Absolutely, also shouldn’t octanes stim be in F tier, since a dummy won’t have the passive regen
@newh1459
9 ай бұрын
Yes
@JustAnOkayEngineer
9 ай бұрын
@@Ave._.Rage12 By that standard, Crypto's drone's scanning shouldn't count either, since the fact that he and his teammates can see the scans is his "passive"
@lilnaho
9 ай бұрын
Yes!
@finnnnnnlol3650
9 ай бұрын
You don’t actually have to wait for Echo to get there for Vantage. You just need to hold the ability button without having Echo pre-placed and it’s a more vertical Revenant jump.
@aemfilms9163
9 ай бұрын
I wanted to scream this during the video
@jacobvanengen9874
9 ай бұрын
Came to the comments just to make sure someone said it lol
@BluShado45
9 ай бұрын
True but it’s still a long windup, like either make it so it’s no wind up or shorter windup when you hold, or holding is placement and tapping is activating (assuming there is no windup). I think a buff like that would be good with her having a huge hitbox and the fact that it is sometimes very easy to shoot her out of her tactical.
@cainacero2160
9 ай бұрын
@@BluShado45the wind up is fine, think of it like swinging as pathy. The hand signals of wraith or the charge up of rev.
@BluShado45
9 ай бұрын
@@cainacero2160 ok but it feels longer than the others, rev can at least slide and move while charging, and she has a huge hitbox that can easily get shot before and during her tac, without fortified to help her. Rev is tall yes, but not built like Gibby or Newcastle and still has sustain unlike Vantage.
@LoremIpsum4698
9 ай бұрын
For vantage, yes she does have to wait, and so does revenant. Vantage also has what revenant doesn’t, vertical air movement. You can also just recall echo instead of moving it around
@rpgairmail3918
8 ай бұрын
Revenant does in fact have vertical movement
@LoremIpsum4698
8 ай бұрын
@@rpgairmail3918yes, a little, but Vantage can go as high as she can far, and doesn’t need a surface to do that. Like if there was a platform only normally reachable by vertical zip lines, Vantage can reach that, unlike rev
@MaxTM_
9 ай бұрын
Wattson should be at least A tier. For most players it’s not that useful but it has for sure one of the highest skill ceilings, and tons of different techniques.
@EonUniverse0
9 ай бұрын
Plus not to mention aggressive fencing makes her fences the most versatile legend in the game
@toobad_sosad
9 ай бұрын
I do feel it has competitive viability, but it is a little situational since most of the time, the enemy can get an angle to break the trap
@jaystaxkzzz2708
9 ай бұрын
The tac is B tier at most it has great potential, but you have to be a FENCE GOD
@Jaymothafuckingcee
9 ай бұрын
Bias
@EonUniverse0
9 ай бұрын
@@Jaymothafuckingcee Bias doesn't mean it's not right
@WorldsApart333
9 ай бұрын
Wattson's fences aren't as straightforward as they seem. The vast majority will fence doors, hallways, etc. But that's not their only purpose; don't forget that you can place nodes, which are hard to detect, and fence hostiles in point-blank range, giving them stun that means at least a +50% chance to win a contest. Also, about crypto, he can rez teammates using his drone (beacons) and scan banners (on the wall) to get info about nearby squads (Essential for ranked). And regarding Vantage, if you hold your tactical while echo is holstered, you'll perform a jump instantaneously.
@BluShado45
9 ай бұрын
And don’t forget the door trick for Wattson, I do think his rank for them mostly work.
@niclaswa5408
9 ай бұрын
There goes everything I wanted to say
@samb2989
9 ай бұрын
Yes to all of this
@Wildash
9 ай бұрын
_happy crypto main noises_
@haxjason3720
9 ай бұрын
also on conduit. he forgets that under conduit’s tactical, you also take reduced damage.
@adonailr9667
9 ай бұрын
Bro using Loba wrong, the amount of times I have been saved by the bracelet mid fight, but still isn't the best tactical. High B or Low A...
@Replica-e7u
8 ай бұрын
Loba's tactical is actually better than wraith. Wraith doesn't have any verticality and she can be easily chased. Loba if thrown right, will guarantee a reset.
@luiscosta6610
9 ай бұрын
10:57 What?! Why would you have Echo out? You should recall Echo every single time you use the ability. Unless you're planning an escape route ahead (e.g. when crafting on a replicator), there's no reason to place him in the world. Vantage's tactical is way better than Revenant's. Easily.
@t8ert0t32
9 ай бұрын
rev has more spontaneous movement, and in fights waiting for echo to fly out can be the difference of life and death, if you dont use double jump you gt pulled down, and if you do you lose momentum. not a bad ability just flawed
@maxl8623
9 ай бұрын
Revs tactical and Vantage tactical are so similar I'm surprised they're in separate places. Macro kinda has a weird way of grading things across all his tier lists though
@luiscosta6610
9 ай бұрын
@@t8ert0t32 I still think Vantage's is stronger, since it's faster, easier to use, on a shorter cooldown (20s vs. Revenant's 25s) and provides much more verticality. In my opinion, it's not bad nor flawed.
@spencerness6893
9 ай бұрын
you don't have to wait for echo to fly out. you start jumping before he's even in position. literally the only downside is the windup which is way shorter than revenant's@@t8ert0t32
@rapeu
9 ай бұрын
@@t8ert0t32you can cancel double jump crouching, and you can just hold the button to go faster than rev
@evl952
9 ай бұрын
I just can’t justify thinking rev’s tact is better than vantage’s when she can go further and has a double jump
@WilsonSithole-q2o
9 ай бұрын
I like vantages tactical put l like revs more because it's instant and needs positioning
@Not-Natpex
9 ай бұрын
@@WilsonSithole-q2o thats because you need to RECALL ECHO right after using the tactical. Recalling and sending Echo out whenever you use Vantage's tactical is as fast as Revenant's tactical (Rev's tactical animation takes as long as Echo reaching your desired destination)
@profound_najamo
9 ай бұрын
well revs goes futher than vantages if used right vantages cant let you do the movement revs can i play on controller so no tap strafing
@qikaifeng5863
9 ай бұрын
probably because rev's tact moves faster and can do some insane movement that vantage cant
@pumps585
9 ай бұрын
I know bro i have no idea why everyone thinks rev's is better, plus with him you cant even jump vertically.
@sarizeteny4014
9 ай бұрын
You should do tier list about how good a legend meta was, like Valk meta (s9-s13) or seer meta or Gibby meta
@Therealuno11
9 ай бұрын
As a 40k kill wattson main she deserves S tier but only if she is in the right hands you have to be aggressive
@pinkplasticlag
9 ай бұрын
I know it’s just your opinion but Octane in C tier and even Wraith and Pathfinder in A tier is wild. It’s also a lot easier to shoot Horizon in her tactical after her nerf but it is very versatile.
@Samuel2oh9
5 ай бұрын
Octane tactical should be really good, but he’s right you lose too much health. I think you should only lose like 5% health max per stim. Maybe you should not even lose health at all, but the stim then has a 5-8 second cooldown between stims with no health damage
@YOUNGxCRAVEN
9 ай бұрын
Pro tip, look at the direction,you want to go in as vantage and hold your tactcal button. You wont have to relocate echo
@boblemonke9598
9 ай бұрын
I think you made a mistake with saying revenant’s tact is better than vantage’s when vantage’s not only goes farther, you get a double jump, and you have better vertically. Also her tact activated almost instantly. You just were not recalling echo and that’s why echo had to run to your new ping point
@johnmartinez8580
9 ай бұрын
If you hold vantages tactical it deploys instantly. It has the second highest Verticality and you can recall echo instantly after the jump so you dont wait for it
@skinnyyoungjiggy4471
9 ай бұрын
conspiracy: Macro made sure Apex didn't buff mirage too much so he could sell more "buff mirage" merch
@Catsngame1130
9 ай бұрын
Something small I think loba has though is that she can tp through windows, and an even smaller thing is it’s harder to fall off the edge on Olympus (it happens) Or if you fall off it’s easier to get back up with her because of how fast she is at moving a short distance
@BluShado45
9 ай бұрын
True, one of the only, if not, the only tactical that can get you through tight spaces even if it’s selfishly, the only other legend who can do that is Ash, but that’s her ult and her team can obviously go too.
@GLaDOS4Life
9 ай бұрын
I love loba even back when her bracelet wouldn't go through windows. However, it really isn't good. There is a massive audio cue that everyone hears. It's visible so you know where she went. Finally it's just so stupid that you have to stop and wait for that things because it's slow; if you took a baseball and threw it I promise you that that ball is going twice the speed of that bracelet. Now that that the window issue is fixed, I do like it for surprise attacks as if you coordinate with teammates to enter that room right after you blink in as the entire team will turn their focus on you.
@5centdrip847
8 ай бұрын
@@GLaDOS4Life Its literally the best ability in the game for holding angles for ur team tho
@michalmotyka9208
9 ай бұрын
Whyyyy!!!? As vantage, if you have the bat in your pocket you can just hold the tactical button and she starts charging it why the bat is flying to its location... Im mad that ppl say that its worse revenant when its just as fast in a way
@banana_Asriel
2 ай бұрын
It is worse than rev because enemies can see the bat and predict where you will go
@hugetapewormBIG
9 ай бұрын
You should do a tierlist but make it actually accurate
@jaydenjenkins8090
9 ай бұрын
I would put valk in B tier honestly because if you’re creative with it you can flush people out of hiding behind cover and break down doors and also apply pressure so bottom of b tier for me
@HeyImTurtle
9 ай бұрын
Agreed also the bombs stun the enemy for a couple seconds
@DaLing731
9 ай бұрын
Make ash have 2 tactical, one hand ability and fuse knuckle cluster travel speed and she should be good (a bigger ark star projectile size as well as a passive would be cool)
@Anonimo-hf3yi
9 ай бұрын
Nah Crypto should be S tier if not S+ imo. He can scan, safely rez, safely use recon beacons and see how many teams are nearby all with just ONE tactical. That's kinda busted.
@dozeropolis2219
9 ай бұрын
They should let mirage make holograms of his teammates instead of himself. That would change the game like crazy
@Henry7Madsen
9 ай бұрын
Fuse is S+
@squidwrdbuns
9 ай бұрын
for loba, she doesn’t keep momentum macro but she does continue at sprint speed. loba nerd here, they made that a change a while ago
@berthelotaymerick1530
9 ай бұрын
Bro complained that Loba can’t shoot while her bracelet is in the air. I didn’t know Rev could shoot while using his tactical. Bro is just a Loba hater
@GetGoodSweetie
9 ай бұрын
@@berthelotaymerick1530 you can also climb little heights and super glide on them during the animation, but only small ledges
@jon525525
9 ай бұрын
I feel like he doesn't know that you can hold down the tactical on vantage to jump almost instantly and that keeping her bat on her at all times makes it faster
@stepb2788
9 ай бұрын
Rev's tac cooldown should scale by distance like pathfinder's. 25 seconds on a 5 meter jump is egregious. Saying pathfinder's is long at 25 sec+ for the best mobility in the game while saying rev's is fine at the same cooldown for less mobility is goofy. One fat finger and you're immobile for half a minute.
@MAJ.PROBLEM841
9 ай бұрын
cryptos drone dosent scan, thats jis passive ability, so u gut a drone that u can control and thats it no scan, its F tier, also octain is f tier cuz he dosent have his passive, you have to heal all the time
@timmynguyen4758
9 ай бұрын
Looks like somebody didnt lab vantage abiliity enough but besides that nice vid.
@Hi2RiZE
6 ай бұрын
Watching this in season 20 is so funny. Cos macro suggested so many buffs that came true with the perk system
@w9ox594
9 ай бұрын
the amount of times ive ran away with paths grapple on low hp when im solo and then won the game. grapple op
@This_PC
9 ай бұрын
Loba doesn't lose momentum after using a jump drive, they added that seasons ago if I'm remember correctly. 14:09 You lost momentum there probably because you were going up a different terrain.
@Fr0styPopsicles
9 ай бұрын
Good list but Loba can move to any building and hold longer then most because any crack and she can dip tf out of there
@magnumon4483
9 ай бұрын
well crypto only with his drone and without his passive is basically a flying camera without a scan
@dafrenchork615
9 ай бұрын
Wraith Tactical does provides you mobility in terms of verticality! You can climb slightly higher when using it! Have you fought a good Octane using his stims properly and strafing while stiming in close range? It's broken! (sure 95% of Octanes are bots, but the rest are demons!) Horizon's tactical need a nerf and she also needs a better audio like Octane who now does when he is airborn. For Vantage, yes, you have to wait but the only thing that is holding her back is her hitbox (fridge size like Pathfinder) ( her tactical is made so you can use her ultimate sniper ability better. From high ground and that ability is the most strongest third party tool there is. You have to wait too on Revenant if you want to go far (charge time). Three clones would be too strong for mirage! Maybe two (they have to do tests). Shooting clones gives enemies positions and draws their attention away very shortly. In normal lobbies I will do great with Mirage but in skilled ones no). If you would keep your momentum after using Lobba bracelet it would be broken, you could just outflank enemies instantly and shoot at them while being invulnerable going from A to B (Pathfinder you can shoot in the air! Lobba you can't! And if you have half a brain you throw it and go to cover while it travels). Wattson would be broken aswell if you could spam her fences, remember they already set up very quickly (even faster with her gen nearby) (again it depends on the player using the ability, you can pretrap doors and get easy kills in normal lobbies, in skilled ones not so much. They will look out for fences near doors)! Next time when you do a video you should say if it's for average players or diamond + ones because abilities don't have the same rating depending on the skill of the person using them. For Real? Rampart tactical A tier???? Are you out of your mind? I have 8k kills on rampart and top 3% best Rampart in the game. It is not A tier maybe B or C. It takes time to set up, you have to play static behind it and enemies can just nade you or flank you. Enemies can use it against you if you are not careful! It requires a lot of thinking to place and unplace. (Good thing is you can superglide of Rampart walls though). Catalyst tactical is better than Caustic barrels that have been nerfed to the ground. It has way more health than Caustic barrels (300 compared to the 150 of barrels) and needs a direct line of sight on the core to be destrayed. You can place them in way that make them much harder for enemies to destroy. Also they do 15 damage a sec where Caustic barrels do 5 to start with! ( litterally 3 times more!) Also I know you are rating abilities and not legends but abilities are used by legends who produce them, and Caustic hitbox is so big and easy to shoot at! Defending your Ferro fluid is easier to do when you don't have a hitbox of an elephant! Sure You have 15% more health but I prefer Having a Wattson tooth pick hitbox than a Caustic one with 15% more HP where my enemy can just close his eyes, hipfire and hit all his shots. And again, in average lobbies it does not make much difference but in skilled ones it does a huge one!
@yoyolex5976
9 ай бұрын
I always hit my Ash snares long range Idk if my enemies are just dumb or im just an aim god lol 🤞
@CY-R0_
9 ай бұрын
Macro bro you should redo your video on the finals for all the new people playing it!😄
@FranklinTurtz
9 ай бұрын
11:15 oh man we were fighting a team off drop last night and we killed the first 2 enemies but the last one was a Vantage. She started running away but forgot to recall Echo so we basically followed Echo and hunted her down 😂 alot of Vantages seem to forget about that
@BloodyYuty
9 ай бұрын
Yes they forget about that so often. xD As a Vantage Main I always recall that flying rat xD Please when you have a Vantage teammate tell them to put that bat away it could cost you your life 😂
@FranklinTurtz
9 ай бұрын
@@BloodyYuty 😂😂😂😂 I hadn't laughed that hard in game in awhile so it was quite needed
@DanielGarcia-vh7pf
9 ай бұрын
This a mockery, I am starting an uprising against Revenant. Vantage's tactical is better than Rev. It deploys faster and has better vertical movement as well as still going almost the same horizontal distance. Like to let Marco see this.
@DanielGarcia-vh7pf
9 ай бұрын
He is rating Rev higher because Rev is a better legend overall but I know for a fact that vantage's tactical is better.
@haxjason3720
9 ай бұрын
wattson main here. prepare to get nessies thrown at you. we are s+ tier legends >:(
@DavidZichon
3 ай бұрын
Also there is no way blud put watson fences in C tier. If I didnt know better, I would say this guy has no idea about the game
@BannedSadly
Сағат бұрын
Ur 6 months late💀 it got buffed
@ilikestarwars4438
9 ай бұрын
vantage being a tier below revenant is crazy when her tac is a revenant leap with a shorter cooldown farther distance and more variability, plus if you just recall echo after jumping to him you can launch him out and jump to him immediately
@jaystaxkzzz2708
9 ай бұрын
I love macro Alex vids, but he say the dumbest shii sometimes fr
@magnumon4483
9 ай бұрын
A FACT FOR VANTAGE: if you have your little buddy echo stored (not flying around somewhere) you can just hold down the tactical button, he immediately flies to the location and the windup of the jump takes place simultaneously with echo flying to the promised location (like the moment echo starts to fly she charges her tactical so you dont have to wait for echo) and i think it is better than revenant, just because she has an effective cooldown of 15 seconds, goes roughly the same length as a full revenant jumo and she can automatically redirect at the end (and what I want to say is: ALWAYS have echo in your pocket and not flying around, since there is no reason to let him fly around at all)
@christianrivera2674
9 ай бұрын
I have critiques for some of the reasonings behind this list, but I also totally agree with each and every placement. Excellent video. Highly informative.
@switch317
9 ай бұрын
You would be surprised at just how often people dont shoot at a drone you throw out(not control) midfight because you know that they cant afford to look away from you.
@aagus_ab
9 ай бұрын
Loba has a good individual movement with her bracelet. She can easily attack or escape from situations and reach places that other legends cannot, for example entering a building through the window bars.
@Ukgyt99
9 ай бұрын
Been Loving Revenant Recently.
@basilisk760
9 ай бұрын
Can't wait till fade is on this list🥲🥲🥲🥲
@BluShado45
9 ай бұрын
I think I agree with most of these rankings whether I’d like to admit it or not, Caustic tac being ok makes sense, haven’t seen him enough to really know (good thing imo). I wish Wattson tac was better, but it can be too user friendly sometimes, making skill gaps far sometimes. Seer belongs below, but maybe bring something so he is at least playable. Vantage could probably get away with some good tactical buff or reworks and still not be super meta (something like taking away or reducing the windup, or making it so you hold to change Echo’s location and tap to immediately go to Echo). Loba tac should be a bit higher in my opinion as it is the only tactical to my knowledge that actually can get you through windows even if it’s selfishly (it’s also only one of two abilities that can do that I think). I also will only be throwing small Nessies at Macro because I only have the emote one not the big heirloom one 😭.
@jemarshaw4986
9 ай бұрын
You can hold the tac button while using echo, and no good advantage player ever has echo out it literally goes further than a revenant tac and also as far as a octane jumpad
@freedom3208
9 ай бұрын
people dont really consider that ballistic tactical has literally no downsides, you should ALWAYS use it since you are always gonna get some value with literal no tradeoff, its not the best, but its way better than people think it is
@daring101
9 ай бұрын
You could easily say that about most tacticals though.
@freedom3208
9 ай бұрын
@@daring101well most tacticals arent free 20 dmg at least and 50 dmg and a stun at best also the aimlock is super useful to catch enemies running away
@ZeoLightning
Ай бұрын
you are actually crazy if you think mirage having the ability to send a ton of clones wouldnt make him insane, his tact being 1 keeps him in check, he would 100% be the most toxic legend if he had basically his ult as a tactical.
@gabli6757
9 ай бұрын
Well no shit if you play Wattson like that you think it isn't so useful but a good Wattson actually knows how to use her fences well, especially offensive. Next time I would do more research because just placing fences like that and being like ''meh'' is just stupid, ESPECIALLY for a tier list video.
@Not-Natpex
9 ай бұрын
Wait does macro not recall Echo for Vantage's tactical?! With Echo following you is USELESS. Recall Echo and use it whenever and then instantly recall it. so the next time you use Echo, you won't have to wait for Echo to move. its pretty much as fast as Revenant
@ZeoLightning
Ай бұрын
i know you are judging in a vaccuum but theres so many micro interactions that play such a huge difference in the capabilities of the tactical that it feels unfair not to mention them. like wattson traps are on a big cool down but with her ult down, she basically has complete control and dominance of an area cause she can place fences down anywhere quickly
@DapperHere
9 ай бұрын
A new Passive for Pathfinder would be that he is faster on zip lines because that would actually make sense and would be pretty good. #RespawnGivePathFinderAPassive
@emegoat
9 ай бұрын
you can pop heals, reload, res a teamate, pop a beacon, get banners, check banners for how many sqauds are near and scan enemies while in 1 sitting of the drone. Macro as a crypto main, I am disappointed you put Crpytos drone in B, it deserves S+ as it can do so many things at once including your mother 🤓
@camrynkarrick272
6 күн бұрын
D Is For Dog Water
@RickyHardman313
8 ай бұрын
You did vantage dirty. Her tactical is so much better than revs if you know how to actually use it.
@invidioustv8890
9 ай бұрын
Not even trying to be rude here but you're dumb for putting Maggie's tactical so low. You might not play her regularly, but her tactical goes through EVERY DEFENSIVE ABILITY in the game. Gibby's bubble, Rampart's shields, Newcastle's shield, Catalyst's passive, and being able to go through doors and walls means you also get rid of Caustic and Wattson traps. It is an S tier ability, A+ if you factor in that it glitches and doesn't go through rocks sometimes, but still.
@kingsavage9054
9 ай бұрын
The loba disrespect will not be tolerated
@1Raheem
9 ай бұрын
Agreed
@Majin_B
9 ай бұрын
Cool list, but the darks in your game are really dark. My screen used to be like that and would get killed by people i couldn't see in the dark
@Bulby3sand7s
9 ай бұрын
Macro tier lists are on of my favorite types of videos on all of KZitem. I said it.
@kiba1367
9 ай бұрын
Im no pro, not even ever made it to predator, so hardly much knowledge saying this, but personally (prob bias) octanes tactical > wraiths tactical. If youre being shot at, those milliseconds of being shot at will kill you. Octanes is instantaneous AND the cool down is what? A SECOND? Individually, better chance of survival vs that animation from wraith, also makes you walk mid animation. Just me personally, call it skill issue lol
@NotRehu
9 ай бұрын
Woahh okay maggies drill is a solid A that thing can rip doors aswell as make smaller circles really uncomfortable to play in
@mzmc3020
9 ай бұрын
- Give Ash 2 tethers and make them not stack - Reduce Crypto drone cooldown to be in line with other scan legends
@YOUNGxCRAVEN
9 ай бұрын
THAT SIMPLE!
@slimygoon9993
8 ай бұрын
I love how everyone is praising Bangalore now lol. Few seasons ago she was just your mid tier most balanced character, and with zero changes, a few pros used her in ALGS now she’s god tier 😂 Edit: I mean this for every content creator, not just Macro. Your videos are fire imo
@AHappyZeebra
9 ай бұрын
Mostly agree with this list. Would put Fuse in A, largely cause he can grief all those defensive legends mercilessly. And his tactical can go just about half across the map it’s insane. With a gold helmet he can just do it more often. Catalyst would be S Tier if they didn’t nerf her tactical and she still could put down 3. Watson is a high skilled legend, Watson mains will make her S-Tier where if you don’t know how to use her well she is C at best. Seer is F- he’s so bad now 😂
@Beck7-c4v
4 ай бұрын
Wattson’s fences deserve better. They are great for zoning, they deal amazing damage in combo with shots, and they can trap enemies. I know you said just the ability, but it should be ranked higher.
@gibbygibbstein7858
9 ай бұрын
I kind of disagree with Ash's. Its east af to land the snare because of how massive the hit box is, you can just throw it over cover and it hits people, and ive gotten a squad wipe by trapping all 3 people on the enemy team inside of a round 4 ring. 😂 The tactical would honestly be pretty strong with some tweaks, give her 2 of them and increase how quickly they come out and it might be a fairly strong tactical
@heatherparsons4196
4 ай бұрын
I loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Octanes tac I just think because it makes it harder to hit.However,the upgrades for season 21(introduced in season 20)is nutz. You like no health on upgrade 3.
@iamstix2k88
9 ай бұрын
As a pred vantage main. Vantage’s movement is extremely convenient as long as you don’t forget to call echo back. But the windup doesn’t take that long. I can’t remember a time the windup took too long. Only way you could fuck it up is because of personal error
@rpgairmail3918
8 ай бұрын
Dude just isn’t good at apex. No insight whatsoever. Bloodhounds tax reveals your location, cryptos drone can be used as a distraction or to watch a specific area, horizons tax just makes you a target, pathfinder is good but revenants movement ability is better bc you can use it in combat more effectively, etc.
@hootels1770
9 ай бұрын
As an Ash main, Arc Snare is way worse than it seems. It looks better in the firing range because it stuns the dummies but in actual gameplay it doesn’t apply any movement penalty whatsoever. When hit by an arc snare you get a 9 meter diameter to move around it which can be tugged even further to about 11 meters. The average strafe is less than 4 meters. You’re only tethered for ~3 seconds which is too short of a period to tether someone, then throw a grenade. Along with this the radius you can move is so large you can just round a corner and not take damage from the grenade in 80% of scenarios. If you’re within 7 meters of an Ash you cannot be Arc Snared because you’re within the range where Arc Snare won’t activate fast enough and it’ll just go through you. Along with the fact that it can be deflected off of teammates and that you have to put your gun away when throwing it truly makes it F tier. Scrap the whole tactical.
@casarooo5704
9 ай бұрын
Kinda disagree with bang, smokes are good if you have a digi and your teammates have a digi, there’s nothing more annoying than being constantly blinded by your own teammate in a battle. Also, bangalores tend to forget that other teams can also have digi’s lol. I love beaming a team who thinks they’re safe in bang smoke. The fact that it depends on needing to find a digi (let alone 3), some guns don’t use those scopes (like the 301 or flatline), and the smoke can be used in advantage by another team, doesn’t rate bangalores tactical very high for me. Probably a B tier tactical.
@pumps585
9 ай бұрын
Have you ever actually played wattson? Why would you put her fences in C tier? Just why? They have so much utility and are the most versatile control ability. And then you place the catalyst spikes above them? You said that 2 is enough, but it really isn't. I dont know how you expected us to believe this. You listed the bare minimum of what the wattson fences can do, and then basically gave no other evidence as to why they were bad. And also you dont need to wait to jump to vantages bat, you can jump to it whenever. You also say that it is bad because you have to charge the jump in a way, but you have to do that for revenant's, too. I'm not trying to put out negative energy, but there are also a lot of other comments that agree, and I would strongly advise to make a new tier list, or updating this one.
@TheGoldenApex
9 ай бұрын
Banga
@whoppaploppa4879
8 ай бұрын
If you don’t play fuse enough you don’t have a respect for just how good the clusters are. For how often people camp, stay indoors, and stay together I find myself using them incredibly often throughout a game. The distance you can fire them is out of control and essentially unlimited. They can break down doors, encourage movement, and if you stick them they deal a very respectable amount of damage. You can use them pretty much in any scenario. I used to think they were trash but it gets A tier for me.
@mistababy
9 ай бұрын
in a vacuum, octain has the worst tactical in the game, becuase you dont get his passive, and that means one syringe per use
@Spartan-kl8lk
9 ай бұрын
You did loba dirty. You seem to value mobility ability’s except for hers. And loosing momentum is not a big deal, you are sprinting after tp just slide to get any mobility back. I think she has plenty of verticality to get on top of most buildings. And similar to wraith you can move from cover to cover without being shot.
@cm4n63
2 ай бұрын
1:40 clusters on drop are devastating, especially if people around you are looking for weapons. fuse is technically never unarmed, y'know?
@ethanpike428
8 ай бұрын
Hear me out for Octane,have increasing damage for subsequent stims,the first in a while,no damage,the second with out waiting does 5,then 5,then 10,so on,unless you wait say,10 seconds between stims
@liamwilliams3392
9 күн бұрын
I think ash is underrated its just a shame that she doesn't have 2 tactical, you can wait for players to become impatient and rush you and you can pair her tactical with an arc star and they are in the open and can't run away!
@nickyd1283
9 ай бұрын
bro but Cryptos passive is the scan... The Drone is his tactical which includes scanning champion banners, respawning, getting banners and opening supply bins/care packages .... so
@mateohammer67
9 ай бұрын
I think wraith's tactical is not very good. When a wraith uses it in a fight, you know they are low. You just easily follow them and kill them before they recover. It's just meh.
@bullzeye1423
7 ай бұрын
Halfway through the vid. Valkyries tactical C. It definitely needs to be reworked if they can change Revenant they can change Valkyrie.
@Adamh155
9 ай бұрын
24 hour gang 👇
@parkerwaddell-depuydt5953
8 ай бұрын
Look I love crypto, I do consider myself one of the few. But everyone seems to forget that the only reason his drone scans AT ALL is the passive, yes I think it should be built in and not the passive, but it is. So the Drone in a vacuum is not a scan, it is just a spectate camera.
@Rubyllim
9 ай бұрын
I'd say that octane stim should be in A tier, cuz if ur on pc and you learn to lurch strafe, it just makes you way more unhittable and unpredictable, it'd be S if it werent platform specific methinks
@mgms2000
9 ай бұрын
How are you an apex youtuber that plays the game since season 0 and still don't know how vantage's tac works LMAOOOOOOO
@shameless2436
9 ай бұрын
If you aim and just long pressed Vantage's tactical you don't have to wait for echo to arrive at his location and would just do the wind up animation and jump
@Niteowl11611
9 ай бұрын
Pathy was SEVERLY underrated (it was top of A tier too lol). Its eveything you need in one. Vertical and horizontal movement, its really fast and hard to track, sends you stupid far, and the cooldown can be manipulated by not sliding. I may have even put it above Horizon (however horizon has team mobility and a free battery so prob bottom S+ for pathy
@a_oe-hr8382
9 ай бұрын
Macro has something against loba I swear 💀💀 just because u suck at playing her DOESNT make her bad
@SZN-LIKES-TOAST
9 ай бұрын
can you no longer tapstraff with revs tactical I think I heard it I haven't played for a while I'm pretty sure that they did cuz I'm pretty sure I left the game after spending 11 hours learning everything bout it
@CortneyReed-h5d
9 ай бұрын
CiTR ram Hartstack echo is a fair wanted to build walls. I would play Minecraft dude Bruh Bruh.
@AutumnForHire
9 ай бұрын
nah the vantage part was pure mental illness you can just hold it down with echo recalled and skip the echo positioning thing, also it's way better than rev's in terms of vertical positioning. Yes rev has his passive which helps gain height too but these are in a vacuum and in a vacuum i'd say vantage's tactical holds up to rev's way more than you make it seem.
@typhlo9797
9 ай бұрын
If you step into a wattson fence, youre dead. You are slowed for such a long time. Caustic barrels does tickle dmg to you and you can shoot em out super easy + the long cool down. I would swap wattson and caustic.
@Ave._.Rage12
9 ай бұрын
Surely octane stim in F tier since a dummy won’t have his passive regen?
@winterknight6717
8 ай бұрын
Seeing Bang in S-tier makes me laugh cause the fact that her tac gets hard countered by an attachment on pistols, shotguns, and smgs shows that her tac isn't S-tier. Sure it's S-tier when the opposing team doesn't have a digi but when even one person has a digi her tac is useless.
@willsmith4355
9 ай бұрын
I disagree about wattson, because if you hit that trap and someone is there you are like omg im dieing. Right? You cant turn to shoot back and youre blinded
@hayato1544
9 ай бұрын
Hear me out, Mirage decoy when controlled should be allowed to also shoot fake bullets. To me that seems like it would be annoying and distracting like a decoy should
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