One huge advantage that I see with this is the ease with which you can unload your muzzle loaded weapon if need be. Great job Mr. Canterbury, as usual. Thanks for all that you do for the community.
@pinocchiocozad1222
9 жыл бұрын
.72 is 12gauge (with modified choke, .69 for patched ball) and around 90 grains. -- since noone else has answered.
@SirThunderPants
10 жыл бұрын
Dave - Several times now I've thought that I have learned all that I can from you. Then you go and teach me something I never knew existed. It is really surprising to me, how much information you have to offer. Thank you sir.
@guskoerner75
7 жыл бұрын
To help you in your calculations there are 7000 grains in a pound. If you shoot 70 grain loads, you'll get about 100 shots. You'd get exactly 100 with no waste.
@NomadShadow1
11 жыл бұрын
Dave, great idea. Have you considered making the thing a couple of inches longer (the full length of the chamber) so you could load it like a shotshell outside the firearm (removing the need for a long ramrod)? Seems to me like it would be a bit less complicated that way
@brandonbowerstx
3 жыл бұрын
8 years later and still very applicable.
@hunter62786
11 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a video where you demonstrate how to load different types of loads. I'm particularly interested in learning about buckshot, buck and ball, and slug loads. A loading chart similar to a reloading manual that lists powder and shot measurements would also be useful.
@dustinmcpherson6640
11 жыл бұрын
just a little tip for pyrodex, I use a clear ketchup bottle with a cone top like you'd see at a restaurant and you can give it a couple little squeezes and it comes out alot nicer. there only like a buck at walmart for 2 of them and they work great for me
@11thganter
11 жыл бұрын
Love it. I work for Winchester and have personally made millions of 209 primers. I appreciate your videos and hope you keep them coming. At work we are cranking out ammo as fast as we can, so hopefully the shortage won't last.
@adameater
11 жыл бұрын
Dave proves again why this is my favorite self-reliance/primitive skills KZitem channel!
@dracobushcraft3523
11 жыл бұрын
Now that is one cool idea. Your point of versatility is really relevant right now. I have a 50 cal muzzle loader but having the ability to shoot shot is really worth while.
@GunsAreEssential1975
11 жыл бұрын
This is a great idea! Thanks for the video as always Dave! I never knew why I should spend my money on this when I could just reload a shotgun shell until now. The " no tools required" reload makes all the difference in the world! Just when I thought the single shot 12 ga. couldn't get any better..
@ringokidd387
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks David Canterbury
@janrobertbos
2 жыл бұрын
...I thought this was brilliant when I first watched it........................and I still think it is bloody brilliant........thanks Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!
@RamblinAround
11 жыл бұрын
Excellent idea Dave, looks like it works really well.
@JayDubz425
11 жыл бұрын
Very cool Dave!! I've been loading my H&R single 12 with spent shotshells and even the all brass shells like you showed in other videos. I'm definitely going I have to get this adapter.
@MikeJamesMedia
11 жыл бұрын
Excellent, Dave! Thank you so much for your continued work on these useful adapters. Options are good.
@SoloCamXTOutdoors
11 жыл бұрын
That is pretty slick... Got to love the 12 gauge... That is a great back up kit.. Love it
@erikcrytzer5328
11 жыл бұрын
I just got through test firing one of the adapters today. Works great, loaded with suggested powder charge, wax paper wadding and birdshot along with a few loads of buckshot (#4s and some .45 round balls)
@akn7able
11 жыл бұрын
I'm sure yall know this but I thought I would pass it along I live on the eastern shore of N.C it's humid as all get out in the summer and I keep my powder in a powder horn I put a few grains of rice in the horn to help cut down on my powder clumping up it doesn't get rid of the problem but it dose help. as always Dave love the videos
@robertlundquist5450
11 жыл бұрын
Excellent timing on the video. Just bought a NEF single shot 12 ga with modified, I say again, modified choke and have ordered the adapter. Hope to play with it next weekend. Thanks!
@ewanhamilton1012
10 жыл бұрын
Would you happen to know if this is still safe to use in a 3 and 1/2 inch chamber? I have a NEF Pardner and would love to have one of these. But it doesn't specify on the Short Lane website if it's safe with 3 1/2. Some of them say only 2 3/4 or 3, but the 12 gauge doesn't say either way.
@joannevandegrift813
9 жыл бұрын
You CAN shoot slugs out of a full choke. Accuracy MAY be SLIGHTLY affected depending on your individual gun, but there is zero danger involved. The hot lead squeezes right out of the end of the barrel with zero problems whatsoever. I have done it many many times and I know older men who have done it for years and years with no problems. One of the biggest misconceptions I hear about shotguns/choke sizes is that it is dangerous to shoot slugs out of a full choke. People say that you could blow the muzzle apart, or blow the interchangable chokes out of your gun if you have those, or that your gun could just blow up in your face. Completely ridiculous. IT IS PERFECTLY SAFE TO SHOOT SLUGS OUT OF A FULL CHOKE. Please note that i have no experience with shooting Powerbelts or any type of solid copper slugs out of a full choke. I am talking about lead foster-style slugs ie. Remington Sluggers.
@sargefaria
11 жыл бұрын
I dont wanna be unprofessional and cuss or anything........but that Sir, is why you are the fn man!!!! Love it and getting one for sure. Never cease to amaze me brother, never!
@Usushdhgsgd
8 жыл бұрын
The website says to max load this adapter with only 80 grains. Is this a misprint or did the specs change?
@johnmelland2093
7 жыл бұрын
A car radio antenna works for ram rod and emergency cleaning rod. I've done it before! Great shotgun adapter too!!!!!! Awesome video!
@robertengland8769
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for these educational videos. Goes to show I don't know everything about firearms.
@darrellapthorpe9550
8 жыл бұрын
Can 2 muzzle loader adapters be used together in a double barrell shotgun.
@jhippl
11 жыл бұрын
a small folding tent pole makes a great ram rod they store really easy in your shooting bag, you can find them all the time on ripped tents at yard sales/thrift stores any word on making an adapter for an intermediate rifle round like 223 or 7.62x39
@deerslayer303B
9 жыл бұрын
What choke do I need again?? HAHA Seriously though, isn't it .690" Roundball for a 12 Ga.? I have a H&R Single Barrel with a FULL choke that I will get this adapter for and shoot shot. Thanks for the video that product is AWESOME.
@nickglass12
11 жыл бұрын
The choke is at the end. Some shotguns are threaded on the end & you can screw in different chokes. I keep the different chokes in the stock like some people store extra shells in the stock.
@NomadShadow1
11 жыл бұрын
The problem with a shotshell like you said is you need a tool to pop the primer out. I have been contemplating using a full brass shell (the kind like they use for cowboy action shooting) and enlarging the primer pocket a bit to remove the need for the primer tool. I love your videos man, lotsa good info in that noggin of yours :-)
@jamesteffertiller7813
9 жыл бұрын
With a hangfire keep the weapon pointed downrange for at least 10 seconds to avoid a "cookoff" (delayed ignition). I had this happen with a 45/70. The shell went off 7 seconds after I pulled the trigger. Had I ejected it right after misfire it would have detonated in my face.
@Cornbread_1776
11 жыл бұрын
oh man, seeing that single shot pardner again, i grew up slingin lead down range out of a pardner exactly like that, that gun can take a beating and throw lead before the barrel warps, good choice Dave !
@GoGeronimo
11 жыл бұрын
That is an awesome idea. I have one question. Will it come in 20 gauge as well?
@maritimespook
11 жыл бұрын
down and dirty piece of kit Dave thanx for sharing brother !
@frankiepizzurro
2 жыл бұрын
I really want one of these singe shot 12g but I already have a maverick 88. It has a birdshead grip and it’s pretty cool. Just got it back from the evidence vault😂
@popswrench2
11 жыл бұрын
owning several H&R's and a rossi , and having shot slugs i FULLY AGREE with your repeated "MODIFIED CHOKE" . slugs or similar deform too much to be accurate . even with bead only sight , my 20ga is quite accurate to 40yd easily . i havent tried black powder yet , but certainly will be . the Oring is excellent idear to keep a slight seal and prevent blowback .
@SwampRatProductions
11 жыл бұрын
Seems LA got lucky....our shelves are fully stocked with all ammo. Slight price increase and purchase limit but almost no price change. Awesome product !
@CM102888
11 жыл бұрын
Can you use black powder pellets or do you have to use loose powder?
@terryqueen3233
2 жыл бұрын
Under this was about eight years ago maybe you'll read it and maybe you won't. I've tried the other way that you showed by cutting the plastic off of the brass on the shotgun shell and it works like a charm but you are right about trying to get the primer out. It seems to me that using the adapter that you're using would be much faster loading so as soon as I can I'm going to get me one of those and try it. Thanks Dave you sure have showed me a whole lot about 12 gauge shotguns. I do have one question I hope you might be able to answer. The shotgun that I have is a 1900 old Iver Johnson. I did not know about the modified choke or full choke when I got this moons and moons ago. But I have shot slugs through this with no problem and it says full choke on the barrel period why am I able to do that? Could it be that it's so old and been shot so many times that the full choke part is been blown out of it? I don't know maybe you can answer this question and if you can't that's okay anyway because I know I can shoot slugs out of it. I can also get a dime down the barrel and yet it says full choke. I don't know maybe you do. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry! P. S. I doubt I'll get an answer
@WWI1903A1
11 жыл бұрын
What is the life expectancy on the O-ring? Is it a 'standard' size which can readily, accurately, and efficiently be replaced at any local hardware store or is it a proprietary size/thickness?
@flamedrag18
11 жыл бұрын
if you're using the bore size to figure out how much powder you're using, it's about 100 shots per pound of powder. 7000 grains in a pound, 70-72 grains of powder as per bore size of .729 means 97-100 loads.
@MrLtcslick
2 жыл бұрын
Just ordered me one of those adapters for the old H&R.
@buffalo1a1
11 жыл бұрын
Hey dave, Would you/could you make a video with a variety of different shot loads? also could you show a buckshot hunt? incase of a survival situation if slugs would not be available. thank you for everything you have been teaching and showing us.
@Vx777infonet
11 жыл бұрын
The point I am trying to make is on a cap, or flint lock the primer is loaded last. This may not be a problem with this setup as you state. The hammer may have a bar over firing pin, such as in fall saftey. Stiil it appears on almost every other muzzle loader the primer would not be active on loading. So again it may not be a problem but it an exception, if it is not a problem.
@acecamper
11 жыл бұрын
I've used some in .38 and 9mm and the pattern is wild at more than 10 feet. They're marketed for close range rodent or snake elimination. I didn't shoot enough to see any long term effects on my barrels. I would definitely NOT recommend pistol caliber shot shells for hunting our self defense. But they are fun so I would buy some if you're interested.
@nathanielrhill
11 жыл бұрын
Great idea Dave and i cannot wait to get my hands on one! Any chance i would be available in .20ga?
@ericjones3146
2 жыл бұрын
Do the instructions say whether you should load the 209 before or after the powder and shot? In another video by a different youtuber demonstrating this same device, he recommends loading the primer after the powder and shot has been loaded. I have always loaded the percussion cap after the powder and projectile have been loaded in my inline, as a safety precaution.
@bhill652
6 жыл бұрын
This is a very intersting product! I know you said that there is no danger of setting off the primer with the hammer down, but even so, is there any reason not to load the shot first with the adapter in place but no primer, and then open the action and insert the shotgun primer?
@davidlee8551
Жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thank you.
@arthuredwards8562
11 жыл бұрын
Dave I wish I had bet money with Critter or the other Pathfinders I know that you would have worked on this concept. We seem to have the some thought process, I have an old H&R huntsman in 12 ga and it just seems natural to make an inline breech plug adapter for the regular H&R/NEF shotgun. Whats cool is the forestock from the huntsman will fit a regular H&R giving you a collapsible cleaning/ram rod.
@leschapman6013
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent idea. Awesome vedios. Thank you sir and GOD Bless. 🙏👍😁🦌🦥
@1guyin10
11 жыл бұрын
If you want to do that then just buy some brass shell casings. You could also use this adaptor that Dave is showing and roll your own "cartidges" similar to the musket cartridges used in the Civil War. Just prime, rip the end off the paper catridge, dump the powder in and tamp the rest in behind it.
@Captain-Electro
11 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the possibility is of using shotgun brass but taking some sandpaper to the primer hole to make it easier for 209 primer removal and insertion. It certainly wouldn't be as strong as a milled out piece of steel but a po boy might could use it a few times.
@WiggysWilderness
11 жыл бұрын
Hey now, that's not the same shotgun as last time. Where's that one with the brass tacks on it and stuff?
@aarontolleflatlander6393
11 жыл бұрын
knowledge is power. good job Dave pretty cool
@jon_williams_music
6 жыл бұрын
How would I purchase this item any certain website
@1guyin10
11 жыл бұрын
The H&R single shots do have a transfer bar trigger so it is safe until you draw the hammer back.
@ronalddunne3413
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Why havent I heard of this before? So happens I've got an OLD break-open 12ga that belonged to my Grampa.. I wouldnt trust it with anything but black powder- something like this might just work and put the old thunder-boomer back into service... Just recalled- in my "stuff" there is a round-ball mould for .69 cal balls. I wonder if these would be safe, being UNDER 12 ga -(.72 cal) size?
@Vx777infonet
11 жыл бұрын
I agree with comments load primer at end of loading. I am sure it was just an oversite or just to show what is happening but agian maybe not, but does not the shell casing eject? If it does it may be hard to load primer at end because would that not disturb packing of shot?
@kullcraven
11 жыл бұрын
I just checked them out, they are a rifeld barrel, so would be basically a pistol barrel inside your 12 ga. So you say they are 8 inch long, so would be a 8" pistol barrel so good at like 40 yards kinda thing eh? so the purpose is the versatility of using the ammo you can find? They look like they are like 4 inchs, or are they 8". Im thinking i may purchase one hmm thinking rifled sites may work well if adapted to fit.
@troybelanger974
2 жыл бұрын
Most people use black powder for deer hunting. Can you provide any data/information for shooting a rifled slug out of a 20 or 12 gauge shotgun? Thanks.
@ki4clz
11 жыл бұрын
please reiterate the safety issues with black poweder, if there is an "air gap" between primer and charge or charge and load this can lead to excessive expansion and possible breach explosion, this is why proper seating and sturdy ram rod use are essential to sucessful loads minor point but worth pointing out...
@dustinperry7146
11 жыл бұрын
If using a setup such as that, is it legal to use during black powder season? I can see where you might have to prove to the DNR that it is indeed black powder, just the appearance of the gun would flag some folks. Also will all of the adaptors work with double barrels as well? Thanks.
@bigdjackdaniels
11 жыл бұрын
A pound of powder is 7000 grains, so you'll get 70 rounds out of a pound if you load 100 grains per round. Works out to 15 cents per round at $11 per pound.
@byronmiller807
5 жыл бұрын
Big fan love your vids their always helpful and easy to understand really appreciate the variation of information especially for the budget minded Thank you.
@markbrown7449
2 жыл бұрын
Miss you not being around dave
@JohnRobertson22
11 жыл бұрын
if you continue shooting 100 grain shots, you get 70 shots to the pound aprox. and if you decrease it to 70 grain, you will get 100 aprox. this is based on research telling me that the avg. pound of powder has aproximatly 7000 grains of powder.
@nacholibre1962
10 жыл бұрын
10:46 Just a safety point. With a hang fire, it's a good idea to wait 30 seconds or so with the firearm pointing in a safe direction before opening it up.
@Vx777infonet
11 жыл бұрын
Let me restate my question for Dave or anyone else. The HR partner ejects shells when you open it right? So if you opened it with a muzzle load it would mess packing? Therefore the primer should be put in first? But as said by someone it seems the primer should be put in last for saftey..... Is this a problem?
@jimhubertjr
11 жыл бұрын
ok well I probably will ask a question that's been asked 100 times but how would you go from full choke to modified or no choke I have a western field 3" full by Montgomery ward it is old but shoots and looks brand new just wondering if choke is at end of barrel?
@SurviveTribe
11 жыл бұрын
And when is the adapter coming out? All I can find is the BLACK OUT. Thank you for your time, ideas, and service.
@mauserman67
11 жыл бұрын
I prefer to use blackpowder because pyrodex is inconsistent and way more corrosive than BP. itseems you could substitute smokeless instead.
@KJRivera1
11 жыл бұрын
i bet the wax paper makes a good moister barrier too. pure genius
@Maddawwg45
11 жыл бұрын
this powder does not even come close to the chamber preasures that is in modern smokless powder in which this gun is designed for that's why it has an O ring but even with out it im thinking the lockup on this gun is still tight enough to not worry about blowback especially from black powder or pyrodex
@DFX2KX
11 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's why I'm a muzzle-loader guy. Never ended up getting a modern firearm, and with ammunition shortages and whatnot, it's quickly becoming a pointless endeavor. at least with my cap and ball I can make two of the three components I need to shoot. (just need a crucible and mold for the lead, and to make a nice ball mill for the powder) caps are cheap, and I might even see how hard it would be to make them, as well.
@roho1967
10 жыл бұрын
Hey Dave, I just bought a 209 muzzleloader adaptor from you all, and this is all new for me, but I'm anxious to get started. I'm going to start out easy, and learn the proper way of doing it, before I try a round ball, and I know you don't recommend it but, I was wondering, how many grains of powder do you use for your 12 gauge round ball?? I've been enjoying your videos ever since the beginning, keep em coming.
@BruceNitroxpro
11 жыл бұрын
I'll be heading out to Cabela's in Hamburg, PA, to see what can be done about getting a nice single barreled, MODIFIED CHOKE, 12 G. shotgun. Only problem? I live in NJ. The land of limited opportunity... where you can't even own a slingshot.
@acecamper
11 жыл бұрын
What kind of choke? lol I will definitely be picking one of these up to use in the H&R 12 gauge I bought about a year ago on your recommendation. I already have everything else I need because I've been reloading high brass since I saw the long hunter video. Your 12 gauge videos are some of the most valuable to me, and yes I have a modified choke. Thanks so much Dave
@pigpeltTV
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for some awesome info! Much love from Sweden !
@peterhooper3391
5 жыл бұрын
Why not the Improved Cylinder choke as well? It would seem any choke equal to modified or less "chokey" would work. Also, though you mention here shooting a wide variety of optional projectiles, the product web page notes that the muzzle-loading adapter is for shot rounds only. Is that for liability reasons? (Buckshot is fine with me.)
@DavidCanterbury
5 жыл бұрын
No many shortties made in that choke anymore
@BurningRiverBushcraft
11 жыл бұрын
How about a #11 musket cap adapter for a BP 12 gauge. If you can't find loaded shot shells, 209 primers or #11 caps, it's time to get primitive
@evildaddyz
11 жыл бұрын
Do one more video with this setup with leaf and maybe stones for shots Please, just want to see how awesome this could be :3
@TheCurrencyMan
11 жыл бұрын
Is that a modified chock or a full choke? :-)
@TheKodiak72
11 жыл бұрын
Fantastic product.
@kullcraven
11 жыл бұрын
Dave that is a very cool idea, love the design and the versatility. so you will be selling these on your site in the future, that is correct eh? Um you mentioned about a three step insert to shoot long rifle, 20ga and 44, um does that go the entire length of the barrel, to get accuracy? All sounds very amazing ideas bro. take care and appreciate a reply
@DIXIECONFEDERATEDAWG
11 жыл бұрын
what would be great is to just sell longer inserts that were like shot shells that you could preload and just put in over and over and not have to "muzzle load"
@darwinwhitt8546
2 жыл бұрын
I hope this is an active post because I need primers so I takenthem from shotshell.. is the powder in the shotshell I removed the primers from safe to use in my 50 cal inline ?? Should I use half the dram or grain?
@Hondo79
11 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks. You just never know.these days when u might need this........
@JonathanJONeill
8 жыл бұрын
Could you take pyrodex to a mortar and pestle to make it have a finer consistency? Or would that be too unsafe to do?
@GenScinmore
8 жыл бұрын
Dave!!!!
@aCycloneSteve
11 жыл бұрын
From reading the non-replies I assume no one here has an answer to the "I want to hunt deer, what size ball/bullet do I use" question I've read while going through all the comments. Has anyone found an answer?
@atomiccat2002
11 жыл бұрын
I already just reload Spent Shotgun shells with black powder, and bought some Full brass Shot shells and modified them to take 209 primers
@WapTek123
2 жыл бұрын
do a 1/16” pilot hole through a .74" diameter 18.8mm OD mild steel rod 1.55" long to match a standard Wad size in a 1.75" hull & maybe 1/4 drill it out ONLY IF needed BUT many sources only have rim diameter .875" bars & so this product exists
@firemanwill100
11 жыл бұрын
Dave that is so awesome!!!!
@dacalessio
11 жыл бұрын
Interesting concept, the only thing I need to find out is if It would count as a muzzleloader under NJ hunting law with the adepter in it. Seeing as I'm not in a free state Its probably gonna be no.
@Msentinal
11 жыл бұрын
7000 grains in a pound. about a 100 grains with your measure 70 shots. ish. Love the videos.
@MatteoSixTwentySeven
11 жыл бұрын
That is excellent! Cooler than the invention of sliced bread. I know I'll be getting at least 2 of them!!!
@slipmud84
11 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch these videos I wish I hadn't sold my single shot 12ga.
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