Hoping to see that 9mm vs .357 from the same Company I sent you soon, and maybe a comparison round that remanufactured round curious if expands good or not. All .38s and .357 really should be at least 2.5" they would perform so much better.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I will have to take a look at the ammo. I sort of lost track of the info on it all.
@DanTheWolfman
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam I made showing what I sent to you when I did
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
@@DanTheWolfman I was looking at the ammo, very hard to get all the info on it. I know for sure that the OnTarget .357 Mag is 125 gr Gold Dots, but the 9mm, you said 115 gr? When I look up their ammo, definitely that 9mm ammo is a Sierra bullet but all I found when I researched OnTarget was it was 124 gr for the Sierra. Also I am debating barrel lengths, short barrel makes more sense but dang that .357 is rated at 1,670 FPS. I will pin this comment and see if I can get some more info on it all.
@DanTheWolfman
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam wow if it's that hot wish I bought more. I have the vid explaining all what I sent you for reference. If u can mention my Combatives dvd on bjjfanatics. Wish more CCWers would have at least some fighting knowledge. My 9mm vs. 45 vid today showed how those can be fairly
@michaelpage4199
2 жыл бұрын
I had the honor of graduating from the Wisconsin State Patrol Academy in 1977. I carried Remington 158 SJHP in my Colt trooper 3 for twenty years. That round never failed me.
@CeltKnight
2 жыл бұрын
NICE! I'm from the time when 125 grain was King and the prevailing theory of the pundits was that 158 was a terrible SD round. As is typical, your modern tests have debunked a LOT of old theories (or maybe those old gun rag opinions were just intentionally controversial to sell more magazine subscriptions). Heck, I remember being told that 4" barrels were a waste; you really NEEDED a 6" barrel, and a 2" magnum was "just a .38 that kicks harder and flashes too much." You have disproven those theories again and again. Great work, as always!
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I find 4" to be basically the best. I feel like it's the max size to carry and sit in a car, conceal etc. And still keeping 90% of the power of a 6" with most ammo.
@davidhechler5882
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the same tests using a hotter ammo like Buffalo Bore. The rounds he used for testing is very basic and low on the velocity. Back in my LE days of the 70's we carried the 125 grain because the 158 gr did not have the velocity of the lighter bullet and was not much better than a .38+P at the time. I say 158 gr is a great round, but only if you use a got load that breaches 1400 FPS or more. I believe that type of bullet would dump a lot of energy and still penetrate really well.
@celowski6296
2 жыл бұрын
I don't want to start a Ford/Chevy argument, but for SD I'd have a 125 at a faster speed and less penetration. For hunting, I'll take a 158. I reload and test my rounds. Big thing nowadays is over penetration and injuring somebody with a pass through. Just me. Another good vid. Keep'em coming!
@CeltKnight
2 жыл бұрын
@@celowski6296 - Oh, I won't be throwing out my 125 sjhps anytime soon. They do work quite well, especially for citizen SD. It's just that way back when gun rag gurus made it sound like if you loaded with 158s you had subpar SD ammo. I was impressed to see they might actually stay in a body.
@trojandrofdaw7109
2 жыл бұрын
I still hear that crap about needing longer barrels for magnums. I see too many tests like these to believe that . Hell a 2 inch .357 magnum easily outperforms most standard .38 Special loads from the major manufacturers out of a 6 inch barrel . Not counting Buffalo Bore or Grizzly .38 Special loads. They load .38 Special to the max.
@bjs301
2 жыл бұрын
158 gr. .357 is a "pretty good" self defense load! Well there's an understatement. If I had one shot in a self defense situation, I can't think of a better choice in a handgun.
@Mbartel500
2 жыл бұрын
That is a fine performing load in either handgun…very consistent, with a nice balance of expansion and penetration
@arnoldcohen1250
2 жыл бұрын
also, the 158 gr loadings are actually easier on the gun, less frame flash damage, etc., and actually usually easier on the shooter's hand!
@Gieszkanne
6 ай бұрын
Easier on the hand? They have more recoil than the 124gr loads.
@arnoldcohen1250
6 ай бұрын
I just reviewed multiple reports addressing this question. The opinions are all over the place. There are multiple variables with great discussion as to how to even calculate the recoil correctly. The most reasonable answer is that if all other variables are held the same except bullet weight, then the heavier bullet will recoil more. However, in commercial loadings, the 158 grains are usually more moderately loaded, probably to address over penetration issues, and many report less recoil than the 125 grain offering from the same company. All agree that 125 grain causes more strap damage, etc.
@Gieszkanne
6 ай бұрын
@@arnoldcohen1250 Recoil is very subjective. Normally heavier bullets give more recoil more muzzle flip but it feels like a push while faster light bullets give more a kind of sharp snap. Here it might get subjective if you prefer a push or snap. But Sam for example here in this video said that the 158gr had a lot more recoil for him.
@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202
2 жыл бұрын
This video is right up my alley. I just got had with some aguila ammunition yesterday. I wish I would have seen your review of it first. I did get some Remington htp 125 grain you suggested and it is currently my ammunition I have in now. I’m looking for the best 158 grain. Thanks so much for doing these videos!! 😎👍🏻👍🏻
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
The 125 gr still is basically the best too lol. Both 125 and 158 are pretty equal. It's only that other 5% of bear protection and maybe a tad more hard barrier penetration that the 158 is "better".
@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam yeah I got a box of125gr and shot it…wow!!! I love it!!! I immediately got 3 more boxes, ( all I could afford at the time lol) . After that I got two boxes of 125 htp 38 spl ammo, as my carry gun is a snub nose 38 spl S&W airweight 642. That ammo works well in that firearm also!! Anyway, thanks for making these videos , they are much appreciated 😎
@CitrusJerz
Жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Question. Should one be worried about ovr penetration with 158 grain?
@richardcheese4722
Жыл бұрын
@@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202 I had a couple French acquaintances that were GIGN. They carried Manurhin chambered in 357mag. They breach passenger aircraft and other confined space hostage rescue. Last time I seen them they were loaded with a 158grain. If I remember right Norma was the maker..
@basedyt6485
2 жыл бұрын
People-140 grain HP. Animals-173 grain HC SWC.
@rtaggs8178
10 ай бұрын
The rifling in a typical S&W is for the 158 gr Magnum round. I will say I grew up around a lot of police and deputies and when the days were when cops mainly carried revolver I only knew one who carried the 158 gr Magnum round, the rest carried the 125 variety. The one who carried the 158 gr got into a shooting against two perps. He killed one with one shot and the other took one round and quit fighting. The others who carried the 125 gr only ever had to shoot a perp once center mass and those perps are all in the grave yard.
@Gieszkanne
6 ай бұрын
Sounds like they are equal effective.
@holaadios9958
2 жыл бұрын
One of the better loads ever seen in 357 magnum. Good old school for sure!. Thanks for that awesome vid.
@ralphdials1688
2 жыл бұрын
.357 with 158 grain copper jacketed hollow point, when you absolutely want to beat the living daylights out of your target.
@Maddog2047
2 жыл бұрын
Sam, Another good video. Watching your vids have given me Food for Thought. I always used the 158 gr for winter with everyone dressing in heavier clothing and 125 gr for summer use.I was always concerned with over penetration in the summer. However, this video dispelled that belief! Keep up the good work & stay warm!
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@tylermorrison7051
2 жыл бұрын
The best weight is whatever is in my 8-shot cylinder, and on my moon clips at the time. So, I guess the 125 grain Hornady Critical Defense will have to do. They'll probably get the job done, and still blow out my ear drums. 😝 Love your work, man. You and Greg Newton (Lionquest Fitness) are some of KZitem's unsung heroes.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. The Critical Defense .357 Mag is a fine choice.
@Ds_Drums
2 жыл бұрын
I switched to 158 from 125. It started when I had to buy range ammo at the range when I ran out. I liked it then got some defensive ammo and liked it and have been using it ever since.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Both are fine. My 686 still has 125 in it for defense. I fond it the best defense load personally, but overall the 158 gr does a little more variety well.
@rudypericolo
2 жыл бұрын
Seeing you blow holes in stuff always brightens my day Sam! You nailed it with this round, my whole family is in agreement w/you. My dad a retired cop, my father in law (that loads these) and I all carry this round. Well, I used to. Though I agree the 158gr is gonna do the job better than the 125gr I live in a very densely populated area where any over penetration could possibly be very... well could be really bad. Just something for those of us out there that live in more crowded areas to think about. Wouldn't mind seeing the 125gr in action if you ever get ahold of a few, a 125 vs 158 might be a fun video. Keep up the great vids!
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I ran the 125 gr here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/t6GOm4eMnYZ2bII
@rudypericolo
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Thanks, dunno how I missed that one. Been a fan and have caught most of your vids ever since you did that alternatives to hollow point ammo for residents of NJ episode (glad I moved outta there and don't have to deal w/their bass'ackwards laws anymore!) You're doing a great job, keep it up!!
@frankhinkle5772
2 жыл бұрын
The .357 Magnum is one of my carry guns, so I really appreciate these tests and evaluations. Thanks. Looks cold!
@buckshot4428
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 70's well into the 80's the 125 jhp by Remington and Federal were king. Didn't matter if it was from a 2 1/2" or a 6" IT DID THE JOB without over penetration. That load was hard on the K frames and cracked lots of forcing cones. I sent my S & W 66 back to the factory and they had to replace the barrel and cylinder and some other parts on their dime. Their gunsmith put a note in the box that read "shoot .38 for practice and carry magnums. These guns were never designed for a steady diet of magnum loads.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I have read about all of that and how the current 66 Combat Magnum K frames have been made to handle steady diets of magnums.
@davidtaylor4359
2 ай бұрын
I have a 66-8 is it safe for a diet of 125 magnum
@biggunshandguns3687
2 жыл бұрын
The consistency of that load is pretty impressive and the shooting out of your 686 is very impressive especially at 75 yds
@normanmallory2055
Жыл бұрын
I’ve fired that ctg for slightly over 56 years now ! 158 grain is my go to bullet weight mostly ! I’ve fired 125 grain, 140 grain and 150 grain, with the 150 grain being the second most in bullet weights ! I do like the Keith SWC in 168 grain in hard cast ! I’m shooting WNF 160 grain in hard cast as of 3 years ago and like it well ! Great tests done well !
@jonbumcrot2934
2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. This video confirmed my belief that a 158gr jhp is optimum for .357 magnum. My 25 oz Ruger SP 101 is not unpleasant with a Hodgdon"s max book load of Lilgun and a 158gr jhp.
@trojandrofdaw7109
2 жыл бұрын
I live in an apartment. 125 grain for home defense for me in my situation. I prefer 158 when Im roaming the woods. They are better all around. I would like to see Buffalo Bore load 180 or even 200 grain swchp out of soft lead with a gas check or hytek loading. I feel like a bigger faster FBI style load for .357 would be good .357 snub load. 200 grains at 850 fps or 180 grains at 950 fps would have more lead to spread and be quieter and less kick in my opinion. If some one could find 180 grain or 200 grain soft cast swchp bullets I would like to see them tested. I feel like Magnums pushing standard bullet weights faster is great but what a about heavy bullets ag standard .38/.44 Special velocity. .44 magnum 300 grain cast SWCHP at 850 / 900 fps would be a good load. Very good video , feel better about 158 grain jhp ammo performance now.
@yellowboxster06
2 жыл бұрын
I own both the 4.2” Ruger GP100 and the 2.5” Ruger SP101. I have always preferred the accuracy and repeatability of the 158 gr load over the 125 gr. For me, it’s more practical to use the Buffalo Bore 38 Spcl +P “FBI” load for PD. It’s close enough to magnum performance.
@joshuabriggs7114
2 жыл бұрын
Great test Sam!
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@noahmercy-mann4323
2 жыл бұрын
I run 135 grain Gold Dots (snubbies) or 140 grain XTPs (5"+ barrel). Absolutely beautiful expansion and penetration with these. Much like the 165 grain in the 40 S&W, it seems to be the "happy medium" where velocity is enough to ensure reliable expansion, but not high enough to cause underpenetration due to overexpansion.
@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the 140gr xtps would be good for a 4” barrel. That’s what I have.?.👍🏻😎
@noahmercy-mann4323
2 жыл бұрын
@@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202, my 140 grain XTP handloads expand well from a 4" barrel when shot into water (heck, most bullets do), but I haven't done any clothing/gel testing from that barrel length to see if they perform well there. I would carry them in a 4" gun if I couldn't get 135 grain Gold Dots to load...
@Lateralus1007
Жыл бұрын
@@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202 watch his Buffalo bore 158 grain .357 mag video see what those do 👀 💥
@figbassist753
2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! This is my carry load in my .357 snub nose!
@jesseboutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
I’m just getting into 357 magnum and I’m love it and reloading for it 👍🏻🇺🇸
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I reload it sometimes. I reload .38 Special more as it's easy. With magnum ammo I typically load them light, come out more like 38+P.
@jesseboutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam I just loaded up some 38 special +p and now getting ready to make light 38 special with trail boss.
@brucemoriarty9964
2 жыл бұрын
357 mag is my favorite caliber and a 357 mag revolver is what I choose 99 percent of the time to carry , with 158 rounds. Thanks for your experiment and ya hard work.
@TheRios7018
2 жыл бұрын
Great video bud!👍🏼
@propatriaparati5746
2 жыл бұрын
Heere,in my part of the World ( Balkan) , if any SHTF is to hapened,and it s two leg ...you want something strong. Here,normal people are 185-190 cm and 100-130 kg and bad temper. In my Ruger SP-101 with 3" barrel I hold 158grs Hydra Shok but Im litlle bit low on numbers with it so I made my self 158grs Sierra JHC to hold 1200ft/s from Ruger. It holds the same Velocity as Hydra Shok and same weight. And there is 600 of them,just in case.😉 Any time,anywhere ...I feel safe with this.
@ernest9606
Жыл бұрын
This is my edc. But when I'm in the woods I load up with the mighty buffalo bore. It's hard to beat the 357mag for edc.
@ratagris21
2 жыл бұрын
Great testing Sam. Thanks for all you do. Glad you provided great data on these loads. I have an assortment in .357mag based on current market conditions just to play it safe.🎩♠️🏁🎯
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@GeographyCzar
2 жыл бұрын
It's so much fun to shoot something with upwards of 500 ft-lbs of energy when you're used to shooting pocket pistols like I do.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
As long as the grip is good, go for it! For me personally, I don't mind the recoil and push but if the grip is garbage and has sharp points, I don't like the skin stabbing feeling, makes me flinch. Why I put the S&W 500 Mag grip on my model 69, fits the 686 too lol
@GeographyCzar
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam a reciprocating slide really helps for some reason. The 9mm shoots a lot softer than the .38 spl and it's not just the extra 6 oz. I love the .40 S&W but I do want to add a .357 at some point to go with the .357 levergun I got from my brother as a guide fee last fall for taking my nephews on their first deer hunt.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeographyCzar Speaking of .357 Mag and you mentioning .40, I plan to get a .357 Sig barrel for my M&P 40. The company told me it fits my pistol. KKM I mean. Plan some .357 Sig VS .357 Mag videos.
@keithfreeman5204
10 ай бұрын
Remington 357 Magnum125 JHP is my go to carry ammo. I handload for the 357. Revolver and my scoped Rifle. 110-125 bullets for PSD in the revolver, for the Rifle the heavy bullets, 140 , 158, 180 grain bullets, for putting food on the table. The 158gn Hard Cast Semi Wadcutter, the KEITH bullet, is my Deer and Hog handload round.
@jfruser
2 жыл бұрын
SW686 4" bbl is my favorite handgun to shoot at extended ranges. DA almost exclusively.
@brockhowell2296
Жыл бұрын
I'm FINALLY going to put .357 through my Taurus 605 Poly and I have 3 that I'm going try, Remington 110 grain HTP, I also have 125 and 158 grain range ammo. I'm sure all 3 will be fun out of my 4", but I've read that the heavier .357 rounds can be harsh through a snub so I'm going to put that to the test my next range visit. I bought the 110 grain specifically for my snub after reading that and not having actually tried it, so we'll see.
@bobcatforever3485
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Always a good and interesting video. Take care.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, take care
@jma3586
2 жыл бұрын
I’m going to have to find some 158. Thanks Sam always great content!
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@lynnvandevander262
2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video and effort. Thanks!! I have a Ruger Police Service Six with a 2 3/4 inch barrel. I have some Remington 158gr. SJHP and some 158gr Speer GoldDots that I loaded some years ago. This video is thought provoking 😃. I just might switch from 125grain to 158’s.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@randyadams03
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the 158gr .357 comparison.
@herbertblevins7077
2 жыл бұрын
I use to carry the 145 grain Silver Tip and later the Federal 125 grain HP. First in the Colt Python and then the S&W 686.
@ArcaneWorkshop
3 ай бұрын
11:23 "Damnit Smokey, I said mark it zero!!!"
@876mpr
2 жыл бұрын
Really excellent performance. Amazing that a bullet that many would dismiss as archaic outperforms many of the more modern bullets tested.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@cheesenoodles8316
2 жыл бұрын
City or non bears....125 SJHP from 3 inch. Bears, yup heavier 158 and at least 4 inch barrel. Put a lot of 357 & 38Spl down range. The range of bullets is wide.
@thealsatian4232
2 жыл бұрын
125 grain Remington in the city. But I carry a 173 gr Keith over 15 gr of 2400 on the ranch.
@Lateralus1007
Жыл бұрын
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@ftdefiance1
2 жыл бұрын
In my 2.5 inch 66 I ran 110 grain. 357 magnum. It strikes me as a good compromise in power, controllability and muzzle flash.
@tiltedflip4491
2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful 4 shot group in the gel.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I never noticed lol. Just random how they landed
@guardianminifarm8005
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like great option to me. Very consistent.
@carloparisi9945
2 жыл бұрын
So, to be clear, 75 yards and you hit the neck twice in a row. The gun -load combination is pretty scary, in this regard, that is rifle distance.
@357-swagnumultramagax9
2 жыл бұрын
He’s a good shot !!!
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
If it were 125 gr it would be more centered. I think there's just a slight muzzle rise before bullets exit.
@carloparisi9945
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam the group is impressive non the less
@Lateralus1007
Жыл бұрын
If you like semi autos Go w CZ for accuracy
@lanedexter6303
2 жыл бұрын
Great test! Makes me think the original load is still king.😉 When .357 came out they claimed a 158 at 1510 fps for 800 ft. lbs. I bought my 8-3/8 M27-2 in 1975, my 6-1/2 Blackhawk in 1976. Lyman 45th listed 11.6 Herco under a 158 hard cast gas check SWC as factory duplication (next edition backed this way down). I tried it under my cast GC SWC that ran 162 grains. Got 1502 out of the 8-3/8 gun (so I broke 800 ft. lbs.) and 1488 out of the 6-1/2 Blackhawk. But in those two cylinder loads I had all cratered primers and one pierced. Oops! 😳No wonder the 46th edition backed off. With today’s great JHP bullets, I think a 158-160 bullet is still king.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I have thought about testing the "original" load as I could get one that does 1,500 FPS in my 4" barrel. Obviously more powerful of a round than the original but same terminal ballistics.
@bdwillis8284
2 жыл бұрын
Great video Sam, I would carry this for unknown threat EDC. There are better choices if you are protecting yourself from specific threats...bears, bad guys in tropical dress, ect. Very thought provoking video. Thanks
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@leemitchum7498
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure everyone in this comment section knows this but it's worth noting those velocities might have been a little higher in the summertime especially if you live in the low country of South Carolina like I do in the real feel temperature gets up to 115
@roosterfish3248
2 жыл бұрын
I agree that the 158 is best all around bullet for the .357. But a good runner up is the 140 xtp. I have taken a few deer and hogs with it, and it has been impressive when pushed around 1400 fps.
@jfowler7604
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent test. I've been using 158 gr. hardcast @ maybe 1080 in my 2" Kimber for woods carry and then a 125 or usually a Glock 26 for urban carry. This shows me that a 158 SJHP might be good for double duty. Recoil in my Kimber is about the same as my steel Taurus 856 with a 158 @ maybe 900(ish) The Kimber is easier to shoot b/c it has much better sights and it weighs about the same as the Taurus although it's slightly larger. That Remington bullet really did well in the 2"
@greggwonder2199
2 жыл бұрын
👍Good video. I own a 2",4",6" 357's. With the snubby my hand can handle 15 rds. The 4n6" no prob. Most guys i know use 38spec +p in snubbies. I still practice with a few 357's in the snubbie to stay in shape✌🇺🇸🇺🇸
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I like a few magnums in the snub. The main thing is weight. I shoot 125 gr totally fine, but 158 gr had just enough jump to make it uncomfortable.
@jimmyjoe4488
23 күн бұрын
@@GunSam So maybe 125 in the snubbie, 158 in the 4 inch? That's what I got from this. I was just at the range with some crazy wadd cutters in my SP101. They were from some Swedish company I had never heard of. My wrist is still sore.
@Fudmottin
2 жыл бұрын
I sure wish Remington didn't switch to 20 round boxes for the HTP. I've got a bunch of that 158gr in pre-Covid boxes. I don't think I'll run it through my M&P 340. I may be able to handle in in my 66-8. It's a much heavier gun with nearly 3" barrel.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
That's what I had in the past. And I think we might have both used Target Sports USA lol. Back when 50 rounds of stuff like this was $19.99.
@Fudmottin
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Ah yeah. The good old days of 2019! I bought so much ammo that year! Who knew?
@jonclark8155
2 жыл бұрын
I have the same bullets HTPs in sjhp 125 gr
@user-wo2iw3kt8o
2 ай бұрын
Gun Sam good shooting as always. 😊
@matthewanderson9912
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Hard to beat 158gr in 357 magnum. It can do it all for sure. I carry 38 special 158+p in my Ruger LCRx that is chambered in 357 magnum. Seems for me even in 38 special I can just shoot the 158gr stuff better, although 125+p is good as well.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@joelclark2130
2 жыл бұрын
Long live the Ruger Security Six, 158 grain hollow point is the best. But it really does come down to practice proficiency and liking what you are shooting, 357 round does it all.
@user-wo2iw3kt8o
2 ай бұрын
I agree 357 is good. Probably the best. Works for hunting or protection. Awsome video. For hunting go penetration.158 gas checked hard cast. Protection. 125 hollow point. .love the 38/357 mag.😊😊
@mkshffr4936
6 ай бұрын
Sounds like a good all around load for your 4 3/4" Blackhawk. Load up cast 158gr LSWC at the same velocity for woods and you're all set. :)
@merlemorrison482
2 жыл бұрын
Gotta go with Skeeter Skelton, 140 grain HP
@robertakerson7186
8 ай бұрын
Mr. Gun Sam- If you have a chance, it would be fun to look at the cast lead Lyman 358156 bullets (both solid and HP) to see how they compare in your gel media to the jacketed bullets. I much prefer to cast and load my own bullets, so such a comparison would be nice to see. Bob
@357mag84
2 ай бұрын
Great video as always. .357 is pretty great imo. It's my choice for the woods and sometimes edc (I'm not in brown bear country).
@garyK.45ACP
11 ай бұрын
I carry both a .38 Special +P revolver (1-7/8") and a .357 Magnum revolver (2-1/2") not at the same time. 😜 So far I have settled on the Buffalo Bore .38 Special +P 158 gr. L-SWC for both. But I am always on the lookout for something better, so I appreciate your tests.
@yokoshemp
2 жыл бұрын
I alternate solid semi-wadcutters with jhp... both in 158.
@michaelisaac9600
2 жыл бұрын
Most of my 357 Mag. loads were with cast 158/160 SW and RNFP. Not much expansion, but relied on bullet shape for performance on target. Recently picked up some 158 JHPs similar to the Remington JHP; exposed lead on the nose. Looks like I'll give them a good try. I gotta hand it to Sam, it looks COLD! there...
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
It actually was "balmy" lol. Went a week with wind chills around 0, this day was like 31 and almost no wind. Had to take off my sweatshirt under my coat once I got out there.
@jerrybushey6654
2 жыл бұрын
When you shoot at 75 yards doesn’t the front sight cover the target .good shooting as usual
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yeah the front sight is about the same size as the target
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel
2 жыл бұрын
My go to in 38 is the 110 critical defense because snubnose
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I fond that to be the best choice, when talking the +P version.
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam yeah this is the plus p id love a 357 but i got the 38 on sale so im happy
@h.r.puffnstuff8705
8 ай бұрын
The fat on the trigger finger getting pinched between trigger and frame. Man all my J frames do that! Another reason I love my Ruger LCR
@YellowHammer26
2 жыл бұрын
Good performance out of the 2 and 4 inch barrel it ought to work good out of my sp 101 with a 3" barrel. I'm like you I wouldn't want to shoot that out of a lite revolver I personally perfer a heavier revolver for 357. Great job as always, thanks Sam.👍👍
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Ds_Drums
2 жыл бұрын
I same, sp101, 3 inch handles .357 so well, IMO.
@dangerman007
2 жыл бұрын
The only downside with this round is in shorter barrels. The recoil is punishing.
@Fudmottin
2 жыл бұрын
The 125gr version of the HTP is no walk in the park either!
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I need to do a side by side comparison in the summer. It's difficult to figure out the difference when my hands are colder with the 158 gr.
@philipfreeman72
2 жыл бұрын
Generally mid weight works , accuracy loads are more consistent .
@chrisgabbert658
2 жыл бұрын
👍😊 my X had a S/W 19 sub it was brutal with magnum , hard to be accurate.
@taw1967
2 жыл бұрын
What bullet weight would you recommend for .38 Special, coming out of a 2” barrel, for carry ammo? And is there a difference in bullet weight selection with regard to bullet type, like JHP vs hard cast?
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, definitely a difference. Bullets like XTP's, or other hard JHP will not expand especially in a short barrel. Generally in .38 Special, talking +P ammo only - the best weight for expansion is 110 gr, however this limits penetration so a 125 gr is pretty much the best overall weight, with the exception that you should use a semi jacketed hollow point when going to 125 gr as you will get zero expansion otherwise. In 110 gr the Critical Defense .38+P has been the best performer. If you want standard pressure I highly recommend something like a Buffalo Bore soft cast hollow point, Underwood makes a coated version that is good too. Those happen to be 158 gr but they are powerful enough to be the exception. Hard cast plain over penetrates.
@taw1967
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Thx Sam! I appreciate your reply and advice. 👍✌️
@damiencannane
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. Love your videos, and I've learned a ton from them. Which factor plays a larger role in felt recoil, bullet mass or fps? Or is felt recoil just a matter of muzzle energy and gun weight? E.g, if you have two rounds from the same manufacturer, but one is 158gr and another is 125gr, and they're both loaded to produce 375 foot-pounds of energy, would they both feel about the same in the hands?
@bikemannc
10 ай бұрын
Have you ever wanted to see the comparison with a 200gr,hardcast bullet? Bear loads
@GunSam
10 ай бұрын
200 gr hasn't really interested me that much. The 180 gr is about as ideal as you can go in .357 Magnum. I have done 200 gr in .38 Special to make "Superpolice" tumbling loads, but in .357 Magnum it seems that limit of power is reached a little after 158 gr, 180 gr you still got good power with lead, but 200 gr gets to start taking up too much case capacity. I would be curious about how well they do, but if you are referring the the HSM (I think it's called) I have not heard very good things about that ammo. Edit, looks like I was thinking Grizzly brand ammo.
@ibpositivemostly7437
2 жыл бұрын
Cool video thanks.
@danielaramburo7648
Жыл бұрын
You got 110 grain, 125, 158, and 180. I prefer 125 for carry, 158 hard cast for the woods.
@donaldballman2825
2 жыл бұрын
I've always shot 158 gr bullets in my Ruger single six mine has a 6 inch barrel and really doesn't have much for recoil even my sister who is small has no trouble shooting it my only problem for me is the grip is small for my hands
@lens7859
2 жыл бұрын
Love me some 357
@josephliptak
11 ай бұрын
125gr or 158gr are tops for .357. Can't go wrong with either. Stock up on both.
@lookythat2
2 жыл бұрын
Very surprised by how well the 158 gr did, in both barrel lengths! I expected worse expansion and overpenetration. In the day, the 158 gr did not have a stellar reputation -- maybe they've been improved over the years?
@indianajets
2 жыл бұрын
I still like the 120g Lehigh Defense ED
@indianajets
2 жыл бұрын
I just don't see any FMJ or HP beat it.. especially in 100g 38sp.. I think those two are the best for each caliber..
@franks6857
2 жыл бұрын
There's a new Federal .30 Super caliber out as I'm sure you know. If and when you get one of the two firearm offerings can you compare .30 Super vs. 30 carbine vs .327 Federal Magnum? And why develop a new caliber when Federal can't keep up the demand for current calibers?! Thanks! Another good comparison video!
@johnnymccann5607
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a self defense situation you probably won't be concerned about recoil or the stubby hurting your hand ,just living, I don't know if you have checked out lucky Gunner self defense ammunition gel tests , they tested 16 different calibers many top brands ammunition for each caliber , gel tests, barrel length s , energy power ,pi picture of the 5 shot groups, you can see what failed the test and what passed , a world of information , as a life long reloader if I had this information 42 years ago it would have saved me a fortune helping me buy hp bullets that were great disappointment , if I only shot factory ammunition it's a gold mine to save money on what don't work, like you young man they do honest tests and honest results ,, for that I certainly thank you and highly regard what you do fyus all, nanna and papa wishing you well
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I have seen them for years. I actually went off them for a long time in my "comparison to ballistic gel" statements when I used water jugs and bologna. I was able to more or less calibrate by testing all the ammo in jugs that they tested in clear ballistics.
@johnnymccann5607
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam this is papa I generally get the same expansion on retrieved bullets of animals like water jugs , I experiment Ed with 2 liter plastic drink bottle s and found something interesting, making a gold up stand when folded out wass a_ frame and two boards over lignth forming a v shape to lay 5 two liter drink bottle s end to end , shooting my Taurus pt 845 chambered 45 acp plus p with my 45 super reloads will stop in 3 gallon jugs of water but stop in 2 two liter drink bottles , the bottle s are laying down in the rack , gallon jugs standing up I get about the same expansion, I use starling 45 super brass , g j bullets 452 dia 255 gr flat nose deep and wide hardcast brittle hardness 18 at 900_950 fps expansion 7/8 inch and Hornady 452 dia 185 gr xtp at 1265 fps with around double expansion ,I also use these loads in my hi point 45 acp , both pistols work flawless with no pressure signs, Nana and papa ,
@MAG-li5jo
2 жыл бұрын
I still prefer the Buffalo Bore 125 grain 357 Mag JHP round for self defense. I would not want to get hit with either of them.
@Brykk
2 жыл бұрын
Id be willing to bet you would love those rounds out of something like my sp101 2” barrel.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I had that same revolver for a few years, it's the gun I used when I learned to hand load ammo. If you search for SP101 on my channel there's probably content on it.
@Brykk
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam its one of the handguns ill never give up.
@rob.3575
2 жыл бұрын
Great performing ammo!! Sure 9mm has benefited from modern bullet designs but .357 doesn't need it, how could you improve on this? Decades old bullet design and it's pretty much ideal.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
The only ammo I ever saw with true modern technology in .357 Mag is Critical Duty, as that's the ONE out there designed to meet that old FBI protocol with the glass, metal, sheetrock test and all of that.
@northshores7319
2 жыл бұрын
I load the 158 grain Federal Hollow Points in my Ruger GP100 as I like the idea that having some weight on a bullet makes a difference as, given a choice, would you rather by punched on the jaw by a 10 year old boy or a 20 year old man?
@russelder9743
2 жыл бұрын
I love shooting 357 from my S&W 620....I shoot 158gr JSP with 14gr 2400 what do you think of that load? Also just got some #9 powder ....do you use #9?
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I pretty much never reload Magnum ammo in that sense so I haven't used it. I stick to .38 Special, .44 Special, .32 H&R and when I do load .44/.357/.327 Mag I just use standard powder so I don't get a lot of velocity.
@Patriotx-gx4ce
Жыл бұрын
I usually always buy federal 158 gr SJP
@jefffogle915
2 жыл бұрын
Humm.. And they wonder why us old guy's like our J frame snubby 357's
@jpb1231000
2 жыл бұрын
PLEASE use all your "CLOUT" with Taurus for the 327 3 in revolver... We need DECENT Adj removable sights Front and rear!!! REAL excited about the ones I've seen so far!!! They have pics of the 2 in. but also claim a 3 in. on their website... I KNOW you's a 327 fan!!! Are the Barrel length to Velocity losses as extreme in 327 Mag guns as they are in a 2 in. vs 3 in. Ruger GP 100 or a 2- 3 in. Barrel difference in the S&W 686????
@adamkaminski
2 жыл бұрын
I use 158gr
@gway9226
2 жыл бұрын
This is irrelevant but, how do you think a hardcast projectile would perform if it was shaped like the lehigh defense fluid monolithic? I suspect you would get Slightly deeper penetration.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
It would deform. Hard cast is pretty hard but nowhere near as hard as copper when there's just thin walled nose shapes. I mean, it would probably do similar damage, however lead is more dense and shorter of a bullet so it might not tumble and slow down the way a copper bullet would.
@tedberwick3186
2 жыл бұрын
Ty
@pkjdm
2 жыл бұрын
Would be great if we had factory ammo158 grain bonded jhp at 1400 fps out of a 4 inch 357....
@357-swagnumultramagax9
2 жыл бұрын
Barnes use to come close to that with their vortex
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
What's funny is Buffalo Bore has an XTP at 1,400 FPS 158 gr from a 2". If they just loaded that load with Gold Dot, which those bullets are concave bases and typically run slower than XTP, would probably be exactly what you are looking for if they used the Gold Dot instead.
@pkjdm
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam 1400 out of 2 inch thats insane... out of a 4 it would clock aborto 1500 fps? Like the original 357 load..
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