I was actually here for this! He was going so much faster in person... you can actually see the delay from the crowd haha. I was in the back. The room was soo quiet and Klinger is debating with a camp kid and the person he is debating is way funny.
@aksprkl6594
7 жыл бұрын
Anyone who can't understand this obviously doesn't listen to enough rap. I'm trained to understand Eminem. I got this.
@ladhkay
7 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly I could keep up and understand most of what was said...
@MultiBlasian
11 жыл бұрын
National circuit is more of a reference to the TOC than NFL.
@ironmantis25
10 жыл бұрын
fuck it, I'll just get a computer to read it
@InfurnozzPlayzMC
7 жыл бұрын
I swear to god my friend can speak faster then this so I technically have a trained ear but since of that "OHHHHHHH" I lost track and now everything got jumbled for 10seconds then i got back on track,
@Deconstruction7
11 жыл бұрын
I flow my partner's 2AR. Some people just like a complete flow
@cwileycarter
16 жыл бұрын
time limits and speed are all part of the game. the game is what makes debate fun, and encourages more participation. they are critical to debate stategy, and actually learning to think quickly and speak quickly teaches you how to connect several arguments in a more logical way, and also how to identify and make the important arguments, AND ALSO what parts of an the other team's arguments to target to make an overall more logical advocacy in the round.
@doubleetendre
7 жыл бұрын
Is she taking notes? What could she possibly be writing?
@heylinedgear3510
5 жыл бұрын
Anybody not in policy debate cant, for obvious reasons, comprehend what anyone could take from the speeches. But surprisingly, you get into a sorta “zone” during debate where you can write down what you need to and prep your next speech. I do policy myself, and if I focus, I can catch almost everything he says, and can detect the most important points he makes. But if I’m casually watching this, fuck no I wouldn’t catch half of it.
@heylinedgear3510
5 жыл бұрын
Also around 6:04ish, everyone laughs at the joke the dude made. Which adds onto the point that experienced policy debaters have no problem keeping up. Also keep in mind the judges have to keep up with flows/ write notes down too, which adds onto the point that they can simultaneously listen and write down what they need to even with the fast talking/ spreading
@notcomp1ex0
5 жыл бұрын
Lance Prep wow ld debaters can toooooo
@aleemahmed8384
3 жыл бұрын
@@notcomp1ex0 But can you, Eric?
@MrBRSchool
11 жыл бұрын
Won a tourney spreading as fast as possible in POFO just for laughs once. Poor kids didn't know what hit them.
@eLurkr
14 жыл бұрын
wow, klinger seems much more human on youtube then on tv i can almost flow what he is saying
@Eskimobob525767
15 жыл бұрын
Spreading is so fun to watch because they are always catching their breath.
@debaterollie
16 жыл бұрын
Bet this guy could deliver a speech on any subject with 15 seconds notice that is 3x better than anything you could prepare in a month.
@jjpangify
13 жыл бұрын
why is there so much hate comments on these videos? its a policy debate round. spreading, gasping, and all that stuff is alll apart of policy.. if it bugs you or u dont like it, then dont watch the video, no ones forcing u. justdont sit and complain about it. enjoy the video for what its worth
@bogay1330
11 жыл бұрын
The speed of speech actually has a lot of implications in everyday life. For instance, you have to develop the ability to develop arguments on the fly. You can also get a lot better at analyzing documents quickly, which can help with school projects, and researching things in general.
@colinag6
14 жыл бұрын
its because we have 5 min speechs in the rebutals so we read fast to get in more arguments
@solistus
16 жыл бұрын
It's quite simple, really. No matter what, there need to be some time limits - a tournament simply cannot continue if rounds do not end after a predictable period of time. Also, no matter what, debaters will speak as fast as possible - no matter how much time you have, you can get more arguments in if you go faster. Going faster doesn't make the arguments any more or less logical, but if your arguments are good, then going fast means you can make more good arguments.
@connorduke4619
7 жыл бұрын
A self -defeating exercise. From experience you will never convince a room of executives by speaking in this way, they''ll say *"slow down and stick to your main point"*.
@MrLukec360
7 жыл бұрын
Ecky Thimble This event made me an exceptional speaker. Sure this style won't get you far in real life, but the skills you obtain through doing high level policy debate definitely will.
@dylanfrederick7379
7 жыл бұрын
Exactly what Luke Carnes said. Obviously you cant communicate this way to a complete random person, but debating like this constantly allows you to process a surprising amount of information in a relatively short amount of time. What you're not seeing is the evidence being read in the constructive speeches that form a warranted basis for their arguments, as well as cross examinations given at normal speaking speed, and generally the entire picture of what happened in the debate. Ask any policy debater yourself and they're more than likely to tell you it was an extremely worthwhile experience.
@sfl928
2 жыл бұрын
tired of “spreading bad” comments on debate videos 😭
@DavidSSabb
9 жыл бұрын
If I was the judge I would have taken off speaks for that first line, there's no need to bring personal insults into it just for a laugh.
@jakeberran
7 жыл бұрын
DavidSSabb Actually, those 5 seconds cost him the entire debate, he could have fit in 37 key extensions in that time, but he didn't. Just kidding...
@1337Tempest
12 жыл бұрын
So this is what policy debate is all about... yeah I'm sticking to LD.
@EebstertheGreat
16 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's true that he outweighs the DA anyways through nuke war (possibly, depending on the impact extensions), the relevant fact is that he OWNS the DA in every other way. What I was saying is that Malthus sucks, and even if it were sweet, it wouldn't link to landmines, which only prevent 10-12K in direct losses, which is way to tiny to link into overpopulation. You can't link Malthus off of the terminal nuke war impact, since nuke war isn't a normal population check.
@MrYzzy2012
13 жыл бұрын
@GenMussolini so, I definitely thought this too, but then I had a long talk with a guy who won the TOC and the NDT (in essence, a badass) and his argument basically boiled down to "more arguments are good" and "if you can do it fast, you can do it slow". So, even if you would never talk this fast in a courtroom, think about what he's saying--every word is important. If he were in a courtroom, he would slow it down. Duh. There may be no application for speaking this fast but there is application
@demotheses
16 жыл бұрын
Yeah this wasn't that fast, but it was pretty great clarity. I prefer good slow debate in LD, but this was a GREAT policy speech.
@americangirlinjapan
15 жыл бұрын
Is it ok that I worship this guy? Dude. Really.
@ashwinvarma5953
11 жыл бұрын
Klinger is absurdly good.
@grafKid314
15 жыл бұрын
that was nice...if that had been a 2AC i could not have flown that lol
@EebstertheGreat
16 жыл бұрын
Ha, the other team ran Malthus against Landmines, what a terrible idea. I mean, even if Malthus didn't suck in the first place, 10-12 thousand lives per year wouldn't set it off. Nothing too special in that 2AR, it just shows how much they must've owned the whole round. I like the way it started, though. That IS what happens when you let the weaker debater give the 2NR.
@franklintheturtle455
14 жыл бұрын
He's not super fast but he's extremely techincal
@93roggrant
15 жыл бұрын
GET YO ASS WOOPED!!! That had to be one of the best 2AR's I've ever heard. Even though I didn't see the rest of the debate I'm pretty sure the aff won
@someonesomewhere2112
14 жыл бұрын
In college Debate, the speeches usually have a minute more time than in High school. He looks old enough to be in college.
@demotheses
16 жыл бұрын
I wish that kids beat Malthus like this every time. I HATE being forced to vote on it... a lot.
@MrYzzy2012
13 жыл бұрын
@GenMussolini for thinking this fast. If you can think on your feet enough that you can get a non-pre written (because he's just saying what he's thinking here, this isn't written out anywhere) speech out like this, you can easily hop up in a courtroom and make slow, resoned, persuasive arguments.
@palmjang5788
10 жыл бұрын
Sounded so good.
@bogay1330
11 жыл бұрын
Check out Dan Bannister's version on our channel, as he follows in Klinger's footsteps whilst emerging as one of the top novices in the state of Minnesota.
@mattaecus
5 жыл бұрын
This guy cant spread THAT fast.
@kageyama01
4 жыл бұрын
this guy won the TOC in high school and was top speaker at the NDT in college for Harvard. also has won the Copeland which is given to the best policy team over an entire season. has won double digit national tournaments and is universally considered one of the most naturally talented debaters the activity has ever seen. yeah he's definitely not going at any ridiculous speed (its obviously a camp demo debate) but you have no idea what you're talking about
@jjpangify
13 жыл бұрын
@drinkmouse its called flowing. they write down all the arguments that the speaker is saying. it takes alot of time practice and skill to be able to efficently flow
@demotheses
16 жыл бұрын
I agree that in general it is less helpful and persuasive in the real world. But in policy debate, especially on the national circuit, I don't mind it anymore. As long as they are getting GOOD arguments in with that speed. The problem with debate isn't so much speed, it's quality of argument. This guy does a great job. But most judges are excepting ANY argument on the flow as a response, I only accept good ones.
@izzyczzunow
13 жыл бұрын
This guy sounds completely normal compared to some fools.
@cacemphaton
15 жыл бұрын
i concur absolutely-preening fanboys amazed at speed, oblivious to argumentatio ACTUALLY BEING USED IN REASONING. when i cogitate, i don't spin around the room making myself sizzy. it takes time, like adolescence.
@Rowdypill
12 жыл бұрын
The problem comes in that such types of arguments made in policy debate, in spite of having all of the jargon, generally only evaluate arguments at a prima facia, providing a noticeable slant in the course of the rounds. Instead of the quality of the arguments really being debated, we wind-up having more than less a counter, with people bragging about having 3 responses to every argument presented in a constructive which then frames a debate and spins it into a who dropped what. Not compelling.
@thenamedoesnotmatter
14 жыл бұрын
This 2AR is Beasting.
@yahitslove
16 жыл бұрын
dude totally agree. We did that too. Did u have empathy as a key to ur plan?
@DmytroRyzhkov
12 жыл бұрын
Michael Klinger is a boss.
@x4812k
16 жыл бұрын
but he was a lab leader? that's boss
@bogay1330
11 жыл бұрын
Policy is so much better.
@thairrificflute
12 жыл бұрын
Actually this guy is abnormally, ridiculously clear. He's not super fast, either; most national circuit constructives are significantly harder to flow.
@mariolinkfanatic
16 жыл бұрын
It's sad that people believe that speed trades off with quality of arguments. Anybody can make good arguments, not many can make it at 400 wpm.
@Noah-Lach
7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Jimmy from GTA 5.
@twweety9
13 жыл бұрын
@soonergaret the way we do policy debate is in a way strange however it allows you to speak more tolerable when speaking normally this way of debate also allows you to put more arguments on the table which allows you to be more intellegent because you are researching more. also it allows kids to read faster which in the long run will help ACT scores
@meganreimnitz
15 жыл бұрын
really?!? what are the odds? that was such an entertaining round though. and then being the very odd person i am i decided to go and reasearch it. come to find out most of the stuff makes sense. not completely sold on it still thought
@x4812k
16 жыл бұрын
well said.
@drinkmouse
13 жыл бұрын
@MrYzzy2012 That's what it all boils down to... the bins. The bins truly represent policy debate.
@x4812k
16 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing.
@demotheses
16 жыл бұрын
I don't think many people think this tradeoff is inherent, it's what a certain sect of debaters are doing with it. They make crappy arguments but win because they make more of them.
@shoesandgum
15 жыл бұрын
Indeed, Ph33rb0t. Not only does his "definition" make me wonder how old his computer is, I would love to see Sir cacemphaton pull out a source for it. Funny, to bring up ad hominem, a mere two words after beginning his rant by calling me "dooosh". And, might I end by asking who is truly the "indignant moron", or, in /slower/ terms, who posts two consecutive times, with neither argument substancial enough to be logical?
@drinkmouse
13 жыл бұрын
Why is this Guy Talking to me like this? Why is he so Insane? WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE LAUGHING. YOURE ALL CRAZY. WHY IS HE USING A BIN AS A PODIUM WHAT THE HELL!
@nicholaslee5473
7 жыл бұрын
I found Fishlegs :D
@someonesomewhere2112
14 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've seen him on the coverage of the NDT.
@timm3ad
13 жыл бұрын
i love this
@DraconicFury
11 жыл бұрын
It is a rebuttal so i guess that's why he's not speaking faster
@cacemphaton
15 жыл бұрын
it means the argument is lost; it means the verbal speed is the focus, not the arguments- you deceive yourself if you imagine everyone is on the same point as your hyperbabble- they are impaired in their concentration by your antics. If the argument were so great, you would spell it out-so long as you really wanted it evaluated on its own merits; but you don't. you want it evaluated in terms of its speed of delivery, how much was crammed in, etc. R U really not getting this yet, speedo !?!
@EebstertheGreat
16 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think he did. He's also Asian. I'm not sure what these people are talking about. And Klinger might be sweet, but he's not necessarily any better than all the other ToC winners.
@Mo-mz2dq
7 жыл бұрын
Just give them the paper.
@aldemchips565
9 жыл бұрын
Lol that opening statement though. And we get disqualified (in policy) if we spread.
@Claytonnn
6 жыл бұрын
Aldem Chips what the fuck, spreading is ENCOURAGED in policy in the vast majority of the country.
@heylinedgear3510
5 жыл бұрын
Oof those lay judges
@persrap22
16 жыл бұрын
He wasnt in high school last year.
@DraconicFury
11 жыл бұрын
This was the 1AR so it is going to be significantly clearer usually. He spreads much faster in the constructives
@444DeanMachine
16 жыл бұрын
Brav-Freakin-O!
@444DeanMachine
16 жыл бұрын
good job bro keep up the work :) I'm going to be debating for Minnesota state... are you new to policy?
@bogay1330
11 жыл бұрын
And yet debaters learn about current events, and important moral philosophies. That's like calling Football a sham, because it is just a sport made by insecure people who want to make themselves feel good by running with a ball, and avoiding being touched by other men. Debate is a competitive activity, and it has its place. Also, philosophy belongs everywhere in modern day life. The only people who don't like philosophy are those who don't understand it. Do you?
@obiwan4210
16 жыл бұрын
He goes a minute past 5 minutes? When did rebuttals become 6 minute speeches?
@ashwinvarma5953
9 жыл бұрын
Goddamn Klinger
@mysterysailboat
13 жыл бұрын
@zoeviz000 that's how you train 'em - thus, it becomes compulsive.
@jalonalexander23
16 жыл бұрын
look guys im on the debate team and i haave a tornament in ld commin up i wanted to know if u guys could tell me how to counter a fast arrogant speaker i dont talk fast when i debate
@jainabraina
6 жыл бұрын
This boi slow
@kyojins9467
5 жыл бұрын
this is a decent speed for a 2ar but still slow lol
@x7xnadiax7x
17 жыл бұрын
haha awesome.
@hoozy344
5 жыл бұрын
Dang I didn’t know Mandark did debate
@datdivauluv
16 жыл бұрын
he sounds like hes rapping....uh uh
@ChristianTarsney
12 жыл бұрын
@oFILTHYo Because competitive debate is built around alternating timed speeches--if the debate is being evaluated based on arguments rather than presentation (which creates a lot of educational value in terms of engendering more rigorous arguments and greater depth of research), then the incentive is always to make more and better-developed arguments in the available speech time. If the judge can't understand it, you don't get credit for the argument...
@runescapewiz417
16 жыл бұрын
he wasn't reading. klinger once read 100 cards in a round.
@x4812k
16 жыл бұрын
was klinger a lab leader?
@kj762aa
16 жыл бұрын
I like the order of your arguments in this comment time allocation is also good you could expand more on the link because that is shady but that is nothing that would have lost you the comment you were ahead coming out of the point B actually lol
@swimmingchicken7254
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone have the full round
@ChristianTarsney
12 жыл бұрын
@oFILTHYo ...yes? He's making intelligent, articulate arguments that reflect an impressive depth of understanding on international relations issues. Having complex and challenging debates about those sorts of issues seems to me like it has a point...why doesn't it to you? Also, even if what he was saying wasn't particularly intelligent, you can't have seen very many gay or pointless things for this to be the one that takes the cake in both categories.
@TesseractDigital
13 жыл бұрын
why people talking about spreading here? This might be faster than normal conversation but its slow enough for a non-debater to understand if they focus and listen closely.
@dragonstar4647
17 жыл бұрын
yeah klinger!
@drinkmouse
13 жыл бұрын
Is this some kind of sick joke that i'm not a part of? Who are you people?
@chairmobile
11 жыл бұрын
Fair enough.
@JC_Revan
11 жыл бұрын
Why on earth is his partner flowing the 2AR?
@joncas54castle24
5 жыл бұрын
What would you do if you were sitting there? Just nod and smile?
@aisha.b.4090
5 жыл бұрын
Some people like to give rebuttal redos in practice or maybe she just wants a complete flow, idk
@bogay1330
11 жыл бұрын
what argumentation are you referring to?
@shoesandgum
15 жыл бұрын
You'll have to directly click "Reply" on his comment, otherwise he won't get a notification.
@ubermensch826
11 жыл бұрын
if it's so absurd i guess you could easily beat the top debaters from the country whose arguments "always end up at nuclear warfare."
@franklintheturtle455
13 жыл бұрын
i don't see why the "beat down" is such a humongous deal. it's a pretty damn good 2AR but it's not god-like. I could have sworn i saw him at alta though.
@kj762aa
16 жыл бұрын
do you know what policy debate is if you don't then you need to step out of prep time
@joshtheguitarfreak
17 жыл бұрын
i can spread too but part of this he screwed up and it sounded like he was speaking cling-on. Also the neg should be able to rip this guy a new one on a landmines aff
@_dreatx
15 жыл бұрын
zing!
@ChamomileThePoetShaman
13 жыл бұрын
Pfft, Policy debate. Noobs! HOWEVER, this IS my favorite Policy debate video EVER LD FOR LIFE!
@josephegleston8834
7 жыл бұрын
dafuq
@joeisnotahoe
14 жыл бұрын
Bahaha, the 2n in this video goes to my school.
@MrHalfempty5
11 жыл бұрын
my 2ar in JV octafnals of the recent Gonaga tourney was this
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