Bravo to our Ferry Pilot here from Merced. Friend of my husband. He said the flight was beautiful and the sea was calm. We have pictures to prove it. Thank you Captain for giving our Ferry Pilot his due congratulations. Safe travels to all our flying family out there. ✈️
@blancolirio
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to meet him! See my email in the ‘about’ section of this channel.
@barbaracarter8384
2 жыл бұрын
Roger that!
@LouT1501
2 жыл бұрын
@@blancolirio And we would love to see that conversation. Thanks for the videos; I enjoy the wide variety of topics you have.
@scsteinbrecher
2 жыл бұрын
WOW! Thank You
@anthonyrstrawbridge
2 жыл бұрын
Pictures 👍
@genebaket
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Cessna 210 while I was stationed in Hawaii. When I was transferred back to Memphis Tn I had my plane equipped with 300 gals of fuel, no GPS just a line of LORAN to follow. I had a FAA wavier also, what I found out is Cessna has the true specs of each of their planes under lock and key. The design limits are about 50 to 70% higher than publish in the manuals, for good reason. Yes it took me 15.5. Hours to reach Oakland, the most frustrating part was not the flight it was at the 4 to 5 hour mark in my ferry that I had to turn back because the head winds were stronger than predicted. I had to do this twice.
@aviatrixantics
2 жыл бұрын
This plane had to sit in California for months waiting for logistics “Wind” to turn in their favor as the season changed. Sounds like your two failed attempts were not properly planned according to seasonal changes.
@paulwilson8367
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, you were confident in that engine. Ditching in the dark, nightmare and likely not survivable
@mac26x98
Жыл бұрын
At our FBO late 1980s we had a South African Diamond dealer student get his PPL he bought a C207, fitted it with extra tanks flew across the states, then across the Atlantic down thru Europe to home. Another of our Students to build time signed in TradeaPlane to deliver ac. He got a call and took a C150 down around the Gulf to South America to deliver it to Brazil. He made it and showed up back home. As I recall that was early 90s and I don’t recall his name.
@martyweiner6525
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Juan - I was an Arinc high frequency radio operator for 13 years. My station, San Francisco Radio, would work all the traffic departing the west coast for Hawaii and other destinations to the west. As you know, once an aircraft is "feet wet" voice comms must be established for positive ATC control. We worked many ferry flights. And as you mentioned, things did not always work out to the good. Losing oil pressure or problems with the fuel system were the most common issues. Ditching is a real thing and does happen, sadly. HF radio is a fascinating legacy technology that is still used all around the world. Love your channel.
@KenNewberry
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Marty, I might have heard you on the air? Listened to 5574 and 8843 many times on HF from my home in Castro Valley.
@martyweiner6525
2 жыл бұрын
@@KenNewberry very likely Ken. 5 and 8 meg freqs off the west coast are almost always the choice in the morning hours. Cheers!
@sanfranciscobay
2 жыл бұрын
How do radio waves travel beyond the curvature of the earth?
@benjaminpryor5374
2 жыл бұрын
@@sanfranciscobay In layman's terms - they bounce off the ionosphere from transmitter to receiver. Time of day and the current season determine which frequency to be used. As Juan said we primarily use datalink to communicate, but use HF as a backup. He didn't even mention SELCAL (selective calling). Back in his day im sure it was much worse as a new copilot listening to all of the static...
@sanfranciscobay
2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminpryor5374 How far can it travel?
@BornRandy62
2 жыл бұрын
once upon a time in the early 1990s we picked up a voice on 121.5 . He was flying a single engine plane mid Pacific from California to Hawaii. He declared a navigation emergency (pre GPS) . We establish radar contact and guided him direct path to the big island. The coast guard sent a C130 to over see his flight. We put the two together and let them take over. We did get a report that he landed intact but had a white powdery substance so he wasnt able to walk away from the scene until he talked to the judge.
@Chris11249
2 жыл бұрын
Haha not sure if the last bit was a joke or not, but staying awake would be a real challenge I'm sure!
@appamaddox8190
2 жыл бұрын
Uh oh.
@seanhite3490
2 жыл бұрын
I climbed into this plane on Sunday and she smelled brand spanking new! I asked my instructor if we could switch and fly her instead that day and he said no and walked me over to our jenky old plane instead hahahah. My instuctor flew her to Hilo right after our flight, lucky son of a gun..And you're right, we need more planes. Can't wait to fly her thank you!
@truckerhershey7042
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine the airline crew listening to the radio out in the middle of the ocean- "Calling the airliner up above me, this is Cessna Skyhawk N490NW."
@mtkoslowski
2 жыл бұрын
Flying in the Zambezi Valley in Zimbabwe I would regularly make calls to “the big boys” overhead asking them to relay for me to Harare Approach. They were a helpful bunch.
@davidkeasal6542
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve done that going to Hawaii in a Baron. One jet made a turn so that I could see the change in the contrail and ID the aircraft as the one I was talking to.
@martinln1932
2 жыл бұрын
About a year or so ago we buried a 100 year old kiwi at our church. He had flown 35 missions over Europe in the Wellington after the start of the Battle of Britain, returned to Canada. Then delivered new Dakotas (C-47) from San Diego, Hawaii, Palmyra Island, Fiji to New Zealand near the end of WWII. I was unable to find a Kiwi flag for his burial service, but through the American Legion found an English flag. A partner and I bought a new 172P for $32K from the factory in 1981, prices have escalated.
@benjifrater6077
2 жыл бұрын
The stories that guy must have had. Fellow Kiwi here. I'd like to fly a little Jabiru 160/170 to Australia across the Tasman Sea. Kaitaia to Norfolk Island to Lord Howe Island then to mainland Australia. Kia kaha to the man you buried. What a legend🇳🇿
@CEOsario
2 жыл бұрын
My grandmother was a ferry pilot in WWII...It is a tough job...Nice one...Fantastic information...Thanks FOR SHARING...
@rustyclam238
2 жыл бұрын
There was a contestant on the show what’s my line. She was a ferry pilot. They never did guess what her job was. It was a good episode.
@joeskis
2 жыл бұрын
they wear diapers then or do it how long haul truckers do it?
@skycop56
2 жыл бұрын
The huge hurdle of precise navigation has been solved with GPS. But it is still a daunting flight with only guesses for winds and utter faith n the reliability of engine etc. Hats off to the pilot and to the crew behind this flight. I did it many times back in the 60s with a 180kt P2V and each time was memorable.
@jamest6837
2 жыл бұрын
Hey John what squadron were you in? My dad flew in p2v's and even ditched once in the sea of japan..
@johnyoungs7453
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamest6837 Which John?? I was in VP-4 Skinny Dragons out of the old Barber's Point Naval Air Station on the southwest corner of Oahu.
@johnyoungs7453
2 жыл бұрын
I did it twice in Cessna 172's, but going from the Big Island to the West Coast both trips. And, one trip in a Piper Twin Comanche.
@skycop56
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnyoungs7453 VP6 Bluesharks 1962-66
@skycop56
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamest6837 if he ditched in Sea of Japan good chance he was in my squadron VP6. It happened in 1962 I believe
@carroll-w7wxv
2 жыл бұрын
Juan, I am a General Class Amateur Radio operator and I frequently listen to San Francisco Radio on 11.282 MHz covering CEP-2 route. I also listen to North Pacific route frequencies. My location is in central Oregon State so depending on propagation I can hear traffic from LAX to Anchorage and across the Pacific as well.
@vincenorman9291
2 жыл бұрын
1969 we flew a King Air from Wichita KA to Lusaka Zambia. Crossed the Atlantic in 11 hours, St. Johns Newfoundland direct Las Palmas. No GPS in those day's but Weather Ships had ADF. Also comms on 121.5 with Pan-American, Clipper. Great flight Neil Armstrong had landed on the Moon a few months prior.
@stevet8121
2 жыл бұрын
Juan's aviation knowledge never ceases to amaze me.
@freedomfan4272
2 жыл бұрын
He mentioned before I think he said he has been flying around 40yrs as a private pilot, in the USAF and also as a airline pilot Currently on 777.
@greyjay9202
2 жыл бұрын
@@freedomfan4272 He's also a certified A&P (Airframe and Powerplant) mechanic, and he also flew spotter planes in aerial firefighting operations. Juan is a pilot's pilot.
@jns777
2 жыл бұрын
Have ferried a Cessna 310 to Australia. 11 hours to Honolulu, 11.15 hours to Kiribati, 11 .45 hours to Townsville. No GPS in 1989 Oakland to Honolulu track guidance was given to us via Com Airlines overhead. All compass navigation and from memory take up a 244 and you will hit Australia. All done in 3 days. Upper wind forecast you had to plan off.
@davidhofman4341
2 жыл бұрын
As a mechanic I fabricated a compass mount for a square widow 1964 Mooney Super. The whole airplane was filled with gas tanks. The one in the passengers seat position was about 2 ft below the roof. We had installed a manual RayJay turbo the year before. We rebuilt the engine 50 hours before he flew the airplane around the world. This is about 1974 and he rented a crank tuning Loran for $10,000 to make the trip. Ferry pilots before Loran or GPS were a different bread. At the small airport where I was an A&P IA there where two pilots that made there living delivering airplanes all around the world. 108-115 hp Piper the to Europe was the smallest.
@Paiadakine
2 жыл бұрын
Did they use ADF back then?
@vinquinn
2 жыл бұрын
Does LORAN exist anymore?
@Paiadakine
2 жыл бұрын
@@vinquinn google says no in the US.
@davidhofman4341
Жыл бұрын
IS it an RPM derated 180?
@bigjeff1291
2 жыл бұрын
I can honestly say that in the early 70’s and renting 172’s I NEVER thought a C-172 would would cost a half a million bucks. Wow, times certainly have changed!
@Inkling777
2 жыл бұрын
Much of that cost is in the avionics. They're equipped like a commercial jet, which makes them effective at training pilots for much less for each hour of flight time. I live a couple of miles from the airport for Auburn University's School of Aviation and pilots in these C-172s are overhead all the time.
@stevemull2002
2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same!
@jonathanrabbitt
2 жыл бұрын
I'd suggest that much of the cost is insurance and compliance costs. There's otherwise no way such an old design should cost that amount, even with modern avionics.
@SoloRenegade
2 жыл бұрын
it's not worth $500k either. you can build an airplane for about $50k that outperforms the C172 in nearly every way.
@jonathanrabbitt
2 жыл бұрын
@@SoloRenegade But you can't run a flight school with it.
@PJHEATERMAN
2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine flew a 180 hp 172 from Los angles to Hilo on the big island of Hawaii. He's a professional pilot who was in charge of the California highway patrol aviation division in northern California. He currently flies the OV10 Bronco for Cal fire.
@judd_s5643
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve met a number of ferry pilots over the years. A good friend of mine, retired Navy fighter pilot Jay Shower would ferry all sorts of planes around the world. Jay’s hanger was across from mine so I had the opportunity to help with the installation of tanks and radios. One day another ferry pilot showed up, he was heading out to bring a plane back to the US. I asked him him about GPS verse the VLF OMEGA. His response was, GPS confirms your not going to make it. When I was in Hawaii (enrolled in a part 141 flight school mid 70’s) ferry pilots would layover at this particular FBO. I remember one who left the following morning heading to the Philippines in a twin was never to be seen again. Another flight (2-3 singles, pipers I believe) from the mainland missed the islands and the coast guard plane was dispatched to lead them to Oahu. This was before GPS. The most crazy one, was this guy flying a Navion from the mainland to the Philippines. His original destination was the FBO on Honolulu but do to low fuel he was authorized to land at Kaneohe (military base on the other side of the island). As he was on approach he literally was rocking the wings to keep the motor running, he landed and the motor stopped on the runway. The waters under this approach is a hammerhead shark breeding ground. The pilot spent the night in a hotel reflecting and decided to leave the plane (owners problem now) and jumped on the next Braniff 747 (Orange) back to the mainland. It takes a special breed of pilot to do this (crazy perhaps).
@jcheck6
2 жыл бұрын
Judd, got my PPL at the Hawaii Air Academy in '72. Soloed on Ford Island.
@judd_s5643
2 жыл бұрын
@@jcheck6 I was enrolled at Hawaii Country Club of the Air (73). They flew Grumans, AA-1, 5A, 5B. and had a Beech D18 Part 135 operation. Owner operator of the FBO was Margaret Woods. Mrs Wood was a flight instructor and was instructing a student the day the Japanese attacked Perl Harbor. The attacking flight happened to overtake her and even tried to shoot her down. She managed to get the bullet ridden plane on the ground. I was having difficulty doing the “commercial” lazy-eight maneuver so I was teamed up with this very seasoned instructor that flew bombing missions over Berlin. After that flight I never had difficulties with any of the commercial flight maneuvers. If you ever happen to see a Vietnam period video of a A7 Skyhawk going in the drink right after a cat launch that was my friend Jay. His log book entry for that flight was 13 seconds to “silk”. Jay’s father, Colonel Albert Shower was commander 467th Bombardment Group. If you want a interesting read check out warfarehistorynetwork.com/colonel-albert-j-shower-a-hated-hero-of-the-usaaf/ I digitized many photographs that Mr. Shower took during some of the bombing runs. One particular photo, a shot out the wind screen, showed this sea of exploding flax! As I stared at this photo I couldn’t imagine the courage these men displayed. If you read the above link, Mr Shower flew Witchcraft as the lead aircraft. Ive been around aviation since the early 70’s and I’ve had the honor of knowing and listening to many great aviation war fighters. Some are still out there, their humble and may take a bit of coaxing to hear their stories, but rest assured you will be enriched as a pilot.
@jcheck6
2 жыл бұрын
@@judd_s5643 Good stuff Judd! I left the Island in '72 and have been flying ever since. Even flew today.
@grantrobertson4267
2 жыл бұрын
We were flying Cessna singles Monterey/Hilo/Pago pago/Auckland including 172's, 206's, 185's back in the late 70's on Loran, (no GPS available) and often without autopilots or wing levelers. Kudos to our American ferry pilots & the fear that kept them awake on these close to 20 hour legs
@FarrellMcGovern
2 жыл бұрын
Those ferry flight pilots most be a highly talented, trained and brave breed! Hats off to them!
@a.c.e.7568
2 жыл бұрын
One of the member pilots where I used to instruct flew his 1955 V-tail Bonanza over the Atlantic 6 times. At that time it was over 25 years old. Of course, not non-stop - Greenland, Iceland, etc. He had tip-tanks and was good for about 10 hours.
@glennllewellyn7369
2 жыл бұрын
Auto pilot.
@Tangent360
2 жыл бұрын
They for sure have a very durable rear end!
@jonathanrabbitt
2 жыл бұрын
I think the mental stress would be the worst part. So much time to dream up horrible scenarios...
@jonathanrabbitt
2 жыл бұрын
@@Tangent360 eat predominantly fat and protein before you go. Not too much carb and fibre.
@RetiredRoadTrips
2 жыл бұрын
That is awesome!! As a flight engineer on a C130 model, we flew non-stop from eastern USA to Frankfurt Germany, similar flight time. Although we had 4 engines, a bathroom and a coffee pot.
@davidb6576
2 жыл бұрын
So basically a flying hotel suite? 😄
@007Mugs
2 жыл бұрын
I ferried 3 Cessna Caravans from KSMX to Papua New Guinea and one to Malaysia back in the early 90s. ATP certificate along with being young, dumb and full of fun was all that was required back then if you had time in type. The WX, (especially the winds) were the most challenging part of those flights along with not allowing complacency to overtake the boredom.
@mikeoswald8053
2 жыл бұрын
Congrats to that ferry pilot. Did it in '59 in a Mooney MK20 or 21 (wood wing) out of Oakland. All seats gone but mine. No HF, but did communicate with overflying airliners, and ocean station ships that had been advised I was out there thanks to Arinc and PanAm dispatch. Homed in on a powerful Hawaiian AM radio station. The Nancy Narco picked up a VOR signal about 90 miles out. One does the stupidest things to build time.
@TheBarzook
2 жыл бұрын
It must have been a M20A, the only with a wooden wing. The M20K is a later model by the late 70s I think. What a trip congrats !
@mikeoswald8053
2 жыл бұрын
You are right, it was an early one. Narco VHF, ASL Bird Dog, etc. many winters ago. The first and only time I landed in Hawaii! 😂
@FlyinHawaiianpros
2 жыл бұрын
Talk about hoping for good winds
@DukeCannon
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear radio traffic of big guys just saying hi as they're flying waaay above him. Lol
@lindaberl3712
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the seventies I had a flying mentor named Louise Sacchi. Louise transported warbirds to England during WWII, and often described similar equipment (radios, tanks, survival suits) for her Atlantic crossings. Pilots have been doing these for a long time, and I enjoyed hearing the updated version.
@Alvan81
2 жыл бұрын
I'll have to look it up but I think they made a documentary about her or she was mentioned in one?
@stanurquhart1542
2 жыл бұрын
A late friend of mine knew her well, as she would stop in Sydney Nova Scotia CYQY airport before her crossings. He had told me many stories about her and had the upmost respect for her ability.
@lindaberl3712
2 жыл бұрын
@@stanurquhart1542 wow! Small world!😃✈️ She was such a neat lady. I had the honor of distributing her ashes from my airplane after she passed. She was quite a character, and I feel so honored to have known and flown with her.
@lindaberl3712
2 жыл бұрын
@@Alvan81 I am not aware of any documentary, but that would not surprise me, she was a really interesting individual! I hope you find it.
@lindaberl3712
2 жыл бұрын
I just found a picture of her. I wish I knew how to upload it here.
@tomdchi12
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully that pilot is enjoying a well-earned day or two on the beach in Hawaii.
@matthewmc4363
2 жыл бұрын
What before, prison??? Legal??
@jasonaviles192
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! This plane is going to my flight school! They have been waiting a long time for the winds. It's so neat to see a plane that I will eventually fly on your channel!
@bennettgoff1912
2 жыл бұрын
Which flight school?
@jcheck6
2 жыл бұрын
Don't break it Jason.
@ginog5037
2 жыл бұрын
Learn to fly on the mainland...
@jns777
2 жыл бұрын
An added comment we had to wait 6 weeks in Oakland for the winds to be favourable. The fuel load for the C310 allowed over 2 hours for the planned route. The leg from Honolulu to Kirabati was interesting you had to weave around the thunderstorm line which moves north and south of the equator. They have very big heads. We started looking for an NDB at our estimate 300 NM when the NDB locked 200 NM we were happy. With no aids you could easily miss the coral atoll.
@briangarrow448
2 жыл бұрын
This adventure reminds me of the old Army Corps of Engineers had a small, I believe about 40 foot survey boat stationed in Hawaii for many years after WW1 and it needed to be moved to Grays Harbor Washington to assume duties as a ecological survey boat on the coast of Washington state. The boat had multiple barrels of diesel strapped to the decks, additional food and water stored on board and then piloted to the mainland. It served on the coast for many years and was finally retired, then donated to the city of Hoquiam where it was finally auctioned off to a Sea Explorer’s troop. There are incredible tales of people doing amazing jobs that are far too often overlooked by this busy world.
@johnstreet819
2 жыл бұрын
Hoquiam=they tried to cut them all
@briangarrow448
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnstreet819- Home of the Grizzlies!
@leonb2637
2 жыл бұрын
I have read of other stories of ferry flights of small GA across the oceans and sometimes where there is an engine failure but the pilot survived. It takes very intense prep and indeed specially trained pilots to do them. The reward is being able to get aircraft to new owners without the problems of dismantling the aircraft if use ship delivery.
@LauRoot892
2 жыл бұрын
Hmm 🧐
@kevinsellsit5584
2 жыл бұрын
As much as I love single engine flight ... That is a big puddle to jump. Awesome flight and story answering all my questions (like why not throw it on a ship). Tip of the hat to all involved! (Including the FAA for understanding the need and allowing the permits etc.)
@michaeldickerson9428
2 жыл бұрын
It is great to have a positive aviation story. The accident reports are educational and will hopefully prevent future accidents BUT it is great to have some positive inspiration. That is why we all got into aviation! To go do and see amazing things!
@odyshopody9387
2 жыл бұрын
When I was an A&P for Sierra Academy back in the 90's at the old Oakland airports north field, I knew a couple of guys who did this. They put long range fuel tanks on everything from a Cessna 172 to an old 737! It was a great gig, couldn't believe the stones on the pilots who would then fly them across the Pacific.
@aviator2657
2 жыл бұрын
Hats off to Tom and the others flying these unique flights. It's a big ocean out there. What took me back was the current price tag. I used to think when a Skyhawk's sticker hit a hundred K that would be it for the production line. Juan's interview with Sven Lincke was an eye opener. In the mid 60's I'd pick up new 150's and 172's at Wichita and ferry them to our flight school and sales dept in Ft Worth. We paid $5K for the 150's and $7500 for 172's with a basic IFR package. That's about when the lawsuit craze was picking up steam. We talked about how much more it would take to trigger some tort reform. I guess I got the answer.
@robertcook6058
2 жыл бұрын
couple years ago brand new they were $250k
@markbonney2511
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thanks for covering this, Juan.
@AMStationEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
@blancolirio, I'm probably the only person in central Pennsylvania that does not have a smartphone/cellphone/or tin-can with waxed string. Thanks so very much for giving me something to smile about this week! All the best, Tim
@Starryeyed1801
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for breaking it down for us Juan! I was very curious about the fuel situation. I wish I could be a fly on the wall when the big guys saw the C-172 over the pacific below. 😅
@bladder1010
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. As a non-aviation person, I never realised small aircraft are delivered in this manner!
@Flightcontrails
2 жыл бұрын
It’s almost 20years now but pulled off a trans pacific crossing from north eastern Japan to Adak in a Cherokee 6. Time was 11 mins shy of 15hours. The key was understanding what the weather brief was really telling you !
@benjifrater6077
2 жыл бұрын
That's a part of the world I'd like to do in a rather small plane. Would live to hear more about it! ☺️
@XxToontownCentralxX
2 жыл бұрын
Sarah did my last couple checkrides!! What a small world! Love your videos
@malekodesouza7255
2 жыл бұрын
I was born and raised in Honolulu. To say there’s no “suitable alternate” (airport) makes me laugh. Yes. It’s remote. And it’s the most beautiful place on Earth.
@glevideo
2 жыл бұрын
Many years ago (almost 40) when I owned an aircraft that was based at Camarillo in southern California I became aware of an outfit on the field that modified single engine aircraft for these long distance ferry flights to Hawaii. This was before GPS so the pilot had to either dead reckon or possibly make use of LORAN for part of the way. The fuel tanks were huge and some even used the back seat area as well as the right seat area. There was only enough room for the pilot, a box of crackers and his tooth brush.
@iitzfizz
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Been a tough day as it's the 2nd anniversary if my dads passing so went seeing him at the cemetery. Love now coming home to unwind to some of your videos.
@pittss2c601
2 жыл бұрын
I know your pain. The 2nd anniversary of my fathers passing is next month.
@jimie5320
2 жыл бұрын
Blessings to you and respects to your father.
@jimie5320
2 жыл бұрын
Blessings to you and respects to your father.
@rikji
2 жыл бұрын
This is an incredible flight and the pilot has guts to take on this responsibility getting this 172 to Hawaii!
@elffirrdesign2063
2 жыл бұрын
Remember some Cessna ferry flights back in the day taking off from Santa Barbara Airport since it was the closest to Hawaii from the mainland.
@jimandmandy
2 жыл бұрын
San Francisco is the closest. Hilo is the closest Hawaiian airport to the mainland.
@robertbrewer2190
2 жыл бұрын
In 1962 our Naval Reserve Transport squadron from NAS Los Alamitos flew R5D (DC4) to Hawaii. Thirteen hours at 10,000 feet and cold!!! The joke was that the only slower way was by train. Now we know it can be done even more slowly. Hats off to those involved!
@kpeecee
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah with GPS, what a massive difference to navigate, I wonder what Amelia Earhart would have thought to all of this technology. Bless Amelia and her navigator Fred Noonan.
@jonathanstein1783
2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather had been scheduled to fly a C-47 to the CBI via Brazil, the Azores (?) Egypt, (I think), and other African countries that escape my memory, before entering India. He was taken off that route and instead flew over as "cargo". Not sure why, and the routing was different. He was there from Dec '43 to Sept '45, and flew home in one of the four-engine Douglas birds coming into regular service. Forget which one. Incidentally, I think only two C-47's of that original ferry flight were lost between Brazil and India!
@MrDucatizombie
2 жыл бұрын
Everybody is fascinated about the ferrying of the Cessna but I am floored by the fact that someone would spend $486,000 on a 172!
@pistonburner6448
2 жыл бұрын
What is the total cost for: -Rental and fitment of the special tanks -Removal of the tanks -Shipping the tanks back -Cost of the special approvals -Cost of all the other equipment needed -Cost of the specialist pilots for several days I assume (possibly many, depending on how they charge for waiting for the right weather), plus their flights back -Cost of the fuel for the journey And is it really less than simply shipping the Cessna there by sea? I guess that would mean: -Removal of the wings (unless you have an airport right next to a harbour and you get a good deal for the large amount of space you need for shipping the Cessna whole) -Special transport to the harbour -Shipping -Special transport form the harbour -Re-assembly of the wing Actually if this was a new Cessna, they could've ordered it in "shipping condition" with the wings off and ready to transport to begin with.
@pinecone01
2 жыл бұрын
This is the question I was wondering my self. It's a single engine small Cessna... the wings surely come off decently easily with some tools and labor, yeah?... why isn't it simply shipped by sea? I know avoiding damage to a costly airplane was mentioned, but still... It simply seems a case of trading one risk for another.
@pistonburner6448
2 жыл бұрын
@@pinecone01 Yes, they do come off for sure, I believe relatively easily. And since this apparently was a new airplane for sure those can be ordered with the wings off to avoid that cost altogether. I know I've seen pictures of Cessnas "containerized" at the factory for shipping to the Middle East.
@CrossWindsPat
2 жыл бұрын
Lol if their is an entire industry based around ferry trips then clearly there is a reason for it…
@straybullitt
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the pilot charges to make a long uncomfortable flight with a chance of drowning. I don't know what the long-range tanks cost, but I know that they would be the cheap part, compared to my fee for such a undertaking.
@pistonburner6448
2 жыл бұрын
@@CrossWindsPat Depends on the scenario. There are many different kinds of routes they need to ferry planes on. Europe to the USA, especially with a larger plane I'll believe that the financial equation strongly favours the ferry flights. Shipping can be incredibly cheap, at least when talking about routine container shipping or car transport (which is more complex than container shipping, but still incredibly cheap in many routes). Even shipping boats and yachts across the sea is relatively inexpensive considering how big those things are and how transporting them is a far more specialised task. That's why I'm asking about the cost situation, not telling. I don't know how much they'd charge for the extra requirements of loading on an airplane, and if the insurance cost would be much higher. And I don't know the exact cost of the ferry flights. I'm genuinely curious.
@donaldjmccann
2 жыл бұрын
I am surprised he left from Merced. The closest airport to Hawaii is SBP, (San Luis Obispo.) where I got my private license 22 years ago. I dreamed about owning a plane that could make that flight. Never expected it to be done in a 172! Congratulations!
@johnlucas2037
2 жыл бұрын
I was doing flight school back in about 1983 when they had a mid air collision at SLO airport
@martyweiner6525
2 жыл бұрын
CMA - ITO seemed to be the more common ferry flights I worked.
@jimandmandy
2 жыл бұрын
All the SF Bay area airports are closer. ATC- induced delays and routing must have something to do with it. ITO is closer than HNL.
@zeanjinsan
2 жыл бұрын
GRACIAS JUAN!! So appreciate your timely dissections of the latest, relevant Aviator/Aviation news!! Keep the 🔵 side uP.💫
@13699111
2 жыл бұрын
WOW !!! I'm not a pilot this informative interesting video had me on the edge of my seat thinking about everything that could have gone wrong. Everyone involved in the planning has me thinking of military training pilots .
@nigelcharles511
2 жыл бұрын
If your PNR (point of no return) is beyond your ETP (equal time point) you can proceed beyond your ETP. The ETP is to ensure that you know whether it is quicker to proceed or return in case of the need for an expeditious landing. For a remote destination without diversion airfield it is normal to carry an island holding reserve instead of diversion fuel (usually 45-60mins) to cater for temporary bad wx. In this case the weather minimums are also chosen to be higher to improve the chances of a safe landing.
@Silo-Ren
2 жыл бұрын
Can't believe in today's time we'er talking about pilot shortages. Makes me think about my biggest regret, not joining the Air Force when I had the chance. Really grateful to the people who created Flight Sim's. 😇
@truckerhershey7042
2 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@CrossWindsPat
2 жыл бұрын
34 here and 80 hours in with a PPL. Unless you in your 40’s it’s not too late to make the change. Get a class 1 medical before you do anything though.
@truthserum5310
2 жыл бұрын
@@vernonslone8627 "you're", not your. Guess you weren't a college grad.
@marlinweekley51
2 жыл бұрын
From what I understand there is a shortage of all kinds of workers in the US. Interestingly the US was founded by immigrants for immigrants and each time the US standard living jumped it was fuel by new immigrants- today however many seem opposed to allowing the immigrants we need to fill the jobs need for bottom up growth - ain’t we an interesting lot 🤪
@marlinweekley51
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesw.6931 the immigration laws have changed routinely as demand for immigrant labor changed - it should continue to evolve to provide the work force required to continue to expand the economy for everyone’s benefit. No explanation required - it’s common sense. Unfortunately immigration has been made an emotional political issue rather than an issue requiring common sense policies and laws.
@rickpellicciotti
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the late 70's hey day of cessna production, I had a friend that was a ferry pilot. At that time they were sending a lot of aircraft to europe. They put 152s on a boat but 172s and up were flown over. It must have been a cool job. Talk about time building! I did some domestic ferry flights for the factory then. I flew a lot of 152s to New Orleans where they were put in containers and loaded on ships.
@TrondBrgeKrokli
2 жыл бұрын
Good evening, Juan, happy to see you being back in Europe again. I presume you are having a nice time over there, as you usually do. Thank you for the very positive update, it put a smile on my face.😀
@briggsahoy1
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thank you, RB, Nova Scotia. Nice to see you’re back in the saddle again.
@Globalflyr
2 жыл бұрын
USCG, out of Air Stations Sacramento, Barbers Point, or Kodak, depending on wx, availability of assets, etc. in HC-130 H aircraft, back when I did it in the 70s - 80s. Talked a guy in an Aztec or Seneca, I believe, through a ditching short of Hilo. Had an H-52 over him from Barbers when he splashed. He stepped from the wing into the sling and was hoisted with out getting wet. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. He was very lucky. To his credit, he called for help early when he first realized he might not make it.
@physicsphirst191
2 жыл бұрын
HH-52A to the rescue! Might be the most exciting part of the adventure!
@charlescanton4740
2 жыл бұрын
Lucky he was so close to Barbers Pt. Some years ago I recall it took the C-130 a week to get to Micronesia for a search. Mechanical delays...
@johnc2438
2 жыл бұрын
I was stationed at Barbers Point, assigned to VR-21 when this squadron few C-118s and was transitioning to C-130s. Was out there when the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" was being filmed. In 1969, flight line was shared with B-17s and trainer aircraft made up to look like Zero fighter planes that would take off early in the morning to capture sequences on film of the Sunday morning attack. Production crew blew up some of the old, unused hangars on the station for the film, too. Actually had a Japanese anti-submarine squadron come in for training with a neighboring U.S. Navy squadron. The Japanese fliers loved posing by the ersatz Zeros (so did we, too!).
@GLICKMIRE
2 жыл бұрын
I have been a radio hobbyist since early teens, a military radio operator in the 1960s and 1970s, and an amateur radio operator since 1970. The HF Arinc radio frequencies can still provide some good listening for the hobbyist.
@rawcado
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for not listing any while you were already typing your comment.
@GLICKMIRE
2 жыл бұрын
@@rawcado Military training.
@jerrydeanswanson79
2 жыл бұрын
I would hope it was non-stop...smiles.
@daftDAFdriver
2 жыл бұрын
Just an additional comment, fantastic insight and commentary, detailed, factual no nonsense 👏👏
@wayneyd2
2 жыл бұрын
And a good tailwind.
@wayneyd2
2 жыл бұрын
I probably would of make the jump off point at Catalina Island.
@seagullsbtn
2 жыл бұрын
First GA I flew in ferried from France to New York and back a few years before I got in. That was 50 years ago.....Just compass....single engine......
@dewiz9596
2 жыл бұрын
My 1966 172g had a useful load 970 lbs. Bit by bit, with more “crash-worthy “ (hah) seats, etc, the newer versions have gained weight and lost useful load. Not to mention the price. I believe my plane was $17,000 New, in 1966; I bought it for CDN $33,500 in 1997, and sold it for CDN $37,000 in 2010. . . during which time I spent probably another 100,000 . . . New paint, new panel, new prop, rebuilt engine, has, parking, landing fees and insurance. . . I don’t regret a dime of it.
@Happyheartmatt
2 жыл бұрын
150,000 in today’s purchase power
@Dog.soldier1950
2 жыл бұрын
Adjusted for inflation its about the same. The extra is insurance costs
@guitarhillbilly1482
2 жыл бұрын
Probably about $200K of Avionics on board.
@scofab
2 жыл бұрын
What a doozie... watched it after seeing your post. Very well done, and thanks Juan for the heads-up and follow-up/.
@cageordie
2 жыл бұрын
I've read a bunch of articles by people who do these flights. They have some scary scary stories. A modern CAT II EPIRB would be at the top of my shopping list. These survival suits might keep you afloat if you get out, but one survival suit is an impossibly small target for a search.
@cageordie
2 жыл бұрын
@Bass N Brass People with appropriate equipment have been rescued before. But in general, especially with a small fixed gear high wing aircraft I think you'd be very lucky to make it out of the aircraft in a ditching. Even more lucky to get any life raft and provisions out.
@Roscoe8161
2 жыл бұрын
Very descriptive of the technical aspects of this type of flight, like the details of the temporary fuel tanks and comm to overhead commercial radio traffic. Thanks for taking the time to assemble this piece.
@mrdude2702
2 жыл бұрын
In the 80’s we frequently had ferry pilots coming through on their way to Hawaii in ce172 and light twins. One of the pilots told me that the trip prior he ran out of fuel on final and landed safely. He continued to New Zealand. He also mentioned that for the first several hours he can not get above 2000’ due to the extra fuel and the FAA mandated one man life raft which is very heavy. Some places with a single door (Mooney and the light twins) required the pilot to slither over the tanks. Thankfully, he was only 5’3” and about 130 lbs.
@JerryAsher
2 жыл бұрын
18 hours without Internet? TikTok? Twitter, Reddit, KZitem. Inconceivable!
@idanceforpennies281
2 жыл бұрын
You may have been bored with meteorology studies during flight school, but if you became a long-range ferry pilot I'd bet you'd become an expert at it real quick.
@skippynj1979
2 жыл бұрын
#truth
@SueBobChicVid
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining.
@mh8757
2 жыл бұрын
Juan's knowledge of aviation never Cessnas to amaze me!
@andrewbroadfoot6195
2 жыл бұрын
Really cool to hear you mention Sarah. She is an amazing person and I feel privileged to know her and have flown with her
@thefamilythatfliestogether
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining how it was done, as I was trying to figure out how it would be possible to load that amount of fuel without going over max gross weight. From your video, it turns out they just got a one time ferry permit to be allowed to be over weight! Great story with a great outcome!
@mattpope1746
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating to learn how the ferry pilots do that. A good reminder that, despite being home to so many people and regularly visited by millions each year, the Hawaiian Islands are among the most remote in the world in terms of distance from the nearest continents.
@AyayronBalakay
2 жыл бұрын
fish and chips and a pint sounds so good
@Ro32da72
2 жыл бұрын
Another fine video Juan, thank you. I hope you found your pub!
@justinhaase8825
2 жыл бұрын
I did a Tiger Cruise on the Stennis from HNL to San Diego…you don’t realize how big the ocean is until you see nothing but water for 5 and a half days doing 20 knots plus.
@LWDavis58
2 жыл бұрын
18 hours is a lot of ocean. Ask Juan if it’s a lot of ocean inside a 777. Wow Juan. This flight is quite an accomplishment. Heck 4 hours is a long flight. A special report.
@eh42
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. The ferry flight pilots' air time to flights ratio must be among the highest. A friend was a pilot with MAF in Lesotho. His air time to flight ratio the exact opposite - with max flight times across the country measured in minutes, his personal best I think was 10 flights in 1 day.
@heyopey
2 жыл бұрын
Thats cool My 1989 Arrow has 2 similar log book entry’s A 17 hour entry from California to Hawaii and a 13 hour flight from Hawaii to South Korea This flight was in 1989. thanks for the video
@roderickcampbell2105
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Do not miss a barge with a pub! I once did a tour of San Diego harbor. Not really a pub onboard but there was a fellow who knew how to make a good G&T. Yes, I also saw some really great vessels too.
@AMoose454
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone on Reddit was watching this live. Also Juan it was great to meet you at Osh!
@pittss2c601
2 жыл бұрын
Every time I have flown to Hawaii I am amazed at the amount of water out there. Lift the shade...water. 2 hours later, lift the shade...water. I always hope there is a real island out there with a runway. And the water looks cold too...
@bobh6728
2 жыл бұрын
And I thought Lake Michigan was huge. Crossed it in 2-1/2 hours at 32 knots on a high speed ferry. Land only visible for about half an hour.
@rgr3427
2 жыл бұрын
My understanding is this IS the longest single by air & by water route with no alternate options, talk about point of no return ! Still amazed that you can either fly, motor or sail somewhere on our planet and potentially not be able to be tracked or communicate easily even with ADS-B and sat systems. Barge Pub !
@davidschuur4208
2 жыл бұрын
Great channel Juan, long time fan. Ferried alot of new aircraft domestically but WOW, Hawaii! Did you see Mack Rutherford, 17, in the Shark this morning left London area back to home Belgium, round the world flight, only has to go to Bulgaria Wed via Slovakia tomorrow.
@wingnuttgeronimo7845
2 жыл бұрын
So very cool, I had no idea they flew these aircraft over. I wouldn't want to do it, especially being so far above max. weight, and then the length of time it takes to make the trip! Hopefully these pilots are paid well for this.
@013bassman
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed watching Dangerous Flights when it came on. Being a Ferry pilot would certainly take a special breed. Delivering a Phenom is one thing, but flying a single engine prop would be something else. You would really have to love your job to do that.
@PRH123
2 жыл бұрын
People have been doing it for many decades, and the procedures and routes have been worked out long ago. It's quite safe, can't remember ever reading a out a ferry flight that didn't make it.
@rexmyers991
2 жыл бұрын
Great reporting! Thanks, Juan.
@Nickle314
2 жыл бұрын
The wind planning …
@AxXxlostXsoulxXx
2 жыл бұрын
Aye! My dad is going viral! (My dad is the pilot)! Just for the record I can assure you no poopy suit was worn lol! He wouldn’t be caught dead in one! But hey let’s give credit where the credit is due it is Tom Lopes - TDL Aero Enterprises(his ferry business) that outfitted this 172.
@AxXxlostXsoulxXx
2 жыл бұрын
Also speaking of credit where credit is due.. great video explanation it is very accurate and great quality! Hope you enjoyed your beer at the pub!
@blancolirio
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Austen! I saw him exit the plane on FB...in shorts! He was really crammed in there...
@garyplewa9277
2 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine what the "wet" hourly rate for this 172 would be at a flight school in Hawaii given it's price tag. Sure glad I learned to fly 30 years ago on the mainland.
@jcheck6
2 жыл бұрын
I got my PPL in Hawaii in 1972. $19 hr wet.
@geckoproductions4128
2 жыл бұрын
Got my PPL at Randolph AFB in 1978 $12.50/wet for T41
@Paiadakine
2 жыл бұрын
In 79 I co-oped at beech Wichita. Flying club skippers were $8/hour wet. But that was because the company sponsored. I remember paying $25/hr wet for a c-150/152 in the mid 80’s.
@Micslmn
2 жыл бұрын
@@D.c.0 in a 172!?
@paulperrottet113
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update. Great effort to fly this long leg. However California to Hawaii is a long way short of "all the way across the Pacific".
@skyking228
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like flight schools in Hawaii might be a bit pricier than the mainland. Interesting and fun to watch, thanks!
@FiveTwoSevenTHR
2 жыл бұрын
Just checked and first school has a 2021 172S for $197 an hour. Pricier than here but not by a whole lot. I was expecting to see something like $250 an hour.
@freedomfan4272
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much everything in Hawaii is more expensive than the mainland because of everything having to be shipped in from The mainland in other countries. Also Hawaii doesn't produce a lot of things like they used to do many years ago so they have to buy it now and have it shipped in
@VassilliHD
2 жыл бұрын
I used to work at the factory where this plane was made. Thats neat that they were able to make it that far.
@ohmyfynbos6070
2 жыл бұрын
This reminded me of the 1983 Magnum P.I. episode "Two Birds of a Feather", the episode even depicting a P-51D buzzing a private jet into a forced landing! Sam hunter splashed into Robin Master's tidal pool due to a seat-full of lead bars. Thankfully the Cessna 172 made it ;-)! Apologies for the segway.
@chuckgrenci6404
2 жыл бұрын
This was my very first thought as well; (a lot of great aviation exhibitions in that episode). 😉
@richc47us
2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations to the ferry pilot. The comments gave me a lot of interesting stories of history...Thanks Juan.
@user-xz9hu4rd2v
2 жыл бұрын
Good thing is that if he was keeping a fuel log, and I’m sure he did, he would have known way before the ETP that he was not making it. Congrats to the pilot. Art (89-09 Vance)
@gordonparsons2575
2 жыл бұрын
Hello Juan I really enjoy all your KZitem appearances and the amazing aviation reports you do. The flight to hawai was quite amazing. All the best snd keep them coming. Gordon. Ps I am from London, the canal you mentioned with a pub on it, might just be the river Thames!!
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