I normally comment sooner, but this is my second view of this video (refresher before a tournament). However, it being this late, I'm not sure you'll have time to read it. I run several bait and chaff units in my blood angels, plus vv with SS, priest and Dante (I know he isn't meta, but he is a total wrecking ball, and I really admire the guy, asy life is a much milder, much shorter version of his.) I run 3 big units, vv, jump intercessors, and DC, then everything else is 5 mans so it doesn't hurt so bad when they get removed, but being blood angels, they all pack quite a punch.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
Ай бұрын
That is almost identical to how i run it
@Cheesewiz
3 ай бұрын
As someone who was blown out recently turn 1 by my brother's CSM with their crit 5s lethal+sustained Hellbrute army, after getting back into Orks... this couldn't be a better time to learn some proper staging hahaha 😂
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
haha cheers buddy! It is a critical skill, you will learn to no longer fear gun lines!
@MrHoneuma
3 ай бұрын
I like seeing confirmation of this. I kinda figured this out through trial and error playing WE and love the control the multiple scouts offer for deciding what to do if you go first or second. They're a deceptively complicated army for learning how to play properly.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
WE is a high skill army certainly!
@michaelbolduc4554
3 ай бұрын
At around 10:00 you moved Spawn 10" forward through the ruins. They don't have infantry keyword so they're not able to pas through walls
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
they are beast bud, beast move through ruins as well
@erictanis1979
3 ай бұрын
Happy Bday Jon! Working hard on your special day giving us such a useful video on staging and deployment! Have an awesome day bud :)
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
Hey man thank you! Cheers buddy!
@jakeosiris3971
3 ай бұрын
i did this pretty well in bully boyz against deathguard recently. managed to save the double waaagh for turn 2 and 3. everything was in transports
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
perfection!
@herbertwest3546
3 ай бұрын
Thanks my man, so many outstanding content in few days Oo. Even if I tried bully boyz, I DO prefer running the humble index detachment. But, staging for my "go turn" went sometime bad. Thanks for advices and I'll keep practicing \m/
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
Oh cheers homie! Yeah, master this skill my guy, you will see dramatic improvements in your win rate!
@Zolluns
3 ай бұрын
blood for the blood god
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
grab them Skulls!
@JS-vu8po
3 ай бұрын
As always, great video! At the Wargames for Warriors tournament 2 weeks ago, in the final we had World Eaters vs Ironstorm (it's on WarGamesLive's channel) and World Eaters basically got shot off the table on turn 2, which was very disappointing. Would you be willing to take a look at the VOD, and maybe analyze how the WE player could have staged better? I think it would be very insightful. Anyway, thanks again for the guide, I found it really useful!
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
2 ай бұрын
could you give me a link?
@JS-vu8po
2 ай бұрын
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 DM'ed you on Discord :)
@willemmagney1327
8 сағат бұрын
Hey, great video! I find it hard to counter my opponents staging with an infantry heavy custodies army. I assume venetari are the counter play here? Are there any other options for disrupting a melee pressure army as custodies?
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
6 сағат бұрын
hey id need scenarios to flesh this out! Probably best to take this in the discord
@SpacznMasta
3 ай бұрын
Thats some gourmet video! Please do one on countering move blocks. All I can find is how to perform one 😂
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
thats a tricky subject! but ive got some stuff for it
@borischivapallottole
3 ай бұрын
Great content, as always!!
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
Cheers home slice!
@dominicdwk
3 ай бұрын
Awesome. I literally just pivoted into WE. Could not have time this video any better for me.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
oh right on! Looking forward to your success
@dominicdwk
3 ай бұрын
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 your teachings on staging is something I need to rehearse with the different terrain and deployment layouts. Thanks for great content.
@villian_von_badguy_ii145
3 ай бұрын
Love the content, I am on the other side of this equation with my Tau .. When will the other half be out
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
Oh cheers buddy :) Plan on Monday
@GallantLee
3 ай бұрын
how about screening units? how do you go about dealing with them if you have turn 2? You can't leave the bait units alone, you'll lose the game.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
different video!
@ashclayton3273
3 ай бұрын
worth noting however that in the new pariah nexus mission deck coming out OC0 units wont be able to perform actions any more - and im sure spawn have changed to OC0 certainly have in the new CSM codex so that demo at 10:30 wont be useful any more.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
i am not sure Spawn will be OC 0, but i do not have insider knowledge on that
@allahallah123
3 ай бұрын
kinda reminds me of your recent vid about the threat of overwatch being worth more than the overwatch itself
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
such a true thing!
@gethorge
3 ай бұрын
Do you have a video already posted talking about line of sight and what you can and can't shoot using this type of terrain? The core rules are kind of confusing when it comes to all the intricacies.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
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@AncientIrishCelt
3 ай бұрын
Had a game last sunday. My WE v Tau. 1,000 points. 6X8B and a jugg lord faced off against two riptides. Tanked shooting then charged both and took both down below half wounds. He retreated one over my x8b triggering desperate escape (after failing battleshock) *kaboom* deadly demise. Bye bye a chunk of angry. Another round of shooting because other riptide got out and my boys survived again. ROUND 2 CHAINFIST. In my boys go again, Sucess! Riptide fall down.... and *kaboom* Deadly Demise. Jugg Lord left standing on his own. World Eaters 75-83 Tau.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
ooof close one!
@AncientIrishCelt
3 ай бұрын
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 I'm checked in for the 1k tourny tomorrow. I'm the only one repping World Eaters so BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.
@AncientIrishCelt
3 ай бұрын
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 The list of armies for tomorrow including me: Aeldari Tyranids Astra Militarum Necrons Necrons World Eaters T'au Empire Death Guard Space Marines (Astartes) Imperial Fists Tau Leagues of Votann Chaos Space Marines Salamanders Blood Angels Death Guard Chaos Space Marines Necrons Astra Militarum Adeptus Custodes Necrons Salamanders
@davidtrujillo3025
2 ай бұрын
What about vs towering models that can get los on you t1?
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
2 ай бұрын
towering does not work like that anymore, it was nerfed almost a year ago. Now it just means they can see through a terrain piece they are simply touching, not requires them to be wholly within, on all standard layouts you can hide from towering
@piotrjeske4599
3 ай бұрын
I try to go aggresive against objectives , but it always ends up with my custodes guard dead. Wardens can sometimes survive longer , if l roll well. But they always get bugged down in orks or end up fighting WE who fight first. There is also no cheap custodes version of a spawn. I tried running bike cpts or bike units, but it never worked out for me. Maybe if custodes had the option to run 1 man allarus squads it would be easier,l hope GW gives such an option in the next codex changes or give us bavk 5+ guard squads. I only bought 30, because GW wrote the rules that one could . Now l run 2-3 5 mans , but l am really dissapointed how bad they do in to practicaly everything. Dev wounds slaughter them, they xan deal with swarms. Double shoting would be nice , if they had some good heavy/special weapons. Right now they just get lit up by units cheaper then them . Also they seem rather slow for melee units. Orks have extra moves, transports, WE have those and scout. Custodes on the other have to hoof it. Worse part the contemptors are slow too .
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
Custodes are the worst army in the game, there is no good way to run them right now sadly. Luckily there is a big balance dataslate dropping in 2 weeks
@GT-vl4of
3 ай бұрын
STAGING!!
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
critical skill!
@Ng-zg4dq
3 ай бұрын
That terrain seems very favourable for melee infantry
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
This is WTC, essentially the entire continent of Europe uses this. All teams use this as well. The same plan works on GW (America) or UKTC (england) though
@Ng-zg4dq
3 ай бұрын
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 good for melee armies!
@harrisonsaynor8568
3 ай бұрын
Doing this on uktc is alot harder, I'd kill to play on these types of tables
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
I am not a fan of UKTC, it is extremely shooting list favored. I like WTC and GW terrain.
@zemmer3594
3 ай бұрын
I'm a little confused, at 11:38 you said that those exalted eighthounds can't be seen or shot, but they are fully inside the ruin, shouldn't that mean that the squad is fully visible but has cover?
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
You still have to be able to draw true line of sight to them and they are behind a solid wall. If you are a knight you can probably see them, but not most tanks or infantry
@astromoth
3 ай бұрын
The ground floor windows are closed so there is no true line of sight to them if they are behind the wall of the ruin.
@zemmer3594
3 ай бұрын
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Oh I see, me and my friends always play that you can see the units with or without windows on the ruins. Does that make it more difficult for melee armies to win, like orks for example against shooting armies like necrons?
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
yes certainly, that makes the game very unbalanced. Id recommend looking at popular tournament FAQ's tournaments are structured to give balance to the game. As far as I know, every large tournament circuit in the world count all windows on the first floor as being closed
@zemmer3594
3 ай бұрын
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Well that surely explains some things as well as sometimes half my army gets blasted before I get into melee, beside my lack of skill. Thanks, I'll look into this FAQ's
@DarrynNightmare
3 ай бұрын
Waaaaaghhhh!!!
@Lachie350
3 ай бұрын
Why would you use world eaters? I came to see orks. Not helpful.
@Happykrumpingwargaming007
3 ай бұрын
lol there are other armies in the game :P I use WE because there style is the quintessential melee pressure list, it applies to all melee pressure list, including orks
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