You mix arguments about immigration, illegal immigration, and mass immigration of refugees/asylum seekers/welfare seekers. These are different sorts of immigration, and so are the arguments for and against them.
@asafartsi7028
6 жыл бұрын
Yetanotherytuser I think white genocide is preaching or influencing white people not to have children, or at least - not white children. Not necessarily linked to mass immigration. But anything can look like white genocide or white supremacy, with just a sprinkling of paranoia
@asafartsi7028
6 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ this study: hbr.org/2016/10/immigrants-play-a-disproportionate-role-in-american-entrepreneurship Counts documented employers, workers, and company foundres. Which is why I assume - documented immigrants. (a bit difficult to start a company with no legal status)
@asafartsi7028
6 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ maybe. But you said there IS no difference in the statistics. Do you know of a research that shows the financial benefit of illegal immigration? Or of mass immigration?
@friday13thfan97
6 жыл бұрын
He heavily mixed these arguments. These are criminals not productive citizens. But his main argument outs lusty them stay and bring more.
@killercaos123
6 жыл бұрын
Asaf Artsi So what ur saying is "the argument isn't black and white, there are very large nuances to the debate"?
@jackmeoff8953
6 жыл бұрын
If you want fill these low skill jobs with the dropouts then stop all and I do mean all entitlement program.
@mistermood4164
6 жыл бұрын
illegals and legal migrants use those programs FAR less than citizens
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
Mister Mood citation needed. I work for a government agency that deals with welfare data. A lot are illegal. Before that, I worked in pharmacy. A lot of illegals there getting free medication. So stop your bullshit lies.
@jackmeoff8953
6 жыл бұрын
Tell me Mister Mood can you read? If it is yes than what did I say?
@jackmeoff8953
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you DarkSide Blues
@bradpayn8058
6 жыл бұрын
We have millions of Americans already getting paid by welfare to lay on the couch, eat food stamp bon bons, watch The View, and produce babies of all different shades and last names -- it's way past time that they learned how to mow lawns, pick fruit, clean up construction sites, or work at day cares for each other. I say we find everybody American a job, even if it's generating electricity on a stationary bike, before we let one more person immigrate. Things that the liberal voting base fear the most are things like shovels and brooms, and as long as you let them they'll stay on that couch and encourage a never ending flow of Mexicans to do the dirty work. Then as the illegals become legal, many of them will figure out the "liberal baby factory" way of life too. We've been trying this for years, it does not work. While it is true that this country is a nation of immigrants, most of them came legally, and not only was there not entitlement programs for them, but there were no entitlement programs where the people who were already working here could go home and lay on the couch for a living.
@Happymars24
6 жыл бұрын
Love that like/dislike ratio. Fans of Reason are independent thinkers.
@ASleepyMoose
6 жыл бұрын
Leiter I don’t want a borderless world regardless of race. Keep the germans, Swedes, and Czechs out too.
@Happymars24
6 жыл бұрын
Get rid of the state, then you can have open borders.
@darthutah6649
5 жыл бұрын
or maybe trigger conservatives
@Monaleenian
3 жыл бұрын
@@Happymars24 "Get rid of the state, then you can have open borders." You mean get rid of every state on Earth, at exactly the same time, I assume. Because if you just get rid of the US state, another state would use its military to assert control over America. I don't think that a sychronized dismantling of every national and local state on the planet is all that realistic though...
@apersononlineyes6554
2 жыл бұрын
It just goes to show you how much of the people who watch this are just conservatives masquerading as libertarians
@autismobinch135
3 жыл бұрын
Love to see them pissing off there alt right fan base they built
@HenryMcCraken4
3 жыл бұрын
Alot of closeted conservatives think they are libertarian, and reason isn't scared of them
@glanemann
6 жыл бұрын
Jesus, did Nick just say we need cheap labor to use them? That's fucked up.
@FrankMendez1969
6 жыл бұрын
glanemann that's exactly what I understood, too.
@deriznohappehquite
6 жыл бұрын
The argument is basically that we can use them to undercut people's salaries.
@rodziegman
6 жыл бұрын
Yup, last I checked, it's slavery. I don't wanna clean up, make the Mexican do it! Kids need jobs too, it should not be a stigma for kids to do some of the work like this after school.
@qb4428
6 жыл бұрын
It's better than what they could find in their home countries. Otherwise they wouldn't come here at all, dumbass.
@mistermood4164
6 жыл бұрын
it better than what thier country offers them so yea..
@anthonydimartino8960
6 жыл бұрын
I thought reason was fair and unbiased. This feels like propaganda
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
Anthony Dimartino it’s not feel, it is propaganda.
@frankiel3767
4 жыл бұрын
Reason is openly libertarian, and this is a libertarian position. I don’t know what you expect. It’s like going to Fox News and being shocked that they don’t support universal health care, or going to MSNBC and being shocked they support gun control
@urinalcakesorcerer8919
6 жыл бұрын
Very Misleading Legal immigration is very different from *illegal* immigration.
@SilverMenace100
3 жыл бұрын
Then facilitate the legal process and help families come here legally. Problem solved.
@SilverMenace100
3 жыл бұрын
@@danielsmith4715-d2k I was pointing out that most undocumented immigrants don't have the means to come here legally and are desperately fleeing from horrible conditions.
@MIZZKIE
2 жыл бұрын
@@SilverMenace100 Yeah, and also lets put every single criminal in jail. Problem solved. World peace achieved. Hurray! (facepalm) Illegal immigrants don't give a crap about legal processing. Moreover, legal processing doesn't mean every single person who applies gets accepted. If you're a criminal, gtfo. If you don't want to contribute to the US, gtfo. If you want to leech off of the US system, gtfo. etc etc etc
@sarahshaw7315
7 ай бұрын
@@SilverMenace100no. 1.2 million immigrants came to the UK last year with a million the last. My ass we need more, the country is FUCKED.
@angkhoa1216
5 ай бұрын
@@SilverMenace100Even if legal process is possible, it would still take 18 years for one to get their visa.
@shealdme
6 жыл бұрын
Could you guys start posting sources?
@karendelgado4910
3 жыл бұрын
They can’t because they don’t have any
@stretchyjim1
6 жыл бұрын
ive worked and lived with them in california. i had to move out of state because they do drive wage down, take jobs, dont speak english, take advantage of welfare by the women saying the father is unknown or out of country when in fact he lives in the house and works under the table. theyre very racist to whites and blacks. and while on welfare they produce a lot of children which is paid for by the tax payer. then the children go to school which the tax payer also pays and it takes time away from the native born children. its a big problem. maybe one would have to live among them to see how bad it really is. even the jobs they dont take are requiring the employees to speak Spanish because there are so many of non english speaking immigrants.
@homewall744
6 жыл бұрын
And somehow California creates the largest state economy, bigger than most countries.
@stretchyjim1
6 жыл бұрын
not for long. ive seen it getting shittier and shittier every year. where are you from? are you an immigrant from mexico or central america? i have Hispanic blood and my mexican relatives agree. well most of them. your emotions are getting the better of your logic. knowledge is power, emotions unchecked is a weakness.
@moved2bitchute779
4 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@alexgichmartinez4477
4 ай бұрын
@@stretchyjim1he said facts, you are the one being racist about mexicans
@stretchyjim1
4 ай бұрын
@@alexgichmartinez4477 6 years later and im still right. Even more so. I just visited cali 4 months ago to see some family and its disgusting what its turned into. I told my family to leave now while they can. California is lost. Abandon ship.
@nondualitybliss8582
5 жыл бұрын
My sister had her Social Security number stolen by an illegal immigrant. It was a nightmare for her trying to get that mess straightened out.
@GANTZ100pts
4 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine a few years back apparently had his stolen too. He didn't know it was stolen until the person that stole it apparently died. And as a result he had to go through a huge mess of paperwork to prove that he wasn't dead. Good news is he didn't get burdened with any of the debt that his identity thief amassed. But was still a pain in the ass for him to go through because according to the records he was technically "dead" and couldn't get a job.
@mattw8937
3 жыл бұрын
@@GANTZ100pts It sounds like illegal immigrants don't care about how their actions negatively effect anyone else.
@dordevukman
11 ай бұрын
yes man because one means all doesn't it? @@mattw8937
@thesuperdragonrelic9739
10 ай бұрын
Cool no one cares
@angkhoa1216
5 ай бұрын
@@thesuperdragonrelic9739I care.
@Aeonicentity
6 жыл бұрын
These are 5 strawman arguments for immigration, and a casual dismissal of them.
@qb4428
6 жыл бұрын
He showed people genuinely making these arguments. How is it a straw man?
@Aeonicentity
6 жыл бұрын
no, he showed highlights of clips from people who have very complex and cogient arguments, but the highlights weren't even their full arguments, or their best ones. The only one here that was close to a good argument was Lauren Southern, and instead of addressing the arguments on its merits, he just hand waves that away by harkening back to 100 years ago, and saying "some of them learn english!" Particularly the one regarding taxes: We don't know how much tax is paid by illegals, because the IRS refuses to actually figure out the stats, everything is conjecture, and no one actually knows an answer to this because we lack even the most basic of migration and naturalization stats BECAUSE OF HOW MANY ILLEGALS WE HAVE LIVING HERE. We don't even really know HOW many illegals we have living here. Go ahead, cite me the number, and prove it. Tell me the method by which you draw that conclusion.
@alexgichmartinez4477
4 ай бұрын
@@Aeonicentitylol no, they are racist fearmongers exposed as such
@ModernSurvivor
6 жыл бұрын
Everyone's getting pissed off and downvoting a libertarian video for making libertarian arguments...
@Midironica
4 жыл бұрын
Because they're dumb libertarian arguments
@codebebop
6 жыл бұрын
Also I wonder what would happen if a citizen worked under someone else’s social security card? Oh wait, they go to jail, right? Not deported and then re-enter 10 times.
@GinEric84
6 жыл бұрын
codebebop apparently identity theft isn't a No-No if you're an illegal
@richdobbs6595
6 жыл бұрын
Actually, probably nothing because working under somebody else's card means that benefits accrue to some else. A citizen gains nothing by doing so. But if an illegal uses a phony SSN those benefits just disappear. I think that government created ITIN to assist folks to pay taxes with no associated social security benefit accruing.
@akbarshoed
6 жыл бұрын
codebebop exactly
@chrishenk4064
6 жыл бұрын
I personally have no interest in paying to house them, clothe them, feed them, and entertain them. Deportation seems easier no? If it's a nonviolent crime I don't think that's worth your money.
@autismintensifies8793
6 жыл бұрын
And applying for credit with said SSN doesn't have any negative consequences?
@treecrusher
6 жыл бұрын
I’m from New Zealand and normally the centre ground of our politics is well to the left of US politics. But not on this issue, we have strict immigration rules and only let in people who are useful to our economy and a few refugees. I’m surprised how liberal the US is with immigration, considering how conservative it is with most other political points.
@user-or6yn8pm3c
2 жыл бұрын
US is the reverse. We are more conservative on local matters but more liberal on immigration.
@wow9279
2 жыл бұрын
Open imigration has been a pretty big reaseon for americas success that's a probable reaseon.
@johnanthony9923
6 жыл бұрын
So if the citizens of one country work (and die) for centuries to make it financially successful, as well as the safest, freest, and best country for themselves and their children....everyone else has the right to abandon the countries they did NOTHING to improve, and immediately take advantage of the benefits created by someone else? If someone works 80 hours a week for their entire life and buys a nice house, should people from the town over who just don't feel like working be allowed to bring their friends and family to eat their food and use the pool whenever the fuck they feel like it too?
@homewall744
6 жыл бұрын
Please read your USA history and our "involvement" to protect our "national interests" in foreign countries from founding to this day.
@EvidenceBasedMedsin
8 ай бұрын
@@homewall744The USA doesn’t owe the people of those countries nothing! Yes, our Constitutional Republic is veiled by usurpers pushing Democracy, but people here, from the soil of this country pre-Colonialism who fought for this nation, don’t want them here leaching, volunteering themselves for pennies, nor bringing their criminal element. We’ve dealt with at before.
@alexgichmartinez4477
4 ай бұрын
Then go away from USA and give it back to the natives
@Mrs._Ukraine
3 ай бұрын
you serve a good point. although many people usually flee to america for greater eductational opportunities, and economic opportunities that their home nation may have never had, which isnt their fault, for they did nothing to improve it because they could do nothing, and especially so if they immigrated if they were young. im retarded so dont take this seriously. also, what about those who asked to come over to the house, (aka those who legally immigrated and followed all the rules)
@fiscalcape9807
6 жыл бұрын
Not saying what they are saying isn't valid but where is the sources for all this information. Also they say illegal immigrants don't use as much welfare but we all know that is disingenuous. The best way to measure welfare usage is by immigrant run house because they have kids that are American citizens so their kids are counted to the citizen total usage of welfare. If you do it by immigrant household then you find that 51 percent of immigrant families use welfare while 31 percent of citizen households use welfare. This data is from the Center of Immigration research so at lease I have a source. They don't.
@nathanwall2808
6 жыл бұрын
Go to any border state and tell me they're not receiving benefits.
@HomelessOnline
6 жыл бұрын
Every Californian knows they're receiving plenty more than education and emergency room benefits, but even assuming that's the case, how much in dollars does it sum up to? "Only education" and "only emergency room visits" is like "only a billion dollars per year." (I'm exaggerating to make a point, the point being you can't mention only the services without including the costs of those services. Those costs are paid by me and others like me!)
@HomelessOnline
6 жыл бұрын
And BTW, "education" also includes free college! I pay for it, and I don't even have a college education!
@ElenaRoche
6 жыл бұрын
I am an immigrant and I know enough immigrants to say that most people crossing the Mexican border into US don't want to immigrate they want jobs and stable income. They want to send money home and go home eventually because they are deeply attached to their families. They need to be able to work legally, come and go when they need to, like they used to under Bracero Program. When I stood in a crowd of several thousand immigrants during our citizenship ceremony a lot of people around me didn't seem to care to recite The Pledge of Allegiance and some didn't even put their hands over their hearts. It was very obvious that citizenship was forced onto them because there's no other way to bring their family members in, so they too would get work. Let them work legally and see how many still want to immigrate. You will be surprised.
@mortenx9781
Жыл бұрын
they also immigrate for safety the cartel is ruthless in mexico
@phd_phd
7 ай бұрын
@@mortenx9781 but cartel isnt as ruthless as leftists with propaganda crap like this. I myself a us citizen not by birth but i acquired a passport gor what? To hopefully renounce it a decade later? And to swear off american citizenship till it becomes liveable. Im for worthy immigration. Ive always been an immigrant. Ik manh people renouncing their passports not in favor of Saudi Arabia and Spain like me but Mexico… gruesome for america and marxxists
@lucycolon1861
4 ай бұрын
Then create those opportunities in Mexico. America didn’t just magically become resourceful. The true Americans fought for it
@alexgichmartinez4477
4 ай бұрын
@@lucycolon1861there are not true of false americans
@Newbonic
6 жыл бұрын
Our experience in the UK is that when there were relatively few e.g. Pakistani immigrants then English was widely learnt. Now that some places like central Bradford are majority Pakisani then parts of that community (mainly such as their womenfolk) don't have to learn English at all. I know of cases where hospitalised women who have lived in the UK for 20 years need interpreters (usually male family members) to communicate with nursing staff. It depends if you're seeing their integration into the host culture, or their replacement of it...
@joeyang1976
6 жыл бұрын
I love Reason, but I also believe in the rule of law. I don't blame people for wanting to come to the US, but they should do so LEGALLY. If our immigration policy is screwed up (which is probably is), then we should lobby to change it so it's easier for honest hardworking people to come here without having to sneak across the border to find work with a fake SSN.
@holycrapchris
6 жыл бұрын
Rule of law is fine, except when the law is stupid. "Bad laws make socially-advantageous acts illegal." Cue Milton Friedman: kzitem.info/news/bejne/pGtouqCGfIh1nKQ
@carson2725
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly right, Joe Yang. I was sad that ReasonTV would paint the picture to make it seem as if we conservatives are against IMMIGRATION IN GENERAL. My grandparents immigrated here from Mexico LEGALLY and are now citizens (Republicans, interestingly enough). I am not against immigration, but ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. That is what we, Trump, Fox News, etc. are against. I was recently shocked and saddened by a Reason article published that criticizes Trumps "harsh" immigration policy. They criticized the fact that the US is prosecuting people coming across the border illegally. My response to them is that it is...ILLEGAL! Those people are cheating those like my grandparents that come legally! If there is no penalty besides maybe deportation (which they ignore and come back over), then the law against illegal immigration is meaningless. I have witnessed ReasonTV go from calling out corruption and overspending to being an anti-Trump megaphone.
@username5502
Жыл бұрын
@@carson2725, laws against immigrations ARE meaningless. It is a bureaucratic nightmare to enter the country legally. Conservatives often say that they are for individual liberty and limited government yet worship immigration control and other big government things.
@cubbymahn1979
6 жыл бұрын
Where is your evidence these folks are assimilating and adopting our values?
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
Ethan Noble no he didn’t. Mexicans teaching English is not adapting values.
@homewall744
6 жыл бұрын
What are "our values"? I disagree with most Americans as I believe in the power of liberty and equality under the law, even if it means not growing as fast or killing as many foreigners or deporting "illegals" or whatnot. I believe in a flat rate tax on all non-gift financial transactions.
@cubbymahn1979
6 жыл бұрын
Home Wall liberty, small “r” republicanism and the rule of law. If the first thing you do is ignore our sovereignty by violating our border you don’t share our values.
@Jimraynor45
6 жыл бұрын
The only values they need to have is to repesct the rights of others.
@markomestrovic9997
6 жыл бұрын
It's not the same to bring an irish, german, or a spanish person and someone from the middle east or africa, the reason why it has succeded in the past is the base culture which was the same (christinaty). So the argument that there is no cultural problem is not a good kind of argument.
@TheFreekg
6 жыл бұрын
Marko Meštrović African migrants in the US actually have some of the highest average incomes, well above native citizens.
@Yetanotherytuser
6 жыл бұрын
Culture and Religion are 2 separate concepts. And actually, most african countries are very christian, so there you go.
@UnchainedEruption
6 жыл бұрын
It’s about culture, religion and race have nothing to do with culture.
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
Yetanotherytuser culture and religion go hand in hand. What the fuck is wrong with you? You like spouting shit.
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
SDC Smedly you mean Asians. Not Africans.
@joelandes5089
6 жыл бұрын
How funny the example for illegal immigrants not waiting in line in Mexico is that the line has over 1 million applicants in it. So if things take to long its ok to break the law. The logic here is mind numbing. It's amazing to me that people think this way and are willing to promote this mind set. Laws keep order and keep us safe you cannot be for breaking some laws and then rally against people who break other laws.
@homewall744
6 жыл бұрын
But you can ship your products and factories across borders manana...because they are more important than humans.
@debunkernator
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Reason, they are not going to vote libertarian, you want to import people with anti-libertarian ideology to vote for more socialism.
@homewall744
6 жыл бұрын
Because you know the political proclivities of all immigrants? Everyone in the USA comes from immigration, even the native americans.
@killercaos123
6 жыл бұрын
So not true. Most Central Americans are DEEPLY Catholic. They vote culturally conservative. Ya dumbass. lol
@debunkernator
6 жыл бұрын
We are not getting the best and brightest. You can keep your delusions i will stick with the reality. If their countries were libertarian, they would not be moving here for benefits and jobs. Their countries are what they are because of their culture.
@bustaballs
6 жыл бұрын
You're literally advocating for socialism by wanting a collectivist decision on what your neighbors are allowed to do on their own private property, which means private property doesn't really exist but rather is owned by the state. Being anti-private property is as anti-libertarian as it gets. If I want my buddies from Mexico and Iran to come work for me at my business or live in a house I own, that has nothing to do with you and you get zero say in the matter.
@debunkernator
6 жыл бұрын
No I am not. You are advocating for anarchism. If you want to have them on your property, you have to guarantee they wont go on my property. Can you do that? No? Do I get to them attack your property because you cannot contain them? We can play silly thought games all day but then there is this thing called "reality".
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
Three best actions to help immigration issue: 1. Decriminalize drugs. 2. Enact the Fair Tax plan. 3. Reduce the red tape in the legal immigration process.
@gaztons1115
6 жыл бұрын
The U.S should also stop providing foreign aid as it prolongs and exacerbates the issues at hand, there is a reason as to why foreign aid always flows from a democracy to a dictatorship. In essence the U.S should focus on preventing illegal immigration and not simply deterring it.
@libertylarry3224
6 жыл бұрын
put simply eliminate the state
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
Gaztons - I agree. There are many reasons to end foreign aid.
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
Liberty Larry - Or that.
@VinnieVolts
6 жыл бұрын
Liberty Larry and the immigrants you want in this country will never vote, petition, or voluntarily choose that. So your plan to end the state by importing people who demand big government is.. well. Good luck?
@FrostythaBroman
6 жыл бұрын
Sick lack of citations bro.
@yt3141
6 жыл бұрын
A brave effort to make your case. Would you be brave enough to also seek out someone who can provide well-supported counter arguments? I learned something from your points but suspect I might learn even more from an opposing perspective.
@sanosuke2999
6 жыл бұрын
Way to go reason TV, show a Spanish Speaking video (3:33) with the word Gringo Accents on top of the White Board. Gringo being a derogatory (racist) name for White Americans. Do they have a African American Accent course with the N word at the top of the the white board?
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
sanosuke2999 I got that too. I wonder if others picked that up.
@rxa177
6 жыл бұрын
Gringo isn't derogatory
@killercaos123
6 жыл бұрын
sanosuke2999 Dude ur acting like a lil bitch. "Stick and stones make brake my bones...... But Gringo is offensive to me." lmao
@MarcusofMenace
6 жыл бұрын
@@rxa177 it wasn't originally intended to be a racial term but people have used it as an insult enough for it to be seen as offensive
@napoliskey
6 жыл бұрын
I usually love this station. But they did the typical left wing bait and switch argument here. The say “illegal” immigration is good so here are 5 reasons why “legal” immigration is awesomeballs with a nice finish of “you’re racist” if you disagree.
@akbarshoed
6 жыл бұрын
God, so wrong! Wtf? To get more likes he should have spoken in Spanish.
@rchrdsn
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the presenter and most involved in this production live in areas with a high level of adepts of very different cultures like Islam, and if they have as many diverse friends.
@greg1030
8 ай бұрын
Of course, while politicians and corporations love it, "legal" immigration levels have been out of control in the US for the last three decades. Almost more than anything else, overimmigration has destroyed us living standards-driving up the cost and down the quality and quantity of every basic human necessity.
@antman1672
6 жыл бұрын
>Is libertarian >Wants millions of immigrants who come in to vote for bigger government.
@Jimraynor45
6 жыл бұрын
Ant Man In a libertarian society, you *can't* vote for a bigger government. The thing your missing, is that even if you took all the immigrants away, we'd still have a big government. Immigrants are not to blame for that, the natives are.
@antman1672
6 жыл бұрын
We don't live in a libertarian society. Maybe mass immigration can work in the libertarian utopia, but we have to work with what we have now.
@Jimraynor45
6 жыл бұрын
Ant Man What we have *now* is millions of immigrants! It wasn't too long ago that the United States was closer to Libertarian ideas. After-all, we were founded on Libertarian principles. We should restrict citizens in their ability to vote, instead of trying to hope that they vote in a way we want. What do you think would be easier to do: Deport millions of immigrants or reform our voting system and get rid of welfare? If immigrants couldn't vote and couldn't receive welfare, how much of a problem do you think they'd be? Both of these tasks are quite difficult of course, but guess what, the mass migration has already happened. Instead of focusing on that, which may actually be counterproductive, the focus must remain on reforming society.
@bustaballs
6 жыл бұрын
^ votes for bigger government to build walls ^ votes for government to have a say over private property and private businesses ^ votes for big government to violate the 4th amendment to find illegals ^ votes for bigger government to engage in mass deportation, destroying the lives of millions ^ claims to be proponent of freedom and small government
@antman1672
6 жыл бұрын
@Nicholas Smith Government already does all those things and more. It also created the incentive to come over and use the other people's tax money in the form of social service goodies. Anyone with a brain, knows social programs aren't going anywhere, they are too popular, even among republicans. Despite lolbertarians crowing about them for decades, they have accomplished nothing. Now their blind adherence to principle prevents them from stopping the destruction of the free market and freedoms (such as they are) that they love so much.
@antman1672
6 жыл бұрын
Something lolbertarians often forget is, mass immigration was largely responsibile for fdr and the new deal being so popular. Shocker, having a massive amount of poor people who have little chance to compete will cause them to vote for free stuff.
@mistermood4164
6 жыл бұрын
illegal cant vote.
@antman1672
6 жыл бұрын
Mister Mood I didn't say they could. I'm not a leftist, when I say immigrants I mean legal immigrants. Illegal immigrant's children, and other family members who are legal.
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
Mister Mood yes they can. Showing ID is not considered compulsory in elections. Project veritas has shown how illegals vote several times. Man, you are getting your ass kicked on this video.
@mistermood4164
6 жыл бұрын
voter fraud is practically non-existent www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
Mister Mood right. That’s a shit source.
@richdobbs6595
6 жыл бұрын
If immigration is good, then folks ought to be willing to pay for it. My suggestion to start up the market place is unlimited immigrants at a cost of 6 * per capita national debt, and 1 million slots to be auctioned to the highest bidders.
@richdobbs6595
6 жыл бұрын
BTW, one nice thing about the million slots is nativists or environmentalists could put their money behind their ideas and bid on the slots to leave them unused. Or high tech CEOs could bid on them for those valuable overseas workers that bring so much benefit to the American economy.
@EvidenceBasedMedsin
8 ай бұрын
I agree
@ryansarratt7520
4 жыл бұрын
Dont walk run productions, did a great takedown of this video
@moved2bitchute779
4 жыл бұрын
*Exceptional
@cheesemccheese5780
3 жыл бұрын
I like his videos.
@JA-kh1mo
6 жыл бұрын
I love your channel for its objective truth. Sadly, you have not lived up yo your own level with this video.
@2bRealist
6 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing O_o
@Yetanotherytuser
6 жыл бұрын
Objective Truth: Things I like Not-objective Truth: Things I don't like
@THApeanutMagician
6 жыл бұрын
Prove them wrong
@TKUA11
6 жыл бұрын
He obviously doesn’t care about the law or those that break them. Such as using fake social sec cards
@SORENEAGLE
6 жыл бұрын
This is the worst video I've seen from Reason. Andrew and Remi are great but this video is too quick to blur the lines between legal and illegal immigration. A thoughtful viewer can easily poke holes in each of your points and I think that's your audience. Now you have some work to do to repair your credibility...
@dillan3253
6 жыл бұрын
1. They're taking low wage jobs that often require them to rely on government assistance to get by while simultaneously paying very little into the system. I'm too of this, most people admit that they're jobs will be replaced by robots in the near future, meaning that they will soon be unemployed without marketable skills. 2. What Reason said about welfare was selectively chosen to appear as though they don't use it often. They do, and I encourage you to research this topic yourself. Not only are most immigrants as a whole on some kind of welfare program, but Hispanic immigrants specifically use it more than any other group and are diluted in the statistics by Asian, African, and European immigrants who actually succeed here. At the end of the day, immigrants take more out than they put in, therefore they are a drain of the system by definition. 3.They aren't paying ENOUGH taxes. And did they just try to justify illegals using fake social security cards?😂 4. "There is no line". Come on, Reason, are we supposed to pretend that a million immigrants don't cone here every year? Just because the line is long doesn't mean you skip it, and anyone who does should immediately by denied citizenship permanently. 5. If you import massive amounts of people from another culture, things will become more like that culture. This is common sense. Mexico isn't a shithole for some magical reason, it's a shithole because Mexican culture has turned it into a shithole. Mexicans don't come here because they love America, they come here because they love our money. They will gladly take our money and keep their culture.
@mistermood4164
6 жыл бұрын
in the video he stated when there aren't anymore jobs migrants tend to go back to their country.
@mistermood4164
6 жыл бұрын
they didn't, more Mexicans were leaving than coming in during 08-14.
@darksideblues135
6 жыл бұрын
Mister Mood it was the welfare denials that sent them packing. Not lack of jobs. Please.
@dannyboy765ify
4 жыл бұрын
Also, alot of the money earned by illegal immigrants isnt paid back into the system through US investment or through US business purchases, but is sent back to family in their country of origin
@trolololololll
6 жыл бұрын
Imigrants from Europe were great for Native americans. Imigrants from Europe were great for the arabs in Israel Imigrants from china were great for Tibet Natives Imigrants from turk tribes,central Ásia were great for byzantines/greeks.Should I Go on?
@chuckkline2970
6 жыл бұрын
Oh...I thought he might actually have some valid points. His points were half reasoned at best. He is good at spinning things though...LOL
@captainpatchwork8107
6 жыл бұрын
Not an argument.
@UnchainedEruption
6 жыл бұрын
Argument 3: Misleading statistics. Yes, illegal immigrants pay taxes, that is true. However, what is important to consider is *how much* they actually contribute in taxes. Notice you left that part out. There’s a reason they’re emigrating to the U.S. illegally, and I’m going to bet it’s not because they’re super-rich. If they’re already working menial jobs at prices lower than what Americans here expect, their contributions to taxes would be absolutely miniscule. The point isn’t that they don’t contribute at all, but that in the grand scheme of things the tax revenue gained from them will be next to nothing while the costs of medical bills, litigation for criminal activity, welfare, etc. far exceed the amount gained from taxation.
@Longanlon
6 жыл бұрын
Uncontrolled immigration of unskilled workers and women and children will always create public pressure for expanding the welfare state and more government intervention "to help the poor".
@libertylarry3224
6 жыл бұрын
So it's a matter of educating the public about the ineffectiveness of the welfare state rather than restricting immigration.
@Longanlon
6 жыл бұрын
yeah, bet on an "educated public", that's always a safe bet...
@libertylarry3224
6 жыл бұрын
If the public can not be educated how do you hope to implement restrictions on immigration, which in your opinion are the educated thing to do?
@Yetanotherytuser
6 жыл бұрын
So will poor people in you own country that have a lot of children, and they are propotionally more than new immigrants. Are you for not letting those people breed?
@libertylarry3224
6 жыл бұрын
@Escorpion Venenoso 1. The more people on welfare the less sustainable the welfare state becomes. 2. You are making the same assumptions that left-wingers make that people can not escape the "class" in which they where born and this is simply not the case.
@fiscalcape9807
6 жыл бұрын
Also disingenuous about1/3 immigrants now marrying outside of ethnic groups. He said it's the same as the 1990s... umm yeah because that's when we still had the majority of our immigrants coming from Mexico so of course it should be the same as back then... I'd like to see some credible info on how many European immigrants marry outside their ethnic group back long before the 1990s. Because back then it was majority Europeans immigrating to the US
@shadowninja958
6 жыл бұрын
We don't need to remove or reduce immigration, we need to regulate it from countries we know won't actually cause issues.
@nondualitybliss8582
5 жыл бұрын
How will you guys at Reason react when they vote Hugo Chavez, Jr President of the United States of America for life? Look at the polls on what they believe in, it's not libertarianism.
@ironman1233
6 жыл бұрын
1:47 "they are not paying taxes" so they avoided getting robbed
@brainplay8060
6 жыл бұрын
1) The argument isn't about taking jobs. They argument being made here is that they make things cheaper. The problem with this argument is that it's a strawman. There are legal methods like guest worker programs that could do the same without rewarding people for breaking our laws. I would much rather have a vetted person with a work visa than an illegal alien with no background check. 2) Illegal aliens use welfare programs at lower rates than US citizens ignores the fact that they still use them. Then we get conflicting facts about how they only account for 2% yet their usage rate while lower shows them to be more than 2%. This is muddling the waters because the 2% is from SSI and federal programs rather than local programs and emergency services. It's hard to take this seriously when they show native born using Medicaid at 29% and illegals at a whopping 19%. Other studies have shown how large of a drain they are on local services and one of the big causes of hospital cost inflation in some areas. Then he brings up labor force participation. Since their jobs often pay little they fall into poverty rates which allows them to use these services as supplementary. 3) They pay taxes...by using illegal means to fool the government. Yeah that's a hard one to pin down since we have so little information. We know it happens, we just don't how many do it rather than taking untaxed under the table money. Many employers pay cash to "contractors". That absolves the workplace from having to deal with payroll taxes. Changing their status may gain us more taxes as many would become legal employees. However, there's a big difference between pathway to citizenship and temporary residency. You even noted question #1 that many leave when the jobs dry up. 4) The waiting line has been impacted by the huge rate of illegal immigration. Furthermore there is a huge conflation here between receiving citizenship and receiving temporary or permanent residency. Temporary residency is easy to get and wouldn't be impacted by chain migration removal. Again we go back to statement #1 and talk about temporary residency programs for workers. 5) Cultural destruction argument. This one is more about migration en masse. Yes those arguments were made in the past about other groups. Yes those other groups influenced our culture quite a bit. However, unlike other countries, the US was a melting pot at the time and was still developing a culture. The people who came over take several generations to assimilate to that melting pot. Those coming over today have no interest in being part of our culture. They're here for a job. And as you mentioned in statement #1 many go home when the jobs dry up. We want people who really want to be citizens. Not people who want that title so that they can get a job and create enclaves that don't assimilate. Yes by the 3RD generation. Not the 1st. Not the 2nd. THE THIRD GENERATION is when English is dominant. By that point their children's children are so removed from their predecessors culture and language that its natural and frankly necessary. That's not a decent argument to make in favor of illegal immigration since English is a requirement for legal 1st gen immigrants. There is no 2nd generation gap. I'm disappointed in Reason over this video. I expected much better than watching someone make the same progressive arguments that conflate legal and illegal immigration. This could have been done so much better.
@watchdealer11
6 жыл бұрын
1. End all entitlements. 2. Open borders. I'm happy.
@Monaleenian
3 жыл бұрын
And when the new arrivals outnumber the natives and vote to re-establish all entitlement programs?
@danielferris152
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe wages are rising *because* immigrants are returning home. But the biggest problem is voting. They overwhelmingly vote for larger government. Earlier waves didn't.
@mix3k818
6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Just one hour since the upload and it already has over 70 dislikes more than likes.
@theredwriter
6 жыл бұрын
I agree with some of your points in the video above, but some of the points are more opinion than fact. This is the first time I've been caught off guard by how inaccurate some of your points are. In the past, even if I disagree with a video, I would have enjoyed learning something new, something I can actually research and confirm the objective truth of. However, this video doesn't fit that criteria. For the first time, I'm having to down vote a video, primarily just for spreading misinformation on some of the points. The old argument of, "Illegal immigrants perform labor Americans don't want to do" is absolutely untrue. What American citizens do not want to do is work for pennies on the dollar, essentially slave labor. In California, USA, there are hundreds of thousands of migrating illegal immigrants who work seasonally, moving from location to location, and getting paid under the table, less than half the legal minimum wage. Most of them are forced to live in completely inhumane and unsafe conditions; luxury conditions are typically multiple families packed into a single bedroom apartment. These "dreamers" are entirely taken advantage of, many times being told that if they complain about conditions, they'll be reported to immigration services and deported. That's not a better life, that's slavery with extra steps.
@GinEric84
6 жыл бұрын
I don't care how long the line is, there are long lines at Disney World and if I think the rules don't apply to me and I cut them, they kick my ass out
@donalgodon
6 жыл бұрын
To begin with the biggest big picture: It is a myth that American agriculture is dominated by illegal-immigrant labor, and that enforcing U.S. labor laws would either shut down farms around the country, as the most hysterical critics claim, or result in wildly higher food prices. The evidence does not support this position or anything close to that position. Most illegals do not work in agriculture - only about 4 percent of the illegal-immigrant population is employed in farming. In no state is farming the predominant occupation of illegal immigrants; even in places such as California, where labor-intensive fruit-and-vegetable farming attracts a relatively large illegal workforce, the main occupations of illegals are in hospitality (restaurants and hotels), services, and transportation. Likewise, most of the people working in agriculture are not illegals: The great majority of the farming workforce is composed of legal workers, with illegals constituting about one-fourth of the total. Illegals make up a larger share of the farm workforce than they do any other labor pool, but they remain a small though not inconsequential minority of workers. Here is the data: www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/share-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers-in-production-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/
@wooki321
6 жыл бұрын
I dont really understand the mental gymnastics necessary to believe in free trade + closed borders
@homewall744
6 жыл бұрын
cristi1990an No, he means why can capital and goods move freely across a border but a human is prohibited by law.
@cristian-si1gb
6 жыл бұрын
Ah! Sorry wooki, I didn't read your comment properly... Have an upvote.
@wooki321
6 жыл бұрын
np m8
@AcidicMentality
6 жыл бұрын
If you trade you are exchanging property or money. People arn't money or property. No gymnastics involved.
@wooki321
6 жыл бұрын
potential workforce is just as much a part of the market as money and property
@richdobbs6595
6 жыл бұрын
Just a couple of questions, Nick. If immigrants only suppress wages by 5%, why are they willing to take these jobs that natives are not? Why exactly is labor force participation so low for prime age males? Why are illegal immigrants more attractive to employers than natives? Why are H1B visa holders more attractive to IT employers than natives? If immigration, both legal and illegal, were lowered, do you think that there might be less tolerance for the low labor force participation rate, generous welfare benefits including guaranteed student loans? What is the long term interaction between taking in immigrants now and future job loss from automation and artificial intelligence?
@connordougherty3844
3 жыл бұрын
Can you provide detailing sourcing for point 2 please? Last 2 CIS reports seem to detail something very different that what you're saying
@gorgon1863
6 жыл бұрын
Terrible set of arguments, sounds like the sort self justifications you might hear around a cheap middle class dinner party on why its OK to have an illegal maid and get her husband to look after the car and her brother in law to fix the plumbing.
@crissd8283
6 жыл бұрын
I think that #5 is the most reasonable argument and one that I support. We can't just let everyone in.
@CaedusRising
6 жыл бұрын
All of this ignores the fact that immigrants tend to not have Libertarian oriented ideals or political beleifs. Thus destroying any chance for smaller Government in America. Freedom yes, but freedom in a closed system that only allows those that beleive in it to stay.
@deplorablepiratecaptaingunberd
6 жыл бұрын
See Dr Jordan Peterson’s video on borders and The Rageaholic’s video on Why We Need The Wall!!!! And a nation without borders isn’t a nation!
@MINE92183
6 жыл бұрын
WOW! Reason I usually trust what you post, but I have to say I have friends and family members that are first gen immigrates and their first hand experiences show me that your arguments on welfare, waiting in line and don't pay taxes are wrong. From my undocumented Immigrant neighbor who builds houses to my friend who has a mechanical engineering degree and had to wait for 8 years before he could even come into this country from Cuba, I could write a book of examples. As for cultural destruction the only real impact I see is everyone wanting me to speak Spanish ( not that big of a deal). as for jobs I tend to believe there are plenty of jobs for those who are willing to work. I really am disappointed in this peace because it just show that ReasonTV's commitment to journalistic integrity isn't what I though it was.
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
You have a right about who comes into your house, but do you have a right to decide who goes into your neighbor's house?
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
Martin Rheaume - Collectivist what? Things to abolish, repeal or change; partial list: necessary and proper clause general welfare clause commerce clause footnote four government schools Tariffs Federal Reserve FDIC IRS 16th Amendment 17th Amendment War Powers Resolution public sector unions antitrust laws Social Security Medicare Medicaid student loans Community Reinvestment Act war on mind-altering substances IMF World Bank HUD FHA FDA EPA FCC NLRB NLRA Certificate of Need Ethanol Mandate National Flood Insurance Program Insider Trading Laws Professional Licensing Civil Asset Forfeiture Laws Transportation Security Administration Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act minimum wage Obamacare National Defense Authorization Act Sugar Program Agriculture Adjustment Act (AAA)
@dillan3253
6 жыл бұрын
I don't care about Canada's immigration policies
@antman1672
6 жыл бұрын
When your neighbor can get together and vote to take away your house, yes, yes you do have a right.
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ - you might want to reread my comment slowly.
@feartheghus
6 жыл бұрын
2VNews only an idiot thinks we need to remove the general welfare clause for the same reason only an idiot thinks they meant welfare like we have today, it was a statement of reason for why they made the constitution
@marksanders2168
2 жыл бұрын
Anglos hating on immigration all while being immigrants themselves. Lol
A rebuttal for this video in 10 seconds flat: America is an IDEA. Bringing in millions of people with conflicting IDEAS and let them influence politics will inevitably collapse the IDEAS that made the US prosperous in the 1st place.
@rightfulfuture4
7 ай бұрын
it's all intentional, that's why they want them to vote
@alexgichmartinez4477
4 ай бұрын
… us was founded by inmigrants wtf. Also it is not a monolyth, there are various ideas and interpretations of what USA is or should be. Pretending not is just trying to impose your view, wich is pretty authoritarian
@kareleebear1
6 жыл бұрын
My sons lost their jobs as skilled block masons to illegals. Those illegals were paid less and were paid OFF THE BOOKS!!!! Therefore, they paid NO INCOME OR SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES!!!! THE LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS NEED TO BE ENFORCED.
@guymella
6 жыл бұрын
I like libertarianism because it is based on rational self interest... this immigration argument you presented is the furthest thing from rational. and the furthest thing from self interest. so lets count all they ways you are wrong. 1. They take our jobs and lower wages. (absolutely and obviously true) your spin and cherry picked data are too easy to dismantle. - immigration is by definition an increase in the labor supply. (particularly the low/no skill labor supply) basic rules of supply and demand unequivocally mean that an increase in the supply equates to a decrease the clearing price for labor; thus a decrease in wages. the means by which this happens is that immigrants underbid native taxpayers for jobs, = they dont take jobs from taxpayers, they take job opportunities. thus natives don't immediately lose the jobs they have, but the more immigrants are bidding for jobs, the fewer jobs they will be able to get in the future. Entire industries have slowly turned to 100% NEW immigrant labor over the course of the last 50 years. These companies refuse to hire anybody who has citizenship, more specifically they refuse to hire anybody who has rights and valued skills. As soon as an immigrant in these jobs gets citizenship, education and language skills they are fired before they can ask for a raise. -Mexican immigrants have ALREADY displaced the entirety of blacks in low/no skill labor. Blacks now have NO job opportunities at all. immigrants have also displaced the majority of unskilled whites and other ethnicity but not to the extent that blacks workers have been displaced. -wages being depressed by only 5%. whos ass did you pull this out of. America has a federal minimum wage. Almost all low/no skill laborers are working FOR the minimum wage. let me tell you how minim wage works. - you get paid starting at the legal minimum, - at the end of the year you get mandated 5% raise, - your company fires you and hires somebody else at minimum wage because there are so many immigrants around, they don't need to be paying you 5% more than minimum wage. - The statisticians look at the data and see that immigration only depresses wages from 5% above absolute legal minimum to the absolute legal minimum. because of minimum wage, its impossible to quantitatively measure the full effect of the wage depression. They conclude the actual wage depression must be MUCH MUCH higher but its impossible to measure - Some unscrupulous asshole (/ a shitty reporter) claims that wages are only affected by 5%. repeats this statistic without any of the caveats (its guaranteed to be much higher) 2. They're using massive amounts of welfare. (your stats prove this to be true, just got to look past your obvious data manipulation) - they use healthcare (2% of all spending) also they have children who became "naturalized" and those children also use massive amounts of healthcare. (10% of all spending). convinient how you gave the statistic for total national spending instead of government spending. as a percentage of total spending its about 2% as a percentage of (government/institutional/uncovered=taxpayer) spending its closer to 20% and their children who are "naturalized" make up another 50% of taxpayer spending on health care. and thats the problem. taxpayer spending is supposed to catch "Taxpayers" in that safety net. 0.0001% is too high a number for "taxpayers" to be paying for "non-taxpayers" health care. - 1:35 your chart shows splits immigrants into two categories just so you can mislead about the numbers. native born = citizen, naturalized = immagrant, non citizen = immagrant. so lets just add your numbers back up into that category that you claim to be talking about. and for simplicity we will just assume that anybody who is not native born is some kind of immigrant. though we should keep in mind that your "native born" category definitly includes Anchor babies and second generation immagrants. -Medicaid: native-born = 25.6%, non-native born = 74.6% = 3/4 goes to non natives, 1/4 gets split between anchor babies, second gen immigrants and deserving citizense. (whos parents and grandparents have been paying onto the program since its inception.) -SNAP: native-born = 32.5%, non-native = 67.5% = 2/3 to non natives , 1/3 split between anchor babies, sencond gens and deserving citizense. -SSI: native born: 7% percent, 11.5% non- native (funny how this one is obviously pecent of population using service and the rest of your statistics percent of service being used by population. ) its almost like you manipulated all the data untill it showed what you wanted it to show. -and the final stat. illegal immigrants have more jobs per capital than legal immigrants who have more jobs per capital than native-citizens. (nice state, it PROVES you were lying about your first argument. so they dont take jobs from natives but they do have less than half as much unemployment as natives. 3.They don't pay their fair share. ( obviously its impossible for an immigrant to ever pay the same portion as a native citizen) -they pay the same sales tax and property taxes (PER YEAR) unfortunate they have only been here for 3 days so the total tax contribution from a new immigrant family is measured in tens of dollars. native families (who have been hear since before income tax was invented , 100 years ago) get to measure their families total tax contributions during the course of citizenship in the tens of millions of dollars. 10/10 million = THEY DONT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE lest be generous. if they pay 20 years worth of back taxes for each parent and 10 years worth of additional back taxes for each child they have, then we can call it square. that should be enough to have their contribution register for all the schools, healthcare, roads and infrastructure they start using literally the second they arrive having never paid a single dime toward such costs to society. if all of the education health and infrastructure was privatized and you pay as you go, (AN ACTUAL LIBERTARIAN IDEAL) then obviously they can use it as much as they can afford. like everybody else. 4. they aren't waiting in line, They're bringing all their relatives. (obviously they arent waiting in line, and you prove they are bringing their families) -we are bringing in 65,000-100,000 per year legally, (yep) and yet 600,000 new ones sow up each year in California alone. (so obviously, they aren't waiting in line) -the wait list has 1.4 million people on it. (ok) -there is no chance of ever getting in. (HUH? you are still REALLY bad at math. 1.4 million / 65k-100k per year = wait-list is 14 -20 years. in the previouse argument we saw that they should pay 20 years worth of back taxes before they come in, so giving them 14 -20 years notice to come up with those back taxes is just about perfect. However we don't even require that now, so all they have to do is sit tight and wait, maybe spend 14 years learning English, getting temporary work visas where they can start paying that tax deffecit they bring with them... you know, INTEGRATING. -also, not sure if you heard, humans live longer than 14 years, so the math says they are guaranteed to get in within 14 years, which is literally the exact opposite of "no chance of ever getting in"... which is what you said... you moron! 5. They're not assimilating. (again you demonstrate how obvious that is) -1/3 marry outside their ethnicity. (so 1/3 assimilate) - how many Irish and Italians are willing to marry other assimilated Americans, learned the language and taught their kids the language and culture...? (all of them) -how long have Mexicans had to learn a culture of assimilation? - 500 years and they are at 30% willing to assimilate -how long did it take European immigrants to fully assimilate? - 30-40 year to get to 100% assimilation. i think you might be overlooking some obvious red flags. -so lets break your logic down - 1/3 of Mexicans marry for a green card... (proof they assimilate) - most Irish and Italians 5-10th gen citizens don't call themselves Irish or Italian anymore and also speak English good too ... (proof that Mexicans will eventually assimilate?) = WORST LOGIC EVER This is by far the worst spin i have ever seen from ReasonTV. Its so obvious, pathetic and self contradictory that i couldn't help but tear it to pieces. if Reason pushes this delusional immigration bullshit anymore i'm going to have to unsubscribe on principal. here is how society works 1. economy , free markets. 2. public trust, strong charity. 3. immigration and labor investment arbitrage. 4. Government intervention, safety nets, redistribution. you cannot have any returns from later categories unless you take away from previous categories you can have 100% ROI from free markets alone if you want a benefit from public trust; society by definition, must take that economic power away from free markets any benefit you get from immigration; by definition must be taken out of public trust and the economy any benefit you get from government intervention; comes at the expense of the economy, public trust, and immigration. you are libertarians. If you prop up immigration before you reduce government... then make no mistake about it. -You are stealing from the economy and the public trust. no exceptions. i get that you don't want people to demonize immigration, because without government intervention immigration wouldn't actually be a problem at all. it would be entirely self regulated by the free market. But here is the thing. instead of making up bullshit statistics to try and defend immigration destructive effect on social safety nets and public trust. MAYBE you should be using the real statistics to prove that the problem is that the government policies are being taken advantage of by immigrants. don't lie about immigrants cheating on taxes and medicaid tell the truth, to get rid of taxes and Medicaid
@Oldcollegework
6 жыл бұрын
Well said. All the fake libertarians are getting triggered but it’s true.
@julien8629
6 жыл бұрын
With such an extensive wellfare state, its dishonest to say the immigrants who come in are the same as a lichtenstein cardiovascular surgeon who arrived in 1970.
@drd105
6 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the sentiment, but I wish you were right on the argument. Your argument has a major flaw in it. It's the same argument as saying that "Sadam didn't have weapons of mass destruction". It's the argument that status quo can be expected to continue even when trends are changing. That's just wrong. It's not a reasonable thing to expect. Asking that immigration drop down to Clinton-era numbers is not anti-immigrant. It's steming the tide. By the way, most 1st generation (US-born) immigrants traditionally had spoken English at home (with each other) -- not 3rd.
@jgunner280
6 жыл бұрын
1) Yeah this has been pretty much debunked for a while, especially in some regions where immigrants are the only ones actually taking some jobs. They're more willing to work from the bottom up, or... just the bottom. Meanwhile I've seen and heard stories of regulars and student types take a common job, and then just ditch it not even after a full day. That's anecdotal of course, and I'm sure it's also just as possible somewhere out there an illegal did take a job from someone else, but as a broader concept it's not a major issue. 2) The welfare is the problem, and needs greater restrictions. Period. That's barely even an immigrant deal, we just need to talk about the welfare system. IF illegals were to be getting too invested into it, we need to ask ourselves how that's even possible and why it's allowed. 3) Nailed this perfectly with the last bit. The problem is in their status, if you're not supposed to be here, you're likely not going to be in some major part of the system where you're treated as a citizen paying taxes. Work on the legal system to get them into the legal system. 4) ...and this is the legal system. Yup, government is slow and inefficient, not too much of a big surprise. I don't know precisely what we need to do to fix this up, but we should certainly work on that. I'm all for legal immigrants, and yet I also understand a need to ensure they're safe and good contributing people. We really should push them to get legalized, but we should also make sure the system itself is working. 5) Okay so there's some merit to this one in our current day and context, because what's going on in europe is cultural destruction. However that's because of government allowed (or even paid for in other countries) mass flow of immigrants from a war torn country nothing like our own, and arriving with culture shock. Sometimes, they're bringing elements of that war in with them. This is why we need #4 to be a thing in working order, we need safe and good people. I'm also a slight bit disappointed in Reason for not covering things like how governments are going out of their way to import these people in, not immigrating them naturally. This form of cultural issues isn't even up for debate, it's actually happening and an effect you can actively see, and hear politicians, crime rates, and so on actively respond to without good results because they're just letting it happen. I'm *not* in favor of this cultural destruction argument being applied too loosely though, as it's historically and factually wrong to just assume anybody from a country that isn't like yours can't assimilate in and work hard in our society. What we need though is to make sure we've still got a system in place to make the right calls and to discern what's an ambitious guy looking to move from a bad country, versus a guy who's just being thrown out of a bad country and decided he could walk into another and bring a bit of it with him. ...and if you're worried about said immigrants pushing us into a bigger government, take a good long look into the mirror. That's going to be human nature with unchecked democracy, and why full democracy is a problem. Like with point #2-4, your problem would be with the government and the way the system is set up, not directly the immigration.
@redbeard8435
2 жыл бұрын
If immigrant workers are so good for the United States why are the countries they're coming from doing so poorly?
@sock7481
2 жыл бұрын
Because they don't get paid enough in their countries
@user4136_
Жыл бұрын
@@sock7481 neither do we
@sock7481
Жыл бұрын
@@user4136_ get paid way more than the immirgants. Do some research. Some live like $10 a month.
@user4136_
Жыл бұрын
@@sock7481 there has to be some order though!!! Our systems are being over run...the citizens of the United States is being put last...
@BernardTheMandeville
6 жыл бұрын
Could be me but I thought the current problem was with illegal immigration and illegal immigrants undercutting the wages of our citizens. Nobody has a problem with legal immigration. Cultural change is more of a problem in the EU with the current migrant and refugee crisis.
@martinrheaume5393
6 жыл бұрын
First of all, if nobody has a problem with illegal immigration why are they trying to decrease the numbers of legal immigration. Second of all, why should the government micromanage the flow of human beings to manipulate wages?
@richdobbs6595
6 жыл бұрын
Actually, there are a fair number of folks that feel the current H1B visa program is indentured servitude used to drive down the cost of labor for software development. A merit based system would have less negative impacts.
@akbarshoed
6 жыл бұрын
Johan van Oldenbarnevelt I know. He's really making an argument for slavery to an extent
@gregkillborn
6 жыл бұрын
Reason, I agree with you guys almost 100 percent, but no way on this one.
@jonathanchowkai3654
3 жыл бұрын
Why
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
Either you believe in freedom and markets (including the labor market) or you don't.
@deeplorable8988
6 жыл бұрын
Freedom within a system, yes. 7 billion people on this planet. Of which half live in desperate poverty. Unrestricted immigration would allow all those willing to work for slave wages to enter the country. Eventually turning our country into a third world hellhole too. Of course, there will still be the 1% super rich that benefit from slaves. But, the vast majority will fall into poverty and become welfare recipients. Think with more nuance, not just ideologically.
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
Dee Plorable - You seem to not understand how markets work. Study up on that.
@lokiopensloloc5680
6 жыл бұрын
If you think that unregulated immigration helps economies and the people it comprises of then you're remarkably economically illiterate. Reason TV omits reason 6, that is that if you are being forced to take immigrants by an external force such as the EU then you should oppose it for the sake of your national economy. Libertarianism works within a national context, not an international one. Self placed barriers don't contradict Libertarian values.
@2vnews902
6 жыл бұрын
Lokio Pens Loloc - You seem to not understand how markets work. Study up on that.
@deeplorable8988
6 жыл бұрын
2VNews You seem to not have an argument. *Study up on that*
@scotta6823
6 жыл бұрын
Reason TV is usually just that. Huuuuge fail on this one.
@carlossegovia3011
6 жыл бұрын
Immigration could be a good thing. But massive immigration will replace the culture of the host country and the reason why people immigrate in the first place is because their home culture sucks when it comes to create wealth, nevertheless they carry this culture with them.
@williamrebune5588
5 жыл бұрын
Americans for America Is that hard???
@danieljasmer8559
6 жыл бұрын
Very skeptical about those percentages and how they calculated them.
@sirazazeloflowkey6424
6 жыл бұрын
Astonishing how many people in this comment section underestimate the fragile nature of our relative freedom and democracy in places like United States and Europe. Freedom in this sence is not a God given right or some natural force. Freedom is relative and ours has been fought for long and hard. Much blood has beem shed by ancestors to establish this. And while we already quite willingly and graciously invite a multitude of others to come join us in enjoying these fruits and riches we only ask that we, those already here (immigrant myself, a legal one to be precise and currently the holder of the nationality as well.) , get to choose who we let in. Rather than say thank you and communicate with us on how to better this process, these ungrateful people break our laws, disrespect our cultures and societies and force their way in. Rather than call them back and tell them to stop some RETARDED people come to their aid with videos and comments like these. Please tell me where you live...I am currently homeless, you see. I am thinking of illegaly breaking and entering and the shouting you down when you complain. Also do you people, the ones immigrating in this case, not realize that if we move all of Mexico to the USA for example it will become a country you will yet again flee from? Because Mexico, the Geographical physical location, has never done you wrong, like Africa which is far more fruitful for both Agriculture and Tourism than Europe, so does Mexico have this with the states. Please understand thatbin essence...you are running from other Mexicans. I ran from friggin Russia, so I made sure to fucken assimilate, otherwise I could just as well stay in Russia. Also, I am homless right now because our European government needs to house a shit ton of refugees in a country that already had a severe housing shortage problem before they even came. There is friends of mine who were born here but are of middle eastern descend who literally are concidering destroying their passport and come in to a refugee centre pretending not to speak the language to finnaly receive a home of their own and an 700 euro pension. Might sound like a little until you've worked for less than that and have waited to get a home for over 8 years and still waiting. I am 30, been waiting since I turned 21, placed on a list and all. Not to forget freedom can be voted out of existance if we allow people in who don't share our core values. Hence the selection process. Unchecked immigration, the so called , no border policy is the end of freedom. Those who seek a boarderless immigration policy are either those that want to get in or those already in who have taken what they have for granted. Rome too had fallen.
@sirazazeloflowkey6424
6 жыл бұрын
Ohw yeah...and...unsubscribed.
@KrisBrightIdeas
6 жыл бұрын
There aren't many issues libertarians disagree on, but judging by the like/dislike ratio on this video, immigration is one of them. I think the immigration issue separates the wayward-republicans from the true libertarians. "The free market can solve all our issues! ... Except immigration, we need the state to decide who to sell our land to and who we can hire."
@lokiopensloloc5680
6 жыл бұрын
You guys can be spot on. Here you are dead wrong.
@jesseward4115
6 жыл бұрын
I am all for legal immigration and would support increased legal immigration but anyone who broke our laws as an adult by illegally entering or staying in this country should be deported. You talk about how if they "get in line" they will never get a chance but why should criminals(which is what an illegal is) get to be citizens before people who are trying to be legal immigrants. And I have to agree with Rand Paul when he said that not everyone who wants to be an American can be. When my ancestors came to this country from Denmark most of their family stayed in Denmark including their adult children. Which is why my grandma still has first cousins in Denmark.
@holycrapchris
6 жыл бұрын
Deporting people who broke the law in the past may produce worse social outcomes. Consider a Dreamer who crossed the border as a child. They're now an adult employed as a nurse. If she is deported, who benefits? Not her, not her employer, not the patients, and not society, who would rather have law enforcement focused on violent crimes. An illegal immigrant who is not a contributing member to society? That's a different story.
@jesseward4115
6 жыл бұрын
Which is why I said people who came into this country as an adult should be deported. If you came in while under 18 or were born in the US by an illegal than you absolutely should get citizenship but your parents and other family, back of the line. Law breakers should not get rewarded over people who are trying to follow the law.
@BrotherWoody1
6 жыл бұрын
I get it & then they vote for Democrats.
@Crazy_Gamer_OG
6 жыл бұрын
When *ReasonTV* loses all reason.
@bsabruzzo
6 жыл бұрын
Now hold on, are you just using federal stats for things like welfare usage? Or are you including the states payments from their budgets and tax revenue? If you don't include the states in that, you are missing a lot of payment or stats that illegal immigrants get on local levels that are not received from federal ones.
@chilimacx9138
6 жыл бұрын
"All cultures are equal"- Reasontv
@yvesgomes
6 жыл бұрын
My first dislike in ReasonTV.
@sparkymtgal
6 жыл бұрын
Best way to take care of the illegal immigrant problem is to send them back. PERIOD. No Illegals, np problem. Here in Denver it is disgusting what they do. Killing people in accidents, lying to employers. Cutting corners at work. We dont need this.
@mix3k818
6 жыл бұрын
I'm not even sure what to say about this video. I'm okay with refugees and even a few economic migrants, but we should also be able to monitor who's a future criminal or even worse a terrorist.
@VindulaP
5 жыл бұрын
Agree. We should hire soothsayers into our immigration department.
@Bastogne1944
6 жыл бұрын
All of these dislikes but no refutes. How pathetically triggered these right wing SJW's can be at times.
@libertylarry3224
6 жыл бұрын
There where already dislikes before they could have even watched the whole video.
@anonony9081
6 жыл бұрын
General S. Patton I see refutations. Open your eyes!
@VinnieVolts
6 жыл бұрын
The funniest part about that statement is your avatar.
@chris0000924
6 жыл бұрын
Refer to my comment
@stvargas69
6 жыл бұрын
Right wing sjw? Ya crazy
@tobyjenny7622
6 жыл бұрын
I call bull Shit
@azomer4856
6 жыл бұрын
I like reason TV, but sometimes they say stuff that i seem like lies. More dislikes than likes on a video means the video failed
@benjaminperez969
6 жыл бұрын
Likes aren't evidence for anything other than likes. (Example: If more flat earthers hit dislike on a geology video, that wouldn't be evidence that the video failed.)
@BitcoinMotorist
6 жыл бұрын
Well, there more likes now but whether a position is popular or not is a poor way to measure it's validity. 200 years ago it was a minority opinion that slavery is immoral.
@Yetanotherytuser
6 жыл бұрын
My video exposing some scam artist who created a cult arround her, saying he was abducted by angelic aliens has a lot of dislikes because of members of her cult are manly the ones looking at the video. Does that mean I'm wrong and her cult is right?
@OddTJ
4 жыл бұрын
Okay, a lot to unpack here... Reason does at least try to delineate between legal and illegal immigration. However, they dip between the two often and quickly. This combined with poor citations makes it either poor production or an attempt to obsfucate their arguments. As well, they seem to be OK with the illegal part here. Most of their arguments stem from the illegal immigrants not meaningfully impacting the market. That isn't the point for most people, it's that they broke the law. Argue to change the law, alright. Reason seemes to be arguing that the law should be ignored as the effects of breaking it are inconsequential. 1) Maybe Reason staff make well above minimum wage, but a 5% drop for someone barely making it is huge. That impact cannot be overlooked. Also, the cost to consumers that woukd be seen if we no longer used sub-minimum-wage illegal labor is actually unknowable. You can never know how a single factor will impact market pricing. 2) This is interesting, as here Reason continues to argue against current immigration law by employing another. Many people do not agree that children born to illegal immigrants should be naturalized. It is a law that one time made sense. It may not now, but Reason takes this as unassailable fact for their argument. As well, it does not matter if the slice is small as they should get no slice of the welfare pie. Finally, 2% of all emergency medical spending is a huge amount of actual dollars; this argument is incredibly ignorant on their part. 3) So the argument against illegal immigrants not paying their share is that 50% of them sort of do? Okay, so I guess we thank Reason here for supporting that argument! 4) Wait, so the Reason argument here is that non citizens may not get into the USA in their lifetime so dodging the legal process is understandable but the citizens in example 1 with a potential 5% pay decrease from illegal immigration should suck it up?! Just... wow. It's a good thing much of Reason's interviews are high quality because this alone almost got me to unsub. 5) I can't find a real hole here. I think a lot of people see the new-ish affinity to ex-US culture by multi-generational Americans as a sign of lack of assimilation rather than what it is: US demands for consumption becoming more global.
@unapolagetic
6 жыл бұрын
Five best arguments my ass. The single and only argument need is that immigrants vote overwhelmingly for left wing policies. End of discussion.
@josephahner3031
6 жыл бұрын
Ever wonder if that's because you want to deport them?
@unapolagetic
6 жыл бұрын
Leftist rule all over Latin America.
@Jimraynor45
6 жыл бұрын
Judging and condemning an immigrant just because they may be leftwing sounds like censorship to me. So worried about them, you won't even give them a chance? How are you any different from a left-wing person who wants right wing people banned from KZitem and etc?
@kelkil79
6 жыл бұрын
1960: USA 90% White and Christian ethno-state which was very prosperous, united, and strong. The USA was culturally, linguistically, and ethnically united. The various European peoples who immigrated Voluntarily abandoned their cultures and identities to merge with the larger American populace. Within 60 years after the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 America has become a caricature of division and social strife, only getting worse by the year. The ideas that "diversity is a strength" is laughable and without the slightest degree of provability. White people are increasingly being discriminated against and demonized more and more; so what will be their fate when they become a minority? Why should Whites advocate for their own dispossession and destruction?
@Jimraynor45
6 жыл бұрын
Thought Criminal, America's strength did not come because it was mostly white, but because it embraced the ideas of liberty and free markets. Through history, there have been plenty of homogeneous nations that have failed spectacularly. Look at North Korea today, probably like 99% all Korean, yet its a dumpster. The same with Venezuela, Cuba and others. America is falling due to socialistic policies, that did start heavily in the 1960's with Great Society programs and general growth in government, but blaming it all on immigration is just scapegoating. The immigrants didn't create welfare, the natives did. I believe that even if you could go back in time and stop all the immigration from happening, we'd still be in a mess today. It's even possible things could be worse, but who could say for sure. The point I'm trying to get across is, that it doesn't matter what immigration policies you have, if your going to create welfare and socialism, your doomed. Also, whites are not being targeted anymore than any other group, except maybe in some colleges. Everyone suffers under socialism, and there is no evidence laws are being passed that discriminate against whites. Also, being demonized? Give me a break, if you want to be demonized, try being a Libertarian...
@johndoeing
6 жыл бұрын
We get it, your funders need cheap labor!
@dealerofdeth
6 жыл бұрын
1:38 - 1:46 Nick, you are hilarious! Calls immigrant taking American jobs a lie, but then shows a graph of illegal and legal men taking the jobs to be had! Incredible. I want to call troll but I know you guys have to produce unReasonable content from time to time.
@ironsmith9769
6 жыл бұрын
I'll be for high levels of legal immigration when the system is merit-based and I will be for open borders (but not citizenship) after welfare state is abolished and a national voter ID is instituted. Until those conditions are meat I would like to see every illegal immigrant marched trail-of-tears style over the southern border.
@lbrown21494
6 жыл бұрын
"It's hard, so it's okay to just let them come in unvetted." Yeah, no, not a good argument, sorry.
@farlanghn
5 жыл бұрын
I understand what Nick and the writers of this video were trying to do but the video fails in multiple ways. I felt so mislead by this video that it's now hard trying to watch other videos Nick has done. "We should keep illegal immigrants here because it makes our fruit cheaper." Or we could hire legal immigrants/citizens and just pay .10 more for avocados.
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