Changeling the lost, you start human in 2019, cross the edge and come back in cyberpunk 2077...i am gonna use that
@LoboGuara5bruxaria
4 жыл бұрын
So, lets see if I got this scaling of begginers friendless right, from easiest to hardiest game to play: Vampire Requiem Hunter the Vigil Werewolf the Forsaken/Mummy the Curse Promethean the Created/Changeling the Lost Demon the Descended Mage the Awakening Geist the Sin-Eater/Beast the Primordial
@Zekromaster
4 жыл бұрын
Easiest is just a Mortal chronicle, so Chronicles of Darkness itself.
@cosmicfails2053
2 жыл бұрын
Oh fuck me... my friends looked at the list and immediately were like "We wanna play Geists :D" *dear god...* Im gonna die... We are all new players -w-
@diodamango9426
5 жыл бұрын
I just started running games a year ago and I wish I had found this sooner. I look forward to more of your content due to my preference being CofD
@Imtrollinyoulol
5 жыл бұрын
Love what you did here! I'm just getting into these games and I swear I thought I was having a stroke trying to read some of these books, it's so satisfying to know that some are just.... Bad 😂
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Ryan McFarland Thanks, man! And yeah... it’s a lesson best learned without your wallet involved.
@Ovog95
5 жыл бұрын
Had this video on the backlog for a long time. It is a great introduction to CofD! As you said in the other podcast, it is true that almost no one talks about this. When people talk about WoD, it is mainly about VtM, so there is a lack of CofD content around. Glad you're doing your part.
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, it's a topic I want to revisit, especially with the second editions and new line announcements.
@Ovog95
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit Yeah, it a revisit would be beneficial. As this was your first video, the scrip was a bit loose, so a new one could be a bit clearer to newcomers
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Hey, the script was NOT loose. .... there was no script. Lol
@chasel.9704
5 жыл бұрын
And now I have a go-to video for when I finally present my group CoD 😁
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Happy to have you, and we have way more coming!
@katherinebrunelle9812
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I needed, thank you. I'm trying to find a new system for my games with the D&D OGL drama happening, and I really couldn't find a good place to start with this system even though it looked super interesting.
@Ellie-bs5zq
5 жыл бұрын
If I can make a case for Beast, there's three reasons it might feel lacking. While one of those is that the writing was botched, there's also a theme and a mechanical focus that are helped by the fact it's more simple (and in fact, Beast is very simple to use in rules; the main problem for a ST using it is *what to do with it*). So, first, one of the theme of Beast is "Build your own story", aka, decide your life, how it will go, who you'll be, and what people will remember about you. If the path is already fully charted with everything having already been done... there's not really a point for player to define their own story. Second... Beast has a lot of focus on crossovers, or Zoo games as you call them. They can easily be used as a catalyst for other types of supernaturals. They can bring out the best and worse out of them, and magnify their powers. The lack of lore and mechanical clutter makes it easier to do than with two lore or mechanical heavy splats. Additionally! The two other Beast books, the Night Horrors and Player Guide of Beast, address a lot of problems. Night Horrors: Conquering Heroes, despite the name, has more focus on another enemy for Beasts to engage. And that enemy makes them look like nice little kittens; it's essentially what the Strix are to the Vampires, but for Beasts. And the Beast Player Guide, despite the name, helps STs a lot with building a setting, by giving 4 organizations to play with, and allowing to explore the Primordial Dream more deeply than just the Lairs of Beasts.
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
It's funny you say this now; Beast is actually the Guide I'm working on as we speak, and I talk about almost all of this. Lol
@Ellie-bs5zq
5 жыл бұрын
Oops! Seems like I'm being redundant then, haha. Guess it couldn't be helped since I found the channel only today. Anyway, good content, and I'm impatient to see that video!
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Not at all, we've been mostly quiet about our projects, and Beast isn't exactly one of the books that gets much attention online. Sorry about the quality of some of the earlier Guides, as I was still learning how to cleanly record. Thanks for checking us out!
@fbfulton90
5 жыл бұрын
It really saddens me you didn’t enjoy beast a little more, though I can completely understand your points on the matter. Hopefully you’ll still be doing a beginners guide and may I suggest giving the short stories (in the anthology book I think?) a read I think it could be a helpful tool painting a more concise picture for newbies.
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
We’ll definitely be putting together an unbiased Beginners Guide for Beast; just because we’re not wild about it doesn’t mean others won’t be, and they deserve a Guide, too. I’ll read through those before the video; it can’t hurt. Thanks for the heads up!
@rudolfambrozenvtuber
Ай бұрын
Given your thoughts on Changeling: the Dreaming...not a huge Princess fan I'd guess?
@TheBotchPit
Ай бұрын
Allow me a preface here; this is Chris responding to this. I personally do not care for the Dreaming, and I care even less for homebrew typically. That said, Nick loves them both. I just happened to be the one making that video so I do NOT speak for the crew on this, that's just my view.
@tiagogloria155
5 жыл бұрын
I've just started reading the Chronicles of Darkness and Mage: the awakening 2nd ed. You mention "zoo games" quite often throught your video. Could you tell me what they are?
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! A "zoo campaign" or Chronicle is a game where the players are a mix of different types of supernaturals. Meaning one player a Mage, another a Werewolf, etcetera.
@tiagogloria155
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks,@@TheBotchPit!
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure! Don't hesitate if you ever have any questions.
@williamchristy9463
6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to firmly state: Oranges.
@cheesedemon88
5 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but Beast the Primordial really seems like Onyx Path's "Special OC that is the most badass and everyone loves them" I mean they apparently have a feature that makes other supernaturals like them... That coupled with the theme of "I have to abuse you for your own good" is a Yikes for me
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
I already started a Guide to it, but I need to revise it as it comes off very critical of it. Lol
@cheesedemon88
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit I get that, it can become very tedious to review something too negatively. I'm looking forward to it and I really appreciate your Chronicles of Darkness videos, they've been good as I'm just getting back into the game
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We have a ton coming, life just beat us up a little bit regarding being busy.
@chasel.9704
5 жыл бұрын
I’m curious: what are your thoughts on VtM5e? Personally, I just like Chronicles better: I’ve never been much for the metaplot and, in fact, view it as a hindrance. However system-wise, I think a lot of the ideas they present in VtM5e are interesting, particularly how the clans present themselves when they’re really hungry.
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
It’s funny you ask; I’m definitely a Chronicles guy at this point, that goes without saying. However, the hunger system they’ve incorporated into 5E is stellar, and at some point I’m going to come up with (and make a video about) a way to use that part of the mechanics in Requiem. It doesn’t seem that hard to do.
@remolatsky6478
4 жыл бұрын
If you really want to appreciate Vampire Horror and Humour Read the book Vampire$ by John Steakly, that the Vampires movie was badly based on (dont get me wrong I'm a massive fan of Carpenter - but he did not make the movie that the book was). It is the single best piece of vampire literature I have ever read and takes you from laughing till you wet yourself to heart pounding horror from one line to the next. Cannot recommend it enough. Read it. Read it. Read it.
@TheBotchPit
4 жыл бұрын
Noted, thanks for the recommendation!
@XCasper1999X
5 жыл бұрын
You guys are awesome! And hopefully I can get my question/observation in before you blow up too much to reasonably reply. But I wanted to say, I think Beast the Primordial works best if you look at your character as a Horror Host like the Crypt Keeper. In that they construct and feed off of ghoulish morality tales (at least to them, whether or not they're in the right is up to you I assume.) Admittedly I haven't read the rulebook yet, and am just a big fan of the concept, so I'll gladly take you on your word that the wording and direction was poorly done. I just think the concept works well if you look at it from an EC comics sort of way. Or even something like the Spectre from DC comics, if only through dreams. I was wondering if you thought that was accurate or am I way off with how they could be played/viewed?
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
First off, you have fucking excellent taste. I grew up on all of that. The pit crew calls me the Cryptkeeper here and there, actually. And you see, you hit the nail on the head. The initial concept is excellent... it's the book that gets in the way. And thirdly, we never intend to stop answering questions or hearing ideas, so thank you and don't hold back if you have them!
@XCasper1999X
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit Thank you very much for the reply! Admittedly my introduction to Crypt Keeper was through him hoasting Kids WB's Saturday morning cartoon lineup on Halloween once or twice back in the late 90s or early 2000s (I swear that really happened!) And not so much the comics though I've been wanting to rectify that in recent years. Hopefully the book will get a second edition and the concept can really be properly fleshed out. From what I've gathered from your videos it really seems like all of the Chronicles of Darkness books benefited from their second editions mechanically. Maybe when you get around to the Beast video you guys could throw in some personal recommendations to tweak the game to work a little better? If you have any that is, I'm really new to tabletop so any advice helps really.
@soul741xD
4 жыл бұрын
I think you talked very little of how Chronicles of Darkness can play by itself, great video anyway
@TheBotchPit
4 жыл бұрын
I'll be revisiting this soon. It needs an update.
@paulodantas5903
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your review! I am new to this system and I am planning into making a Vampire The Requiem 2E campaign, since I am a Bloodlines fan. Maybe it's a stupid question now but it would be ok to have a party size of 6 in a vampire setting? Like variety of powers, clans between characters and all.
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Paulo Dantas Thanks for the comment, man! And that’s not a stupid question at all. Do you mean six players or six characters in a clan/coteries?
@paulodantas5903
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit In this case, six players
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Paulo Dantas Sure, that’s absolutely doable. However, if you’re new to Storytelling, it may be a bit much. Try it out, and see whether or not you can juggle all the storytelling aspects. If it’s too much, think about rotating crews, like two groups of three. But, try the six first! Worst that can happen is friends hanging out.
@paulodantas5903
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit Thanks for the advice! I will try it out. I just finished a Savage Worlds cyberpunk campaign with my players and I am very curious about the misteriosity envolving WoD now. By the way, you got a subscriber!
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Paulo Dantas Thanks for the subscription, man! We have a TON of videos we’ve recorded and are in the process of converting to video. If there’s a topic you want us to address, let us know! What else do you play?
@rubenp8612
4 жыл бұрын
What do i need to buy to play with ghosts
@TheBotchPit
4 жыл бұрын
Your absolute best bet is Geist: the Sin-Eaters Second Edition. Not only is it dedicated almost entirely to beings that are bound to powerful Ghosts, but it also has a player class in the appendix called the "Absent", dedicated to having them as player characters. We have an entire Guide series on that line too, so check it out!
@TheBotchPit
4 жыл бұрын
Also, hop on our discord linked in the newer videos. We are there all the time to answer questions and whatnot.
@rubenp8612
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@TheBotchPit
4 жыл бұрын
@@rubenp8612 my pleasure, man. Hope it helps!
@rubenp8612
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit the thing is i really like wraith but the cronicles of darkness seems to let storytellers a little more creative freedom, thing i really like in a game, so i wondered wether there was a way to play as a ghost in this new setting, i know it'll not be as good as wraith to play as a ghost (the shadow is something i can relate to really easy) but i had that doubt
@TripleXGames
4 жыл бұрын
Wasnt one of the mage towers in the world of Fay?
@TheBotchPit
4 жыл бұрын
In first edition yes, but they changed it for second to make it more vague.
@TripleXGames
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit Awww i sorta liked that idea. Great story hook to crossover Mage and Changling
@ArkhansMadness
Жыл бұрын
What about hunter the vigil?
@anyoneatall3488
4 жыл бұрын
What would you say are the best 2e suplements?
@RotaFury
5 жыл бұрын
Hey there i had a question Well i by no means am new to world of darkness mostly the older version and bought some pdfs of Chronicles (which i enjoy). I am trying to get into it now for the first time HARD i wanna get at least the main book in all the lines (as updated as possible ect) Do you have any advice what one's to get given the names can be bit confusing at times?? I have also been wanting to run a game that is a Zoo game my self for my friends. Starting with them as children and every arch of the story they are going to be jumping some age range's until we get to them ad adults and as whatever they wanted to become (Or if they choose randomly decide). Do you have advice for this sort of thing given you have experience with Zoo games? I know when it comes out ill be getting Contagion Chronicles which is the first video i found of yours. Lastly just wanted to say from what some friends i have online told me who are much more into WoD then me currently. Beast the primordial was completely rewritten when it was about 90% ish done and that is how we got. I personally like the idea of the "Hero's" being the big bad's of Beast it is fitting for the setting BUT completely agree with it being a mess i still love the idea of it though!
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Okay, so, here we go! 1. So, they've changed their formatting a bit these days, and all core books contain all the basic rules now. The main benefit of the main core book (the Chronicles of Darkness Rulebook) is it has the most merits for mortals, and contains a new, cool investigation mechanic. Here are the main books now at this point; Vampire: the Requiem 2E Werewolf: the Forsaken 2E Mage: the Awakening 2E Changeling: the Lost 2E Geist: the Sin-Eater 2E (PDF only for a bit) Hunter: the Vigil (they're working on 2E) Mummy: the Cursed (2E about to hit KickStarter) Demon: the Descent Beast: the Primordial Deviant: the Renegades (in development) 2. You used to want to have World of Darkness: Innocents for kids, but now the rules are in that aforementioned CoD Core book. And that's actually how our initial Zoo game started. If you have any questions specifically, hit me @thebotchpit on Twitter! I'm super responsive on there. 3. We're actually doing Beast as our next Guide as we speak! I love the initial concept, it's what changed after the kickstarter that hurt it. Never hesitate to throw questions or comments to us on Twitter, as we love talking to awesome peiple who take their time to listen to our ranting. We'll be opening a Discord very soon...
@RotaFury
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit Fantastic! ill likely continue to throw my thoughts on each episode as i watch them here on youtube, ill save any questions or ect about Zoo games or ect until you guy's have a discord i think though because well honestly i don't have a Twitter and well i plan to make one at some point just no reason to currently. Thank you a ton though!
@TheBotchPit
5 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@ScarlettDaleWoodall
3 жыл бұрын
The thing about Chronicles is that I love the B string games,can't get behind the A string. Lost is complex af,but I love it. Vigil is one of my top 5 rpgs ever. It's a better action game then a Bay movie,a better story game then a Fincher movie. Awakening is cool as hell,as good as Ascension. I bought a copy of the Banishers splat. But oh Vampire and Werewolf. Just a random garble of lore and mechanics. Just design by wall throw.
@TheBotchPit
3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried Geist 2E? That's where it's at. And Demon!
@ScarlettDaleWoodall
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBotchPit I love the concept of Demon the Descent,but I have no experience with it. I confess that I know nothing about Geist. I'm actually just about to watch your primer video.
@raveneyes5507
2 жыл бұрын
From what others have said, and I have read and the way some lore has been changed in other settings beast has best been summed up as SJW power fantasy.
@FMD-FullMetalDragon
5 жыл бұрын
Nice overview. Geist is my favorite Chronicles and Worlds of Darkness setting. I missed backing the 2nd edition KS which makes me sad. Beast is my least favorite (really don't like it).
@PointySuperman
4 жыл бұрын
You can still get the pdf on backerkit
@jacobjenkins5461
Жыл бұрын
KZitem put ads every 3 or 4 minutes on this video. It will deter people that are just here because they are curious about the game. Thus or player base won't increase.
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