the Fourth Great Civilization is the Nocturnus Clan. Though they may be considered non-canon, they were made to be the Fourth Great Civilization and confirmed to make the Gizoids. They probably aren't expanding on that because, yknow, Ken Penders and his BS. But they are very explicitly stated to be that Fourth Great Civilization.
@DellStarX
Жыл бұрын
That Ken Penders stuff is so annoying because even though I dont like the game, chronicles expanding on the knuckles clan lore was pretty cool. Now it seems like Sonic Team is expanding on it through other means which is clever, but things gotta get retconned because of Penders.
@Bestguy10
Жыл бұрын
Loved the editing in this one, mixed with the in-game landscape shots , felt super high quality
@spindashstudios9720
Жыл бұрын
I think the Fourth Great Civilization would be the owls, which could be seen on South Island. This would also give each ancient civilization their own island: Ancients - Starfall Islands Echidnas - Angel Island Babylonians - West Side Island Owls - South Island The humans certainly could be the fourth civilization, but I personally think it’s the owls.
@DellStarX
Жыл бұрын
I've had a growing feeling that the owls were an offshoot of the ancient babylonians that inhabited south island after being punished for their crimes, but there isnt much evidence to back that up. Its easier to say that the owls were always just on earth just like the knuckles clan. It'd be nice if they'd go back & expand on south island lore.
@spindashstudios9720
4 ай бұрын
@@DellStarXdeciding to respond 9 months later. When thinking of the “Great Civilizations”, I always thought of the islands. The humans are off doing they own stuff idfk
@ataladin87
Жыл бұрын
@DellStarX my own fanfic was to have these Alien rivals build the master Emeralds to Lure the Ancients to a trap. However, They also Created the Phantom ruby as Failproof to counter anyone who posseses the Chaos Emeralds.
@DreaguiVII
8 ай бұрын
You deserve MORE subs cuz you're truly underrated
@DellStarX
7 ай бұрын
Appreciate the love!
@fatalwaffle1715
Жыл бұрын
Awesome Video Bro!
@lerona.martyr3811
Жыл бұрын
Most people would say the 4th great civilisation would be the nocturnus but since that is non canon I have another idea. In Knuckles chaotix we are introduced to a civilisation that is connected to the Master Emerald. From the manuals we know that they seemingly created the big rings. If thats the case then that means they might have a connection to every location that has a big ring including South island, westside, etc. Assuming they are all made by the same group of course and since the big rings seem to be some sort of teleportation or dimensional travel is easy to justify their wide reach
@DellStarX
Жыл бұрын
My mind immediately thought about the flickies since 3D blast confirms that they use large rings to do things like travel anywhere. Its also possible that the civilization who created the chaos rings simply got wiped out or moved however long ago. This is some interesting stuff to think about.
@ThisisTheUltimate
3 ай бұрын
The thing with the "Fourth Great Civilization" stated in battle, is that it is a mistranslation, in the original Japanese version, the game says that Emerl was created by "One of the Four Great Civilizations" that means that Emerl was created (alongside other Gizoids probably) by one of this 4 Civilizations that lived at the same time and were a big deal all during the same age In the English version using "Fourth Great Civilization" makes it clear that it's talking about a Civilization that was the 4th to make a great impact on the planet, so 3 came before ages ago, which could in fact be the Ancients, the Knuckles Clan and the Babylonians, however, in the Japanese context, having it to say "One of the Four Great Civilizations" put in a whole new context, as if at the time that civilization existed, the civilization that created Emerl and other Gizoids as weapons, there were 4 important and relevant civilizations living at the same time and doesn't matter how many Great Civilizations there were BEFORE and/or AFTER, because those were the 4 biggest AT THE TIME, living at the same period Sonic Chronicles expands on the "Fourth Great Civilization" with the translation error, so the creators of the Gizoids are the Nocturnus Clan, an ancient Echidna Clan that fought against the Knuckles Clan around 3000-4000 years ago, Chronicles was later made un-canon thanks to law suits and Ken Penders, y'all know the story There are some inconsistencies with that however, as much as I think it is cool to know the past of the Civilization who created the Gizoids, and having it connected with Knuckles Clan backstory like that, Sonic Battle states that the Civilization was wiped out around 4000 years ago, while the Knuckles Clan is often stated as happening around 3000 years ago, quite some time of difference And as a side note, the "Four Great Civilizations" really is a concept in real life, that term is usually used to describe 4 civilizations who used to be really important, those being Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Indus valley and China, maybe that could mean nothing to the story of the Civilization who created the Gizoids, it could be just be the inspiration for the concept but the 4 Civilizations be totally other 4 that only exists in Sonic's universe, but it could be related somehow to the real life concept, or even be a Sonicfied version of one of those civilizations, the Mesopotamia is linked directly with Babylon, and we have the Ancient Babylon Civilization in Sonic's World that still is not 1:1 with the real life counterpart, it is a civilization made out of Sonic Anthro Animal characters who came from space, landed on Sonic's planet because their engine was going to create a black hole and started living on Sonic's planet, and they look like birds who fits exactly with the rest of the characters (at least in the present), so maybe the creators of the Gizoids could be Egyptians or Sonicfied versions of Egyptians, or any of the 3 remaining civilizations
@ThisisTheUltimate
3 ай бұрын
And about the time the Ancients were on Earth/Sonic's World, they're probably indeed the first one of the civilizations that came around billions of years before the Knuckles Clan even existed or even started living around those areas close to the Mystic Ruins and the altar Knuckles states in the Frontiers prologue "Who built this Shrine to the Emeralds? And where did they go?" as if it wasn't the Knuckles Clan who built it, and considering that has such an important focus on the prologue, and Frontiers itself awnsers a lot about the Emeralds, plus the fact that Knuckles claims that lots of the buildings around the Starfall Islands resamble lots of buildings made in Angel Island, and there is an abandoned portal in Sky Sanctuary that Knuckles confirms that it looks old, even older than the ruins, and in the cutscenes in Frontiers showing the past we see the Master Emerald was just around in the middle of nowhere, in the grass, thrown with nowhere to be when the Chaos Energy coming from it pulled the 7 Chaos Emeralds in the Ancients spaceship down to Earth, so I think it's safe to assume that after the battle with the End, the state that the Starfall Islands were left were unbarable to live, probably the war destroyed all their farms and technology as we see in Frontiers plot, they moved around the planet and eventually found out the Master Emerald, the Mystic Ruins and decided to built a shrine to keep not only the Master Emerald but also the 7 Chaos Emeralds as well in the 7 pillars we see in Sonic Adventure holding each one of the Emeralds, until they got separated after the Chaos incident made by the Knuckles Clan Also, in one of the Egg Memos Eggman clearly states that the Ancients are older than any other civilization talking about the other ones while laughing like the Echidnas, Babylonians and Black Arms About the Knuckles Clan, they probably didn't had any inspiration or help from the Ancients, their society is too primitive compared to all the high tech technology we have on the Starfall Islands in comparison, the technology on the Starfall Islands may seem cheep and primitive, but even Eggman and Tails, two of the biggest genius of the current world didn't knew how any of it worked, Tails even said it all felt like Magic to him The Knuckles Clan also couldn't be helped by the Ancients because they only lived 3000 years before the first Sonic game, at that time probably all the Ancients were already Chao, and if they met the Ancients before they became Chao, that wouldn't make any sense because they would have no reason to attack the Chao and Chaos, since those are the ones who helped them in the past, and about Carnival Night Zone, that was built by Eggman. Sonic 3's manual clearly states that Carnival Night Zone is a place that Eggman built while the Death Egg fell on Angel Island, probably because of his love of Carnival Parks as we see normally on his bases
@DellStarX
3 ай бұрын
Some very informative comments here! I recently came across the mistranslation of the 4 great civilizations through Windii over on Twitter, who had recently translated the JP version of all the stories from Sonic Battle. My only pushback would be to the ancients having no connection to the echidnas and helping them create their own civilization. Tikal's grandmother knew the "The servers are the 7 chaos" prayer that was used to draw power from the master emerald. Unless Tikal's grandmother is the one who came up with it, the question of how she came to know about the emeralds and how to use their power is a mystery. We don't know how long the echidnas were around for even with the ancients predating them by thousands of years. I personally think there's some overlap seeing as how Chao were in the area of the emerald shrine not far from the echidna clan, but the possibility of them simply discovered the emeralds years after the ancients were around makes sense too. The echidnas attacking the chao during the shrine raid still makes sense even if the ancients originally helped them because Tikal's evil father is the one who turned the knuckles clan into a war mongering society.
@ataladin87
Жыл бұрын
What if the End was created by a rival Alien race to the Ancient. They create the master Emerald to Lure the Ancients to Earth and trap them there, Send the end to finish the Job.
@DellStarX
Жыл бұрын
I dont think we'll ever get an origin story specifically for The End. Just like any other God in Sonic's universe, their origins are never fully explained, & The End thinks of itself as the universe's grim reaper so idk. A bit of backstory for the master emerald tho? I'd love that.
@chibi.t511
4 ай бұрын
Now, we have the Sungazers in Superstars..How do you think we can put the Echidnas, Owls, Gaia Temples and Sungazers in the Lore?
@DellStarX
4 ай бұрын
Someone on one of my other videos theorized that the island in Sonic Superstars was part of a super continent with south island, Westside island, Angel island etc. If we stick with this theory then it's all about how & when certain events played out like when did the ancients come to earth & when did the echidnas declare war on neighboring nations etc.
@lerona.martyr3811
Жыл бұрын
I doubt the knuckles clan relied on the emeralds. I think its more likely one of two options. Either their early ancestors had some connection to the emeralds or the other option that the knuckles came into possession of the emerald altar after a conquest Tikal didnt understand the poem she got from her grandmother and only put two and two together when she saw the master emerald. and since they did not seem to understand chaos or his connection to the chao its unlikely they had a connection to the Ancients. If it was it would have been the knuckles clan of long ago and the information was lost through generations evidence that they didnt have connections to the emeralds is pretty apparent in knuckles monologue in the Divergence prologue where thinks to himself "who built it" while refering to the shrine and that his ancestors "tried to steal a power that wasnt theres" implying that the shrine and the emeralds came long before them and they lacked knowledge and werent responsible for the shrine with that being the case I heavily douht they used the emeralds at all. At least not recently. Again, it may be possible they did so much much earlier before Pachacamac and his mother
@DellStarX
Жыл бұрын
I briefly speculated that this might be the case. Since we dont have a time frame for the origins of their civilization, who knows if the knuckles clan ever did truly use the emerslds, but they did know about them & Pachacamac was aware of their power to some extent if he believed they were to be used to conquer more land. I like speculating on this kinda stuff because we may never get any official backstory for the ancient era of Sonic's world, but it'd be nice if we did!
@SemvanDriel
Ай бұрын
he did a good job explaining the civc. but there is one he hazint mentiont the nakturnas klan.
@ataladin87
11 ай бұрын
I have a fanfic idea My fanfic lore for the Master Emerald, but I need someone to have an honest answer for the idea behind it
@teamsonicchannel4400
4 ай бұрын
why didnt you mention the black arms
@DellStarX
4 ай бұрын
The black arms, to my knowledge, don't have any significant time settled on Earth to be considered a full-blown civilization of Sonic's world. Also, they operate more like an army, so it never crossed my mind to consider them.
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