Owning an airplane is just slightly less expensive than a crack addiction.
@raiyan3348
6 жыл бұрын
Scott Franco and crack addiction is cheaper than a gaming addiction
@FurNaxxYT
6 жыл бұрын
TheChaoticGamer crack addiction is cheaper than *PC* gaming addiction
@Heart2HeartBooks
4 жыл бұрын
And they both get you "High"
@muhammadsteinberg
4 жыл бұрын
@Scott Franco....You sure about that?...Don't know what a crack rock cost but I'm sure it is less than the plastic door pillar post I paid for. 100LL at my FBO $4.54gal. My next two purchases PMA 8000BT audio panel $3k installed and GNC-255 (nav/com) afraid to ask. I'd be better off doing crack...😊
@spannaspinna
2 жыл бұрын
Na crack and gaming addiction cheaper than owning an aeroplane
@steviedandashleyc
7 жыл бұрын
This is pretty good information. I like the editing you do. Very cool!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@jasonnemjo5981
7 жыл бұрын
I have been involved in General Aviation from fixed wing to rotor over the last 19 years and I have never come across this explanation. Fantastic job. Thank you very much.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Yay! Thank you so much :D
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Do you guys ever wonder what I'm doing on Friday nights that always seems to delay my 5:00 video posting??? Well, at least it's usually aviation related...
@davidlong3359
7 жыл бұрын
Friendly Skies Film Just glad to see a video!
@tastyechos3273
7 жыл бұрын
great vid
@TonyGizer
5 жыл бұрын
Have a look at the stats for engine failure in the first couple hundred hours after overhaul.
@stevenm.8423
7 жыл бұрын
That was really informative. Great video!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed :)
@theprofessorfate6184
4 жыл бұрын
It cost a lot because it has something to do with airplanes and the opportunity to rip people off is greater.
@leslie7872
5 жыл бұрын
i want to go into aviation maintenance technician when i graduate high school. could you make videos about whats it like, and the theoretical and hands on things we learn?!?!??!
@Ty-vk5do
3 жыл бұрын
Do it you wont regret it
@hyfastaerospace4388
7 жыл бұрын
TBO is the graphical intersection where reliability decreases and repair cost increases. Compounding excessive clearances usually found past TBO stress components differently than intended, causing non consumable parts to fail inspection thus inflating repair costs greatly
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Hm. Well said. Nice analysis.
@mig-f-8623
7 жыл бұрын
The only difference between an overhaul and a rebuild engine is the manufacturer can call it a rebuilt. A mechanic can literally do everything the manufacturer does to rebuild their engine, but the mechanic's cannot call it rebuilt and they cannot put the time in service to 0.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
That's true, but the other big difference would be everything I discussed in this video :P
@Thomas-Henry
7 жыл бұрын
As always, a very informative video, thanks!I'd love to see more on maintenance :)
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
So glad that you enjoyed! :)
@bwagenberg
7 жыл бұрын
As an owner with the budget you have, do you overhaul or rebuild? Is the price the same? Use a local mechanic at your airport or send the engine to the manufacturer? Nick, wonderful graphics? What program was used? How did you find pictures of a small plane engine and parts or did you or someone draw them. Did you do it yourself or send them out? How many engine rebuild procedures can you do yourself? Change your own oil, calibrate your compass... something?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Bruce! I personally go for factory rebuild, just because of the safety. They do tend to be a little more expensive, but there are some interesting incentives they offer too. Adobe After Effects CS 5.5, took them myself, or public domain. And, you can do oil changes, tire changes, and cleaning, but that's about it. There's probably more, but I don't keep up with all those rules, since I'd rather have it done by experienced hands. Phew! Great questions, as usual! Haha
@bwagenberg
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very. Learn so much here. I want to see Scotty Kilmer start doing plane overhaul videos! So easy, everyone can do it.
@scottfranco1962
6 жыл бұрын
The other advantage to a factory rebuild: My engine overhauler is already out of business, 7 year later.
@vadermike7772
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and very informative, and the graphics and animations and sounds were fantastic! I love these types of information videos just as much as your flying vids. Great job as always.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Yay! Glad you enjoyed :)
@Flightx52
7 жыл бұрын
Interesting video topic. I now have something new to talk to my students about when we get to engine systems! By the way Nick, a few weeks ago I had an engine failure in a Warrior. If you're interested in the details, shoot me a PM and I'll e-mail you about it. It was my first emergency, and being that it was a Warrior, I thought you might be interested in hearing the story!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
I certainly would! I don't suppose you were lucky enough to have it on video, were you? You can email me directly at friendlyskiesfilm@gmail.com, if you like.
@Flightx52
7 жыл бұрын
Email sent!
@tarzanek5
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I never comment, but I loved the fact that you didn't ask to like it or subscribe.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
So glad you enjoyed. Yeah, that's not really my style ;)
@pussymcstanky
7 жыл бұрын
Honostly, If I knew nothing about planes, I would like just for the animation XD Great work!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Yay! I worked hard on them this week :P
@joshmccorquodale9082
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as usual, especially on such an important topic. Your editing only gets better! Have a nice weekend
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
You too, old friend! You really might be one of the oldest at this point! I should get you a prize :)
@joshmccorquodale9082
7 жыл бұрын
Friendly Skies Film Nice talking to you again! The only prize needed is more of your videos!!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Josh McCorquodale aww, too kind ;)
@utah20gflyer76
4 жыл бұрын
Although not an overhaul you have the option of doing an IRAN ( Inspect and Repair as Needed). You get an usable engine back without the time being reset but perfectly functional for quite some time.
@felipe69420
7 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in what parts are actually reused. In automotive applications we are always taught if you reuse a moving component in the engine it must go back in the exact spot it came from. This is true with pistons, rods, cranks, valvetrain, rings, ect. Wear patterns basically mate the cylinder sleeve and piston together instance. I could see alternators, oil pans, windage trays, geartrains, ect being reused but rotating assemblies being randomly put together sounds odd.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Good question. I had always assumed there would be some continuity like you said, but I have no idea, actually.
@rogervoss4877
7 жыл бұрын
+Philip Robb - Specific answers come from the factory manual of course, but in general the engines either do NOT have parts wear matched to sets OR those pieces are replaced. Much is different from newer Automotive designs, with more replaceable wear parts built into the design (as cars ALSO once were). Cases would stay in matched pairs, since they're machined as a set. But cranks/cams could be swapped around to any cases, since they are entirely supported by replaced bearings (no cam in head style without bearings). Pistons/rings/cylinders come as replacement sets. Heads would be rebuilt after inspection, new valve guides, newly cut or replaced & cut valve seats, new valves/springs keepers etc.. Then each head can end up on any engine. See how it works? Designed for rebuild makes a difference.
@felipe69420
7 жыл бұрын
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks Roger
@shmuck66
6 жыл бұрын
Given the costs and ease of manufacture of some parts it makes no sense for certain parts to be reused. Examples would be pistons, valves, oil pumps, drive chains (or gears but they rarely fail).. I certainly could see that some of these parts would be reused given enough stinginess but for total peace of mind I certainly would not do it. Parts that would certainly have every right to be reused if in good shape would be blocks, cranks, rods, manifolds, carbs, heads, cylinders, and many of those parts can be reconditioned even if not in great shape. Coming from an automotive and marine background thats my line of thinking. I certainly would never want a rebuilt or overhaul to reuse certain parts on my engine, regardless of what the manufacturer says. And while I certainly realize that new parts are also a new variable towards risk, the price you pay for new parts like valves and pistons also contribute to the quality and risk of failure. Looking at it from a stressed component that is most likely to fail and cause catastrophic failure I would insist on those parts being new (valves, oil pump, chains, and pistons). Other parts that would cause catastrophic failure would be carb but thats not a stressed component its up to the rebuild of the carb and parts used inside it.
@alexasta85
7 жыл бұрын
Short. Clear. Informative. Thank you
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Yay! :)
@garyradtke3252
Жыл бұрын
I have spent my life building engines and have found that exchanging an engine can bring problems you didn't have before. If you know the engine and it is warn or just time for overhaul then my experience is using the base engine you started with unless it is a catastrophic failure. I have had reman engines, factory and otherwise, that failed early do to hidden problems in the block or other reused/reconditioned parts. The trick is finding a competent trustworthy rebuilder and not just price shopping that everyone seems to view as most important or the only consideration these days. Too many people view repair as all equal and if someone is cheaper enough to gamble and jump through hoops there is most likely a negative reason for it. Not always true but usually. By the way, compression test isn't the be all end all. Lots of other considerations to determine the soundness of an engine that isn't reflected by a compression or leak down test.
@john3Lee
7 жыл бұрын
I loved the graphics :)
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Glad someone noticed ;P
@Poorschedriver
7 жыл бұрын
So the last method you speak of I believe would typically be referred to as re-manufactured, at least in the automotive world that is. I would imagine that while they are re-using pieces like crankcases and cylinders, they are changing critical components in favor of new ones, such as cylinder liners, new pistons and rings, while there are other parts such as crankshafts that may need to just be polished and put back into service.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Yep, you're absolutely correct. The FAA notes that remanufacture and rebuild can be used interchangeably.
@scottfranco1962
6 жыл бұрын
Oh this is your best video by far...
@fwoodbridge
7 жыл бұрын
As (almost) always, awesome content. You're really making it more difficult for me not to get back in the air.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, old friend :)
@brittany16950
4 жыл бұрын
The animations in this video are absolutely adorable.
@gveduccio
7 жыл бұрын
feedback - it was a great explanation about overhaul vs rebuild...and if I was ever to have extended time with family up there I would love a crash course in doing the graphics...for now I have to stick with just doing good editing
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, mate :) Glad to have you as one of my oldest fans on the Patreon early access.
@NikosWings
7 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I learned something...
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
I did too! That's why I make some of these videos :)
@rgldr1190
7 жыл бұрын
extremely interesting video! I did not know this..
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
I didn't either! That's why I made it. Hopefully people will share and we can spread the news. Some of these things just make me wonder WHY exactly nobody knows them.
@smith0426
7 жыл бұрын
The graphic of "weeding out" manufacturer defects through generations seems odd. If each part is inspected before they go into a pile, it seems that the rejected parts would more likely be due to normal wear, abuse, or the effects of aging. And any significant manufacturer defects would be weeded out after the first generation. In which case the 2st generation would be no different than the 1000th generation.
@smith0426
3 жыл бұрын
@@ezicarus8216 I said normal wear and ageing. Although terrifyingly, I have no recollection of making this comment 4 years ago
@tHe_sTrYnG
6 жыл бұрын
omg man thanks for the info ...... Great....
@cdsbow1
6 жыл бұрын
I just overhauled a IO550B, i really wish it cost "upwards of 15000" hahaha
@Peter_Riis_DK
7 жыл бұрын
May I ask, while you say it's not FAA required to have an engine overhauled, is there no official requirements in the US to have smaller aircraft inspected (airframe, controls, engine) or the instruments calibrated? Oh, and happy inauguration day. 😊
@DrewLSsix
7 жыл бұрын
Peter Riis. for a private aircraft there is no legal requirement for when an engine must he overhauled or rebuilt, if you are using the plane to make money then they do have some nominal guidelines but just like a private owner and his mechanic may determine its safe to fly past TBO (or that its not safe to fly well before TBO) airlines and other businesses may make the same determination and submit to the FAA for deferred overhaul. Its a very common practice.
@AV8R_1
7 жыл бұрын
Peter Riis since the other reply here didn't answer your question, let me. Yes - there are very specific maintenance and inspection requirements for all aircraft to maintain a certificate of airworthiness. This includes periodic inspections of the engine, as well as the condition of the airframe etc.. during said inspections, parts or devices critical to the airworthiness of the craft must meet specific requirements and or tolerances as approved by the FAA. If these critical parts do not meet the FAA's certification standards, they must be replaced to maintain airworthiness. As for instruments, there are required instruments for VFR and IFR flight, and they must meet specific accuracy requirements to be considered legally usable for flight, they must be checked and calibrated as necessary. More so for IFR required instruments. IFR instruments must be checked and calibrated every 2 years to maintain legal IFR flight airworthiness. All of this is spelled out in detail in the FAA regulations.
@Peter_Riis_DK
7 жыл бұрын
TomVaillencourt Thanks, Tom. That's reassuring. I believe that we have much the same requirements here in DK although it's been some years since I last checked.
@Peter_Riis_DK
7 жыл бұрын
DrewLSsix Not really what I was asking, Drew, but thanks for the effort.
@gevmage
7 жыл бұрын
A couple of clarifications and additions. ALL certificated aircraft in the US must have an annual inspection every year where every moving part is inspected, checked, and lubricated. Many of the components in the aircraft have specific checks to be made to make sure they're safe. The engine (which is the biggest single component) separately has lots of items to be inspected that it must pass to meet its annual inspection, and the engine must pass for the airplane to pass. The propeller is the other big separate component that must pass, although its inspection is typically much simpler. ("Certificated" leaves out experimental amateur-built aircraft, which have similar requirements but that's a separate discussion.) It is true that for NONCOMMERCIAL use, the time-between-overhaul on a certificated engine is merely a recommendation. However, there still are things to check that the engine must pass at every annual inspection. At some point your mechanic may not be willing to pass the engine based on some test or the engine's condition, at which point you can have it overhauled or find another mechanic. Finding one that will pass any engine is a dangerous game. For aircraft that are used for hire (small rental aircraft, including training aircraft, commercial aircraft, and airliners), engine hour limits before overhaul are legally MANDATORY.
@Daniel19998
7 жыл бұрын
Hey could you maybe do a video about studying and taking the written FAA exam?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
I definitely want to do one for the oral exam, because I think that gets less attention, but I'll see what I can do :)
@johnhill7133
7 жыл бұрын
Nice INFORMATION. Is it more cost effective to purchase a new engine?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say so... but it might be in the long run, of course, if your engine becomes prone to problems later.
@thebeanpatch2280
3 жыл бұрын
Where oh where have you gone.
@scottfranco1962
4 жыл бұрын
i did my engine "overhaul", but they swapped out the engine block for another for various reasons. Thus it is somewheres between overhaul and remanufacture.
@billyramirez3157
4 жыл бұрын
Scott Franco it is still just an overhaul because total time on your engine is continued, a remanufactured would grant it 0 total time
@Bartonovich52
7 жыл бұрын
It's not high school math, it's Grade 5 math. As in, are the measured limits to three decimal places greater than or less than the new limits or service limits. For an overhauled engine done by a third party shop, they are measuring service limits. These are the limits which should allow a part to go another TBO interval without failing. Most larger components like cranks, camshafts, gears, con rods, cylinders, and case halves will often continue in service, while items like piston rings, bearing shells, etc are replaced at every tear down regardless. For a factory reman, all components are to new limits. With the cost of tear down, cleaning, and inspection... it's doubtful there is a large feedstock of engine parts several generations old when new components can be made cheaply. This also allows for the factory to incorporate improvements, ADs, and Service Bulletins, and why new ADs often encompass engines assembled in a block of dates vs being scattered to individual serial numbers which have the offending parts. Engine cores are accepted to take engines out of circulation rather than for parts.
@gevmage
7 жыл бұрын
You hit on something I was going to mention after I saw the video. As the video and you both said, the factory remanufacturing process has all components at new limits, and that's a legal requirement of it being a "remanufacture". So a remanufactured engine should definitely go as long as a brand-new engine would. "they are measuring service limits. These are the limits which should allow a part to go another TBO interval without failing. " Is that the definition of service limit? I thought that it just meant the components weren't out of spec NOW, but there was no expectation that they would go to full TBO. Anyway, some shops will rebuild the engine to service limits, which is the legal requirement of an "overhaul". Doing this will result in a lower cost of overhaul, because some components are returned to the engine not quite as good as new. However, some shops do what they call a "major overhaul" (which has no legal definition as far as I can tell) where they restore all components to new limits. They can't zero-time the engine for legal reasons, but they can make it (theoretically) as good as a remanufacture would be. That costs a lot more, though. It's also worth mentioning that the cost differential between this options is LARGE. A brand-new engine (no core) for, say, a Lycoming 360 series is something over $50k. An overhaul to new limits with all new cylinders is something like $25k. An overhaul only to service limits is somewhat less than $20k.
@DFX2KX
7 жыл бұрын
Ironically, this is a similar process to what some engine rebuilders do in the automotive industry. And I don't know about aircraft, but in cars sometimes the rebuilt engines have few issues then new ones.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right! It's weird to think about how that works, but it's true.
@DFX2KX
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, go figure. My stepdad always recommended getting a rebuild over a used part if you could possibly afford it, particularly with transmissions. If he where around today, I'd imagine he would compare an aircraft engine to an automatic transmission in a car: Complicated, and reliable so long as they are fixed and maintained by someone who does nothing else.
@eparock
Жыл бұрын
@@DFX2KX most of the old plane engines like the continentals are literally tractor engines they put in planes...
@cbizzyr
7 жыл бұрын
Hi there. I have recently became very very very fascinated in flying. As a kid I think we all were/are but as I got older I started to not like flying "Commercial" ... I think its a control thing and a not being able to see ahead of me thing. Anyway, I am thinking about starting of getting a SPORT PILOT or RECREATIONAL PILOT Licence. Are there any major differences between the 2 i.e. money, time, plane types etc. And are there downfalls to getting one and not the other or is it like compared to like going to college (credit wise) associates, bachlor, masters etc. Thanks if anyone can point me to some knowledge. Also I am in the ATLANTA area so if anyone recommends any schools, let me know!!!! Thanks - Charles
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
There are actually a lot of differences, but I'm probably the worse person to tell you. There are plenty of resources online that you can search for that will do a much better job of explaining the differences than I will. So glad to hear that you are getting back into your love of aviation, though! :)
@ryanm.191
7 жыл бұрын
25k subs, congratulations. Your channel is exploding
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if only... January has been a pretty sad month.
@DrMD-1
7 жыл бұрын
Would I save more money if I overhaul my engine by myself, since I'm an A&P Mechanic?
@computer5272
7 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't you know?!!??!
@fadimo305
7 жыл бұрын
TheMusicboy316, NO. Not if you're an approved and certified repair station. You are limited to cylinder replacements and such but cannot officially overhaul an engine and fly legally.
@fadimo305
7 жыл бұрын
TheMusicboy316,.... Like the above poster said. You should know this as they explain this in recip theory and overhaul and its part of the oral and practical. Where did you go to school?
@DrMD-1
7 жыл бұрын
fadimo305 wells it's been more than a year since I took my exams, it's not like I remember everything i learned, especially when it's focused on GA. I'm in the airline business
@Bartonovich52
7 жыл бұрын
No... because the amount of tools you would have to buy would exceed the cost of an overhaul. In addition to basic tools, you'd need an overhaul manual, a range of very expensive precision measuring tools, specialized tools for assembly, and a test stand with precision instruments, a test club, and cooling hood for test run and run in. Also... assembling an engine is a bit of an art. This is why there is such variation between engine shops and things like leaks, low compression, oil consumption, and even catastrophic failure.
@ZhihengCao
3 жыл бұрын
Would the engine break if one component breaks? Rebuilt engine life = Instead of average isn't it the worst part remaining life?
@bobbeals2893
7 жыл бұрын
Mmmmm...What is the cost of an overhauled as opposed to rebuilt? I'd hate to think that the one thing that failed on my rebuilt engine was a fuel pump on take off. But I guess I'd feel better knowing someone else got my really good fuel pump in their rebuilt engine as I'm putting my aircraft down in a field somewhere. I think I'd go with an overhaul.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Right? It's a little weird, and you really need to know your engine well to make that decision. The factory rebuilds and overhauls are always more expensive than having it done locally, probably by about $5k average.
@mm-zj5qw
7 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! Should we expect any video about beautiful flight attendant's socks smell after hard working day ? Do they check it each time? Also I passed atpl exams! Congrats to me.! Feel free to invite me to USA and take a few flights with you . ty
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
omfg you do make me laugh every time ;P Congratulations! :D
@mm-zj5qw
7 жыл бұрын
Now i'm going to fly in Austria on da42. So when should i expect invitation? As you see i must improve my english speech skills and grammar!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
You English is quite fine, actually :) You're welcome anytime, mate! Just let me know when you're in the area.
@mm-zj5qw
7 жыл бұрын
Friendly Skies Film ok , thanks. but i don't have visa to USA
@Aero360Aviation
7 жыл бұрын
This was very good
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Glad you thought so :)
@chicago90278
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed :)
@tlj3399
4 жыл бұрын
If you buy a new engine have it overhauled, if you buy a old(pre 1990’s I’ve been told) have it rebuilt. Metallurgy has come a long way in 30 years and they are able to do a much better job on parr’s now.
@eparock
Жыл бұрын
heh well most parts come from china and they use sub par metal compared to the metal used by old school usa manufacturers. the big difference today is not the metal but the CNC machines used to make the parts creating a better, tighter, more exacting fit of the parts.
@andrewherrboldt5437
7 жыл бұрын
They done this with car engines forever mostly very common ones like in the 50's 60's the did it with ford flatheads and from the 80's to present the do it with chevy 350 small blocks but all the parts had to meet factory specs is this the same with Aircraft engines?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
The factory specifies a certain range that the part's tolerances may be within, including a smaller range that is exactly how they left the factory, which would constitute a ""factory quality" overhaul. Great question!
@wareairaviationservicesllc4933
4 жыл бұрын
No sure I agree with your theory here. One difference you failed to mention is the Overhauled engine is rebuilt at OVERAHUL limits, and the Zero time engine is rebuilt to NEW limits. Also the NEW engine called a REMANUFACTURED engine from the factory will come with a better warranty.
@acsekify
7 жыл бұрын
Could you tell me the name of the outro music? I've heard it on multiple channels now, so I believe it's from the YT audio library but just simply cannot find it. I'd highly appreciate it!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's called Newsroom. No worries :)
@MichaelCarrPilot
7 жыл бұрын
I didn't quite understand your talk on the TBO? A manufacturer scheme? So are you saying they WANT you to fly past TBO to keep getting business as an oil manufacture would suggest changing oil every 3,000 miles?
@FlightX101
7 жыл бұрын
Michael Carr they didn't say that..
@MichaelCarrPilot
7 жыл бұрын
FlightX101 right but I'm still trying to figure out what he meant.
@NFvidoJagg2
7 жыл бұрын
Basicly TBO is the suggested average time a properly maintained engine should be able to go between overhauls. When you take an aircraft in for it's annual or hour based inspections the AME will look over the engine to determine whether it needs any repairs or an overhaul. If you keep the engine well maintained it may not need an overhaul for up to hundred, or even a thousand hour past TBO TL;DR If the engine is at or nearing TBO and the AME says it doesn't need an overhaul yet then it's still safe to fly. TBO is just a best guess.
@MichaelCarrPilot
7 жыл бұрын
TheJagg2 I'm just hoping I can get several hundred more hours on my continental o- 300 engine past the TBO.
@rogervoss4877
7 жыл бұрын
FWIW - when it's nearing TBO isn't the best time to start a maint. plan that can tell you the likelihood of lasting extra hours. History over time helps the most, along with lack of abuse & good rep. for the particular model. Things to check/look for with ANY gas engine are: Compression test results (best with HISTORY, but definitive if something notably off), followed by Leakdown test (if compression test yields questions, this helps answer them) and oil pressure (need a HISTORY again). Oil pressure in particular needs a history, knowing what normally shows (and maybe an old precision gauge check) vs. any current changes. By the time that shows a drop, it's pretty much guaranteed it's time for the overhaul.
@radioace318la
3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea. I thought I was purchasing a brand spanking new engine. I mean not a single part of this engine has ever seen the sky.
@Michelle2A
2 жыл бұрын
When you mentioned "junk bonds" I think you meant to say "mutual funds".
@gendaminoru3195
7 жыл бұрын
AND,........ many Lycomings out there are not getting more than 1/4 of the way to TBO before needing a top end overhaul. Of course there's no accounting for abuse by other owners parts getting put into your engine. I'd rather take mine to a reputable shop that uses factory new parts in it's overhaul and has techs with expertise on the specific model. Or forget about recips altogether - different set of risk elements, but a lot lower probability of a failure. Regardless, don't slam throttles around and abuse the temp limits and it shouldn't be that bad.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Good points. Curious if you have a link for any of that number. I'm not being a troll, I'm just curious. I would love to take a look at them.
@Draconisrex1
4 жыл бұрын
Did you take statistics? Because while I'm not a statistics major (I'm a retired CPA), I took statistics through graduate school. So what I'm seeing is a huge, and very common, mistake. An engine is not like a bond-fund where failure of part means the fund gets stronger and losses are minimized via spreading risk. An engine a failure can be deadly as it is an interdependent system. So with an engine, the probability of failure is dependent on the weakest link of a critical component. To make a simple example, let's say you have 6 MTBF 5000 hour cylinder assemblies and a MTBF 500 hour crankshaft, what you have is a 500 hour MTBF engine not a 4357 hour MTBF engine. What you did was common mistake as probabilities are not additive or proper to average in your example. And, like I said, it's a very, very common mistake because, strangely enough, while the math of statistics is easy, the concepts are frequently counter-intuitive.
@patriotsfan1236
6 жыл бұрын
I would just buy a new io550B from tcm if I was going to buy one. Only about 4k more over a remanufactured. And every single part is brand new.
@OfficialUSKRprogram
2 жыл бұрын
I know this video is meant to make me feel like an idiot and a stain on the planet, and that it's meant to promote engine "rebuild" instead of engine overhaul, however I'm very thankful that videos like these are made, I'd rather have these scumbags try to convince me that their scheme is a good idea, as opposed to them doing it behind my back to save a few dollars, when I pay for an overhaul. Thank you, for trying to scam me honestly.
@danielnaranjo953
5 жыл бұрын
why 15k and up? why is it so expensive vs a car or truck engine rebuild.
@eparock
Жыл бұрын
i find it strange that airplane engines are so expensive compared to motorcycle and car engines considering they are essentially the same thing. makes me think they are ripping airplane owners off. those old continental engines were actually tractor engines and yet they charge way more for fixing the "airplane" engines than they do tractor engines. heck we rebuilt car engines in high school shop class! i have been wanting to get into piloting and thinking of getting an old ercoupe and if i do and it needs engine work i am pretty sure i could rebuild it myself for the cost of the parts. it is not like a combustion engine is difficult to work on, or a carburetor is difficult to rebuild... having worked on old cars my entire life i think i could do it no problem.
@shaunski1990
7 жыл бұрын
Short sweet and informative. Something I can send to my non flying buddies to understand my moans about plane maintenance 👍
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Yes! That's always my goal! To get these videos outside the community :)
@thexmodz10
7 жыл бұрын
Whats the song at 3:25
@gendaminoru3195
3 жыл бұрын
$8/hr??????? so much for high school math hu I would point out to you another aspect of the manufacturer's "scheme" regrading overhaul intervals. And that is the performance delta from newly run in specs. As for fleet reliability, just purchase an aircraft who's engine has incorporated all the engine OEM's SB's. No doubt you have heard of monitoring compression for each cylinder, and for that matter temps for each cylinder. Next time you depart places like Big Bear Lake in your Cessna and it doesn't seem to want to get airborne or climb much after that, you'll wish yo had monitored these things, which do go south shortly after established TBOs. So that 172 isn't making 180hp anymore at sea level, more like 150 something and with density altitude you are going to notice. So maybe best to divide the cost by the TBO hours to be assured of making required power. Oh yeah, and certain engines are notorious for not making TBO and require a budget for a top end overhaul between complete overhauls. We agree that we hate Lycoming and Continental for this - especially those of us who baby our engines to stretch the time out.
@stealhty1
7 жыл бұрын
So if a new unit can't be afford the best way is overhaul
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
The overhaul usually ends up being significantly cheaper, and can sometime yield a more reliable engine than one that just left the factory floor, interestingly enough.
@danfly87
6 жыл бұрын
if everybody overhauls, there will be a point that you can’t get more of it because all the parts have been used already several times. Somebody (not me) has to get new engines xD
@FriendlySkiesFilm
6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha well said!! XD
@mytech6779
6 жыл бұрын
What you are calling rebuilt is more correctly called remanufactured. Overhaul is more of a slang term for freshening up non-certified stuff like cars and generally involves what you described, most new parts in an overhaul are seals and such. Overhauls are done when a machine is old and weathered(leaking oil etc) or of unknown condition(eg found in a junkyard) but not really mechanically worn out. A rebuild is like an overhaul taken to the extreme(many overhauls turn into rebuilds upon inspection), and a rebuild generally involves machining the worn out of shape areas like cylinders and crank bearings, as well as installing new pistons and bearing inserts (to match the newly machined surfaces) and new critical fasteners. Unlike re-manufacturing all the parts are either from the original serial number or are new. The other major difference is that remanufactured engines are processed on an assembly line, in cars the rebuilt engine can be blueprinted but the assembly line will install any part that is technically within tolerance. (Certified aircraft engines likely use some parts- tolerance binning to avoid extreme tolerance stack so are not as bad as car engines in this regard.) Blueprinting is measuring parts and matching tolerances to avoid tolerance stacking issues. Commonly used for competition engines. For example in a multi cylinder engines cylinder #1 may be machined .001 larger than #2 while new piston A is manufactured .002 smaller than piston B, all of these are individually within manufacturing tolerance but if you put A into #1 and B into #2 then cylinder #1 will have .003 more clearance than cylinder #2. .003 is quite a difference when the ideal gap may be only .004; and this can significantly effect performance and cause uneven wear, and in the case of cylinder clearance increase oil burn or oil contamination from blow by and carbon gunk that fouls the rings.
@briantii
7 жыл бұрын
Costs upwards of $15,000? Might want to double that unless you fly a Cessna 150, or are happy with a "budget" overhaul.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
$30,000 is upwards of $15,000 ;)
@briantii
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes it is... but as someone who helped buy a factory reman Continental in 2016... $15k feels like a large under-estimation of the real costs of these engines. Lycoming's weren't really cheaper either.... sadly. Love your videos sir!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, mate :)
@BrianOgilvie79
7 жыл бұрын
i dont know where you get your figures from.....15k as an average is not typical. $8/hr is low figure.....depends on how much time you have until TBO when you purchase the plane. What you are describing is a factory new overhaul .. not a typical overhaul process.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
1. My own personal factory rebuild invoice. 2. The video title says $20,000. 3. $15k/2000hrs = $7.5/hr. $20k/2000hrs = $10/hr. 4. The aircraft should be properly reduced in price at the time of purchase based on hrs SMOH. 5. That's why the video presents "factory rebuilt engine" at 0:38 and 0:58. 6. See above. Some days I'm sorry that I'm an incredibly obsessive engineering type too...
@BrianOgilvie79
7 жыл бұрын
The way you presented it, was not very clear. I am very familiar with aircraft operating costs and how the numbers are calculated. I was really trying to say, you should be more clear in your example and not assume so much...because the math you are showing is very "ideal" and those numbers will be higher or lower even on the same lane and engine type, but different owners or hours....etc you are leading the novice viewer down a rosy path of un realistic cost figures.
@boogeymandrawspoyax2843
7 жыл бұрын
hi its me again... is it normal to feel so tired after a flight..its my 4th hour of flying still..
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
YES 100% It's completely exhausting unless you're in practice, and then it's still bad sometimes.
@boogeymandrawspoyax2843
7 жыл бұрын
+Friendly Skies Film will it go away after a while..or will the body adjust
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
hm... not sure. I think it's mostly gone by the time of your exam. The worst is your solo cross country. I would literally just collapse on a couch in the FBO afterwards, sometimes.
@letstradetogether2897
4 жыл бұрын
Press X to doubt 🤔
@Jebola
7 жыл бұрын
What app do you use for charts?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Foreflight! :D
@xXJ3rkNP0PXx
7 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on how you edited this video ?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
If you really want to experience all my pain, then sure ;)
@xXJ3rkNP0PXx
7 жыл бұрын
Friendly Skies Film thank you !!! Your edits are amazing
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Dario Almonte Thanks, mate :)
@caroltenge5147
7 жыл бұрын
overhauling an aircraft is the biggest ripoff in the world.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
Well, I can't really say that unless I saw the books at the overhaul shop, but it certainly is painful and expensive...
@drezee7173
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos! Do you know what kind of paperwork/certifications are required if you want to put different pistons/cams into your engine at rebuild? For example, the io-360 engine in planes has compression of 8.5 or lower (depending on aircraft) whereas in helicopters, they use 10:1 compression pistons. Of course there are some risks to detonation, but since I've only seen 100ll available in the real wold (I am yet to encounter anything else than 100ll and jet-a) and autogas requires other stc's/rubber component replacement due to ethanol content, it seems to me that upping the compression at rebuild/overhaul is a good way to increase economy and efficiency.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
It would either have to be re-certified as an experimental aircraft, with an experimental engine (get ready for your insurance bill), or the parts would already have had to be STCed (supplemental type certificate) and on record with the FAA, then it's very easy.
@BeyBoy17
5 жыл бұрын
It seems rediculous to suggest rebuilding an engine results in a better engine than overhauling it simply because the parts are mixed with other parts and the bad ones “weeded out”. I’m assuming there must be other big differences between rebuilding and overhauling. If you overhaul an engine you should be able to weed out the bad parts just as well as in the overhaul process since in both cases you’d be tearing down the engine and inspecting parts. By logging and reviewing the data you would have the same positive effect of getting rid of bad parts so I’m not sure what the point of mixing the parts is. Also, after an engine has been on the market for a while most failures are probably caused by wear and tear, not by manufacturing defects. The wear and tear should be caught in the inspection stage and the manufacture defected parts could be identified simply by logging information and then reviewing data and knowing what parts are expected to fail as I mentioned above,
@DasEtwas
7 жыл бұрын
but if they throw away the bad parts, they wont have enough parts to make the same amount of engines again..?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
It's the factory doing the rebuild, so they just manufacture new parts to replace the old, which are hopefully manufactured with better tolerances thanks to today's equipment.
@aakburns
7 жыл бұрын
#universalenginecare
@linusbergstrom6137
7 жыл бұрын
Still wouldn´t the engine last as long as it´s weakest part?
@DrewLSsix
7 жыл бұрын
Mavez. yes, but the weakest parts are being weeded out with every rebuild.
@aaronmichaelsimpson1
5 жыл бұрын
Depends on the part, if it is a spark plug, you loose some power, but it will still fly.
@elcidS15
6 жыл бұрын
Too bad buying a new one is so ridiculous.
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
7 жыл бұрын
I'd call a remanu a 20-time.
@r3poman671
7 жыл бұрын
So basically, don't overhaul it until it is absolutely necessary?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
I mean, most people would agree with that, but it wasn't necessarily the point of this video. It was more about the process.
@scottfranco1962
6 жыл бұрын
You mean after it makes a loud noise and stops running? I would say yes...
@badsanta69
7 жыл бұрын
Until you get an a hole mechanic.
@johnnyllooddte3415
7 жыл бұрын
probability always gets you 100% to the scene of the accident
@bluemarshall6180
2 жыл бұрын
Schemes in general aviation.
@toacsstudiofamilymedicin
7 жыл бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻 mate great video and if you got time please can you reply me on your fb page. Thankyou
@FriendlySkiesFilm
7 жыл бұрын
I'll head over there and check it out in a minute!
@krashmaster81
7 жыл бұрын
This was an informative and entertaining video. However I feel like you may have missed out on a few important details that might skew a viewers perception of Overhaul vs Factory Rebuilt. I think it's important that everyone understands in both cases, ALL of the consumable wear items are replaced (bearings, rings valve guides etc) and components are inspected very carefully and deemed to be within limits. Components such as crankcase and crankshaft will be machined to remove imperfections etc. There's a lot more to it than just taking the engine apart and putting it back together. This is not an ad for Western Skyways, but they do have an excellent description of what their overhaul includes. www.westernskyways.com/_IO-360/
@DeadeyeLefty
7 жыл бұрын
I was going to post essentially the same thing but figured I'd check first to see if someone beat me to it. That's why we say that the single most dangerous thing in aviation is a pilot with a wrench :)
@AlexandarHullRichter
6 жыл бұрын
Why do airplane engines have to be overhauled so frequently? Overhauling your engine 2000 hours is approximately the equivalent of Overhauling your car's engine every 60,000-70,000 miles. This seems weird to me because most car engines will run at least three times that time without ever breaking down.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
6 жыл бұрын
It's because they have to be light weight, making them more susceptible to metal fatigue, and because they run at higher continuous power settings. Most car engines will generate maximum power around 4,000rpm, but you seldom run them at maximum power. Airplane engines, on the other hand might develops maximum power at 2,600rpm, and run at 2,500rpm in cruise. Excellent question, btw!!
@singleproppilot
4 жыл бұрын
Also, an airplane doesn’t cruise at 40 - 80 miles per hour like a car does. If your airplane flies at an average 150 mph, you’ll fly 300,000 miles in 2000 hours. Pretty amazing when you consider that back in the days when these engines were designed, a really, really good car would barely get you to 100,000 miles. Automobiles have improved, of course, but aircraft are still way ahead in reliability.
@AlexandarHullRichter
4 жыл бұрын
@Jimmy pls re-read my comment.
@faainspector9699
6 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that a factory overhauled engine comes with a zero time logbook and a warranty..
@FriendlySkiesFilm
6 жыл бұрын
I think I got the 0 time aspect at the 1:40 mark, but I didn't know about the warranty. Honestly, after all the lawsuits in the 80's, I wouldn't have expected any part of an airplane to come with a warranty!
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