It is crazy how this thing is a lot more powerful than the UDM Pro Max while costing half the price. It infuriates me that businesses still put 1999 Gigabit Ethernet on higher end gear. Our wired connections are now bottlenecking our wifi 7 connections. 2.5Gbps should be the bare minimum on any networking gear going forward.
@udirt
3 ай бұрын
to be fair, 1999 gigabit was most likely fibre and a full-length syskonnect adapter.
@Alan.livingston
3 ай бұрын
Vendors always doin the bare minimum they think people will accept.
@Xondan
3 ай бұрын
You are forgetting that you are not buying only the hardware with the UDM. You are also buying the Software and the UX. That also cost money to develop. Yes, i find my UDM Pro SE lacking in Some Points as only 2.5GBit RJ45 LAN Port, would have loved 10 Gbit, so have to fallback to SFP+, 1 Sata drive only. But that was never the point of the machine. I'm more than happy with its capabilities and the price is more than just. Also my greatest complain the lack of snat /dnat just got resolved.
@marcogenovesi8570
3 ай бұрын
but you can get RGB switches from them, they are clearly better right
@gowinfanless
3 ай бұрын
@@Alan.livingston But,will people really accept it?
@illstateofmind
3 ай бұрын
Wow, I bought this 2 months ago, and now there's a video for it.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
Yea. Baby STH came :-/
@illstateofmind
3 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideoI get giddy every time I see a new upload from you.
@ttww1590
Ай бұрын
Top or bottom mount fan on a rack mount device is a huge red flag, and it's concerning you gloss over it. Worse you show them rack mounted with the top unit having the fan blocked by the lower unit.
@pizzaspider
21 күн бұрын
do you cry when you grab a fork to eat hotel cereal instead of getting up from the table you picked to sit at to get yourself a spoon?
@whatever63644
20 күн бұрын
@@pizzaspidertf is wrong with you
@pizzaspider
20 күн бұрын
@@whatever63644 not enough to give this any kind of real response
@timradde4328
16 күн бұрын
@@pizzaspider Tell us you're an idiot, without telling us.
Look neat. Having a dual power source function would be cool feature to add. Even better would be PoE power support. I am surprised they didn't make the chassis out of extruded aluminum.
@thetux0815
3 ай бұрын
Would be nice to have 2 of them in a 1U chassis (probably without the internal PSU)
@stevekristoff4365
3 ай бұрын
just a longer case would be needed and a 'proper' cooling design to have the fans in the back so they're not blocked when the unit is mounted. But yes two in 1U would be nice for a small redundant build.
@JFlogerzi
3 ай бұрын
Plex Transcoding would be my only concern. And the lack of cheap network rack depth SATA expansion bays.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
Plex you would do on another machine, not this one.
@JFlogerzi
3 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo boo plus I am to invested in unifi ATM 😉
@BlueBearOne
2 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Indeed. I would love to see a video of what you think is a best buy and also a reasonable top end hardware for a Plex server (which would also be a NAS with maybe TrueNAS). I need to build one and run it for my home. Thanks!
@brainz-brainz
Ай бұрын
Whos bright idea was it to put a fan on the bottom of a rack mount chassis?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Ай бұрын
Not mine
@SeaJay_Oceans
3 ай бұрын
Sweet.... but never heard of them ...
@Galileocrafter
3 ай бұрын
Is there anything affordable out for those Atom P5000 / C5000 series CPUs ? Would love something like that for even higher performance and newer QAT.
@stevekristoff4365
3 ай бұрын
cute little system but with a fan on the BOTTOM they need their head examined. it's a rack mount unit so there is no way to get any air INTO the system when mounted. fan should be on the back. Also would really love to see a Xeon D series here for a firewall appliance (C3758R is just to slow for application inspection) and they need to fix ECC support.
@nathanabird
3 ай бұрын
I too am concerned there was nothing said about if having the fan on the bottom caused issues which I'm expecting it would
@magnawavezone
3 ай бұрын
...and no forced airflow inside the case. Can't imagine those 10G cages are going to cool properly at all with 2 or more 10GBase-T and no forced airflow. Seems like flipping the board upside down and some side to side airflow would be a much better design. [front to back better but side to side is fine for this low thermal load]
@headlibrarian1996
3 ай бұрын
@@magnawavezone The 10G ports are SFP+ so cooling assumes fiber not 10G-BaseT.
@headlibrarian1996
3 ай бұрын
I assume this box is powerful enough to do 2.5G IDS/IPS + firewall on one port at full line rate and support 10G on the LAN. Not powerful enough for 10G or multiple 2.5G on the WAN side most likely but broadband at that speed is hard to find in the US. Would make a nice front end for an internal Ubiquiti network running a virtualized controller. One of the posts on this video mentions what working ECC sticks they used.
@BoraHorzaGobuchul
3 ай бұрын
@@magnawavezoneor they could have added a big-a$$ heatsink in the back like mikrotik did, considering it has such low depth. Would've added costs but made it silent
@RemyL75
3 ай бұрын
This is the first time that I actually beat STH to finding and buying a product LOL. But yeah this one works great.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
Yea, a bit slow on this one. It was tested a few months ago and this video was actually recorded in May pre-baby STH.
@RemyL75
3 ай бұрын
I bought the fan less unit a few months ago and was thinking of getting a second one and literally stumbled across this one a few weeks ago and have had it for about a week now. The fan less one will now be my Truenas Scale test box with 4 drives using a 8087-to-SATA cable and a 4-bay enclosure. The 1U is my new pfsense box (fan less unit was the pfsense box, but all I had to do was backup from old and restore to the 1U and it worked without issues). Thank you for the recommendations.
@fumes007
3 ай бұрын
Link please? Looking to replace my protectli proxmox host
@arraybytes7214
3 ай бұрын
Same here, got mine in February. Have had issues with the SFP+ ports with DAC cables, could only get it working with fiber. Not sure if it is an issue with proxmox or not.
@0xKruzr
3 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo congrats!
@daninmanchester
3 ай бұрын
It's just a shame they don't do a slightly larger version that would allow a 3.5" drive. I could whack my 20TB drive in it and run it as a mini server with all my media , CCTV, etc, then cluster it.
@1armbiker
3 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for at work. Time to buy a dozen.
@marcogenovesi8570
3 ай бұрын
"I'll buy the whole stock"
@KiraSlith
19 күн бұрын
It's definitely an ideal rack Top Layer Device, but I have to wonder how they're managing it at under $400.
@Kapsi87
14 күн бұрын
@@KiraSlith Because there wont be any FW updates and vulnerabilities wont be closed?
@KiraSlith
14 күн бұрын
@@Kapsi87 Question, how often do we actually see hardware-level vulnerabilities? Just maintain your firewall software, smh.
@Kapsi87
14 күн бұрын
@@KiraSlith This was rather a question because I want to buy cheap China stuff aswell :)
@tactoad
3 ай бұрын
I got really excited when I saw the AST2400 chip onboard but too bad they dont use it as BMC. Its more useful then a console port.
@SeanHarlow
2 ай бұрын
Exactly what I thought! If it were properly set up as a BMC I'd be buying these by the dozen, without that it's an interesting machine but not anything I have a use for.
@userou-ig1ze
3 ай бұрын
The only thing it really needs is just a better cpu, with zenarmor you max it out pretty quickly
@concinnus
3 ай бұрын
Problem is, while the successor C5*** chips had higher performance, they also had equally higher prices and TDPs.
@dohmarau
3 ай бұрын
@@concinnus intel pro 155u/165u would be great alternative. lower tdp than this atom plus more performance
@concinnus
3 ай бұрын
@@dohmarau For home use, even a 12*5U chip is great (as long as you're not on an OS that has issues with E Cores) -- Protectli uses them. But for people who want Supermicro-features-but-cheaper, no.
@gowinfanless
3 ай бұрын
@@dohmarau Better to use 165U which is faster and easy to make a 1U solution
@dohmarau
3 ай бұрын
@@gowinfanless That was my conclusion too! 15w TDP standard, 28w peak, can be scaled down to 9w in BIOS, comes with 20 pcie lanes instead of 9... i hope your next 1 RU device has the 165u
@newstandardaccount
3 ай бұрын
These look to be pretty awesome but damn - I wish there was some type of distributor here in the US. On both Amazon and Aliexpress, you're looking at $40 - $50 for shipping.
@RLFWE1
3 ай бұрын
That SFF8087 port would make this unit pair nicely with ye olde HP microservers and allow them to be used as 4 bay SATA expansion boxes, bypassing their elderly motherboards.
@Wusel92
2 ай бұрын
That reminded me that I have one old N40L here, but just quickly brainstorming about that idea, how would you just let that thing run without the MB in it? Didn't come up with a quick idea right now.
@larsla
3 ай бұрын
I had to add a fan to the "fanless" version because it was very unstable otherwise. I DIYed a connector for the spare SATA power port and connected that to a fan speed controller and then on to a 140mm fan screwed into the heatsink fins. I 3d printed a new bottom cover with vent holes and have it standing on the side. Instead of 60C+ CPU temps I now see 40-45C and it hasn't crashed since. But with that and 32gb ECC memory and 2x2TB NVMes it runs Proxmox (after some NIC driver patching) fine with a virtualized router VM and some containers for services. Also added a 2.5" SATA drive for Proxmox backups and screwed that into the 3d printed bottom cover.
@intrax2tv
3 ай бұрын
So 'fanless' is FAKE... Nice setup!
@mikel2700
3 ай бұрын
did you follow a post for patching?
@gutschke
3 ай бұрын
There is a fan connector on the board. Why didn't you connect to that one instead?
@larsla
3 ай бұрын
@@mikel2700 It was somewhere on the ServeTheHome forum. I can't post links here but search for qotom-denverton-fanless-system-with-4-sfp and you should find the thread. I installed it as a DKMS module so that it stays even during kernel upgrades.
@hatbabe
3 ай бұрын
That's a little disappointing. More disappointing is that means their fanless isn't necessarily fanless, and evne ther rackmount, fan model isn't because that vent will just blow straight into the top of whatever is racked up underneath it. Guess it's time to get out some metal bits then a jigsaw before getting started with it.
@mys721tx
3 ай бұрын
It is really surprising that Atom has a built-in X553 NIC for the SFP+! I was doing napkin math and wondering how 4x PCIe 3.0 (~30Gbps) is going to work with 40Gbps there.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
That is what these are designed for. We have reviewed the C5000/P5000 series with built in 25GbE.
@vicbarbu
25 күн бұрын
that aside, the Unifi SFP+ DACs are in no way working for me. There's no error, the LEDs in front of the SFP+ port light up, but Unifi won't recognize it as being there, nor will `ifconfig` show anything aside from "no carrier"...
@MichaelGrnne
3 ай бұрын
Would the 12VDC work as redundancy? Try to switch off the AC while the 12VDC is on.
@saltlakrids
3 ай бұрын
That would be really interesting. I think it actually would. The 12V plug is on the motherboard itself, and it would just run parallel with the MeanWell PSU that is also plugged into the motherboard aswell. Current will flow through the path of least resistance. The voltages should not vary too much because that would wear out the PSUs
@VjSky
Ай бұрын
@@saltlakrids Just add diodes on both inputs to prevent backfeed
@realandrewhatfield
3 ай бұрын
Of course a later CPU might be nice, but the one piece missing is a real BMC. To put these anywhere, an out of band management interface would make this so competitive!
@throwaway3756
3 ай бұрын
I got one of these a few months ago. It's been a great little box as a firewall.
@superb3113
3 ай бұрын
What firewall software did you go with?
@throwaway3756
3 ай бұрын
@@superb3113 Opnsense. It's alright but I find the configuration to be unintuitive. Sometimes the rules don't apply the way that I feel like they should.
@nadtz
3 ай бұрын
I *just* bought myself a new router, if I had known about this I might have spent a little more and grabbed it instead. Heck I might get one anyway just because Qotom actually followed up with a rackmount version.
@1990Cookie
3 ай бұрын
Great, another one we cant ship to germany...
@matthiaslange392
3 ай бұрын
why not? Years ago i bought two quotom fanless units directly from quotom, paid with paypal. no problems.
@Phil-D83
3 ай бұрын
Order it without the psu.
@1990Cookie
3 ай бұрын
@@matthiaslange392 If I go to AliExpress or Amazon, athey say they cant ship to my country..
@1990Cookie
3 ай бұрын
@@Phil-D83 @matthiaslange392 If I go to AliExpress or Amazon, athey say they cant ship to my country..
@HiSk0L
3 ай бұрын
well thanks for finding out for me that I can't run to a SAS expander. would have loved that feature to make a small NAS box that connects to a large disk array.
@TheChadXperience909
3 ай бұрын
The fan in the bottom basically makes this a 2U; not a 1U. Maybe if it were in the front or side, but you're not going to be able to stack this unit and still have airflow. Edit: I guess, you could place it above your patch panel, which isn't very ideal, but at least you aren't wasting a blank. Also, it might make sense to mount upside down, and then you could place it below the patch panel. I guess, that's OK as a router/firewall, but not a VM host, and especially not a HA cluster.
@ArcherSeven
2 ай бұрын
I have one of these, and.... the only display output is vga. Know what I definitely don't have kicking around really anymore? VGA. So I tried putting an ssd with an opnsense install in it and.... didn't seem to work. So I'm guessing I need to mess with the bios, but.... QOTOM, can we please get displayport and/or a BMC/IPMI? I tried getting hooked up with a serial console and I get... something resembling the BIOS, but nothing I could actually interact with.
@ArcherSeven
2 ай бұрын
I should add, the fan input on the bottom is... definitely an interesting take, I guess. Would be nice if the airflow was front to back or similar so it doesn't suffocate when racked with other gear.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
Totally agree. The challenge they have is that there is no iGPU since it is a chip designed for firewall and storage. So the ASPEED add is for servers where VGA is 95%+ of the installed base.
@fabriglas
2 ай бұрын
Can i ask can you run this with linux instead of windows? Im intending to move away from windows as it getting too big brother on all they do.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
Yes. We showed this with Ubuntu and Proxmox VE
@Renderman-Official
3 ай бұрын
Excellent product! Hope they will produce a N100/N200/N300/N305 version of this, that would meet all my performance needs!
@gowinfanless
3 ай бұрын
We have made the 1U with Intel N100 and i3-N305 which be reviewed before
@Renderman-Official
3 ай бұрын
@@gowinfanless Excellent! I will go check those out. Thank you.
@InFeXIoUs1
3 ай бұрын
@@gowinfanlesslooks great. If only you ditched the 2 1 gig ports and made all 4 2.5g.
@pdesouza
2 ай бұрын
@@gowinfanless do you have a link? The n100 and i3-n305 don’t have QAT … how does that affect things?
@JeffreyPeckham_abic
2 күн бұрын
I have fallen in love with this machine. I just got one a few weeks ago and I'll be using it as my router with OPNsense in a VM. PCIe passthrough of the NICs just works, But, you can't passthrough the Intel Quick Assist to a VM, so if you want to use that it will have to be used from the bare metal OS. I got a mini rack to put this and a Mikrotik CRS310-8G+2S switch in. Even though the 2 NVMe slots are only Gen3x2, I like that I can put two drives in for some redundancy.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 күн бұрын
Yea. It is not perfect, but for the price it is very good and it can do a lot.
@flahiker
3 ай бұрын
how ironic, I was just looking at this system as I wanted the qotom unit with 4 10GBIT ports that you reviewed in Feb but in a 1U case. I am probably going to pick one up this week :)
@nitronaf
3 ай бұрын
i cant seem to get the sfp+ to work in 10gb in proxmox. just a warning since I did actually buy the qotom.
@fredbompard7097
19 күн бұрын
Hey guys!! @ServeTheHome Tank you for this review!! I wonder what do you think about the C3808 variant: 12 cores: 2.0Ghz, 12MB cache (instead of C3758R: 8 cores: 2.4Ghz, 16B cache)? Thank you.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
19 күн бұрын
Still Denverton just lower clocks but more cores. It depends on where you think your bottleneck is.
@tivonh7075
3 ай бұрын
Anyone know a distributor in europe I can buy this from?
@LockonKubi
3 ай бұрын
I wonder if you could cram all that hardware into a 2u but half width device. That'd make a good fanned version for people who don't have a rack (easier to fit on a bookshelf or whatever) or put in a coupler to still mount two of them in a full width 2u space. Also maybe a bigger (and user replaceable) fan.
@eazysnatch
Ай бұрын
Hey guys, what do you recommend for a home lab, Kubernetes? I currently have RPIs, but I'm looking for a mini PC / server. This one U1 looks great for that, but I'm not sure that I need all the Ethernet ports. Has anyone found the perfect hardware for specifically Proxmox ( VMs ) and Kubernetes?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Ай бұрын
Check our Project TinyMiniMicro series
@cameronfrye5514
3 ай бұрын
I have a question. Am I the only one who doesn't care for the idea of an all in one unit? I know it's overkill for a home lab, but my NAS doesn't do anything but NAS stuff. My router doesn't do anything but pfSense. My other services I don't consider 'critical' and can live in VMs on any of a number of mini-PCs I have around, but to my way of thinking a NAS and a router should always be stand alone devices.
@YKSGuy
3 ай бұрын
Fan is in the wrong spot for a rack mount device.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
Agreed, the better option would be to make a larger heatpipe heatsink then blow air through the chassis. But that is a costly custom part for a sub $300 unit.
@YKSGuy
3 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I would argue it defeats the point of asking for a rack design if you can't actually place something above or below it.. Same goes for that "Passive" one you reviewed a while back.
@lguildbz
3 ай бұрын
What app are you using to monitor the statistics of the unit?
@Warrigt
3 ай бұрын
Is this fan noise related to being ran sitting on a table with no gap for air to escape?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
We ran the top one with the bottom off but present as well to validate.
@ttww1590
Ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo This reply makes no sense to me. Thee top of the one below it has no holes and there are no stand offs, so the bottom on or off changes nothing.
@VaticanTop
3 ай бұрын
Is this or the Minisforum MS-01 better for a 10gb router with OPNsense /pfSense?
@m6kzt
3 ай бұрын
The ms-01 is way way better this doesn't even come close.
@BlueBearOne
2 ай бұрын
The Minisforum MS-01 is a lot more powerful but why? If you are just going to use it as a firewall appliance, it is way too much overkill and just a complete waste. That device will cost over a thousand dollars once you add in memory and a hard drive. Why pay for a Ferrari if you are only going to drive it to the grocery store and back?
@BrianThomas
3 ай бұрын
I like this unit. Looks like aa good Christmas gift for me.
@satokotsu
3 ай бұрын
this is the first time sth shows something thats actually cheap for what you’re getting. a comparable solution would cost over $500
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
I mean we showed the fanless version of this at around the same price many months ago
@B-a_s-H
3 ай бұрын
Which SFP+ 10GB (copper) modules are compatible with this? And how is the power consumption with 4 of those installed?
@ryanpek
3 ай бұрын
Why is there no unit with proper back to front cooling. Who mounts a switch that the fan blows down in a rack ? Switches get mounted in the back of the rack so you can run cables. So air needs to flow front to back.
@irlWIKKO
15 күн бұрын
Would love to look into this more but it seems this and the fanless version are not available in Europe. Bummer. 😮
@ServeTheHomeVideo
15 күн бұрын
A bit of a challenge with EU regulations. Hoping there is a seller willing to jump through those hoops soon.
@TheChadXperience909
3 ай бұрын
The reason for the weak power supply is because there's no active cooling on the PSU. That means it's probably not such a good idea to install this somewhere that gets very warm... Like, inside a server rack. Considering that would also block the CPU fan, I REALLY wouldn't want to risk that. Especially, with all those 10gbps SFP+ cages. Plus, Patrick Attesteach suggests adding internal SATA SSDs? Ummm... I guess, he likes to live dangerously? I mean, in the studio, sure. But, a hot server rack inside a smart closet? Have fun with those waranty claims! Oh, who am I kidding? I've never heard of this company, and who knows if they'll honor their waranty.
@thegeekno72
3 ай бұрын
It's the same motherboard as the fanless one, I bought the fanless couple weeks before its own review and when they released the 1U unit, I asked them if I could buy the case/PSU combo, which they did sell me, I just had to move the motherboard over to the other case ! Haven't soldered the leads of the PSU though, still using the barrel plug unit...
@sadnesskant7604
2 ай бұрын
Would 3200mhz 32gb sodimms work on this? It's hard to find 2400mhz 32gb dimms
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
It is pretty common to see folks use newer speed SODIMMs. We are going to do a main site article either tomorrow or Sunday with another C3000 system (no video) where ECC DDR4-3200 was installed at the factory on an Atom C3758 system
@BlueBearOne
2 ай бұрын
First time HomeLab builder here. Just ordered my first piece based on your recommendation from another video (MINISFORUM Mini PC MS-01-S1390 Barebone with Intel Core i9-13900H with 96 gb memory; the barebone is just barely over $650.00 on Amazon atm!). So thank you for that excellent video. I do want to get a dedicated single box for IDS/Firewall. I'm thinking Suricata and OPNsense. I think this box would work well for that? My question is this...why would you want a noisy mount rack over a silent fanless version if they are the same otherwise? I'm assuming the fanless one is appropriately engineered and does not overheat. Why does the benefit of the internal power source of the rack mount override the silent running of the silent version? I'm also assuming the fanless version has no power issues. Thank you very much for your help and time. I appreciate you!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
Some folks just prefer rackmount for organizing machines. The MS-01 can run a virtualized firewall no problem and save you some money
@CheapSushi
3 ай бұрын
Did you guys read my mind? I was literally on Amazon looking for something like this, with just enough ports for my needs and a decent value ($).
@louwrentius
3 ай бұрын
I wonder what the idle power usage would be of there units, ideally with a few 10g modules. ❤
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
You can get it to the 20-30W range. But then maxing the CPU will only add
@kingneutron1
3 ай бұрын
My desktop version pulls ~33Watts with 2x 10Gbit and 4x 2.5Gbit ports populated (plus a fan on top running off the usb2 port)
@bleeb1347
2 ай бұрын
This cpu is outperformed by an n100. AliExpress has i3 models for like $20 more, too.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
Sure but the N100 does not have enough I/O to handle all the NICs, SSDs, and SATA. It also does not have QuickAssist which makes things like VPN way faster on this CPU. The N100 does not support ECC. Plus, the 4x 10GbE is built into the C3758R. The N100 may be faster per core, but at the SoC level it is a much weaker part.
@bleeb1347
2 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I have an N100 with NVME, PCIEx1 slot, 2x2.5g and 2x10g SFP+. So I’m missing a 2.5g slot or two? But I gained a PCIe slot? Yeah man, I’ll keep my N100.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
@@bleeb1347 N100's are great. On the N100 you also get the iGPU. You are missing 2x SFP+, 3x 2.5G, six SATA ports, QAT, ECC memory support, higher capacity memory support, and so forth. In this segment there are a lot of options which makes it fun. Glad you like the N100 system. I think we are going to do a video on the fanless N100 / N305 box with 2x SFP+ and 2x 2.5GbE
@bleeb1347
2 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo my N100 has 2x SFP+ and 2x 2.5gb copper interfaces. I’m not following your logic which is based on the assumption that I’m missing all these features….
@utooboobnoob
Ай бұрын
Why wouldn’t you post a link to the unit you’re referencing?
@OS2tuxbird
3 ай бұрын
I prefer the CPU be an AMD Zen 3 😃 and RJ-45 that are multi-gigabyte (10, 5, 2.5, 1, 0.1 and 0.01Ghz). I suppose I have a long wait if ever 😆 Those "Mean Well" power supplies from Taiwan are very well designed and built (along with comprehensive documentation online). I've seen them used in mission critical VSAT satellite modems.
@jacksukerman5150
2 ай бұрын
I've got this, mostly on the recommendation of this video, and I'm not trying to get on you back on this.... but I would please appreciate some advice and yes I've been all over your forums. It works great, but I can't get any of the 10G SFP+ ports to work with opensense, pfsense, proxmox whatever. I've tried two different types of SFP adaptors but all I get is a lot of rx errors. I really want this to be a good unit but it just doesn't work at 10g
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
Very strange. Do they link properly or is it the case where they are not linking to a switch? I think we have like 8 of these between the team in fanless and 1U versions and have not had that issue. The one we have running is the newer Debian kernels with switches
@jacksukerman5150
2 ай бұрын
@ServeTheHomeVideo they do link out of the box with pfsense, opensense but you only get a few kb/s and rx errors. The latest proxmox which is debian does not link until you install the latest intel ixgbe driver but then the same result i can send at full speed but not recieve
@jacksukerman5150
2 ай бұрын
Ive tried new cables, what SFP modules are you using with it?
@jacksukerman5150
2 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo What SFP modules are you using?, I have tried two types of SFP+ to RJ45 modules. If they link but don't work, does this mean its a driver issue?. Also read that it doesn't have enough power to boot with 'copper' modules. Really think this thing should work with modern distributions out of the box.
@jrherita
2 ай бұрын
We really need more modern processors with these.
@iviaimer1
3 ай бұрын
I have 5Gbps ethernet, are there any good options for a router/firewall that allows 5 or 10gbps ethernet? The options i have found are very expensive. Also running 10Gbps nics in 2 PCs, everything else on the network is 1Gbps.
@ronwatkins5775
3 ай бұрын
Im looking for a SSD/NVME NAS with 25GB SFP connections. The NAS needs to have a high level of redundancy/backup for critical data. It should be about 20TB in size. Wondering where I can find some sort of comparison tool or utility which will help me locate something like this?
@joesaland9276
2 ай бұрын
It's been a minute since I ran a stand alone firewall and the main reason I stopped was the second I enabled any level of deep inspection the power wasn't there to sustain a 1GB+ Internet connection. Essentially everything in the lab (and house) slowed to a crawl once I started inspecting using something like snort (yes that was what was around at the time). It was frustrating, gaming through it was miserable from the latency that was especially bad if someone else was home watching Netflix or something. What I guess I really want to know is have these processors and the opensource IDS/DPI tools come far enough along that modern high speed home fiber can run at speed with the full set of security features enabled. If it is just a stateful firewall that doesn't do much other than maybe remove the need for a secondary on network NAS.
@yourpcmd
3 ай бұрын
Make this with an N100 at the same cost and I'd put them in inventory rotation. It would beat many of the all SSD NAS appliances coming out at ridiculous prices.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
This trades the iGPU of the N100 for more physical cores (for vCPUS), QAT acceleration, 4x 10GbE, and more PCIe/ SATA I/O. Adding quad SFP+ to the N100 would mean you are not putting many drives on there
@nousername9115
2 ай бұрын
Has anyone successfully connected to a switch at 10G using 1 or more of the SFP+ ports? That is a deal-breaker for me if not. Otherwise it would have been an immediate buy.
@TismoGaming
2 күн бұрын
The 1U units Sold out 😞
3 ай бұрын
I'm using the non rack-mount version and unfortunatly I don't achieve 10gbps over SMB. I have a fast enough NVMe installed and as OS I'm using OpenMediaVault which is based on Debian. Maybe this is related to the bug you mention in the video at the end.
@magnawavezone
3 ай бұрын
samba needs a lot of single core performance [at least to saturate 10G for a single client]. I'd guess the cpu is lightly insufficient being an gen older e-core.
3 ай бұрын
@@magnawavezone Yeah, that sounds reasonable. If I remember correctly, I also did an iperf3 test and could achieve 10 gig on one side, but the other side was only about 4-5 gig.
@pism0549
3 ай бұрын
I just want to make sure that I understand the wrap up about those 10gb ports. I would want to use this as my main firewall running opnsense and an Omada controller LXC inside Proxmox connected to my 10gb core switch. Am I right in understanding that I can't connect these 10gb ports to the switch?
@unclewho
18 сағат бұрын
There is similar 2nd-hand stuff on the market, dell vep 1445, 32g ecc, 1T msata, around $180
@DonaldMolter
3 ай бұрын
Oh man I kinda want one of these to replace my Edgerouter 4 box. It's been on my list to find a solid (while energy and cost) efficient platform to replace it with to get into Opnsense but haven't found anything yet. This may be the box I pickup to replace my aging hardware.
@jonathanchang4894
3 ай бұрын
if you plug in both 12v and PSU, does it essentially act as redundant PSUs in that if one fails the other one keeps things going?
@xt0
3 ай бұрын
most likely
@ecybernard-com
3 ай бұрын
You asked what I wanted to see. I want to see a real NIC SPF+ 4 port NIC like the intel 700 series that just works of out the box with proxmox etc. Even after the latest upgrade to proxmox 8.8 the intel 553 nic still doesn't work properly out the box. I still have to recompile 5.20.3 and fix compilation errors to get the 553 NIC working!!!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
Put it in the video but I made a formal request to Intel and followed up but no response
@ecybernard-com
3 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Intel has released driver 5.20.9 which at least compiles and installs. However I can only get gigabit speeds from it and not 10 Gbps
@m6kzt
3 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Think you should have made it clear that the x533 will not work on Linux 6 kernels out the box, try testing with latest proxmox 8.
@michaelkreitzer1369
2 ай бұрын
Only unanswered question for me is can both power inputs be used simultaneously for redundant/ha power.
@icedutah
23 күн бұрын
How can I add 4 SSD hard drives in there? I only see 2 SATA ports. Power for them?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
23 күн бұрын
M.2 + SATA but you will need to get a second SATA data and power cable.
@icedutah
23 күн бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Trying to find that sata data/power adapter. Where can I find those?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
23 күн бұрын
@@icedutah Ask the seller of the system if they can sell you an additional one for two.
@HaydenHatTrick
2 ай бұрын
So I just saw this video in the fanless version and was like "looks ok, but I'll pass". This is literally the identical device in a 1U and now I'm thinking "wow, I would love one of those". It's the same price and I'm a fool....
@halledwardb
14 күн бұрын
I need 4 usb ports, plus 2 would be nice, but I could remote with only 4 usb ports. It needs to run linux with 4 sound cards from masters communicatuons, 4x of their DRA50M.
@eddthirty4065
4 күн бұрын
Brilliant all-in-one box from Qotom. Would love to see one with a newer Atom CPU, like the 5000 series with matching 25GB networking and 2 x SFF ports. Perhaps they can think about supplying ducting to improve cooling and decrease fan noise as there is plenty of space to do that in a 1U case. Another nice to have is PCIe expansion, though it'll probably make it too expensive for many applications. I think someone below mentioned putting two in the same 1U case which would be great for resilience.
@local-admin
9 күн бұрын
Why the H it take yt 2 months to show this to me?!?!!!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
9 күн бұрын
It is a mystery
@casperghst42
3 ай бұрын
Why on earth did they decide to put the power button on the back - it is an rack mounted box. And everyone find that coll..😅
@0xKruzr
3 ай бұрын
I love how much I/O this thing has. It's approaching my ideal for a "perfect homelab Proxmox/Ceph cluster box" -- enough cores and RAM to support OSDs, boot from SATA and have two NVMes for OSDs, plenty of at least 10G networking for Ceph inter-host and client traffic. Not taking advantage of the AST2400 as a BMC sucks, though, as does PCI Gen 3 x2 for the NVMes. For $100 more the Minisforum MS-01 still holds the crown for this I think.
@Gargravarr2112
6 күн бұрын
The one thing that stood out to me looking at this - it looks like you could in theory put 2 of these motherboards side by side in the same enclosure by using external power. That would be perfect for my needs as I currently have 4 old USFF hypervisors in a 2U space in my rack; being able to upgrade them to something rack-mounted and having 2 machines in 1U with this short depth would be very cool (storage for the cluster is on my NAS so I just need compute nodes).
@danieljonsson8095
3 ай бұрын
You mention quick assist and how it's the same cpu as the 8200 pfsense box and how much that can do, but that's not quite the same as this box having comparable routing performance and you never say it does nor do you mention actually testing this. Would that not be a quite important thing to test when you make that comparison to the pfsense box? Because the fanless one with C3758R comes nowhere even close to this performance, peaking out at around 600Mbps when I bought that, to my quite major disappointment. It sounds a lot like "this is the same CPU as this system over here that can run all modern games at incredible performance" and then conveniently ignoring that the CPU has almost nothing to do with that gaming performance and everything to do with that other rig having a 4090 in it and the rig being sold as "same cpu as this amazing machine" has no gpu at all. Point is, do you have any actual testing on this that shows actual routing performance, both basic and with a decent load of rules?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
I mean we ran in and out 10Gbps link pairs in iPerf 3 at just under line rate (so in SFP1/2 out SFP2/4) no problem so I am not sure how you are getting 600Mbps unless you are doing something different. The NIC is integrated into the SoC so there is no other data path option between the two. It is the basic architecture of these boxes.
@danieljonsson8095
3 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Right so that tells me absolutely NOTHING about what I actually asked. How the NIC is integrated has no relevance, nor does the traffic data path. The question is about the firewall and routing performance. That traffic goes in one interface and out another tells me nothing about if it's even doing L2 or L3 forwarding, let alone if a firewall is involved, the complexity of said firewall, packetsize etc etc etc. Almost every dedicated router equipment relies heavily on hardware offloading of a lot of the functions in order to get a passable performance for anything but the most basic of routing, and very little of that hw offloading exists on this. To take my usecase where I get about 600 on the fanless, it's 3 VLANs on the "wan" side, to 21 VLANs on the LAN side, 16 of which are NATed. With snort and the NAT... That's 600Mbps... On something that supposedly has 18Gbps of firewall performance. That's not all that relevant though, sold it again for about what I paid, I just couldn't use something I was hoping to replace my aging Juniper gear at a decent pricepoint. I'm just asking about real world performance rather than reading a specsheet and comparing them. You should know how much just things like cooling and power limits can limit performance so just going "same cpu" means nothing about getting a real world comparison.
@RageXca
10 күн бұрын
everytime i buy a sfp 10gbits to rj45 adapter at some point after a while it drop packets dunno why try different models too / different cable im guessing its my Vim network switch. So i wish we had more model with rj45 10gbits.
@0x1337
Ай бұрын
What software do you use to display the cpu core bar graph when doing the power consumption tests?
@ckirkyg
8 күн бұрын
I've watched this video a few times and been reading the comments. I am interested in running opensense a d virtualizing my router as well as having a separate box to hold my other proxmox server backups. I would need to virtialize to do both I think. The piece that seemed like this might be most cost effective option was that it is rack mount but why would I do this over not getting something like a used Dell r730. When I saw the db of thst fan under full load that has always been my reason for avoiding loud server hardware even though I have a rack mount, but it's actually louder than the server hardware. Is it the extra network qat the piece thst would be better for router scenario? Thoughts?
@thetux0815
3 ай бұрын
I'll be receiving my new pfsense box with 4x2.5g and 2x 10g sfp+ ports im the mail by the end of this week. Powered by am intel n100. Wonder how they stack up in comparison. Would you go with the n100 or c3558 for a pure pfsense / opnsense with 10g?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
C3558
@AzN_devil
3 ай бұрын
the n100 is fine for switching applications but dont bother using it as a router + firewall (pfsense) unless your wan link is slow... my n100 maxes out when torrenting at around 35MB throughput
@coinbird44
3 ай бұрын
Here we go again! 🤓
@cjermo
2 ай бұрын
This with an N300/305, I beg...
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
No chance. The N300/N305 does not have enough I/O for this much networking and storage. It also does not support ECC memory.
@Gnitset
3 ай бұрын
They have a bug in the hw-design on the motherboard for the sim-card slot. According to the spec a pin is supposed to be pulled to ground when no sim is present and left unconnected when sim is present. It does it the other way around. I had to remove a surface mounted component to get the 4g-modem to understand that there actually were a sim-card installed.
@DavidPritt-xh7qq
2 ай бұрын
Could you please publish the change you did as I too want to use the SIM in this device.
@Gnitset
2 ай бұрын
@@DavidPritt-xh7qq I can't show since it is in operation at the moment. But if you take a picture of the motherboard showing the SIM card slot and the pci-e connector underneath the m2-ssd-slots, then I can point it out.
@DavidPritt-xh7qq
2 ай бұрын
I can take a picture, what is the best way to send it to you?
@Gnitset
2 ай бұрын
@@DavidPritt-xh7qq I have a gmail with the same username
@yoshiman12232
2 ай бұрын
AliExpress says these are no longer available....?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
Sold out
@SieNanntenMichZwerg
2 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo short Question...how to use Powershell for the Power Consumption?
@scottibyte
2 ай бұрын
Turns out that you can only use 2400Mhz memory max speed. Also, if you use 32GB modules, you have to pull the BIOS battery before inserting them. That's what kept me from POSTing.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
Good trick on the BIOS battery. DDR4-2400 is the max for the C3758R
@scottibyte
2 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I have yet to get any of the SFP+ ports to work. They just will not sync. My host is Ubuntu 24.04 and everything points to current support for Intel i225 and i226. The 2.5gig ports work fine though.
@scottibyte
2 ай бұрын
So, after digging up my 20 year old VGA monitor and OLD VGA cable I have yet to wake this thing up. Gee no POST test, no documentation and the VGA doesn't work. Looking up serial wiring for the console port. I hear this uses Intel AMT... which Ethernet port? Nice machine. Great solid build. I am using it to weight down some papers right now.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
It can take 30-120 seconds to train the memory on first boot.
@scottibyte
2 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks. Apparently my 20 yr old ACER VGA monitor is not working. I ordered a VGA to HDMI cable. Does this in fact have Intel AMT?
@mctscott123
3 ай бұрын
The meanwell is super nice, but I'd gut it and 3d print a slot for a dell psu, it should be sweet.
@holec0591
19 күн бұрын
Anyone tried this opnsense? Curious if those 10gb sfp ports will play nice when plugging into another switch
@MattHudsonAtx
3 ай бұрын
Really dig the new Key Lessons Learned section. That MBA is really paying off! 😊
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10 күн бұрын
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@tttomtxhc
3 күн бұрын
I’m assuming the issue still has not been resolved w SFP+ ports… lol
@KentBunn
18 күн бұрын
The pre-drilled holes would be nicer if they came with grommets for people that don't use them for antennas.
@connienashasa2745
17 күн бұрын
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@pbelb
26 күн бұрын
Hey Patrick, How do the Qotom C3808-based devices compare with the Qotom C3758R-based equivalent? 12-core vs 8-core, but lower top speed.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
26 күн бұрын
We do not have the C3808, but it is Denverton so should be similar-ish. The big upgrade is Snow Ridge/ Parker Ridge
@fredbompard7097
19 күн бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo yes but what about 12 cores @ 2.0Ghz/12MBcache vs 8 cores@2.4Ghz/16MBcache ? for Proxmox with OPNsense + whatever? Thank you.
@willidriver
3 ай бұрын
I love this product. But has anybody go a clue, why it’s impossible to ship to Germany?
@Qotom-Mini-pc
3 ай бұрын
Shipping to Germany through platform transactions requires an EPR certificate, but you can pay with PayPal, and the seller will ship offline, not through the platform transaction But there are also German buyers who put the delivery address in Austria, and then they ask their friends in Austria to mail it to them
@madisonwainwright5444
7 күн бұрын
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@holeinthesest
3 ай бұрын
You should test if you can run these off of one of those POE ethernet splitters
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
It would need to be a PoE++ one
@timramich
3 ай бұрын
WHY did they put the fan there? I've been tearing my hair out all day looking for something affordable to be a router. I thought the Epyc 4004 would be affordable. Those systems aren't remotely affordable. Neither any Xeon E-2xxx no matter how old.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
They needed to cool the CPU on the bottom of the motherboard. That space is very slim between the board and the chassis, so they needed a blower style cooler.
@timramich
3 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo They didn't NEED to. They could have used small fans and forced air through. Needing to space it away from other things in a rack makes it useless. Along with the fact that racks have specific airflows. Either front to back or back to front.
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