no matter the show they cover, ForceCenter is essential viewing and in some ways even more fun than the shows themselves!
@anakincrespin
2 ай бұрын
I always look forward to the show and to the ForceCenter discussion about the show equally 😂
@JoeyPeligro69
2 ай бұрын
Force center and Star Wars explained are the only Star Wars channels i follow! Don’t engage in any of the toxic bs
@amaranthpaean
2 ай бұрын
Agree with you all! ❤️
@sirmarshall9521
2 ай бұрын
It's so wonderful listening to people talk about what's actually on the screen instead everything BUT.
@OrionInSpace
2 ай бұрын
It really is eye-opening when you can find who the people are that have a clear agenda in mind to look for certain things with a show but then you come to something like this and you actually realize that they’re having a conversation about the show itself they’re not having a conversation about some random interview that I could give less of a shit for an actor either mistakenly said the wrong name or it is just misinformed. it really gives a good idea as to who the fake ones are nowadays, which we see a lot of. It is a problem with both sides, but at the same time I can be objective about it while still understanding that just talking about it will make it better.
@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord
2 ай бұрын
@@OrionInSpacecan you guys relax there's a lot of problems with the show stop acting like people are just being negative for political reasons.
@OrionInSpace
2 ай бұрын
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord I don’t think we said that did we? I don’t think we ever mentioned anyone who had criticisms for fair and reasonable stuff. We’re talking about the group of people who do use their hate for Star Wars because of political reasons or grifting reasons.
@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord
2 ай бұрын
@@OrionInSpace except political reasons are valid to dislike Disney star wars. This show proved that for me. This show is gonna go down hill in episode 3 because the director can't help but force her world view into star wars messing with the cannon.
@OrionInSpace
2 ай бұрын
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord I like the dichotomy of watching you go from saying “stop acting like people are just being negative for political reasons” to then going and saying “except political reasons are valid to dislike Disney Star Wars”. You just contradicted yourself without even realizing it. Also, for your information, there is nothing political about the show so far I don’t know what you could possibly be watching to think that. I have my own issues with the show so far, but none of them stem from whatever fake, and contrived narrative that could be put out about it.
@BigLousClubhouse
2 ай бұрын
1:42:40 Ken you're so right on with the power of Sol's delivery in that moment ... "I Believe You" are probly the three most powerful words in all of communication!! LOVED it!!! Great discussion as always guys!!
@cloverraven
2 ай бұрын
Sol and Yord are every bit of Qui Gon and Obi wan in Master and apprentice. And that is awesome.
@AlbertoMartinez765
2 ай бұрын
Its soo good , the acting I am really enjoying the show.
@OrionInSpace
2 ай бұрын
The reason I can appreciate conversations like this is because you guys don’t just take one or two things and categorize it for the entirety of the show and its quality. Seeing that quite a lot online for reasons that people feel they need to do that. When you have a conversation like this one where you actually sit down and DISCUSS the show then it makes it more interesting and worth while to appreciate. I myself think the first two episodes were just OK but I can still appreciate the discussion we have about them. There used to be a time where we did that but nowadays people would rather do the opposite.
@MikeyAlterRed
2 ай бұрын
Wish I could give this video a million likes! Such an interesting, engaging and positive discussion! Can't wait for next week's.
@auntvesuvi3872
2 ай бұрын
Thanks, Joseph! Thanks, Ken! Thanks, Jennifer! 🌑 These first two grabbed my interest... and, as always, they're feasts for the eyes.
@gsarngad
2 ай бұрын
I don't necessarily mind if they don't show Yoda, but since he's around in this time period there should at least be a mention.
@Vulcanerd
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'm not too bent on having to see Yoda? I wouldn't mind if it's organic and he happens to show up, but it's not some necessary thing for me?
@stonedALPHAZ
2 ай бұрын
Seeing Vern made me soo happy 😁😁
@BillROOKLYN
2 ай бұрын
How dare you call her Vern! 😂😂😂
@Igor_the_Mad
2 ай бұрын
It's fascinating to me that Joseph doesn't like Yord, because I immediately picked up on Yord being just like Episode 1 Kenobi. He has room to grow, but both of them are trying to be that Jedi Company Man while young and still unsure of themselves.
@ForceCenter
2 ай бұрын
Very interesting! I think Yord is a tad more intense and fearful than young Kenobi, but I can definitely see what you're saying about both being young company man eager to prove themselves. I think my feelings for Episode I Kenobi are probably different because I always knew he was going to evolve from that and when I first saw young Kenobi in 1999, I was also an eager young man with lots of anxiety! Very cool comparison. I love Yord as a character and I'm fascinated to see where he ends up in this show. Thanks for your thoughts! -Joseph
@marjoe32
2 ай бұрын
As someone who looks for what Star Wars is telling me between the lines, this show GETS IT. "The human heart In conflict with itself" - GRRM quoting Mark Twain
@livliveart
2 ай бұрын
I'm so freaking excited to see Abigail Thorn be the first trans woman in Star Wars 🥰🏳️⚧️ Also I am proudly part of the Yord Hoard, and I very much hope me saying this will not age poorly as the series progresses. Imo, great series so far! Thank you for being a safe haven against the storms of hate and bigotry. I truly feel welcome here, and that's such a gift. For Light and Life!! Happy Pride!! 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
@zachmartin6519
2 ай бұрын
Here there are! My favorite Star Wars pundits and my safe harbor in the Internet hot take storm…
@carder_music
2 ай бұрын
Love your streams! Star Wars explained mentions you all the time!
@ZachBobBob
2 ай бұрын
Glad you guys pointed out the music so early, think it might be my favourite part of the show so far. Also yeah your guy's Dex's Diner episode is one of the best and most important episodes you've ever done, when I recommend this podcast that's the episode I send to people. Ken cracked me up this discussion too, I like when he gets prickly haha...gonna get the Sith code tattooed on my back now
@nicholasarkis6116
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for being a breath of fresh air for discussing this show. I'm loving it so far. I'm ready to see how it all unfolds. I see too many focusing on the negative instead of being mindful if their thoughts. Qui-Gon taught us that your focus determines your reality. Approach any Star Wars story with arms folded and a cynical attitude, and you will, I promise, experience the reality you are determined to have. Remember what Yoda tells Luke is in the cave... only what you take with you.
@michaelerra95
2 ай бұрын
Hands down, this was the most thoughtful and insightful discussion of the first two episodes. Every other review that I watched focused on directing, acting, writing, and sets. Forcecenter talked about the story and characters giving all of the story elements and character decisions thier just due. I really liked the show before this but your discussion really enhanced it for me and I am as excited for Forcecenter's deep dive of the remaining episodes as watching the episodes themselves. Great job Jennifer, Joseph, and Ken!
@TransSam-28
2 ай бұрын
Great show, review, insightful thoughts and really everything we’ve all come to enjoy and respect with Forcecenter! Thanks Ken, Joseph and Jennifer! Still the best Star Wars podcasters 💜 Also completely agree, loving The Acolyte so far 😉
@FennecFanned
2 ай бұрын
Great analysis, as always. Just as a counterpoint to your concerns about the trailers giving too much away- I stayed away from any spoilers but I really wish I'd known about Indara beforehand. I was really looking forward to Carrie-Anne Moss and her dying almost immediately took me right out of the show. It didn't ruin the first episode for me but I kept thinking about that rather than what was happening or what her death meant in the show. I know if I'd been prepared ahead of time then it wouldn't have bothered me as much as it did.
@jeyfromnowhere
2 ай бұрын
Yord is that D&D player who always has to do the coolest thing to defeat the monster. Every monster. All the time.
@Elias_tomodachi
2 ай бұрын
Glad you guys also approved of the Neimoidian accents used here. Glad to see/hear it, huge improvement from the prequels!
@LaurenReads
2 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting for these voices to join in on the acolyte discussion 😊 did not disappoint!
@cloverraven
2 ай бұрын
Yeah the music was great I just assumed it was someone who’s been doing it for years
@general_cameroni
2 ай бұрын
Yeah I don't get this whole thing about the actor saying the wrong name. Like, I don't care? At all? I couldn't give a bantha's ass if the actors know anything because their job isn't to know lore but to act. In some cases, knowing the lore helps a lot (Rosario watching the animated shows to play ahsoka, for example) but in this case there's not necessarily anything to know. Also my defense from the OT was that george couldn't make up his mind on how to pronounce half the things he created lol.
By far this is my favorite spoiler review of the show. I appreciate the connections y'all are making to the real world as well. Loved episode 3 and can't wait to hear your thoughts.
@michaelmccarstle4527
2 ай бұрын
"There is something appealing about revenge when justice takes a long time." Jen made such a great point there. That's at the heart of so many Dark Side characters' stories. I'm really excited to see how this story unfolds. I'm loving the show, so far. A few nitpicks, sure, but overall, I think it's fantastic.
@SpideySense62
2 ай бұрын
Great discussion! Made me notice how affected Indara was by Mae's appearance.
@marjoe32
2 ай бұрын
Yord is the Worst of us and Yord is the best of us
@rogerroger5171
2 ай бұрын
Here is a question. Osha had Mae in her sights and chose to not "stun" her sister. If the weapon Mae held could kill, would she had then had still missed?
@BarnesGannon
2 ай бұрын
been waiting anxiously for this!
@Tim_Kul
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for your discussion! I really love listening to you talk about everything SW-related. I enjoyed pretty much these first two episodes, hope that the show sticks the landing as they say. One honest observation: sometimes (not always!) I think you guys are afraid to fully express your negative reactions but to me they are so curious exactly because you are eager to go deep and be wisely positive! Keep up the good work!
@Ronariverah
2 ай бұрын
I am please to tell you that my mum really likes "This new Star Wars show Aqua Light"
@LukeTG1138
2 ай бұрын
Ooooo just found this podcast again. 😁😁😁
@cloverraven
2 ай бұрын
I agree with you. Yord is awesome. But I feel like it’s 80/20 hate out there.
@Ronariverah
2 ай бұрын
Sol is so lovely
@amaranthpaean
2 ай бұрын
I agree! My favorite characters so far are Sol (compassion), Jecki (calm), and Qimir (charm).
@karmentaylorkt
2 ай бұрын
I was looking forward to y'all's discussion and as always it was great, I'm team 'Justice for the Jedi' even though they can be a hot mess 😊 Excited to go on this journey with y'all.
@Skye_Writer
2 ай бұрын
41:35 "[Sol] is trying to be himself; Yord is trying to be a Jedi." THAT right there is the best breakdown I've heard so far. That tells me why I have this uncomfy feelings about Yord, why he feels suspicious to me. He's trying to hide who he is behind the mask of authority and status that is "a Jedi Knight." But we see that he's vain (no wrinkled robes!) and he's stiff and he's definitely a little too trigger happy, reaching for that saber at the drop of a hat, and he took longer than he should have to come forward and say he had eyes on Osha the whole time and she didn't kill Torbin. But you are right, a lot of that can be explained by the fact he's following the rules and the example the Jedi set out for him.
@amaranthpaean
2 ай бұрын
I agree, his delay in defending Osha was suspicious to me as well. Like, was he waiting for dramatic effect? Oh Yord…
@amaranthpaean
2 ай бұрын
I’m pleasantly surprised by this show, and unpleasantly unsurprised at the hate for everything surrounding it. You and SWE are beacons in the murk, and I thank you.
@anakincrespin
2 ай бұрын
Absolutely loved the show and loved your discussion 🙌 I also really want the non-Jawa as a Black Series figure by the way 😅❤
@BobbyM817
2 ай бұрын
I will say, I agree with Jen about Disney+ kind of “limiting” what this show can show us, at least compared to something like Netflix or Max. However, I will say X-Men ‘97 was able to show us a lot of “mature” stuff. Things I was very surprised to see considering that show is also on Disney+ so who knows?
@gsarngad
2 ай бұрын
Yord: From you all right! I learned it from you!
@Skye_Writer
2 ай бұрын
1:31:50 Lesley Headland already confirmed either to Erik Voss of New Rockstars or to Kyle Katarn's channel (I forget which one it was, they were both at meeting of content creators who got to see the show at the LucasFilm offices in Burbank) that Yoda will NOT appear in Season 1, and that makes a lot of sense, really. Yoda has to be ignorant of what is happening for the moment until they establish some things that gel with the prequels. For now, Vernestra Rhowe is going to be the green being dispensing wisdom at the temple.
@Vulcanerd
2 ай бұрын
A theory I have for the mystery of the show is that Mae didn't set the village or whatnot on fire and that it was the Jedi, but since they figured Mae was dead, they decided to blame her. Or I wonder if Mae and Osha come from some non-Jedi/Sith aligned Force users (like the Nightsisters b/c they mention that Mae and Osha have mothers) and the Jedi felt entitled to take two of the stronger/exceptional kids to train as Jedi and maybe set fire to the place and blamed Mae. Or maybe they treat non-aligned Force users as renegades or undesirables (maybe even heretical or heretics) so they felt comfortable with dispensing summary judgement while feeling entitled to take the kids? It would also mesh with what Mae says about the Jedi using force against unarmed people. I'm also willing to bet that, while Master Sol may not have been directly involved, at least one, two or three of the others may be directly responsible and Sol only saw the aftermath and/or assumed Mae was dead, but he may suspect that there was something not forthright with the situation?
@DamnFineCupOfCoffee
2 ай бұрын
The lightsaber thing is meant to be a parallel for cops who are not supposed to draw their gun without just cause. If I had to guess the saber-happy Yord is gonna screw up, and the whole mystery with Mae will be about a coverup of a similar mistake
@alfje5492
2 ай бұрын
First SW series I knew nothing about (haven't read any comics/books or watched trailers), so it's taking a little longer to connect with the characters. Loving the look and sound very much so far. Happy to see it set in a different era, especially since it shows the Jedi weren't so squeaky clean long before their fall. However I feel like I already know where it's going: Mae spared the kid and parent, so will turn good and Osha started the fire, she will be seduced by the dark side and die to save her sister. I hope I'm wrong and the series surprises me though!
@general_cameroni
2 ай бұрын
Hello there
@Masklessvizard
2 ай бұрын
I'm on the side of patience, though that's a Jedi's moniker lol. I won't fully say I don't or do like until the story is Fleshed out. But I'm sorry, how do you draw us in with the Goddess Trinity a.k.a Carrie Ann Moss an kill her in the first 10 bloody minutes? At first it felt click bait, but if she's in some flashbacks an the story continues to evolve itself like a Sith with a Red blade....I'm gooooood!😂😂😂❤❤ Love my Force center FAMILIA!
@Vulcanerd
2 ай бұрын
Btw, Ken mentioned that Sheev shouldn't be around, just doing the math, but... whoever trained Sheev could very well be around, even the master in this one.
@jfreeborn89
2 ай бұрын
Acolyte fever finally boiled over
@ericsmith9547
2 ай бұрын
I truly think people are sleeping on the Yord character and what he represents.
@tendaiamos
2 ай бұрын
The downfall of the Jedi. Osha was his friend yet he was more than ready to pull a saber on her. Lack of compassion, rigidity, barely concealed dissent..yup watch that one
@amaranthpaean
2 ай бұрын
Oh, and one more comment as I catch up. I have many thoughts on AI, but I’ll just share a funny thing that happened a few days ago. I was reading The Rising Storm, and I wanted to visualize what the Talpini species looked like, so I opened Chrome and searched it. The new Google AI provided me with a picture of a diminutive humanoid native to Tal Pi, presumably from Wookieepedia, alongside the description of the real-life tribe of mammals known as Old World moles. Humorous, but wrong.
@stubbywankenobi1
2 ай бұрын
I think it’s a vow of silence and when he found out about Trinity getting whacked he went into a meditative state
@AloisWeimar
2 ай бұрын
Like a Barash Vow (sp?)
@williamplants67
2 ай бұрын
George Lucas said it best. Essentially, The light side is selflessness and The dark side is selfishness.
@joshualynch1107
2 ай бұрын
Are daggers not weapons?
@amaranthpaean
2 ай бұрын
Knives are weapons, no one’s saying they’re not. The point is that Mae is *supposed* to kill without a weapon, not that she did. Her conversation with Qimir in the apothecary further elucidates this… he said she’s running out of Jedi to kill without a weapon and she says she’ll get one of them that way eventually, but she needs to kill the others her way (with knives, with poison, who knows how she’ll try to kill Kelnacca).
@gsarngad
2 ай бұрын
As Jen was saying, I was amazed Disney let the suicide contagion in a Star Wars show
@Vulcanerd
2 ай бұрын
I really enjoy the characters, the sfx, the settings, the cinematography (some have compared it to CW, but... I don't get that), but that said... I've brought this up on so many other channels I follow so I'm just going to copy/paste a good chunk of this, but... That narrative has been getting pushed since the PT and through the TCW (and I love TCW) with the Jedi being arrogant or blinded by pride, etc, but... These same Jedi kept the peace (according to canon so far, but may get changed up b/c they seem to be pushing that narrative hard for the past couple of decades) for thousands upon thousands of years. Compare that to Palpatine's empire that lasted... what? 20 years? The Jedi are batting like .998 or something and were only deposed when maybe the most powerful Sith of all time, assisted by maybe the most powerful Jedi of all time schemed and schemed to bring about the end of the Republic and Order. So, let's not be so hasty on the Jedi way was bad. That's like the end of Minority Report where they had a system that worked like 99% of the time and b/c Max von Sydow figured out how to fool the system once, they decided to throw out the entire system... you know, going back to the system that would imprison innocent people, execute them by mistake far, far more frequently (don't come after me for my Minority Report take, people! Let's stick with SW for this round lol) than the system in Minority Report. This says nothing of the key to the fall which was Qui-gon Jinn, right? The Jedi had a system in place that didn't allow kids who were too old to train b/c they would have developed attachments and strong feelings for people and things around them. They also sensed the anger and sorrow inside Anakin which they knew often leads to the Dark Side... and what happened? Despite all the safeguards and guidelines the Order had that had worked and been tested for thousands of generations, Qui-gon /insisted/ that the Jedi train him! Had he not insisted it, through his ego and hubris and pride and blind belief in the prophecy, Anakin would not have been trained and not been in a position to threaten and exterminate so many Jedi nor be Palpatine's right hand. And it goes on! When Qui-gon died, it should have ended there! But, no! He makes Obi-wan /promise/ to train Anakin. So strongly was Qui-gon attached to Anakin, so much did he desire for Anakin to be trained that he made his padawan promise him to go against thousands of years of tried and tested Jedi guidelines and rules... so that Qui-gon could be right! *Even Padawan Kenobi tells Qui-gon, "The boy is dangerous. They all sense it, why can't you?"* B/c it's not the Jedi that were clouded by their hubris! It was Qui-Gon. Had the Jedi followed through with their rules instead of letting Jinn have his way, none of this would have happened! Of course, then, what did Obi-Wan do?? He promises Qui-Gon, against the tried and true established rules of the Jedi... to train Anakin! After he warned him that the boy is dangerous and that everyone, but Qui-Gon sensed it! It's like I'm taking crazy pills here!!! 😆 So, I don't know why it's become popular to crap on the Jedi or talk about how the Jedi Order was arrogant or proud or whatever. Now, starting with the PT, they have leaned into it with stories so it's only served to reinforce it, but... It's a turn I'm not too keen on (minus TCW which is amazing). When I fell in love with SW, originally, among many things, it was the aspirational quality of the Jedi and them being bigger than life heroes. If I want to watch a more dystopian show/series, I already had that with GOT or WD or Bladerunner or whatever. I enjoyed that SW had this heroic, hopeful bent to it unlike so many of the other dystopian or dark/gritty films. I will now get off my soap box... thank you for coming to my soap box SW TED Talk
@Vulcanerd
2 ай бұрын
As fans, I understand why we are drawn to Qui-Gon or Sol b/c they are friendly, gentle, charming, thoughtful... But, I also find it amusing that we're so quick to criticize the Jedi b/c they're callous or inflexible or are too bureaucratic. And, yet, it's structure that makes anything possible. We don't have laws that cater to the highest common denominator, laws have to be there to stop the 'lowest common denominator'. If everyone was responsible, civic minded and considerate of their neighbors, maybe we wouldn't need those rules and that structure. We have rules that streamline and make closing the register and the store easier that's been refined over the period of however long that business has existed b/c it ensures accuracy and ease of performing certain functions that are required in running a store. And, yet, we're like, "Boo! Structure and rules! They're stifling the artiste in me!" We criticize the Jedi for being callous and, yet, it was Qui-Gon who insisted, in spite of the rules and guidelines that the Jedi had honed and refined over centuries, even millennia, that led to the creation of Darth Vader and not just the fall of the Jedi, but the whole Republic. And it should have ended with Qui-Gon's death, but he made his padawan promise him to train him, again, in contravention of rules that had existed for hundreds of years or even thousands of years. To me, it was Qui-Gon's arrogance and hubris that directly led to the downfall of the Republic and Order despite how good of a Jedi and person I think he was. I also find it weird that, while the Jedi started out as these bigger than life heroes full of wisdom and compassion, over the past 20 or so years, they've slowly been turned into arrogant, overly bureaucratic, elitist organization who are inflexible. Even though they'd been around for thousands of generations, honing, refining and streamlining their code and rules. Unless we're now willing to buy into the notion that these same Jedi were always arrogant and inflexible and callous... and still managed to keep the peace and maintain the Republic for thousands of years? Even if The Acolyte's not this, I would like to see an Old/High Republic series or movie in which the Jedi are actually wise and not callous and not full of arrogance, but humble servants of the Republic. I thought that arrogance, overconfidence, hubris were the flaws of the Sith, but somehow, over the past 20 years, we've turned it on its head (not an expectation I wanted or needed subverted...). I want to see the Jedi Alec Guinness's Obi-Wan spoke of. (mm... this comment is strikingly similar to a previous comment I made, but I hope it at least added to that one)
@TMarkey009
2 ай бұрын
I have been listen and watching you guys for years and love hearing you opinions but I gotta say, I am shocked by how much you liked this show. I find the acting weak, the writing to be amateurish, the directing small in scope and the special effects sub par. Only bright spot was Lee Jung-Jae as Sol. He was excellent. For a show that cost $180M, I don’t see it in the final product so far. I am praying the show gets better as we go. Fingers crossed…
@Ulysses75
2 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you on this. I’m doing my best to not get too negative about the show, as there’s a LOT of other videos on KZitem are absolutely FULL of hate. But I’m struggling with the show so far. Of course I’ll watch it, it’s Star Wars, my fave thing, but I’m finding it really disappointing so far. Nothing to do with diversity or anything like that, I just think it’s off in terms of pacing, dialogue, writing, acting… I will of course give it every chance to improve however. I don’t think some of the comments made in interviews by the cast or show creators are helping their case though.
@richiekoesel24
2 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you Ken on the marketing, it was just awful, although Lucasfilm is consistently awful with their marketing with all their films and shows. I think they put the films and shows in such a hole in terms of getting real excitement and does damage, they really need to go back and rethink how they market this stuff.
@tdogg6148
2 ай бұрын
So the writing is dumb making the Jedi look stupid. Between one Jedi dying by a blade because she was dumb enough to not pay attention to Mays diversion or the other Jedi being dumb and taking their eyes off the shop so May and that merchant can escape. Stupid writing and sad looking makeup. Is that woman Jedi painted green because of some religion or is that supposed to be her skin?
@noHOPEof
2 ай бұрын
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