Demonising people’s choice of vehicle is so shortsighted, totally agree with your points.
@waclosh
10 ай бұрын
Especially when it is designed and enforced by peope who don't even have a driver's licence.
@davidnjuguna9477
10 ай бұрын
They should have made an ad of the Hilux towing solar panels from a corporate warehouse to a remote solar farm location to show off their 3,500kg towing capacity and off-road capability as well as being at home in the city and in the great outdoors.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
GOLD!!!
@JStryker7
10 ай бұрын
I think more ads should feature power slides
@srjwari
10 ай бұрын
It's an off road vehicle that was driven on private land with permission. I'm sorry but it's overreach of UK governing bodies. We're living in a time where you only have to say or look at something in the wrong way and your banned.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Agreen it is overreach particuarly as it was one complaint from two bodies who exist in part to be anti-car.
@stephenhankey688
10 ай бұрын
Very fair assessment on this issue, we as 4x4 owners will need to push out, leave NO trace more and more, in future to keep remote areas open, from Steve near Chester England 🏴 where the Roman's once lived.
@user-yq1yq2hj4h
9 ай бұрын
Excellent video, I am a new subscriber and it seems I have got some catching up to do on your channel!
@L2SFBC
9 ай бұрын
Thanks and welcome
@WaitWhat99
10 ай бұрын
As an Aussie that likes to 4x4 in the bush and explore our country, this ad actually made me really pissed. So many of our camps, trails, tracks and parks are being closed off to 4x4ing because people buy these cars and do exactly whats shown in the ad. Total disregard to the natural landscape and native wildlife. And Im not some 70yo grey nomad having a whinge either. Im in my thirties with kids, but I teach them they’ve gotta respect the bush in order to enjoy it. Edit; as for the fuel etc, well the options for a decent 4x4 with sustainable fuel is few and far between atm. So 🤷🏻♀️
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
10 ай бұрын
They should have added a disclaimer like "professional driver on closed course"
@erictyrrell3560
10 ай бұрын
It’s an ad.. they’ve been full of hyperbole since forever. Does this really need to be said? We need cigarette ads back so people have something legitimate to complain about.
@Beej-wp6tg
10 ай бұрын
Good points! If any of these "people" have purchased anything manufactured in their lives (clothes, shoes, food, bicycles, EVs) then they've also contributed to the greenhouse effect. It's an endless blame game full of hypocrisy. We all know things need to improve, as it's been an issue for over 50+ years, hence why there are plenty of people actually working hard towards it, not just complaining about it. Most four-wheel drivers that I know, love the environment, that's why they have a 4WD in the first place. Besides this, 4WDs have improved substantially over the years, being more economical and less polluting than their predecessors (of only 10 years ago), hence their immense popularity in today's vehicle market. A little bit of homework always pays off.
@MiniLuv-1984
10 ай бұрын
With you all the way Robert. If one looks at the entire picture, including mining, smelting, distribution and manufacturing of the vehicle (EV or ICE) replacing one car every 3 or 5 years is the a key source of green house gasses compared to owning the same one for 20 years.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Yes another example of big picture thinking
@stephenhankey688
10 ай бұрын
Yes I'm with you with that, after 22years same vehicle 👍😊
@SamKuul
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBCviewing the bigger picture is more challenging for others. Even after explaining the logic or facts their perspective might not change. Some people are just stubborn but sometimes I tend to wonder as humans we have not mastered communication.
@danharold3087
10 ай бұрын
If you want to look at the big picture one has to look at more than the first owner. It allows used car buyers to step up to a more efficient vehicle.
@timfenton2446
10 ай бұрын
As well as your points, you could add that spending time in the bush can increase the respect for it. It is possible to wheel, and not tear up tracks and pick up rubbish and clear the path for others.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Yes, might do a specialist video on that subject.
@maxgood42
10 ай бұрын
My Father was President of the National 4WD Council for 5 years as well as life member of the Toyota Land Cruiser Club Darwin (since 1974) and on the top of the list was always the TREAD LIGHTLY campaign We have often kicked people out of the club for that type of behavior as it is not tolerated and never was. It's a shame the image that 4WD's have gotten over the years.
The advertising company haven't done their job properly. They've ignored the fact that in the UK there is a major backlash on all cars bigger than Ford Focus. There was an article in The Guardian where they basically said the Hilux is an SUV and how SUVs are bad at everything. Toyota Yaris Cross is also an SUV but everyone knows these are two entirely different vehicles. The should've stick to what Hilux is known for - rigity, reliability, go-anywhere-any-time-of-the-year and that's what should've been in the advert. I'm doing my share to save the planet but I also acknowledge the fact there is and there will always be a need for cars such as the Hilux.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Balanced view thank you!
@DavidAnderson-vt8iq
10 ай бұрын
Creativity is dead. The ad is an obvious play on a wild herd in the environment. It's not reality. It's pretend. No, I don't think it's a very good theme for a 4x4 ad these days, or even well done, but to take it off air for such a week complaint is pathetic. Thanks for the video.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
I don't think the ad is all that great as a concept either, Toyota has had much more clever ones. However I was looking at it not from an effectiveness perspective but from a contentiousness perspective.
@TOYOTA.Overland
10 ай бұрын
Finally a normal opinion. Beautifully explained. Unfortunately, today's world is becoming more than too correct and we are losing our freedoms. There must be special toilets for the third gender in the restaurant, a teacher cannot tell a student that he is bad, ordinary cars are prohibited.
@BushBandicoot
10 ай бұрын
Completely agree and think your opinion very reasonable and balanced. Virtue signalling is becoming so self righteous and insulting.
@omarghosn8655
10 ай бұрын
As an off roader I agree...and disagree :) The ad did show the cars aggressively driving in a huge "pack" through terrain quite quickly. That would most definitely disturb the environment driving at those speeds so close together. But that is the crux of these types of ads: 1) It does target the "I want to thrash off-road" group and the "I just want to look rugged" group that wont even use the larger vehicle for the intended purpose and will spend the majority, if not ALL, their time city driving. I know people like that and they have never been off-road. Why buy a larger heavier vehicle if you aren't going to use it properly? That IS irresponsible. 2) The people who will use this vehicle as it should be used usually love getting outdoors because they love the peace/quiet/greenery/etc, respect the outdoors and drive responsibly. They need to haul camping gear, food, etc. I think we live a very good life if our biggest gripe is the nuance of an advert. First world problems :)
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
thanks, good points. For me, the 'herd' of cars is clearly fantasy so I discount it on that basis. Id do not like the powerslide, that was not needed. Agree re FWP.
@chrisowen2763
10 ай бұрын
The first thing I thought when I saw the ad was “that’s a lot of trucks on unspoiled terrain”. I live in a national forest in California, there are plenty of challenging “roads” including the John Bull Trail, but there is NO driving allowed off the trail on the unspoiled forest floor, or creeks and rivers - this is good.
@joezephyr
10 ай бұрын
Excellent thank you.
@djsconsulting
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing the full add, I first heard about this from a UK KZitemr (@BlackBeltBarrister) but he didn't share the full add. I am ashamed to be British sometimes, the "establishment" in the UK has been totally infected beyond hope by the political correctness disease. I think luckily for you, Australia is still more libertarian minded.
@L2SFBC
9 ай бұрын
I watched his video, interesting. Different take to me!
@djsconsulting
9 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBC I didn’t mean he’s the establishment, the government agency that banned the add is the “establishment”
@L2SFBC
9 ай бұрын
Agreed
@Malc664
10 ай бұрын
I don't have a problem with the ad at all. Some environmentalists are too sensitive. The earth repairs itself. It's actually constantly moving and there's nothing they can do to stop land masses creating a different landscape.
@marcianmoon6143
10 ай бұрын
why dont they include in Electric Vehicles videos, how they are built like: child labor in Africa , or how they explode and cant be extinguished.
@johnchristianlorenzo3221
10 ай бұрын
Jeremy Clarkson approved Ad. 😅
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
:-)
@pat9125
10 ай бұрын
Amen Mr Pepper, Amen.
@MadMatt4WD
10 ай бұрын
Well said Robert. I agree with your analysis. I'm less motivated by the environmental aspect than you are but we can explore that next time we have a beer.
@berthaduniverse
10 ай бұрын
Good morning Robert, great topic, thanks for sharing to the world at large. IMO, the whole "heard in a river bottom" is the whole problem here, the very concept is disturbing. If I was an environmentalist (and I am) and I wanted to make off-roading appear destructive and uncaring (which I don't), that river bottom scene would be a PERFECT and educational example of "see, off-roaders don't care, all they want to do is party and destroy!... (Thanks Toyota you totally F'd Up!).
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
I don't see it that way. The black Hiluxes are meant to be a herd of animals, so not really behaving as 4X4s. Where they are driving is fine; it's an open river bed, no specific tracks. What would you change about the ad?
@berthaduniverse
10 ай бұрын
One point to make a point: even in braided river systems, kicking up the sediment load with 20+ vehicles (not on a single track following e/o), kicks up 20+ times the sediment, creating a debris cloud that could/would kill clearwater species (especially during certain time of the year). So, not driving on/across a common point in a river is a huge issue, and is why it is often banned where possible. @@L2SFBC
@berthaduniverse
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBC I guess I'd also add, most rivers around the world (including Aus/NZ) don't evolve species that experience "large herds" that regularly disturb the river bottom.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Interesting, thank you, didn't know that. I shall add this to my list of environmentally responsible things to do. What's depicted is not realistic in my view; for 20 cars, which is too big a group to start with, I'd have them follow each other. But another time the route may be different as the river changes - that's what I meant by different tracks.
@berthaduniverse
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBCaside from vehicle crossings, for years my wife was a "trailboss" building hiking trails around Los Angeles, and it even applies to creek crossing on foot. Where possible, a log bridge is recommended. As always, thanks Robert.
@Rahmatuljin
10 ай бұрын
I can not believe that someone has problem with an advert, there are a lot of sick people in this world...
@DonzLockz
10 ай бұрын
I am curious to know, how much different feedback would be it all the Hiluxes were replaced with Prius's.🤔 food for thought.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Moot point, Priuses don't go offroad?
@philiparmbruster2396
10 ай бұрын
My pet hate is the again lazy habit of car manufacturers in showing their 4Wds driving in salt water along a beach. On the beach ;fine in the water ; stupid. I have seen young blokes in Hiluxes drive the Rainbow Beach rocks recently with water flowing over the cab. You can clean all you want but in a couple of years that car will be a rusted wreck.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Ha, I posted on Facebook on that exact topic! facebook.com/photo?fbid=729267982560785&set=a.406281888192731
@darshparmar7679
10 ай бұрын
Seems like a standard 4wd ad which has been done many times before I don’t see a problem with ,cancel culture just makes everything subjective posing a negative interpretation of an individual a pose to the wider audience.
@paulheckbert
8 ай бұрын
SUV ads like this should be banned. No, driving through riverbeds is not environmentally responsible. And no, misuse of statistics does not prove that SUVs are better for global warming. All SUV ads should show more realistic scenes, such as a child pedestrian getting crushed by an SUV being driven too fast.
@L2SFBC
8 ай бұрын
Why is it misuse?
@jasonhowe1697
10 ай бұрын
Diesel vs other pollutant fuels which is better long term, for all we know that whole add could of been filled with small block v6 turbos vs their 4cyl diesel/petrol counterpart NOw add the hybrid stupidity which is part time 4x4 to 40km/25mph.. I think from a diesel perspective i think think and diesel/lpg hybrid could exist I just don't see the feasibility of dynamo driven rear wheel unless you can get to a point of 80-120km/h/80mph I think this the hybrids make sense if you are places where you don't exceed 40km/h 0r 25mph past that you are in a poser vehicle
@amosburton164
10 ай бұрын
The driver didn't flip it, I would argue that, that was a good example of driving seeing as it wasn't flipped.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
That's a low bar...it's really easy to do that powerslide, first gear, 2WD, ESC off, slam throttle. Not a skillful move at all.
@retabera
10 ай бұрын
4:53 Just FYI, when you say "Forestry Worker" this is usually taken to mean that you are a logger who is cutting the Forests. You will instantly lose friends in the environmental groups if you say this.
@CamiloSantana
10 ай бұрын
I camp in Oregon, USA all the time. forestry workers I've met care about the forests as much as anyone else. their livelihood depends on it. they are environmentalists too. does this, "us Vs them" viewpoint get us anywhere other than at each other's throats? and who benefits the most from that general sentiment?
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
I don't care if I lose friends in the extreme environmental groups if those groups are composed of narrow-minded people who cannot see the bigger picture or have empathy with others. For sure there are forestry operations which are detrimental to the environment, but a 'forestry worker' doesn't mean they're part of that.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Exactly Camilo, got to put things in perspective. I think we should generally be limiting emissions, but I don't think a narrow-minded attack on people is a good way to do it, and that's what I felt that compliant was about.
@retabera
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBC It is still a bad example to use Fossil Fuel burning 4WDs being used as a means to allow workers to destroy the forests (regardless if you agree or not), as opposed to using an example of Fossil Fuel burning 4WDs being used as a means to conserve forests. Also, FYI chopping native forests is extremely contentious even in the mainstream environmental groups. Basically, if that bit wasn't in there, I could have shared this video within some environmental groups I am in to demonstrate how 4WD'ers are good custodians of the land who conserve and use less emissions than a typical household, but instead they would laugh at my face because of this one word and dismiss it as propaganda. So many you don't care that much about the trees, most people don't, but you have limited your audience.
@erroneouscode
10 ай бұрын
I was a "Forestry Worker" in the 1980's. That was my occupation title. I planted 10's of thousands of native trees in all sorts of miserable cold and wet weather in mountain regions. I had nothing to do with logging. If some judgmental twit instantly associates the term with negative connotations of cutting down trees that says more about them and their lack of understanding of history and of the subject matter. A 'friend' that hangs on every word or term you use just to pass judgment isn't a friend worth having.
@thecrankster
10 ай бұрын
Seeing more Hiluxs in London. Sometimes even a Rams. TBH they look ridiculous on London roads. I don't think they are being used by tradesmen as far as I can see. Tradesmen use white vans in the UK. They have a lot more capacity, security and accessibility. Actually doing any 4wding in the UK - even in Europe - is not that easy. You probably need to drive 6 hours from London to use it. Even then it would be pretty lame. In fact Scotland is one of the only countries in Europe that permits wild camping. It's pretty much banned everywhere I think. Overall, not a vehicle I see much point in but they are being sold.
@Wdeane1957
10 ай бұрын
What about farmers? Hiluxs and similar vehicles are ideal for transport of agricultural supplies, accessing harder to get to parts of farms, and moving small items of equipment around.
@CamiloSantana
10 ай бұрын
they're banning the ads - not the vehicles
@Wdeane1957
10 ай бұрын
@@CamiloSantana I was referring to "TheCrankster"s comment that they couldn't see much point for vehicles like these.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Yes, but the people making the complaint are trying to get the vehicles banned, starting with ads for them.
@thecrankster
10 ай бұрын
Not many farmers in London or cause for farmers to come to London. I think there is a group of people that have gone to Australia and loves the Aussie thing and buy into it. I don't think dual cabs with this small rear tray are practical for Londoners in any line of work. I don't see them being banned but compared to a modern electric car they look very anachronistic to me but I am an Aussie over here. @@Wdeane1957
@JernejBu
10 ай бұрын
You are missing the point. They filmed those river (and some other) scenes in a country that completely bans off road driving as depicted. The river scene is also on the edge of a national park. Their excuse was "filmed on private land". Well, no. Beyond that being a poor excuse and would have made no legal difference, a river is constitutionally not private land. Good on Toyota Adria for distancing themselves entirely from this ad.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Which country was this and how do you know?
@JernejBu
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBC made 3 years ago by Papaya films/Bas production on location in Slovenia and Croatia (other than desert) kzitem.info/news/bejne/ooubr3qCrHmfm6g Locations are easy to figure out and Toyota Adria made their (nothing to do with us, we are just as appaled as everyone) statement to local media.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Thanks. Seems like a lot of expense for a very short and to my mind, ineffective film. Agree with your points, would have mentioned them had I known. Did Toyota Adria release a statement?
@WhateverItTakesLIVE
10 ай бұрын
apologise on behalf of the uk😮💨
@g0fvt
10 ай бұрын
You have to wonder how stupid the complainants think everyone else is. Car commercials have always been dramatic and most of us know they don't represent real life. In defence of the powerslide kicking up dust, cattle do too and artistically it fits. Do these same people complain about advertisements promoting airlines? An advertisement is to promote a product, not to be a gold standard of how to behave responsibly.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Good point re airliners as air travel is VERY environmentally unsound as I showed in my emissions comparison. So yes they should be against foreign holidays. Wonder if they are. Also liked "promote a product not be a gold standard". I agree, but I also think that advertisers do have a responsibility to promote best practice where possible. Powersliding is not appropriate offroad and they should have found some other shot instead.
@g0fvt
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBC thank you for the reply, the adverts for my car showed smiling happy couples with well behaved children, not my wife and I being miserable and scowling at each other. In one advert the young smiley people were towing a trailer with a speedboat presumably meaning they were about to do more environmental damage. In another commercial an attractive young lady is power sliding the car on a beach and driving through the shallows. I am not even allowed to have attractive young ladies in my car... I feel swindled.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Yes, there is an odd focus on 4x4s as environmentally damaging when there's so much else; powerboating, towing horse floats and so on. I could drive my Lotus to a racetrack, spend the day lapping, and use less fuel than someone who has towed a horse float to a dressage event. Or a glider to an airfield, particularly if you then need to fetch the glider from some far-off paddock. I think all these recreations are valid, but not all are targeted. Why, one wonders. As for attractive young ladies - put an attractive young man in your car and they may be interested, get your wife to select one for you :-)
@orangejuicepony6881
10 ай бұрын
Lets no let the fact the London has completely destroyed a humungous area and natural ecosystem and polluted get in the way of an add. How naïve of the complainant.
@zeitgeist785
10 ай бұрын
You’ve got to be kidding with your comparison - assuming the 4wd family won’t fly because they will go camping but the other family will fly? Sketchy logic at best. Just admit the plan truth and move on.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Why is that unrealistic? My own family has done exactly that. And what is the plain truth then?
@zeitgeist785
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBC Your family is hardly representative of all families. At least provide some sort of statistic or some research for using that assumption.
@zeitgeist785
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBC And the plain truth is this -4WDs harm society and the environment more than the typical passenger car. 4WDs use more fuel, use more resources to manufacture and to maintain and kill and injure more pedestrians and road users than typical passenger cars (on a per km driven basis). That is the price society pays for us to have a vehicle that we can have fun in, go camping in the bush, drive on the beach etc. That this simple set of facts are conveniently ignored about 4WDs is comical. I own a 4wd and at least I am aware that my decision has these impacts.
@jchirnside
9 ай бұрын
Cancelled is the new Banned 😂
@benzlover55
10 ай бұрын
It was a professional driver on a closed course, i fail to see any real issue here, especially since advertisements for everything is built around hype and hyperbole. All this means is more British agenda pushing nonsense as per usual.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
What's a "British agenda" ?
@CamiloSantana
10 ай бұрын
regarding the A/B point you've made here, i think it would be more helpful to provide statistics for how these 4WDs are being used. the ad seemed geared for suburbanites who will get outdoors once a year but drive daily in an urban environment... but i don't have statistics myself so i can't argue either way. i think the only response here is a shrug 🤷🏾
@redcarguy
9 ай бұрын
i see... skidding a Hilux is the new first world problem #1 in UK 😀
@L2SFBC
9 ай бұрын
:-)
@landmannmike
10 ай бұрын
Totally agree that the off road element filmed in some far away land is inappropriate for a UK advertisement where no such terrain is available. Strange that Land Rover Defenders are advertised is a very similar way, on the edge of a cliff which is clearly nowhere near a road. Then again, Toyota invest zero money in the UK unlike Nissan, Tata, Ford, BMW, Mercedes etc.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Personally I don't think that ad worked for me at all. One hell of a lot of money for...what. Not very clever, didn't show anything amazing, pretty meh. But that wasn't the point of my analysis.
@ronanwhite6785
10 ай бұрын
So Toyota currently build various Corolla models in the UK at Burnaston in Derbyshire, and have also contributed over £6.3 million to UK charities? I believe all those employed by Toyota GB might think otherwise of your belief that they contribute zero….
@MrDingaling007
10 ай бұрын
Ugh these people need to be cancelled. And you too Robert if you keep going on about carbon footprints.
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
Why is that?
@MrDingaling007
10 ай бұрын
@@L2SFBC Sarcasm was not detected. Well, I was pretending to be a lefty with the cancel everything i disagree with group think.
@briantoner5247
10 ай бұрын
0:09 banned eh 😮😮😮
@pawerak5668
10 ай бұрын
I totally disagree with the apraoch of the video. In my opinion calculating and comapring families carbon footprint is not only a huge invasion of privacy but an attack of individual freedom. Right ahead of us there is a future when someone will force me to abandon my beacon and eggs, beacuse it is not environmentally friendly. Climate certainly needs protection, and preservation but that aproach is eco-terrorism and nothing more. What is more, Toyota Hilux is a utility vehicle designed like a work horse, it is not bigger or more wasteful that it needs to be to complete its job. What about a huge luxury SUVs? Even worse, horribly inefficient 3 ton electric SUVs?
@L2SFBC
10 ай бұрын
The family calculations were examples I didn't invade anyone's privacy to get the data. The sources are cited.
@operation4wheelz
10 ай бұрын
👍
@briantoner5247
10 ай бұрын
2:03 that’s so stupid.
@Jabberwocky-rr8le
10 ай бұрын
or maybe its banned bcoz most freedom fighters use toyota to fight western terrorists. 😂😂😂
@april7_
10 ай бұрын
Hopefully my 1990 Hilux is still after 30+ years of use environmentally ok, I try to not skid too much!
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