THEY WERE SO FUCKING CLOSE MAN. All it took was velocity sensitivity and this would be my ultimate budget controller. WHY CANT WE HAVE A LAUNCHPAD WITH FADERS???
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
+1!
@va941
Жыл бұрын
LAUNCHPAD WITH FADERS AND KNOBS!!! ULTIMATE CONTROLLER.
@leoopokat8235
Жыл бұрын
@@va941 Solid choice of actionsy
@johnbobbitt6872
Жыл бұрын
Good question. My most complete low-budget setup has a Novation Launchpad X, Korg NanoKontrol2, and Akai MPC mini mk 2. I was hoping that these new Akai APC control surfaces might beat my combination for my backup workstations (saving $ and desk area). I use a plastic cutting board to mount the Launchpad with the NanoKontrol2 below it to handle transport control, faders, mute, solo, and record arm. The MPC is between monitor and computer keyboard. The velocity sensitivity of the MPC and the Launchpad X are useful. I want to study the differences in note mode between the APC and Launchpad.
@johnbobbitt6872
Жыл бұрын
@@va941 Just consider adding a Korg NanoKontrol2 if you already have a keyboard and a Launchpad. For Ableton, it allows each track to have a fader, a pan knob, and mute/solo/record arm buttons that light up when active. The grouping is more like the DAW screens' grouping than it appears the APC provides. The arrangement view timeline markers can also be set, cleared, and selected sequentially.
@JakeSweeper
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't mind seeing a side-by-side comparison of the APC mini mk2 with Novation's Launchpads.
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Check out the pros and cons in this video!
@whitesky38
Жыл бұрын
No USB C what year is it again ?
@StrayMedicine
Жыл бұрын
The new design for these is nice, much improved. They look less budget now
@va941
Жыл бұрын
Nice stuff, but personally am just waiting for a company to snap up the slack and come out with a dedicated Bitwig controller 🤙
@he-man-music
Жыл бұрын
Add Logic Pro to that list!
@mikearment652
Жыл бұрын
X2
@rjbush7955
Жыл бұрын
Amen to that. Was just wondering about that while watching this.
@dannyvalentino328
Жыл бұрын
@@he-man-music Amen to that! 👍🏿
@0015v
Жыл бұрын
Amen
@dragonstone6594
Жыл бұрын
Nice. Now we need a MK2 version of Akai midimix.
@brandonleemoss
6 ай бұрын
YES!!!!!!!! 💯
@alperalp8387
8 ай бұрын
Apc25key&apcmini or apc25key&akaimidimix??
@peabodyscientific2082
Жыл бұрын
Ugh, the lack of full Ableton device control on these is even more disappointing than the MiniLab. How can they say they are "built for Live" and not even go the extra step to have device selection and all parameters? I have a 1st gen Maschine that can cycle through devices on a track and all the device's parameters, yet these newer controllers can't. Anyway, greatly enjoyed the review as always. I'm glad we are finally starting to see some new midi controller gear coming out again, these are my favorite reviews. Can't wait for more.
@Sentientfx1
Жыл бұрын
You can add 8 parameters via macros per track. That gives you 64 faders - too much to remember for me..
@peabodyscientific2082
Жыл бұрын
@@Sentientfx1 You have to map the macros each time you make a new track, too.
@Sentientfx1
Жыл бұрын
@@peabodyscientific2082 Well I make new macros with each new track. Otherwise they're all going to sound the same..
@wimvandenborre706
Жыл бұрын
Now make a 37 with knobs and faders, velocity sensitive and aftertouch! :)
@D-One
Жыл бұрын
3:10 that scrolling text on the pads is both funny and ingenious, a small oled screen would be so much more elegant.
@DaGard-ps2wb
10 ай бұрын
I get no lights at all when I connected to ableton.the keys work,sound is fine.is there a button to turn the lights on?or is just a lemon?thank you,great tutorial
@BrianVison2.0
7 ай бұрын
does anyone know if either one has built in speakers?
@zdravkodimitrov
Жыл бұрын
You should create a video about your dream Ableton controller. Some Photoshop later we'll have something the manufacturers will pay you good money to buy the rights to.
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Take it for free! The problem with Push 2 is that you're forced to take it as a big bundle with the pads grid. Just make that standalone, or perhaps bundle it with an APC Key 25 like grid on the left, but with pressure and velocity sensitivity, so they sit above a keyboard. I'll pair that with my keyboard of choice, and launchpad/APC of choice if they make it without the grid.
@VTOLKits
Жыл бұрын
What is with step recording drums, notes and chords is the most important for me! Like Push and Akai Force!
@michelemarchesani
Жыл бұрын
Hello, I bought it (apc key mk2), but it looks impossible to map manually the knobs. Do you know why? Thanks!
@naeyo
9 ай бұрын
always good to see a video from someone who know's what to show. I got that apc key 25 thanks to your video. It fits my needs as I live in a travelling bag for years and only on occassion is home and use my other gadgets. this little piece will make my laptop happy .:O) Great video ( I know its 1 year ago) still appreciated
@samprock
Жыл бұрын
Good music always supplied with Loopop reviews!
@krasky
Жыл бұрын
lol wut? Just saw AKAI's announcement on Twitter and wanted to check if there's a video of it... Here is loopop ahead of the time!
@wullamulla
Ай бұрын
I use the APC 25 Key to record guitar, bass & synth clips but having to start and stop guitar clips using my hands is limiting. Looking for a way to trigger using a footswitch if anyone knows how!...
@AkaTengu
Жыл бұрын
No pad velocity, custom mapping, or templates :(
@enchantingmusic8873
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, so much for the valuable information sir, hats off to you, clear explaination, and slowly explained which was very important to me. Keep going.. keep up the good work
@TeleporterM11
Жыл бұрын
When will the bigger models drop? Nice products from Akai, just in time for Christmas.
@fede7449
4 ай бұрын
How do you setup everything for the APC leds of the matrix actually work? Ps: how do you setup the knobs?
@2beablessing2012
Жыл бұрын
can you perform drum rolls on this?
@abhishekv1913
Жыл бұрын
Man. What a wonderful video this was! 100 percent supporting you buddy! You're amazing! ❤
@pare4918
Жыл бұрын
Akai should make products for adults. a 64x32 matrix, or an 16x8 master with 16x8 slaves. and ffs put some space between the fours. smh
@_EightySix
Жыл бұрын
They're really obsessed with the tiny, entry level stuff. It's obviously for a reason, they're targeting newcomers who need affordable gear, but it really is frustrating.
@eaman11
Жыл бұрын
The APC Key is nice if you are a guitarist and want to save space: you can control 5 scenes for the parts of your song / training and you have the keys to enter chords in the piano roll, some bass lines... Yet the keys were totally terrible in the old version, much better to remove those and use it as a small luncher /device controller for a "standard" keyboard that lacks devices and launch pads, es an NI m32. On and all Novation minis are more fun and useful with the custom modes, yet kudos to AKAI for the multiencoders and the faders: Novation refuses to understand that knobs are unusable and we do want at least small faders / knobs on the launchpads.
@pierrefitch
Жыл бұрын
Really you can hook guitar to APC Mini mk2 clip
@pierrefitch
Жыл бұрын
Oh nice would AKAI APC KEY 25 MK2 this work well for guitarist or better the apc mini without keyboard 🎹
@lokologico
Жыл бұрын
Prob works with Bitwig too 😅
@ukyoner
9 ай бұрын
Why they don't made a simple update for 1st version ?
@simpson8431
5 ай бұрын
The lack of a sequencer is a huge miss with so many RGB buttons
@e0068-p2s
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for video! Does "drum mode" allow sequencing, like in push? If not - than what's the difference between note and modes?
@robinr22
Жыл бұрын
Presumably (assuming it works like other devices) note mode plays notes, typically locked to a scale. Drum mode also plays notes but they are the correct notes to trigger drums - these often don't use consecutive notes and so a standard keyboard arrangement wouldn't work. And it will snap automatically to an Ableton Drum rack and only give you the usable notes, rather than having to scroll down the octaves and then remember which notes trigger the drums.
@pierrefitch
Жыл бұрын
Oh nice would AKAI APC KEY 25 MK2 this work well for guitarist or better the apc mini without keyboard 🎹
@Kkidzz
Жыл бұрын
Still using my APC40 MK1
@drindy5166
Жыл бұрын
You are a product review warrior. Every video on point and a gem to discover. Great work brother! 👊🧡👍
@Rollur1234
Жыл бұрын
I want apc mini with probability fill and randomization
@tonybeatbutcher
7 ай бұрын
Is there an editor for APC key?
@JimmyCooperAustralia
Жыл бұрын
I've got a Launchkey49, Alesis V25, and Akai MPD32. I'm looking for a 4th device. I'm trying to keep each of these 3 dedicated to controlling the VSTs they're linked to, so my instinct says to favor the Mini MK2 over the Key 25. Can you offer some extra considerations for me here? I'm only just exploring Ableton - I have been using FL Studio for ages but switched to Reaper last year. I'm finding appeal in Ableton now because of the real-time performance aspect. Thoughts?
@thomasfokas
Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t get these to work. Went through all of the setup steps and… KO lights, no nothing. Installed software and set up In Ableton. Nothing.
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Please email customer support
@leemortimer80
Жыл бұрын
Do the pads on the Key 25 send MIDI messages? I currently use the pads on a Novation Circuit (which is slowly dying) to trigger shortcuts I have MIDI mapped in Ableton. Trying to figure out of the Key 25 would be a good replacement.
@friendwithin
10 ай бұрын
Does anyone know if the pads send midi messages when in Ableton Live arrangement view? I'd like to be in arrangement view and MIDI assign some pads to shortcuts like 'loop' or 'show automation'.
@hardgainer7396
Жыл бұрын
12:13 wait WHAT?? They upgraded the already awesome budget controller in so many ways and then made the knobs this inconvenient therefore much less usable? I had this issue with one M-Audio midi keyboard and being unable to set up knobs so that one degree on the knob equals one degree in ableton effect rack was total pain in the ass. Such a shame...
@Flux799
10 ай бұрын
Man I miss the APC40. Crazy how the quality has gone down.
@vorinc
Жыл бұрын
Hey! Do you know if it is compatible as a grid for Monome Norns like the mk1?
@ThesisOfSyn
Жыл бұрын
Great video, was thinking it would be good as an external controller for the mpc live (faders for levels and dedicated pads to trigger stuff when in song mode) but can’t seem to find out if it is customisable as a stand alone midi controller. Would be amazing It it came with an editor like the older native instruments maschine controllers. But it looks like it’s purely a dedicated Ableton thing 😩
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! No editor, unfortunately, but it should work with devices that have MIDI learn. That said, I'd probably get a customizable controller instead.
@sergeiscxzvbn1983
11 ай бұрын
Thnx, you are very help me with choice.🎉
@DanielIvan707
4 ай бұрын
What about the launchKey?
@Disgruntalpunk
Жыл бұрын
was looking at my OG APC40 and thinking, dang it would be nice to have a MKII and he's your video for the mini lol
@myriad860
15 күн бұрын
such a great video
@ivanaguero117
4 ай бұрын
Can I used it with pro tools?
@InspelaRecords
11 ай бұрын
I’m surprised that Akai have never made an APC ‘Pro’ version with full size keys rather than mini keys - but, then again - if you look how long the current MPK range has been out without an update, then maybe it’s no surprise at all, as their focus seems to be elsewhere.
@pierrefitch
Жыл бұрын
Or can I combine both these together with my Akai MPC one
@beatz04
Жыл бұрын
Without any pitch/mod controllers, the APC Key 25 is still useless.
@brennanforrester4026
Жыл бұрын
any luck midi mapping anything with Cmd+M?? it wont work for me :(
@enchantingmusic8873
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@oleksandrpetrov
Жыл бұрын
where can I find a detailed manual for APC Key 25 MK2?
@Rollur1234
Жыл бұрын
I am interested in apc mini
@vitalepitts
Жыл бұрын
I wish they would make an APC with knobs instead of sliders.
@MaxwellMcKinnon
9 ай бұрын
Whoa damn in note mode it entirely replaces the keyboard. Although pretty insane it isn't tuned in 4ths. 3:51 ah that is a guitar shape, so do you have to set that up every time you turn it on, or can you lock it into 4ths for every time you turn it on?
@davedavem
8 ай бұрын
Can these be used in conjunction with analog instruments? As in, can i record audio and then trigger with the pads or are they just triggering midi?
@yoflann
Жыл бұрын
Explanations about Device Mode are quite clear. But can you confirm that, in Volume/Pan/Send Mode, the eights faders/knobs do travel with the clip matrix on both Akai's? (issue mentionned about the Launchpad Mini at 15:00) The official manuals are not very clear with this, saying "The eight faders will control the volume levels of the first eight tracks in Ableton Live."
@GregRband
Жыл бұрын
I only have the APC mini mk2, but yes, I just confirmed the volume faders follow the clip matrix moves/focus.... aka fader 8 controls clip track 8, then three moves to right with focus/direction, fader 8 controls clip track 11 then. I just got a used one and more I use/learn it, the more I like it over my older Launchpad mk2.
@albertopicciau9934
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, I have a question could one of those be connected thorugh midi to a synth?
@leemortimer80
Жыл бұрын
interested
@ManCalledMif
Жыл бұрын
nice one! bought APC mini as a clip launcher and level controller. preordered from amazon £85
@2beablessing2012
Жыл бұрын
got mine for 50 at GC
@marc3d
Жыл бұрын
GC?
@sean808080
9 ай бұрын
@@marc3dguitar center an American retailer
@johnnycomelately2370
Жыл бұрын
I want the APC Mini just so I can watch the names of all the different scales scroll across the pads in huge lettering.
@gilbertoalainsaldanahernan4055
Жыл бұрын
Hi! I have a question. How I can put color in the pads?
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
you change the color in Ableton Live and the pads will match
@System8127
Жыл бұрын
APC mini is the worst controller I experienced, I bought brand new MK1 and had the unit froze playing live, changed it to another new one, same thing. When the shift key is pressed, the unit froze randomly. I will never buy any Akai for ever!
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if that's the integration with Live as opposed to the hardware, since it happened twice. did you contact support?
@System8127
Жыл бұрын
@@loopop Thanks for your reply. I use MacBook Pro 2019 (intel) with my Nord Lead 4 connected to it via the same adaptor. It happens when I try to access the functions menu, so I think it has to be something inside the controller isn't it. I did, awaiting their respond, But I live in a territory, which might not get priority.
@System8127
Жыл бұрын
@@loopop I thought I'd do an update on this thread. The 2 mini MK2 I've bought didn't work. Both got stuck when accessing the functions menu and there was s huge lag between shifting with functions buttons. I had no choice to go for APC40 Mk2. Now my experience with this unit is totally different. all functions working perfect with more ergonomically designed hardware. Although I paid 4 time more than the mini, I feel it brought me lot of freedom by not accessing mouse at all. Conclusion : APC mini Mk1 is not a good product. If ever one should need an Akai, they better consider APC 40s.
@PGGMusic
Жыл бұрын
I hope that the faders are better quality than the faders on the APC mini MK1. Once those faders didn't work correctly anymore, Ableton went crazy with the volume levels.
@martink9785
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, this movement towards making controllers for one application worries me that the next apc40 could go the same way.
@MatthewBirtch
Жыл бұрын
Amazing tune at the end !
@GregRband
Жыл бұрын
Xlnt review and info to ponder. Demo song was very cool and a great example/inspiration of what can be done with these. thanks so much.
@jaxonleeswain
Жыл бұрын
Spaceballs 👽 For real though, your videos are so helpful! We appreciate you 🎹
@monica_dias
7 ай бұрын
Such a great video! Really what I needed! Thank you :)
@King-Trax
Жыл бұрын
Anyone making cases for the mini II controller yet?
@JustinThomasProducer
10 ай бұрын
At 4:02 you said it has to have the latest firmware. Does that mean you also have to have the latest version of Ableton ? Or will it work will older versions of Ableton ? Thanks again for your work . Excellent job .
@loopop
10 ай бұрын
Thanks! I don't think it will work with old versions of Ableton, please check the specs I don't remember by heart
@jeanbrodeur1998
Жыл бұрын
Great vid! First time here and....wow! Still new to Ableton with my Novation Launchkey mini MK3, but does they APC Mini MK2 would be a good addition ?
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, they should work nicely together
@eseo860101
Жыл бұрын
Hi loopop, I purchased APC Key 25 MK2 after watching this, and I am not able to assign the 8 knobs as custom as it is stated "assignable knobs" on the website. Just wanted to make sure if I'm missing something, or this unit is just built like so. Any information would be much appreciated. Thank you!
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm.... you start saying you bought it after watching my video, but refer to something the website promised you. That's a really odd way to ask a question since I can only be responsible for what I say in the video. Anyway, I stand by what I say this can and can't do in the video. I suggest you contact their tech support if you've been promised something else on their website.
@GradyNickel
Жыл бұрын
Is there a foot pedal input on either one of these for looping? Live STILL doesn't have the ability to set loop length before recording a clip so having a pedal is vital. A glaring omission and I can't believe Ableton still hasn't implemented this.
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
No pedal input unfortunately on either. Your question got me googling so I'll save you the effort - here are 5 ways: drolez.com/blog/music/live-looping-with-ableton-live.php
@theartoflivingoutloud888
Жыл бұрын
This is why I like Akai. Making shit affordable for me.
@piotrzelwirowicz1228
Жыл бұрын
Warning ! Is worth to mention that this unit lives only with Ableton 11.2.7. If you, like me stuck on older, stable Ableton than APC 25 is useless for you.
@yoflann
Жыл бұрын
I've not tried myself but maybe you can find the Surface Control scripts files in Ableton lite 11 and copy them back in your older version?
@llRoBoBinHoll
Жыл бұрын
Can you send program changes from the pads? Probably not, right. Due to the lack of programmability.
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Not directly, but you could within an Ableton Live clip
@somberrhombus
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if this would play nice with the loop grid in Logic Pro
@douglasfugazi
Жыл бұрын
I loved this before showing the gear but ableton live too in the video. Keep it up the good work 👍
@fluoxethine
Жыл бұрын
These pads should be square. Dumb design
@faxisthefox
Жыл бұрын
This got me thinking why there aren't many note grid layouts for guitar/bass players who don't want to fork over the cash for a midi guitar setup - like a EADG kind of bass set up a 4x8 grid possibly could work - just keying in chord shapes could save some time
@morizanova
Жыл бұрын
yeah .. thats maybe the reason why I prefers customizable layouts . It doesn`t matter grid or keys , it should be possible make custom layout to suit our playing style or when jamming for ideas and producing . The funny thing I`ve found freeware ( sadly only for windows OS ) and cheap midi keyboard which offer those possibilities . Now I can shred or play any kind of notes I wanted without too much hassle
@Hanoveur
Жыл бұрын
Cute! I love the tiny form factor...always like the smaller alternatives when the desk space is at a premium. $90 is a no brainer too.
@akshaygurav9855
Жыл бұрын
great !! So is there any way to upgrade my old apc mini with these new features ? some software update should do that right ?
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
not that I know, certainly not full color RGB pads
@publika6883
Жыл бұрын
Gimme a sequencer and i'll buy it
@Khdnah
Жыл бұрын
the old apc mini is available for a low price, is worth it to get the new ? dont really need the key, drum modes. the rgb is convincing though.
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
I think RGB is a big deal
@chrisknights5853
Жыл бұрын
Its shame the pads for drum mode on the apc don't light up when used with anything other than Ableton, tried it myself, the note mode lights up though and the controller still sends midi in drum mode though so it's not all bad, for the money it's a very nicely made little unit, and easily used in loads of iOS apps even if it's not natively supported..
@JohnSmith-pn2vl
Жыл бұрын
the new mini is a banger product imo
@cidodido
Жыл бұрын
IT ONLY WORKS WITH ABLETON 11
@whereisko
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I've been intrigued by the APC mini for years but the lack of motorised faders through me off until I saw you do a section about Takeover Modes. I'm new to Ableton Suite and was looking into a Push 2 or APC
@MS7.7
Жыл бұрын
Motorzied faders for 90$??? Plus a controller? that doesn't exist. You are asking too much, anything motorized will be at least x2 or x3 sometimes x4 the price. Actually its x10 😂 Same thing goes for motorized DJs.
@whereisko
Жыл бұрын
@@MS7.7 one could always dream. Besides it’s not outside the realms of reality as Beringer did one for reason for about 120£ in the mid 00s with motorised faders
@MS7.7
Жыл бұрын
@@whereisko Yes I dream too but I'm realistic too, I would pay not 120 but 200 immediately for device like this with motorize faders. But if any thing in the price range exist let me know because I would love to get it and I couldn't find anything remotely close. Used market makes your dream true but most likely for such price it will need maintenance. Today I received the APC mini mk2 and for the money I can hardly complain. I will get push 2 after while and make APC dedicated for launching clips and volume control and everything else will be on the push. It does have the annoying Akai mentality which Novation supersedes elegantly but I think its good for secondary device not as main because it will give you headache from pressing shift million times a minute.
@whereisko
Жыл бұрын
@@MS7.7 also not once did I mention price in the original reply. I’ve always wanted mortised faders and deep integration that I wouldn’t have to customise myself, just plug and play. Nothing has truely lived up to it.
@tobyshiged
Жыл бұрын
APC mini mk2 can change midi channel ?
@averagepainter
Жыл бұрын
2:30 a wendy carlos moment
@djgalawak
Жыл бұрын
hello, cool tuto again, apc mini i can't find midi mapping (like nano korg), fader full put live fader above 0db , its for live act, quick cut vol .. best vibes
@jonnycoust3657
Жыл бұрын
Akai its working on that, they tell me that in their support team....Waiting to them....
@djgalawak
Жыл бұрын
@@jonnycoust3657 nice if update midi map come maybe ;) . 10,12 channel model will be great or 6ch model coupled, not exist at decent price ;) best vibes
@phantazzor
Жыл бұрын
what about mini vs 40
@FriscoPisco
Жыл бұрын
Great review , I don’t see a Click on off button , any work arounds
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks and not that I know of
@DEDZU786
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful ending 👋
@johnking8298
Жыл бұрын
Sun Machine One might be my favorite Loopop song. Great version!
@loopop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Hanoveur
Жыл бұрын
Got the APC mini yesterday. The only problem is I wish they would have included transport controls. Launching record from the clips mode and switching to drums or notes immediately (which also includes holding down shift) feels very clumsy. This feels like its made for performance than anything else.
@gilbertoalainsaldanahernan4055
Жыл бұрын
Made! I have a question. How I can put color in the pads?
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