak with the workshop community.
@maskofthedragon
8 ай бұрын
5:34 Items with no comments on them got into the game There was some deep dumpster diving done by whatever AI Valve uses to pick shit
@ProfSplendorFaction
8 ай бұрын
Fuck the Emporium. All my homes hate the Emporium
@niranu78
8 ай бұрын
The last 4 minutes are probably some of the greatest words to ever come out of a TF2 KZitemrs mouth. Never change Zesty.
@Box-O-Soldier
8 ай бұрын
>Zesty uploads >First thing I see is a Mirko shot at a *glorious* angle >We are so back
@Nigolelel
8 ай бұрын
I think the idea of more savetf2's is great. It might bring us another update, but I'm sure people won't do that when it's you delivering the idea.
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
Never say never.
@memememe609
7 ай бұрын
Great coping mechanism. Face it. Valve does not care. Their staff is filled with hipsters who only care about new technology, and hate having to work on old code. They have no passion for old games, and haven't sold the Team Fortress brand because it brings them easy funds. SaveTF2 will never work. You waste your time.
@cloudynguyen6527
20 күн бұрын
@@memememe609 calling Valve's employees hipster is kind of disservice to them because I can guarantee the real hipsters are the ones working at Blizzard and Riot with their virtual signaling of how progressive they are. Valve is a bunch of veteran nerds. They are discourage to work on old games because they have a bonus package based on your peer review. If everyone see you work on Steam or Steam deck, they rank you high. If they see you work on old ass game like TF2, they rank you low. That's why very few people even work on this fucking game. Because they put a huge fuck ton of passion with zero guarantee return. I'm not saying we should praise whatever the fuck the very few devs are doing. They are applying bandage to this broken game day to day. I'm saying Valve has a veteran and hostile structure full of inside tribal groups. Their structure discourage tf2 development because they see no potential to monetize tf2 even more. Tf2 has reached its saturation point
@krimson8089
8 ай бұрын
The Reason Valve chose crap is because they were too lazy to choose new workshop creators, instead relying on Emporium, as they can just keep sending money to the same people and never look the other way. They can just look at their profile and see what they've made recently, and say it's good enough. Summer update broke that mold, kind of (thankfully)... as they've moved on to some other creators, while Emporium have to up their game now, and they did with Halloween and Christmas.
@thewittlesswonder743
8 ай бұрын
I want to hear zesty talk about 1960 cia conspiracies
@pig1491
5 ай бұрын
Conspiracies? Bro it’s public record 💀
@thewittlesswonder743
5 ай бұрын
@@pig1491 fair
@pajamapantsjack5874
8 ай бұрын
Said this before but the lack of passion from Tf2 cosmetic creators is depressing. The most passionate should not be the people trying to sneak the vore flag into the game. It is not “harassing” “artists” it’s criticizing slop makers
@SPORE3257
8 ай бұрын
SNEAKING THE WHAT INTO THE GAME????
@galanga21890
8 ай бұрын
@@SPORE3257 frozen aurora warpaint
@SPORE3257
8 ай бұрын
I want to fucking kms and its the TF2 workshop is to blame@@galanga21890
@Small_child_punter
8 ай бұрын
Thats what this whole thing can be boiled down to. It’s a lack of passion. They aren’t passionate about the hats they make, and they know it.
@ColonelKlink1965
8 ай бұрын
I think the reason why saveTF2 failed (which many people have yet to acknowledge (the failing, not what I say next)) is that, in the storm of tweets where a lot of people would just type # saveTF2 and some other random shit just to get the hashtag in, the message wasn't clear enough to Valve. If we are more calm and collected about it and express our concerns (semi-) directly to Valve in a well constructed format we might accomplish something.
@energeticyellow1637
8 ай бұрын
#removematchmaking
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
@@energeticyellow1637Based and Quickplay pilled. #AddQuickPlayBack #RevertTF2toPreMYM
@ColonelKlink1965
8 ай бұрын
Yes, more hashtags. This time it‘ll work, no doubt.
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
@@ColonelKlink1965 Jokes a seid. We should hold Valve closer to the fire and keep it up until they actually respect tf2. Dota 2 fan base literally started spaming hashtag when Valve said they will get lazy halloween event. They spamed it everywhere and even in the white house streem. Then Valve put an official post that they will get that update. The point i am trying to say. Valve care more about their PR then money at this point. Because the community was still coping for the MYM and we been divided on it. Valve doubled down and gave us JI... And the rest is history. We need a clear goal if we want a new hashtag.
@jaredhebert942
8 ай бұрын
@@energeticyellow1637while I agree it would benefit the game to reimplement Quickplay, this should also be viewed or pitched alongside an opportunity to make current matchmaking better (more options allow more players to play their way), alongside the obvious issues like bots or giving certain weapons the tweaks - buff or nerf - they need to help the game flourish again
@Pogi820.
8 ай бұрын
The video was very well articulated, with great wording and logical follow ups. I honestly think this encapsulates all your other videos regarding the topic in the best way possible while elaborating on the most important point that wasn't as convincing as it is now - ''why the workshoppers hold responsibility''.
@ANukeWithLegs
8 ай бұрын
>Miruko >Asuka My King ! I KNEEL !
@theabsolutetrashman3708
8 ай бұрын
Shoutouts to Ghislaine from Mushoku Tensei
@disappointedcucumber
8 ай бұрын
Hey Zesty, have you considered the possibility of doing a contest where workshoppers submit cosmetics and the winner gets a prize? Think something akin to "Gertrude's Gallery of Garments." I think it'd be a pretty efficient way of promoting the creation of high-quality and art-style-abiding work.
@Bluestlark
8 ай бұрын
Some proffessional concept artist has mentioned this teaching her students (If I can find the video and the name of the artist it would be awesome) But when it comes to the industry, you MUST abide to the rules of whatever it's being asked to you, While yes tf2 is funny and doesn't take itself too seriously, it still followed a pattern, it stil has rules. If you don't do what was asked of you, it doesn't get picked. Some workshop creators take that for granted, anything with far more regulation would have shoot this down HARD. Take care of the game that doesn't have life support anymore.
@sourcw8768
8 ай бұрын
Maybe we should all become mappers just to get valves ear?
@whiffingpotato
8 ай бұрын
One of the reasons why the open letter to valve from mapmakers was so successful is because it directly addressed the problem. All these creators and iNfLuEnCeRs try doing that with the issue being bots instead of holiday themed update. Valve might listen. But there is an equal chance we get an email from Eric saying "Some people might like the bots, so we won't remove them"
@pcarrierorange
8 ай бұрын
"The bots comprise 2/3 of the playerbase. Why would we go against the majority of players?"
@sealsealin9959
8 ай бұрын
Regarding your TF2Emporium comment, they do get responses from Eric. They do try and fix issues with cosmetics regarding their functionality and adherance to the game. But thats essentially the only questions/requests Eric is keen on answering. There have been a couple of letters made addressing the war paint system which was met with dead silence. Some fixes to certain hats that should have reflected the cosmetics advertised in the workshop never made it through. Unless someone gets physical and openly protests at Valve's offices, they wont budge to address issues like bots or infrequent update schedules. That's really it. They 'exploit' the workshop by being the oldest and most productive workshop group there is, thats why most of their members are selected in an update since it is a guaranteed resource of content for the game.
@okaychud
8 ай бұрын
As Zesty stated, it is true that they get responses from Eric regarding pressing technical issues, however there's yet to have been any semblance of a letter, PSA, or anything of the sort by the TF2 Emporium regarding proposed changes to the current standards. According to one of my friends on their server, someone did attempt to organize a community letter back in 2021, but no one in the Emporium ever showed genuine interest in it, hence it immediately became irrelevant a week later. However, ironically enough, that didn't stop the Emporium from supporting a petition/letter quite recently to stop "harassment" by voters on the workshop, which then alluded to utilizing community bans to silence workshop commentators such as Zesty (which was leaked on /vg/). From what I've heard, the availability of the details of this letter were pretty much exclusive to "approved" workshop creators. It just goes to show where their priorities lie. Regarding warpaints, that petition was written by people who don't really have Valve's ear in the first place. Warpaint creators are not prioritized as heavily as core hat/particle creators, the latter of which make up most of the Emporium. In other words, the situation is not even comparable. And yes, creators do exploit the workshop by adhering to "trends" set by Valve's negligence, and encouraging others to do likewise, which is what Zesty said. The tendency for Valve to preferentially select particular Emporium members is a completely different can of worms that was not addressed in the video, and has little to do with cosmetic quality.
@reminagyo2973
8 ай бұрын
Dude. I subbed 3 years ago because you literally say what we’re all thinking. Thank you so much for standing up to these twitter freaks and letting the truth be known.
@chickenlegsmcgee9246
8 ай бұрын
Dane real silent after this one
@Sodownik
8 ай бұрын
Need more food analogies.
@Aibadenshi
8 ай бұрын
If i had to say, Both. 50% because the community make the cosmetic. 50% because Valve pick the cosmetic.
@godofredo404
8 ай бұрын
There is no point in blaming valve because it's uneffective, you missed the point
@realamerican3282
8 ай бұрын
More food analogies pls. You cook good ones
@sky1army423
8 ай бұрын
Zesty keep going, you're the best tf2 youtuber!
@okaychud
8 ай бұрын
Emporium's been real quiet since this dropped...
@theoktoberscarf
8 ай бұрын
They are working on another false claim.
@theboggleddoggo211
8 ай бұрын
It's crazy how using your damn brain to think for a moment instead of throwing whatever shit you have in your pocket into some place that isnt yours is impressive nowadays. Not shitting on everyone who understands and thus dislikes how badly the content and quality control has gotten, but it sucks so so much that being normal is met with ANYTHING but normal, level headed, responses.
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
The workshop is not for adding mods. The tf2 workshop is competition to add the best of the best. The workshop should be ruled by meritocracy. I don't care if the judge is incompetent. Encouraging trash to be added is doing wrong to all who actually talented and made good items. Also holiday theme items opened the flood gate for the worst of worst. WE PAY FOR TF2 ITEMS, WE DON'T WANT BLOAT AND TRASH.
@geraldysjunk
8 ай бұрын
13:40 I just made that connection, thats probably why we've gotten an absurd amount of maps in the last 3 updates. Valve is uploading the shitty maps ALONG with better maps. It makes perfect sense now
@aguynamedGraham
8 ай бұрын
The Ability to turn off comments on workshop submissions should be removed, at least for tf2
@Barfchode
8 ай бұрын
if a workshop poster disables comments, they are AWARE of how bad their creation is
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
@@Barfchodei saw this one guy who make cs items and have 12h in tf2 post ton of AI generated warpaints and have comment disabled. Then few weeks and he opened it and got few comments praising his trash work hidden as "criticism". I call foul play.
@CRTTekeren
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for letting me watch this 7 times in a row while building two Lego sets.
@-Knave
4 ай бұрын
It appears Zesty knows the 15 second retention rule better than anyone else on the platform.
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
8:52 everyone need this reality check.
@jmw10891
8 ай бұрын
I knew the #savetf2 thing wasn't gonna work lol. Don't get me wrong, i love this game, but we as a community really do just lie down after one tweet/patch/update
@peepance1799
8 ай бұрын
"All can be art but not all art is good" Its important that we as human beings do not confuse art appreciation with a throwing away of standards and judgement, and a "everything is ok" attitude. We as human beings have the ability to make arguments for and against and it would be irresponsible and immoral for us to throw that away.
@TheMasterd333
8 ай бұрын
I think the main issue with this argument is trying to generalize it to include the entire workshop community as if they were all in the same playing field. Shitposts/joke submissions, amateur work and items that don't adhere to the game's artstyle all that well have always been a part of the workshop and i don't think people should be discouraged from uploading them to the workshop at all. The issue ultimately stems from that relatively small circle of creators that Valve continuously comes back to, abusing the laziness, neglect and complete lack of item curation for the sake of profit, flooding the workshop with shitty items that actually have a good chance of getting in and not giving a fuck about that responsability.
@mr.jeffmann376
8 ай бұрын
Another gem for the tf2 board
@mgfp
8 ай бұрын
Wasn't the workshop supposed to be a place were the community can vote for made community items to maybe be implemented in to the game. If there such a minority that votes for this garbage, how do they keep geeting in? Shouldn't the data reflect the quality of the item in the eyes of people? Unless Valve's humored favoritism goes out of its way to EGNORE democracy. This situation is so wired...
@maskedfemboyuwu
8 ай бұрын
It's kinda sad to see corruption on tf2 workshop where the guys don't care about improving the maps or the feedback about maps because they get paid anyway...
@MrJoeyWheeler
8 ай бұрын
I lay the blame for the bad items equally at Valve for selecting them - and we know it's laziness because they tend to pick from the same people every time - and the people who make the crap items. They don't get to get away from it.
@koumechan6806
8 ай бұрын
can't believe Zesty is a fan of azupeak
@Randomdud751
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the motivation, time to use my thumbs on the first 10 pages of the workshop.
@spimpsmacker6422
8 ай бұрын
In all honesty, I've struggled to take community content as seriously as I used to. Most of the maps that are featured now are horribly made, unbalanced and buggy as hell; hats are continuing to ruin what little art-style (if any at all) there is left, and I genuinely haven't cared about new cosmetic crates for years now; unusuals now are a joke; and the community itself does nothing but whine and bicker about how Valve doesn't update the game, yet they haven't done anything of real substance to restimulate activity for all the free modding and developer tools they're given.
@Nerty1458
8 ай бұрын
My dad works for valve he decides what gets in.
@SaintRedFox
8 ай бұрын
can he get in mario next time
@meat.
8 ай бұрын
@@SaintRedFoxayo?
@bekari305
8 ай бұрын
honestly im so tired of seeing those ugly smissmass 0.10 $ cosmetics or those crappy hats for halloween. I really like the idea of turning off all of cosmetics in the game just to not see those horrible sets
@sora911204
8 ай бұрын
Oh my god the FUCKING GUMBALL HAT. Happy that the ability to criticize workshoppers for putting out garbage is significantly more acceptable now due largely to your efforts. Keep going dude
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
I been doing it since the trash banana hat was added.... 7 YEARS AGO. but i still didn't give up. Happy i didn't and more people are vocal about it.
@lordsuslik
8 ай бұрын
More comments for KZitem algorithm to support the video through it
@patrickholt8782
2 ай бұрын
Mirko makes opinions correct.
@jimtim1144
8 ай бұрын
Zesty I have destroyed Uncle Dane as an engineer before so we can pretend that somehow invalidates any opinions he has on TF2 with him having a skill issue and all. Though it could have been one of the ten thousand Uncle Dane lookalikes.
@HeyKyle
23 күн бұрын
You knew that we would stick around with that intro
@Walker443
8 ай бұрын
I’m glad someone like zesty is someone that speaks like me, cause savetf2 was a fucking bust, it was a failure, and tf2 KZitemrs need to hear this, as we really need to take a stand again, but what can we do to get valve’s attention?
@daddy-odizzy5180
8 ай бұрын
10:04 While I don’t mind the chef and restaurant owner analogy, the biggest flaw is that workshop owners aren’t employees of Valve. A better analogy would be if the restaurant held a local cook off to determine the new special. If they declare something bland or gross to be the winner of the cook off, it IS partially on the contestant for competing, but 90% of the blame goes on the judge for not having standards.
@doubledee8677
8 ай бұрын
It isn't like they don't know what they're making is bad - they simply don't care. It's all about the money for them, nothing else.
@daddy-odizzy5180
8 ай бұрын
@@doubledee8677But why is the judge that supposedly held the competition to determine the recipe for the next lunch special choosing something gross as the winner? At the end of the day, the contestants aren’t employees, so a majority of the scrutiny should go on the restaurant owner judging.
@doubledee8677
8 ай бұрын
@@daddy-odizzy5180 Because the judge doesn't care either. About anything. And we can't force Valve's hand, it's simply not possible. They're too large, have too much money - especially from other revenue streams. TF2 is nothing to them. Scrutinising them is like trying to bring down a steel monolith by whacking it with a pool noodle; no matter how hard you or how long you try, it won't have any effect. So, since the judge is out of our hands, why would we not turn to the contestants who willingly, and deliberately put forth pure shit solely for their own gain? We can't stop Valve from choosing shit, but we *can* stop shit from being put forward for them to choose.
@daddy-odizzy5180
8 ай бұрын
@@doubledee8677 No one is arguing that we CAN force Valve’s hand. I’m saying that the executive decisions rest on Valve, so they’re the most deserving of scrutiny.
@doubledee8677
8 ай бұрын
@@daddy-odizzy5180 The choice of what's submitted is in Valve's hand's, absolutely. The choice of what's submitted is in the Workshopper's. I will 100% hold responsible someone who turned in something dreadful that gets chosen for having made it in the first place. No one has forced these people to make these items the way they have. It isn't like they have no way of knowing the stuff they submit is trash. The style and tone of the game is very clear, long established and with many examples to look at - there's even a small guide attached to the workshop to help any item creators. If scrutinising Valve had any impact then sure, your words would have merit. But it doesn't, so they don't.
@puzzlepuddles6712
7 ай бұрын
i always wondered why csgo skins work so much better than tf2 ones (at least the ones we got). csgo skins look like they highlight the weapon more like add contours to edges or add a gradient to the barrel. if i had to compare the two games, csgo skins look like street art, while tf2 skins look like wrapping paper
@MrR-ns2ru
8 ай бұрын
One thing I think is that saying let’s do another save tf2 has been going on long enough why don’t people with influence start it? Like I believe we can as a community of this game would do it again if someone was able to structure another movement. And hey if it doesn’t work we do it again and again sooner or later all the bad press will hurt valve’s bottom line and force them into doing something right?
@Barmem
8 ай бұрын
people with influence feel superior to general tf2 community
@energeticyellow1637
8 ай бұрын
If you want #savetf2episode1 to do anything you're going to have to physically take it to valve's offices.
@justanotheraccounthere2014
8 ай бұрын
It won't hurt Valve's bottom line or their reputation, whatever the community tries to do. You need a significant amount of gamers to get out of their corpo/studio worship delusion. Valve is at a position similar to Rockstar, where they can almost do whatever they want without very minimal damage to their reputation, because many gamers still believe they are the good guys (aka being delusional). Red Dead Online community has started quite a lot of Twitter hashtags, KZitem mass uploading, even Steam Awards trolling just this year. What did R* do? Basically nothing. And when the GTA 6 trailer released, R* is once again praised as the King of Gaming, and all the bad news (ignoring community, GTA Online Shark Cards and Defective Edition, threatening modders with private dicks, etc) are conveniently forgotten and a large portion of the community starts the praise once again.
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
This why i support save tf2 in the beginning. Valve should be held closer to the fire longer and more if we want real improvement and quick play back.
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
@@justanotheraccounthere2014you are 100% correct. Enough is enough.
@Meladoom
8 ай бұрын
I'm gonna be honest - I browse workshop every now and then since I started playing TF2 in 2013, and I think I already "Liked" everything that I actually like (example - The Catwalk taunt). I might have around 1000 liked items, and guess what! Whatever they were adding during those years (ex. 9:47 ), NEVER EVEN APPEARED IN MY VOTING QUEUE! They add stuff that I never knew existed, while neglecting items that I've been wanting since 2014! :(
@whiffingpotato
8 ай бұрын
This is my personal observation: whoever picks items for this game at valve, loves some collective worshoppers. Also, they like to fill lower grades in seasonal crates with tradeup fodders. So when they don't see a cheap looking cosmetic on the first few pages of worshop, they just siff through these creators' items and pick one. For example: the covert covers for spy (merc grade in the recent crate). I have never seen that item on the workshop before. Wonder why? It's because it was uploaded back in 2015, updated in 2017. Yet it still got in because the contributors of this item already had some items accepted before.
@CoolSs
7 ай бұрын
that's true, i remember sending zesty items i favorited like in 2015 and he was shocked of how old the submissions were despite the fact they were quality one. (Glad to see another catwalk enjoyer here too) it's not a community upvoting system. it's a suggestion system. this why we think Valve use shotgun method of selection.
@CoolSs
7 ай бұрын
@@whiffingpotato "covert covers" i hate that item so much. it's like the only really ugly item in that case. also it look amateurishly made. and a someone who check the workshop at least two to three time a week and have seen a lot of items that i get older items recommended to me. i never saw that item. i know that the workshop show items that get some engagement and i am almost sure most of those items no one see and low rated are only added because Valve worked with that workshoper in the past.
@Darkelite84
8 ай бұрын
I would especially like it if it was a cosmetic that I would enjoy equipping outside of the season too. Kind of like the Head Warmer for example. I enjoy equipping that hat to Pyro for both during and outside of Christmas. Basically asking myself if I want to equip this said item often whenever I play the game by the time it gets accepted.
@hannayapelekai1628
8 ай бұрын
thank you guy from always sunny in philadelphia
@DudeTheNinja
8 ай бұрын
I'm not usually the biggest fan of your angle on workshop stuff but this really opened my eyes to the "critical" perspective. I've in the past seen the picks as almost-entirely Valve's doing, but to an extent workshop creators (like myself, though I've never had a thing put in the game) should at least try to make consistently "thematically appropriate" items over gimmicky goofy stuff so it's harder for Valve to find the "slop" (as people like to call it). I myself have tried to keep to this, and I do admit I have made some definite blunders (see the time I was dead-set on trying to make a "glaggleland"-themed war paint work, even though I personally enjoyed making it, I *really* shouldn't have stuck it on the workshop tbh), but I then sprang back from that (briefly before just getting tired of not having a chance because Valve is weird with when they want to release War Paint cases and taking a break), making war paints and decorated weapon skins that I absolutely adore to this day (and the numbers agree on them, getting almost 80% upvotes on a Black Box skin I made a few months ago). So, overall, I can confirm that even if I think the way people go about voicing their criticisms can be a bit harsh (and contradictory occasionally, as I've seen in WS comment sections), the sentiment of those critics is something I respect.
@Synical02
7 ай бұрын
Dane and others imo just has straight forward mentality sometimes ,and doesn't see the nuance in the situation. Common consensus is oh the game is old "World of Warcraft exist so your excuse? The community needs to communicate and vote in the workshop on quality items especially if people are makin money off of it. I see this taunt the bushwalker being criticized, and people dont like it. Some of these creators are on dick though, i played emerge THAT SHIT IS ASS. My mentality this all could happen to Csgo whenever valve doesn't care about them so we should make a strong community now.
@CoolSs
8 ай бұрын
Thank you. Our voices and thoughts would been lost to the void. As they been for years. I always been vocal about it but i am but one man with no time to build a platform or make items.
@aro_ger_
8 ай бұрын
Honestly, I frickin' Love Zesty, he's someone from the TF2 Community *we need* and EVERYONE Needs to listen to!
@cheezi1030
8 ай бұрын
you are right zesty
@pjkrill3109
8 ай бұрын
5:10 OMG BO BURNHAM REFERENCE RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@chickenitza8
4 ай бұрын
The most aggravating part is the existence of cartels of creators who talk to valve employees and act like they give a shit about the game while abusing it as a dumping ground for their portfolio and a way to abuse the most miniscule power they can pull together.
@Ommelanden
5 ай бұрын
I guess tf2 workshop items are like modern architecture Sure the architects have their artistic freedom to design something with a personal touch and vision But at the end of the day a lot of people involuntarily are stuck having to look at tacky nonsense that sticks out like sore thumb Whether it'd be saturated crudely modelled santa hats or overscaled glass and zinc abominations
@superjesse645
8 ай бұрын
I'm really tired of festive hats. Change my mind. Also, Nonomi noises.
@Uber_Rush
8 ай бұрын
The 2022 summer case is probably what kicked people in the pants and showed them what we can actually have in terms of good cosmetics that you won't look like a complete festive jackass wearing charismas decor during friggin august. I'd say we we've been getting better cosmetics(SF2023 was kinda eh) The workshop has been getting better submissions than just random object or "shoulder/pocket pet". The thing I can not stand is people getting all defensive when they are getting valid criticism, hey I get that you worked hard on this and I will congratulate you on your compliment but maybe instead of posting stuff on tf2's workshop maybe try Unreal's market place instead, that'll show your skills to a larger audience. gonna stop myself before I go on about the shitty state tf2 is in and how the community is pretty much in a civil war to an extent. idk man .-.
@luuidz1966
8 ай бұрын
Eloquent and well spoken even as ever senpai
@alephcake
8 ай бұрын
you get a lot of hate for being overly negative and allat but honestly we need somebody thats just honest about our beloved hat simulator
@moony_otter
5 ай бұрын
The point is that, ultimately for workshoppers, your content is going to be within a game that OTHER PEOPLE will also be impacted by. If you're making a client side mod that only affects how YOU play the game, then go absolutely batshit wild, do the craziest shit, beat this game into a completely different amalgamation of your wildest dreams and desires; in the case, it's your playground. However, when you now have your content affect others; affect the economy, affect the items added to crates, affect other people having your item in their inventory and see it in-game; then you have to start respecting the people and game you're making content for. You want to turn all the characters into buff anime women? You want to make all of the maps' textures look like Minecraft? You want the weapons to look like they were made to look like an Earthbound boss and not TF2? Go for it, on your own client-sided mods where those changes only impact you and your gameplay, don't force that shit onto all of the other people playing this game who, as a matter of fact, don't want to turn their game into another junkpile of anything and everything that isn't TF2.
@Boney9551
8 ай бұрын
Zesty you are becoming Gordon freeman
@Iwidelyoutliveeverything
8 ай бұрын
hat and warpaint quality in the workshop has skyrocketed thanks to you
@elder_gambino3403
2 ай бұрын
this shows why tf2 has lived so long, there are actual politics revolving around the game and the choices that valve make towards it
@yobber2991
8 ай бұрын
i love the food analogies
@EmmetsPage
8 ай бұрын
"Oh boy a ZestyJesus video!" *click* ":0"
@maxerduster
8 ай бұрын
GYATT!!!
@dr.felixou
8 ай бұрын
I like tomboys
@lazyvector
7 ай бұрын
Dropping responsibilty for some shit on only one side is a sign of childish behaviour. It's like kids start fight in kindergarden and then try to blame anyone but not themself. In this situation, both sides are responsible for low quality of items in game: Valve is responsible for abandoning this game and therefore absence of workshop moderation, and workshop creators are responsible for abusing that fact and attempting to turn this game into what they want, not what this game is supposed to be. It doesn't matter on who is more responcible for that, BOTH sides are responsible and deserve any hate that comes as a result (exept from something that may put them in danger).
@Mitioritos
8 ай бұрын
Did you get a haircut? Your hair looks Nice man
@Nul1fy
Ай бұрын
I used to be one of those people who thought you where annoying and just complained to much but i've come to realize everything you say is absolutely fucking correct
@burgertanker7970
8 ай бұрын
Good soup, thank you sir
@taklampan650
8 ай бұрын
Great discussion as always!
@doodlenov
8 ай бұрын
kino
@25439
8 ай бұрын
Stop watching jawsh
@energeticyellow1637
8 ай бұрын
redditchan lingo
@sloppy_slime
8 ай бұрын
I really feel like a fairly large group of people, including some designers (both mapping and art mostly) should decide what gets in the game
@ferenctoth1240
8 ай бұрын
Iam 100% sure someone just stopped the video at the first 1-5 sec
@rockerattribute
8 ай бұрын
no, they didn't. Your attention span is just so short you can't listen to someone talk for more than a few seconds without subway surfers on the right and an episode of Family Guy at the bottom. Don't lump me in with your sorry ass
@meatballmustard7658
8 ай бұрын
ill give little props to dane for actually acknowledging it.
@user-iu4jl6cg4n
8 ай бұрын
I hate most of the modern tf2 cosmetics but honestly a chirstmas themed sombrero should be made a felony in every possible state/country/continent. Fucking hell that is horrendous
@rotforlife
8 ай бұрын
nice hair
@renataaurasyrga2932
8 ай бұрын
James, Hammond, Or Clarkson?
@zestyalt
8 ай бұрын
I love James too much, I have to pick Mr. May
@MrPgm7
8 ай бұрын
Keep on keeping on, your work is being appreciated
@Spooky_Rex
8 ай бұрын
Its fun to make a cosmetic for a week, add shape keys so the cosmetic doesnt clip, and fix issues only to see valve add a literal piece of paper clipped to a mercs face as a cosmetic 😅
@uncleshagworthy
8 ай бұрын
Tf2 fans when zesty (they will get mad at you for breathing)
@patheticidiot
8 ай бұрын
Good commentary Zesty, you put up a lot of good but also some old points you've touched upon before, even as far as a year or four ago, and it makes it refreshing seeing you still stand and abide by those opinions. Also, since we had to stare at a minigun named Nonomi this entire video, gotta ask: Is the name of the minigun, and well, it being the weapon, the minigun, a reference to a certain Abydoss student from a certain game? Because if so, cool beans.
@skatepirate97
7 ай бұрын
eminems been real quiet after this one
@RealJiren
5 ай бұрын
No way nonomi minigun zesty plays blue archive???
@seronymus
8 ай бұрын
As an artist, I can say that creators DO have a repsnsibility to make good and beautiful art. Life is short and most everyone knows this world direly needs more quality and inspiration. Its a communal effort, especiallly for a community-based game like Tf2, and that means everyone even tangentially involved should not fall into being a mini-Judas for pieces of silver. Artists should be studying even old masters and classic illustators for the sake of even this game, or any game. Beauty matters.
@Sleepy_Cabbage
8 ай бұрын
the way i see it, alot of workshoppers will use the workshop as an art gallery, cause in a way it makes sense to put it there over anywhere else since it relates the most to content they make, you dont usually see people post their custom tf2 creations on deviant art afterall, so perhaps their could be something built into steam that shows off the content without being a direct submission for the game? idk but i do agree it shouldnt be used as a art gallery
@reallyahuman
8 ай бұрын
theres literally an art gallery over there on steam community. steam workshop is NOT their place
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