Basically, Luigi loss of wavedash is the reason why he's terrible in Brawl. He has hard time getting in while characters can keep walling him in. Not to mention that majority of the cast can edgeguard him easily.
@Vee_9001
Жыл бұрын
To this day, I cannot understand why Nintendo worked so hard to cut the cool movement and defensive options that were present in 64 and melee. It’s not like your average 14 year old was gonna grind out tech skill for little Timmy’s party.
@milesfernando
Жыл бұрын
@Vee_9001 Yeah, honestly I have no idea why they toned the movement down THAT much. If you wanted to play the game casually, you STILL COULD. It's not like nobody ever played Melee in 2001 casually. Brawl wouldn't have been a WORSE game for casuals if it still had the physics of Melee, 90% of the casual players who played Brawl wouldn't have had a different experience at all if it reused Melee's physics. All that needed to be done was a nerf of the top tiers and a buff of the low tiers. I still enjoyed Brawl, but there was literally no reason to do all of that, and I think if the Wii supported updates for games they definitely would have backtracked on some of the decisions made, especially tripping.
@dey6942
Жыл бұрын
@@milesfernandowell most of the movement tech was a result of rushed development and bugs (particularly with Melee) so when making a new game I don’t think they wanted to release an objectively broken game again.
@milesfernando
Жыл бұрын
@dey6942 Nonsense. L-canceling was in Smash 64, with the official name being "smooth landing". Smooth landing even came back in Smash 4 as a custom item. As for wavedashing, the devs knew you could wavedash. Sakurai himself said as much. The key thing here is, they didn't know how USEFUL it was. Had they just kept the directional air dodge, no casual player would be affected. It would literally be a win-win for all parties, because there's no way for the casual player to lose in this scenario. They're not attached to higher level mechanics. People say "Competitive Melee is built on bugs" but it makes no sense. The bugs are what HINDER competitive Melee, like phantom hits, wobbling, Game and Watch's lack of L-cancels, Yoshi not being able to jump out of shield, port priority, etc. Literally doesn't make any sense to say that it's all due to bugs.
@milesfernando
Жыл бұрын
@dey6942 as a side note, Project M is literally just Brawl but with some Melee mechanics ontop of the Brawl stuff. That isn't buggy at all, if Brawl literally just played like Project M, then both casual and competitive fans would have been happy.
@koelee
3 ай бұрын
Will forever miss Luigi's toilet bowl, one of the most iconic parts of Sm4sh.
@anothersoul
2 ай бұрын
Taking the cyclone from him was unforgivable
@Nullmeo
4 ай бұрын
Luigi getting a true 0-death combo in Ultimate feels like revenge against Dedede experience in Brawl.
@alococuccoyo6103
Жыл бұрын
Concon and Elegant, man. Those were some mashers.
@chalybee8689
2 ай бұрын
Until he painted a wall with feces 😬
@Frank-nz1wr
Жыл бұрын
I miss smash 4 cyclone, it was always fun tryna get the gimp and when u mixed it with a jump it went insanely high, which was just a nice feeling
@normalpersonlivingtheirlife
Жыл бұрын
I miss transforming into an actual helicopter 😔
@slimballs9650
Жыл бұрын
Smash Ultimate Cyclone is a frame-1 invincible combo breaker though.
@questioneverything680
Жыл бұрын
@@slimballs9650 which shows how crazy it is that sm4sh cyclone is just objectively better
@slimballs9650
Жыл бұрын
@@questioneverything680 How does Ultimate's Cyclone being a frame-1 invincible combo breaker make Sm4sh Cyclone better?
@smiile6226
Жыл бұрын
@@slimballs9650 gave luigi a nearly uncontestable recovery option which made him go insanely far with a good mash. It gave Luigi one of the best edgeguarding tools in the entire game and It could still kill altough a bit later
@maxshabbits1687
Жыл бұрын
In brawl, Luigi would die from a singular grab at zero against one specific character? Imagine DYING AT ZERO TO A GRAB? that would be awful. I can see why he was completely unplayable when he could get 0-Deathed off of a singular grab. That would be annoying. It’s a good thing they removed that interaction for ultimate😂
@soulnae4560
Жыл бұрын
😂
@mrgamer5739
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, the to death isn’t a infinite and I think on later patches they made it so it was harder to execute due to DI mixes up your opponent can do. It’s also just not possible on some characters
@boppertron4929
Жыл бұрын
Luigi got his revenge lmao, I think his is fair since his combos lose a lot of effectiveness after that low percent window, they're pretty input-heavy and precise as well and require a bit of improvisation. It seems like the Dedede combo was an infinite at any percent that looks extremely low-input. Fair trade.
@sareku8491
Ай бұрын
I mean at least in ultimate you neef to do a combo for his zero to death, in brawl the thing is that the change brags are a plague so many characters can literally make you a 0 to 999% if they want, and Luigi was one of the most victims of change grabs
@MatthewSauceda
Жыл бұрын
I remember, elegant, making the Luigi look crazy
@jokergoat6405
Жыл бұрын
I would've really liked it if you went through all his iterations, not just the worst and the best, but order them from worst to best, it'd be really interesting :D
@GirthyPotato
7 ай бұрын
OG Luigi up B was a killer on smash 64
@fearlessleader889
3 ай бұрын
Ultimate giving him an infinite combo starting with a down throw which is good against big bodies is the ultimate revenge against dedede.
@his_purpose3
11 ай бұрын
Miss Smash 4 Luigi so much. He's so campy and one-dimensional in Ultimate.
@RunRunRun1901
Ай бұрын
Grabs were also less risky in Smash 4, especially shield grab. They were punishable, but the openings were smaller and you were less likely to get punished hard.
@Moo77717
Жыл бұрын
I see you using footage from Luigi the best, mad respect
@doomcheck
3 ай бұрын
melee luigi was fire tho
@HorizonIncarnate
Ай бұрын
THE LUIGOAT
@davidchevez4690
3 ай бұрын
Smash 64 Luigi move set ❤✊️💥
@luigidreemurr6034
2 ай бұрын
Yeah. Id take the better cyclone over the longer grab any day
@buffbarney2648
9 ай бұрын
What about is utterly insane final smash in brawl
@wallycastagnir
11 ай бұрын
Its so weird to me thag they nerfed luigi but never nerved lilmac in smash 4
@GoofyAhhYtShort
26 күн бұрын
-Luigi is hot-
@ethanmitchell505
10 ай бұрын
Bruh, no honorable mention for his combos in ultimate?
@sorasan2466
Жыл бұрын
I already knew luigi was op in smash 4 because of alpharads luigi the best
@begoneheretic9760
4 ай бұрын
IMO, best version doesn’t necessarily equate to strongest
@ParalimpicosMUERTOS
4 күн бұрын
Luigi Smash 64 Worst One LarryLurr Worst of Worst Melee Luigi even more worse in melee
@LordFartamor
11 ай бұрын
Hi Larry Lurr
@orange567_
Жыл бұрын
What about Smash 64 Luigi?
@moonmanssbm
11 ай бұрын
Id argue melee luigi is better cause of movement
@iexistreal
Ай бұрын
Now I'm not exactly a master of brawls competitive scene, but how can having an infinite combo by one other character be that big of a deal? sorry if it's really obvious I know nothing abt brawl
12 күн бұрын
29:17
@zadiaabdull9417
11 ай бұрын
Luigi is actually the worst character in 64
@ParalimpicosMUERTOS
4 күн бұрын
Brawl Luigi Best Better Best One he can also do Wavedash and The Best Tripping Luigi Best Competitively version is Brawl Indeed Idc If you disagree byt no more lies
@darktoonlink2k145
2 ай бұрын
Cool
@icebear6757
Жыл бұрын
oh my god, I hated smash 4 luigi so much
@Rojh-z7k
Жыл бұрын
Na ultimate
@itscjuun93
Жыл бұрын
wasn't luigi the worst character in 64?
@foxshinehiyaa3933
11 ай бұрын
Yeah but he is at least playable and pretty viable in tournament but in brawl that wasn't the case
@jacobm7870
Ай бұрын
Luigi is the worst char in 64
@fatboyz3929
Жыл бұрын
The king dedede “infinite” is DI’ble
@_Tygon_
Жыл бұрын
yeah absolutely not. smash 64 is way worse than brawl
@thedemonTylerF
Жыл бұрын
I said it time and time again about you you damn near hate super smash Brothers brawl you keep on hyping up and talking good about smash 4 and smash4 terrible
@LeetTron5000
Жыл бұрын
Lol it's always brawl that's the worst. Can it even be that way if everyone is bad.
@sheridan5175
Жыл бұрын
not everyone...
@EM7575
Жыл бұрын
Well its the few characters at the top that have insane MUs against others to the point of near-invalidation
@shannonjones8877
Жыл бұрын
Yes it can be, because there's a difference between being the worst character in a Smash game and being the worst version of a character in Smash. Like, hypothetically, even if Luigi was the worst character in Smash 64, not being the worst character in Brawl doesn't mean his Brawl iteration isn't worse. Brawl really is just that bad.
@dc_dachi
Жыл бұрын
Not everyone is bad in Brawl, the game just has a very polarized metagame, where the good characters are really damn good, and everyone else falls between okay to awful.
@felixorozco4055
Жыл бұрын
i respectfully disagree with the brawl slander.
@joshdamighty
Жыл бұрын
P+ Luigi: 😎🛝
@nuts5388
11 ай бұрын
He’s D tier
@Recarsonated
6 ай бұрын
@@nuts5388still a more balanced game tho
@somisimons
Ай бұрын
Even though he's a D tier, all characters are balanced and viable for competition, so, for example, P+ Luigi is *better* than Melee Luigi despite being a lower tier than him.
@JVGaming_
Жыл бұрын
brawl always has the worst for some reason
@jenshouben83
Жыл бұрын
brawls top, high and mid tier are much smaller than the other games. the top 10 are so much better than the rest in brawl that the matchups are almost unwinnable
@shannonjones8877
Жыл бұрын
Because Brawl sucks
@silvesta5027
Жыл бұрын
I noticed that as well! I think it’s because brawl is so unbalanced, the best characters are just so much better than the rest. Basically 3/4 of the cast absolutely suck by comparison and have unwinnable matchups 😭
@JesterQueenAnne
Жыл бұрын
The power difference between the best characters and everyone else in Brawl is so abysmal most characters that were in the game either had their best or worst iteration in that game. Usually being the worst, since there's only like 3 or 4 viable characters in Brawl.
@vvlaze
Жыл бұрын
Kiiinda wish Luigi could still mash for his cyclone, it feels weird without it.
@prestige8477
11 ай бұрын
I hate the cyclone recovery nerf because at least it was a consistent way to get back to the stage. I've learned how truly unreliable Green Missile is as a recovery move: Aim too high, and you might wind up stuck in the side of the stage, aim too low and you might misfire and fly directly underneath the stage. No character in the game should EVER have to rely on RNG for their recovery. It makes Luigi very unfun to play as.
@obviouslyanonymous
11 ай бұрын
I far as I know he can, it's just a much weaker impact on the height now
@prestige8477
11 ай бұрын
@@obviouslyanonymous Mashing barely impacts the height, if you use Dr. Mario's Tornado and Luigi's Cyclone back to back you can tell that Luigi's goes nowhere.
@obviouslyanonymous
11 ай бұрын
@prestige8477 that's what I said. It has much weaker impact, but still a little
@prestige8477
11 ай бұрын
@@obviouslyanonymous It makes him hover rather than gain height which, when combined with the endlag, makes the move useless for recovery.
@MrSolomonGaming
Ай бұрын
I remember the old Luigi grab. I remember the memes; "SPONGE BOY ME BOB! I've been grabbed by Luigi at 0-percent! I'm about to take over 75% in a single combo!"
@Moss_Dude
Ай бұрын
I mean, being grabbed at 0-percent is MUCH worse now
@cherrypeachey
Жыл бұрын
i feel like luigi is the worst in n64, no?
@jonathanb.5153
Жыл бұрын
Nah he's pretty balanced in that game, he's just a worse version of Mario but he has combos that he can end with his up b.
@Holy-Tiramisu
Жыл бұрын
i feel like even the worst character in 64 is more viable than some mid tiers in brawl
@cherrypeachey
Жыл бұрын
@@Holy-Tiramisu yeah this makes a lot more sense honestly
@Holy-Tiramisu
Жыл бұрын
@SAX0N yeah but 64 is pretty balanced. a low tier in 64 is like a mid tier in brawl.
@KIRB881
Жыл бұрын
He's just a worse mario
@greedo194
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't he also the worst character in 64?
@quepow7840
Жыл бұрын
Well according to official tier lists luigi currently is the worst
@danielhernandez2575
Жыл бұрын
But brawl low tiers are so ass it's not even the same realm
@TheMitchellSpecial
9 ай бұрын
no not really, and if you specifically compare luigi across smash games(even if you exclude brawl) his s64 variant still wasnt that bad. he had alright recovery, and great edge guarding, and like everyone else in s64 a good combo game
@gamenwatch6269
Жыл бұрын
I would trad Luigi's 0-death for his Smash 4 Cyclone. I would actually trade anything (except for his combo tools) by having Luigi have better recovery.
@Jesus-hu4lq
Жыл бұрын
Man smash 4 made mario and luigi were crazy in that game. Wished they still had the crazy stuff in ultimate but they are still good in ultimate
@deege376
5 ай бұрын
Idk why they took away the cyclone recovery option. It was fun to use in brawl
@heywhoisthisguy
Жыл бұрын
To this day nothing has caused me more pain than Cyclone going from a funni spin that lets you do funni things to a frame 1 invincible combo breaker and still managing to be objectively worse Could never get over losing my offstage presence, even with all of the buffs he got
@colinftp3288
Жыл бұрын
Cyclone nerf is tragic
@nandolopez7489
11 ай бұрын
Smash 4 Luigi with the Poltergust grab woulda gotten so much hate for being so good
@KingNoirDraco
Жыл бұрын
Better yet luigi in ultimate patch 1.0.0
@AdrianGonzalez-sh7qm
11 ай бұрын
I kinda wish they kept the custom moves on characters in ultimate. I know they were janky in smash 4, but they were really cool
@ggjcggg
11 ай бұрын
no, worst is in 64, where he is widely considered to be the worst
@samuelbrown1283
9 ай бұрын
Smash Ultimate Luigi's Down special is weird to me, when i use it, it doesnt even look like he got any air, even in the air, all it did was make him float, Dr Mario's down special is better!
@X115Megaman
2 ай бұрын
Wrong, Melee is the strongest and best Luigi
@Sly88Frye
Ай бұрын
I'm actually surprised Brawl is the worst version of Luigi. I remember when that was the newest game and my friends and I played it we really felt like Luigi was at his best at the time. And yes Luigi was pretty great in melee but we really thought Luigi was actually at its best in Brawl so it's surprise to see that was actually his worst. I thought the original Smash 64 was the worst Luigi
@Dufasfilms
8 ай бұрын
I mained Luigi back in smash 4
@pseudowoodo5010
3 ай бұрын
Imagine pre 1.1.1 smash 4 luigi, pre patch ultimate tether grab, and melee wavedash, holy crap he'd be broken
@leosmit8612
7 ай бұрын
Yes he was a beast in four I miss 4
@BlueSama97
11 ай бұрын
Man I miss smash 4 combos
@lilorangefella
Жыл бұрын
I hate how they just removed both Luigi and Dr. Mario’s ability to recover with cyclone in Ultimate.
@DPSGames
Ай бұрын
I'm 90% positive that last cyclone clip before the loop is Alpharad. Shoutout to the homies
@screweduptx512
25 күн бұрын
Just like Ryu and Doc Mario, they were the best in Sm4sh. My old school mains
@Plaxil
Ай бұрын
I’d honestly say he was worse in 64 based off his traction and just being a worse Mario
@atari_hmb
Жыл бұрын
True but smash 4 vs n64 luigi are debatable since when Isai plays him its ggs
@travissmith7808
Ай бұрын
Idk, I’d still say N64 Luigi was worse.
@asafjuarez1
Ай бұрын
I thought the worst version of Luigi was Melee
@Furiac.
Жыл бұрын
I've been enjoying trying out luigi in ultimate recently. It can be very oppressive at times.
@lakatusise8771
22 сағат бұрын
In brawl you could climb half the stage with down b if you did it right
@kie2
Ай бұрын
Luigi is literally the bottom 1 in smash 64. I guess you could still say he's worse in Brawl cuz of the infinite though. I'm sure his brawl matchups are more varied but at times worse than his 64 matchups which are consistently bad
@JamaalDaGreatest
Ай бұрын
Bro I dont even play Smash, nor do I like or comment on ANY Smash related videos. Why tf does my algorithm keep showing me these videos even when I say I'm not interested
@WizzyPuff
Ай бұрын
Luigi in early Ultimate was terrifying, if he ever had you in his vacuum past like 30%, it was lights out
@Doomview
2 ай бұрын
In smash ultimate when I go to fight Galeem and Darkon, I use Weegee first to get through the hard part of parkour, his high jump and the ability to spam cyclone during the minion fights so I have all 3 of my mains for the final battle makes him the best lead up
@brianmack8762
Ай бұрын
Also didn’t hope that Luigi has a 2% chance to trip. while everyone else only has a 1% chance
@PKFALLS
2 ай бұрын
If they didn’t nerf luigi with his cyclone in ultimate. He would had been a even more beast of a fighter😭
@SandyHarem
2 ай бұрын
No fuck shit so that’s why Luigi was scared of dedede in sub space mf was gonna put him in a time loop
@aschneider8912
Жыл бұрын
its always crazy to me when people point to melee as the unbalanced broken installment of the bunch. Yeah Fox is strong but he is by no means as met centralizing as Meta Knight. And yeah kirby sucks a lot but when you look at brawl, half of the cast are melee kirby-level compared to Meta Knight. Brawl isn't even fun if you're playing casually
@tempatchtheveryweird3665
11 ай бұрын
arguably Luigi is worse in 64, wheres hes a contender for bottom 1but 64 is oddly balanced.
@Lopster_Real
Жыл бұрын
i. fucking. love. weeg.
@Firethorn.gaming
10 ай бұрын
Well, Ultimate Luigi probably has the best grab in the game, and if he doesnt then he is only beaten by Pac-Man
@oblivious_kawa
Жыл бұрын
Man i miss smash 4 luigi. Now down B is just a lame ass combo breaker that makes everyone hate you and his combo game is not nearly as cool
@hankitypanky2130
Ай бұрын
It sounded like he said “He had one of the best ass grabs in the game” 😂
@pricehart
3 ай бұрын
Luigi is my bro in smash but still can't fight two people at the same time
@ProttMiners
2 ай бұрын
Dedede .. viable!! #Buffdedede
@rflowers360
Жыл бұрын
Smash 4 nickname was trash 4 for a reason most of the characters were bonkers and over powered
@lilfroag4048
3 ай бұрын
No, Coney already told us the best Luigi is Kazuya
@6300As
9 ай бұрын
Best Luigi in my opinion was in melee I was unstoppable with him on that game
@nedcurfman3486
2 ай бұрын
Still waiting for the best and worst iterations of Larold Lurr
@tavocastanedas5744
2 ай бұрын
Yeqh coney knows about the matchup on brawl
@Thelongestshrimp
Жыл бұрын
Do Ridley next, then inkling
@lostinmusic2866
3 ай бұрын
Am I tripping or was the last video and old alpharad video
@jean-lucamadeo4156
11 ай бұрын
Isn’t 64 Luigi the worst character in the game??
@skeetermania3202
3 ай бұрын
What about 64, where he’s the worst character in that game?
@mortmortington240
4 ай бұрын
he is the worst character in 64 there's no way brawl is worse
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