We Beatles fans don’t mean to be rude. We are just slightly obsessed 🤩. The Beatles had a large outer circle. I’d say the difference between inner and outer circles is that the inner circle became like family, and some literally were. Stuart was very close to John - probably should be in the inner circle. Thanks for including Freda Kelly, Geoff Emerick, and Ivan Vaughn to whom we owe a great debt! With the exception of a few who shall remain nameless, the Beatles had some excellent people around them. Thank you for these videos!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome and thanks for interacting 👍
@streaming1950
Жыл бұрын
You owe no one an apology! I love your work.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@Slydeil
Жыл бұрын
Sad to hear of the comments issues Tudor, keep up the interesting and entertaining videos. You have made a good and thoughtful list of those people which are the main influences and help for the band. The "sticky out ears" interview with Astrid Kirchner is a new one to me. Just goes to show the strange twists and turns which help the creative process. Her photos and style guidance was essential to their development. Here's a few other names in the same frame of reference Harry Benson - Photographer who was with them on the early tours Mohammed Ali (C. Clay), Paris hotel photo hearing about their first US No.1). Richard Lester - Film director whose ground breaking film techniques style and humour in A Hard Days Night helped cement their image and style. Dick James - Music Publisher who helped set up Northern Songs and was a close associate till the end when he sold the company behind Lennon and McCartney's back, which ripples are still felt today.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
There were so many people involved in this huge organisation right? I was more far-reaching than just four musicians writing songs and making albums.
@Slydeil
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith Yeah and a lot who were crucial to how things turned out. Their taste and talent were also remarkable, they barely put a foot wrong until after Mr Epstein's death.
@JoeBlow-fp5ng
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you included Pete Shotton and Ivan Vaughn.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
They had to be included 👍
@ernesttbass6420
Жыл бұрын
I remember hearing how the lyric "Please lock me away" from the Peter and Gordon song "A World Without Love" used to crack Lennon up. I can easily believe that! Really enjoy your videos Tudor!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
🤣 they had such different writing styles!
@thereunionparty
Жыл бұрын
Hi Tudor. Excellent as always. I can't imagine why anyone would want to give you grief for any of your Beatles related videos. I hadn't realised until now what a key figure Ivan Vaughan was. I can see from the photos he remained involved with the band long after the early years. But what if, as you say, he hadn't introduced Paul to John at that summer fete in 1957? And what a claim to fame to have for the rest of his life! Of course, there might be some people you have missed even now. I would suggest Richard Lester who directed A Hard Day's Night and Help (and John in How I Won The War).
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Ivan was an integeral figure in the Beatles story that's for sure. And yeah, I reckon the list is endless. Perhaps an outer-outer-outer circle. Hmm...going a bit far I think 🤣
@batesblues
Жыл бұрын
I love your videos. You are genuine and fun. Don't change a thing.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
What a nice thing to say. Thank you 🙏
@1rsalc
Жыл бұрын
Ah great, you included Freda Kelly!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
A serious contender for back office staff!
@aceopinions
3 ай бұрын
Fascinating video. I also enjoyed your last video. The several people with varying degrees of connection and influence had to bifurcated into the "inner" and "outer" - and you did a splendid job. I have been an obsessed Beatle fan for 60 years, own just about everything they recorded, and about 50 books on the Beatles about their music, biographies, and associations. - I think that gives me some credibility in assessing your information. Although I knew of everyone you mentioned , I did learn some things I did not know!!! Ignore any negative comments - fantastic job !. Many thanks , Tom
@FloraAshley
Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe people were so rude to you, Tude. That’s sad and ridiculous. Sad that social media is so toxic and that people have no manners and think being rude to someone (anyone) who is putting out content is ok. I’ve learnt so much from you even though I’ve been a Beatles fan as long as they arrived on the radio in Britain. They felt like family. I just enjoyed their music and ignored most of the rubbish people used to spout. I enjoy your vids immensely as I hope you know. Big hug and many thanks for your enlightening KZitem vids. X P.S. have a cuppa! That always sorts things out.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
That's the way of the world though eh?
@FloraAshley
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith sadly it is now. I had to correct my sentence as I hadn’t completed my thought on one. Was tired when I wrote it. X
@user-qq7rj3il3j
4 ай бұрын
That was a super account of The Beatles Outer Circle Tudor delivered with expert knowledge. Thanks.😊
@TudorSmith
4 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@adrianburn7178
Жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work. Your videos are always enjoyable and informative.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@Paisly17
Жыл бұрын
Don’t apologise for idiots Tudor. You do the best stuff 😊 Are Pete Shotton and Ivan Vaughan still alive? Another video?
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Definitely a good idea for a video (or two). Sadly both Pete and Ivan have passed away.
@shippy555
Жыл бұрын
Another great video. The 2 pictures at 12:04 - 12:10 are of engineer Ken Scott, not Geoff Emerick. Still a good video though!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
No No No! Another incorrect picture! Thanks for highlighting it though. I'll leave it in for posterity 🤣
@MrPorter7
Жыл бұрын
Good job! I appreciate your efforts! Keep it up.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@edwardmeradith2419
Жыл бұрын
Dude, you’ve got balls to put stuff out there - the social-media aspects of KZitem can be viscous. I’m too sensitive to do it- f the critics. I enjoyed both videos very much. Thank You!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I’m learning that for you negative there are literally hundreds of positives. I’m not taking the bad ones to heart 👍
@daviddowns7552
Жыл бұрын
Astrid was a beautiful gal imo.
@williamneillgross3926
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the follow-up! This was super cool, I saw some photos I've never seen before.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
It had to be done - a lot of great names were raised from the previous video 👍
@jjag1027
Жыл бұрын
Excellent " outer-inner" circle! Great research and narration! Can't beleive some would criticize with all your hard work ! Anyway there's a lot of us who get it!🙏Love this channel...all you need is Love!... somebody said that somewhere I think?👍✌️🫡
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
You say one thing wrong and it all goes to pot!
@robertbyrne522
Жыл бұрын
Thank You so much for this 2nd Beatles Inner Circle video. I enjoyed both the first and the second one immensely. And Thank You for all your hard work. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, I don't know if you had considered May Pang as well. Maybe you could do a video on her in the future. Once again, Thank You for these most enjoyable works. 👍🙂
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed them! May Pang. She could make an interesting subject. It was I feel a liberating period of John's life - just my opinion though.
@stuarttaylor4269
Жыл бұрын
just a point.............the first picture you show of Ivan Vaughan is actually singer SIMON SCOTT singing into the microphone, he had a minor hit with "Move it baby " in 1964 and sang on READY STEADY GO odd times in 1964/65, you showed him in the previous video and his face as been bugging me ever since.....now at 1.30am I finally remembered his name.........nice follow up ...well done.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
No No No! I tried so hard too! I wonder if I can edit that first picture out. Whilst googling for Ivan Vaughan pictures that one came up. I kind of felt it wasn't him. Doh! Thanks for clearing it up though - especially since it was bugging you in the wee small hours!
@BeatlemaccaAR
Жыл бұрын
Interesting topic! Thanks Tudor!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@coonpoon1
6 ай бұрын
Another fine job Smith. Starting to get hooked on your content!
@TudorSmith
6 ай бұрын
Thanks very much. The videos are for the most part my thoughts and opinions so maybe not always 100% spot in but that’s what the comments section is for - to allow folks to discuss. Thank you for watching though 🙏
@tomscott7271
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for both videos on those that influenced the Beatles success. Keep up the great work!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom 👍
@tomasfagerberg6323
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for that last take, about the destiny. You can also called it predestination. Of course you're right about this. The Beatles were predestinated to come together and making history. As you said in one way or another they would have come together and made it. With or without Ivan Vaughan or Brian Epstein. But because Ivan and Brian and all the other important figures around the Beatles was there, they were also predestinated to be a part of the history. Of course things can happen that change the route, but then you just find another way to come to the goal.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Parallel universes and all of that stuff 😉
@ModernNomad
Жыл бұрын
Great great stuff, don’t mind the crazies in the comments
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Cheers. They are but a minority!
@Larrymh07
Жыл бұрын
It's interesting to note that some great bands had early, brief and influential members; Stu Sutcliffe, Syd Barrett, Skip Spence, Brian Jones, Ronnie Laws, Ramsey Lewis...
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the impact had those band members remained in the bands? Would the bands better or worse? For the Beatles, Paul May never have taken to bass and we know how good he is playing that!
@Larrymh07
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith Yes, I agree. Especially on your point about Paul's bass playing!
@bennyfactor1
Жыл бұрын
To launch Apple Paul came up with the ad idea of a typical middle aged, middleclass dressed one man band with the caption 'This Man Has Talent'. The straightest man he knew was Alistair Taylor. So he got the job
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Seems to me that Paul demonstrated his art capabilities as often as John did!
@Ptpop
Жыл бұрын
The only experts on The Beatles are Paul and Ringo….living that is.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
And they have trouble remember things!
@alanstead7617
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your work. 😀
@TudorSmith
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching 🙏
@johndixon3631
Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed both videos, thanks Tudor. It's a subjective topic so not everyone will agree - but I pity people who have got nothing better to do than complain. Amazing fact about the Klaus riff on Carly Simon's "You're so vain." You referenced a Rutles joke about tight trousers in the first video, and I've been enjoying their music over the last few days. If you haven't heard "Questionnaire" please give it a listen - I think you'd enjoy it. Peace brother.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thanks John. Yeah subjective! Almost everyone has accepted that and gladly given their own names up for offer. Ah the Rutles Archaeology album. A masterpiece from Easy Listening to Shangri-La 👍
@tyronewhitehead3123
Жыл бұрын
Thankyou Tudor
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
My pleasure. Thanks for sticking with me 🙏
@LapsangTe
Жыл бұрын
They should do a biopic about "Magic Alex". He seems to have been a classic mythomaniac. He believed he was a genius and probably didn't intend to fool people, but it became an expensive lesson for The Beatles. Later on he started a security company and tried to sell a bullet proof car, which turned out to to be everything but bulletproof when tested.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
A man of great dreams and aspersions no doubt. But perhaps didn’t have the actual skills but just the gift of talking it all into existence?
@hubridgell4511
Жыл бұрын
A good idea I think would be to do a 45 or so minute video on each of these outer circle people- they might be more interesting than the inner circle people! You could even interview some of them or people who knew them, family members etc
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
That’s an interesting idea- I wonder if anyone would consent to an interview. There were many intriguing characters in and around the Beatles that’s for sure.
@hubridgell4511
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith there are -- kiss podcasts don’t scoff- who get MASSIVE VIEWS with interviews with outer circle type guests - people LOVE THE NITTY GRITTY STORIES!!!
@hubridgell4511
Жыл бұрын
Three Sides of the Coin is one such podcast- tons of outer circle type related guests- in my opinion those might be the VERY BEST GUESTS TO HAVE FOR A PROGRAM LIKE YOURS! You can also get their friends and family members too. They are excellent guests too.
@davidkornblatt851
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure it’s evident that Beatles phenomenon was created by an ARMY of people!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Yep I totatlly agree!
@doktoruzo
Жыл бұрын
Lol, nice one Tudor. I knew you had opened a can of worms after your initial video on the 'inner circle'. What about a video entitled ...'The Hangers-On'. I'm sure that would be a very long video. Or 'Wives, girlfriends and lovers'...that would be an interesting one. (Dot Rhone, Iris Caldwell, May Pang, Bettina, Francie Schwartz...I could go on!)
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Oh no! Can you imagine the flak if I even dared to mention someone as a "hanger-oner" although I'll bet there are more than a few! 🤣
@doktoruzo
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith .😂🤣
@jeanmyers1787
2 ай бұрын
Great fascinating videos ❤
@hazwilliams1
Жыл бұрын
Tudor are you coming to ‘i am the eggpod’ live at opera Holland Park on July 1st? Should be a great Beatles day
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t even know about that event. I’ll look it up 👍
@artangel4172
Жыл бұрын
Hi Tudor, great video! both videos! the blue meanies again hey? well it all be sorted out with tough love! keep it up and ignore! just one thing, i dont think that Mrs Ono had such an impact on the beatles and the beatles music , on john lennon yes but the beatles ...really ? m not sure. waiting for Pete Best wishes
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yeah a Pete Best special edition snob the cards 👍
@derekroberts6654
Жыл бұрын
i want to apologize and say i hope it wasn’t any of my comments that started controversy. This has me brainstorming… if you could just carry into the 70s solo years… JUST the 70s. could you talk about the inner circle of each? like Denny Laine and the rest of the Wings members, Jim Keltner, May Pang, Richard Perry and Olivia Trinidad… etc i know it’s a bit much.. i’m just brainstorming … please take you time, it’s not important..😄😉✌🏻
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
A Wings circle would be very interesting (for me at least). So many band members came and went but added valuable contributions. I'm pretty sure all of your comments were of the pleasent type 🤣 Keep 'em coming.
@TomDougherty-co7hg
Жыл бұрын
Well done!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Cheers 👍
@kennyglesga
Жыл бұрын
What next, Tudor? the Beatles outer-outer circle, as in off-off-Broaday, the best Beatles' fan clubs? The best Beatles' tribute bands? Easy, the Fab Four!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
No more circles please 🤣 I’m getting dizzy!
@kennyglesga
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith lol, windmills of your mind. Truly, you're doing great work that deepens our knowledge of the fab four. Perhaps, the best Beatle art work would be a future project.
@1rsalc
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith Speaking of tribute bands. Have you heard the Dutch band "The Analogues"? They don't dress up with costumes or wigs, but they play Beatles tunes note perfect with the same type of instruments that the Beatles used originally.
@philipeaton3102
Жыл бұрын
good some i have heard of some i have not heard of
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Cheers
@janvrolijk9126
Жыл бұрын
Nice work. Good video. Thanx.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thank you too for watching and commenting!
@KenthSandstrom
Жыл бұрын
Well done
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@jeanmyers1787
2 ай бұрын
When Harry married MM people started to call William, Kate, Harry MM the Fab Four I was totally offended, stating there could only be one Fab For 😅
@TudorSmith
2 ай бұрын
I’d be offended too 🤣
@hubridgell4511
Жыл бұрын
Norman Hurricane Smith also had a big hit himself as a singer in 1972 with Oh Babe. There’s a performance on Johnny Carson of Oh Babe that’s worth watching! It’s a Dixieland type song style that McCartney was influenced by too.
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
The engineer becomes the pop star ⭐️
@hubridgell4511
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith He definitely made an excellent record and it is still played today.
@buttercup1765
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@user-qq7rj3il3j
4 ай бұрын
Tudor in what you were saying about people making accusations which are not true, Ignore it. Critical analysis is only relevant if it is understood by all people, rather than the reverse.
@TudorSmith
4 ай бұрын
Indeed. Many people have different opinions right?
@johnbyrnes7912
Жыл бұрын
Well I enjoy your videos no matter what as it all keeps it alive and mistakes engender great feedback which adds to the enjoyment Tudor tally ho ! 🤡🌈💈🤠
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Onwards and upwards right? I don't mind being corrected on my mistakes...that's how I learn - as long as the corrections are valid. If I know I'm right (because the Beatles story says so), then I'm not entering into an argument. My subscriber count is going up and yet my favourite long term subscribers are still with me. 🤡
@johnbyrnes7912
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith I'm not sure where you place me Tudor but though I could see the omissions and some of the errors I thought I'd hold my trap this time - hope you appreciated that ! Now if you ever get to the outer-outer-outer-outer circle I may not be able to hold it back - WARNING !!! 🎱🌈🤡💈
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
I welcome corrections - because I know there will be a few. Thankfully I'm not going to get to the outer-outer-outer circle so I spared from you not holding back 🤣
@johnbyrnes7912
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith ohh! Yer thwarting my creative cruelty Tudor - rats ! 🤡💈🌈
@johnbyrnes7912
Жыл бұрын
Tudor upon reconsideration of my reply to your reply you may add another "outer" to it ! 💈🤡🌈
@johnbyrnes7912
Жыл бұрын
Gee yer fast U just spotted it as I did it! 🤡
@Aloysir
Жыл бұрын
What about Pete Best ???... you've heard about the guy ?...
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
That’s going to be a video in its own right.
@debussy2002
2 ай бұрын
Mal Evans ?
@scottbrower9052
Жыл бұрын
First comment!
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
First reply to first comment 👍
@staceykeeley4219
Жыл бұрын
Surely Yoko should be in the inner circle no?
@TudorSmith
Жыл бұрын
Depends on who you talk to! Many have commented suggesting she should be in the inner circle and others suggest not!
@elwin38
Жыл бұрын
@@TudorSmith Yoko is complicated because there are many reasons why she should and should not be in ANY circle.😉I'm a fan of the Beatles and have watched 1000's of videos, documentaries, etc. and some of those comment sections are in the 10'000's and there are so many comments on Yoko good and mostly bad. Make sure you do your homework on Yoko because some of your so called fans will flag you down if they dont like it!
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