There are a lot of questions regarding replacing items in the comments, so I'll try my best to answer the most common ones. First of all, again, a ton more information can be found here in ImpishCoconut's thread: www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/avunp1/63_pts_hunter_top_damage_build_spreadsheets/ - Especially if you have questions regarding how specific gods work with this build, you can find out there. 1) Is this only for hunters with steroids/attack speed buffs? - No. As I said in the video, it's even the highest DPS build for gods like Hou Yi who don't have that. 2) What about Transcendence? - One condition for this build was to have 1 Lifesteal item. If you don't want that, swap Bloodforge for Transcendence for higher DPS. Also, build it earlier. 3) What if I want more lifesteal? - Swap Bloodforge for Devourer's Gauntlet. Minor DPS loss, drastic lifesteal increase. Also, build it earlier. Keep in mind that this build doesn't synergize as well with lifesteal as a crit build, as a decent amount of damage comes from Qins and Odysseus' Bow procs which don't factor towards lifesteal. 4) What if I want more ability damage? - Swap Odysseus' Bow for The Crusher and build it before Executioner. Pretty much the same single-target DPS, more ability damage. 5) What if I want crit? - See crit section of the video 6) What if I want more earlygame ability damage? - Build Warrior Tabi and swap it for Ninja Tabi (or something else) in lategame. 7) What if I have a personal vendetta against Silverbranch and never want to build it? - Put both Crusher and Odysseus' Bow in the build instead. It's as close as you can get. 8) What if I still can't hit my basics? - Welcome to my world.
@jackbenimble4903
5 жыл бұрын
DukeSloth Question 8’s answer made my day.
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
5 жыл бұрын
8) me to
@Eftkud
5 жыл бұрын
Short answer for #8: play izanami
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
5 жыл бұрын
@@Eftkud Youre overestimating our abilities.
@Eftkud
5 жыл бұрын
NPC 144530113 jorm adc then
@WDM734
5 жыл бұрын
Never thought I would see the day that silver branch is good.
@Trollamity
5 жыл бұрын
Happy Belated Birthday DukeSloth. Keep making videos.
@shinectasker2473
5 жыл бұрын
How do you take so much
@slaayerr1
5 жыл бұрын
And a month later and this build is absolute shit already lol
@FadeToBlood
5 жыл бұрын
What’s a better build now?
@destructive-_-d7122
5 жыл бұрын
Build is not good loool
@abshirahmed99
5 жыл бұрын
this is just pure content creation.. silver branchbow sucks
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
This was calculated by someone who doesn't even have interest in content creation. Just because you don't understand numbers, don't blame others for doing so.
@jasonsavage8494
5 жыл бұрын
Translation - ‘I both don’t understand maths and am totally unwilling to learn, so instead I’m going to stick to what I thought I knew even though irrefutable data proves otherwise and just BM the people with the brains to work this stuff out’ Fixed your comment :) you’re welcome. (Yes, Silverbranch passive is still pretty garbage. But because the passive is so awful they’ve buffed and buffed and buffed the item to the point where the base stats alone make it strong. Hence the situation we have where it is part of the mathematically highest DPS)
@destructive-_-d7122
5 жыл бұрын
DukeSloth I tested it as the theory sounds good but it doesn’t work as well as I thought it would
@impishcoconut572
5 жыл бұрын
@@destructive-_-d7122 If you can give me specific examples on why not, I will be more than happy to crunch the numbers again.
@MinecraftLovesSteve
5 жыл бұрын
im not gonna lie, i had to take a double take when he said silverbranch bow
@jackbenimble4903
5 жыл бұрын
See I thought the item was gonna be Runeforge Hammer, the title would be wrong then, because you sure as hell want that sweet passive. Silverbranch bow making plays, that honestly caught me off guard. It’s nice how many build options are actually viable at the moment. Crit, pen/power, attack speed and qin’s, runeforged asi, It’s fun to have some more build paths for what normally is a pretty linear role.
@TrayDays113
5 жыл бұрын
I thought this EXACT same thing. It really is nice to have many builds to utilize this season.
@ThalisBrow
5 жыл бұрын
Asi? LOL
@jackbenimble4903
5 жыл бұрын
Coming back after playing some Artemis games, Duke is right, Silverbranch is definitely fun. Hunter’s blessing+Silverbanch+Boots and Artemis steroid already is overcapping, but then you get Exe, Qins, Odd bow, and you’re getting 40 power off of Silverbranch. 70 power for a 2200 gold item is pretty nuts. Plus it means you’re constantly getting the most out of your Qins and a ton of Odd bow procs. I do think I want to stick to runeforge for the gods that make good use of it, Cern, AMC, Artemis, etc, but that’s just because I want to be able to have better survivability against those early jungle ganks.
@kriegaone3658
5 жыл бұрын
runreforged asi build still has qins lol.
@robbiesarkioglu5623
5 жыл бұрын
@@ThalisBrow Asi is actually viable for builds rushing Trans... kinda a go 2 item for Ullr, Hou Yi...
@WallyDaDeity
5 жыл бұрын
Saw that Reddit post.. must've taken an insane amount of time to calculate all of that damage.
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
I think at this point it's actually not THAT much work for Impish anymore, as far as I understand it at least, because you basically feed the software the options and let it runs its tests. However, creating and setting up the software initially must've been absolutely crazy amounts of work and he's still making adjustments to it to this day.
@impishcoconut572
5 жыл бұрын
Actually, I have written the program to simulate the millions of combinations and export it out to Excel in a time efficient manner. I have done this since Season 4, so its a lot easier now to do an updated one when a new patch comes out.
@blainefiasco8225
5 жыл бұрын
Duke calling sbb good? I think I’m in the wrong dimension again...
@impishcoconut572
5 жыл бұрын
I converted him to the dark side of the force.
@ThalisBrow
5 жыл бұрын
323 with 2.5 attack speed GSUS CRHIST
@Raelyn
5 жыл бұрын
Honestly super interesting. Hunter builds have never been more variable. Quite an exciting time to play the point and click adventure role. I played around with the build earlier and had a lot of fun with it. Noticed I was clearing and poking a lot more, but the lack of inherent lifesteal definitely was noticeable until I got Bloodforge online (I often found myself picking it up before Qin's Sais). In what matchups would you recommend rushing Devo's over Silverbranch or vice versa? And how does Runeforge compare I wonder? The Hunter role deepens.
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
Runeforged will be a story for another time. Lifesteal is mostly a matter of preference, but also of aggression. If you're playing a hunter with a significantly weaker early, I'd recommend rushing Devos as you wouldn't be playing for early. With equal or stronger early, you'll get more out of Silverbranch.
@Eneticckk
5 жыл бұрын
I can promise you I'd never have believed that Silverbranch was good unless it was Dukesloth telling me it was and explaining it as well as he does
@gustavodavid2401
5 жыл бұрын
This is important knowledge, thanks! ♥ I will try this buils in future games 💪👌
@nickbaer8866
5 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man keep up the good work!!
@NickopzTV
5 жыл бұрын
Duke I just used this build in joust with hachiman and skadi. I destoryed with it lol. Thank you for giving me a reason to play hunters again!
@AlphaT10
5 жыл бұрын
Didn’t realise it was your birthday but happy late birthday dude 🥳
@Lucy2Juicy
5 жыл бұрын
Sorry I didnt see Duke, Happy Belated Birthday!
@livinlife1057
5 жыл бұрын
Didn't watch yet. But I wanna guess... runeforge..? Edit: Damn.. I was wrong.
@ajparker7575
5 жыл бұрын
I'm curious, do you think a hammer build on Jing Wei would be to awful to consider? More than likely you'd just pick up titans bane as your one pen item, get all three hammers (most likely in order of Blackthorn > Frostbound > Runeforged with titan's bane woven in the middle of that when the enemies have enough protections to warrant it), and as a Jing Wei specific twist, Stone of Gaia, since she can both make use of the normal passive and intentionally proc the secondary passive, aloowing her to play even more aggressively with her dash (maybe even play her in solo lane with this). I don't know when or where you'd actually pick up the Stone of Gaia though (build order wise).
@juliansmit3770
5 жыл бұрын
As someone who just joined the game a week ago I’m happy to find youtubers who do builds. Hunters seem very hard for me as a beginning player (I played league before on a decent high lvl plat/dia but these adcs feel a lot harder)
@impishcoconut572
5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the game!
@juliansmit3770
5 жыл бұрын
Impish Coconut thanks! Mainly playing Odin now because he’s so easy. Also Fenrir on conquest mode in the jungle
@nodropped_8507
5 жыл бұрын
L O L
@powervacuum550
5 жыл бұрын
Thought he was talking about runeforged...
@impishcoconut572
5 жыл бұрын
It does work on a few hunters.
@rapsody230
5 жыл бұрын
Runeforge is much more specific thansilver, without consistent CC in your kit its kind of a waste.
@c_f0rce
5 жыл бұрын
@@rapsody230 Every team fight should have constant cc.
@bladethevamp
5 жыл бұрын
@@c_f0rce I agree, i love cupcakes
@mason3615
5 жыл бұрын
Love You
@jasonsavage8494
5 жыл бұрын
The fact that SBB Bow is now a good item is one I find deeply unsettling. Single-crit as part of a Qins build hurts me even more :P But maths is maths, the facts are all there. I’d like to see a tweak to Silverbranch, personally, where they nerf the base stats and buff the passive. There is zero sense from a design perspective of an item being good even when the point it was made for - to synergise with high attack speed builds - isn’t even relevant because you don’t need the passive for the item to be strong.
@skarmorydx3565
5 жыл бұрын
I'll have to try this in a future, I'm struggling with adcs since I don't know how to build them [since I'm more towards magic side] Interesting how an item that never seen love cause it's passive...it's now getting love by everything but the passive
@ConcerninglyWiseAlligator
5 жыл бұрын
As soon as i saw the title i knew it was silverbranch bow. Why? Because the passive is the only one that is unaplicable enough for the title to make sense. Pls change that thing.
@riddle1522
5 жыл бұрын
Silverbranch was my first guess xD But I expected some crit to be in the build as well for maximum dps EDIT: I was correct, I calculated the dps of the build in the video with 0 defenses (because the compassion won't be affected by pen) was 894.9DPS. If you change out bloodforge for a death bringer, approximately you get 984.65DPS. around 12.5% more dps than the "calculated" one. And no, Rage is not better, it only gives 948.4DPS (and I used a pen and paper for this...)
@impishcoconut572
5 жыл бұрын
If you want to explain more in the reddit post, I can take a look at it.
@c_f0rce
5 жыл бұрын
I mean. That's assuming you actually crit. Plus you have no life steal.
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
The rule was to include a lifesteal item. You can include Trans as well to achieve higher DPS, but that's not the point. The point is to keep some survivability in the build. Also, in that case I wouldn't be surprised if DB provides higher DPS than Rage, as DB functions as some weird power/crit hybrid item in this case and the base power with Rage might be too low. Not gonna run the numbers though as I don't think it matters for most players. The majority of players will go into LS.
@riddle1522
5 жыл бұрын
@@DukeSloth ahh, I guess I overheard the lifesteal part, my bad.
@wiseferret4745
5 жыл бұрын
What about wind demon in place of bloodforged? Just curious.
@Ermacc187
5 жыл бұрын
What if you bought an elixir of speed and sold your boots for deathbringer in the crit build or bought Atalanta's bow in the speed build? Also, happy birthday.
@impishcoconut572
5 жыл бұрын
In the reddit post, I show dps calculations for no boots builds, check it out to find the answer.
@Ermacc187
5 жыл бұрын
I will do that
@BurlapRat
5 жыл бұрын
Silver Branch Bow is perfect for Apollo cause his passive.
@martynborthwick1845
5 жыл бұрын
@ Dukesloth may as well sub on my 3rd YT ^^ Topic suggestions if you're feeling lazy one day; Has cross compat improved matchmaking in regards to more balanced teams? New god suggestions after Jormungandr, i dont think Fenrir will get released :( How to deal with teams that dont group up past the 20 minute mark/ feed / refuse to ward etc Is the highest quality of players still pc, or have console folks surprised pc players An update on building team comps? Best gods for each role in S6, if theres enough data yet
@quaray33
5 жыл бұрын
@Dukesloth might I recommend Asi or Atalantas bow to swap in. Ditch the boots, get the potion. (I tested this build with cupid. His 3 adds passive attack speed.) Swapped bloodforge for asi and his attack power was 322. Plus it came with penetration, which is crucial. And instead of rage, might I recommend Wind Demon? The proc on that would benefit the user more.
@fakelove7272
5 жыл бұрын
Crit is not an option against nemean and thorns heavies. They identify you inmediatly if you do a good performance in your lane, and soon you will have a solo and a supp with that build, and even mid if it is a healer or they just see that you are the top player and yourmid sucks. And with this kuzembo in many games that item is the last choice. Besides healers like baron, chang'e, aprho and hel are very used in casuals, so toxic is going to be a forced item to have movement speed and anti healing at the same time in order get those heavy goods. If you have healers in your game, your damage will worry them a shit because they will have good movement speed with the asclepius plus their pasive movement speed -because all the healers have a passive that involves movement speed- and then you will hit maybe a couple hits with a merely based on damage build and your performance will be bad. In this case wind demon or its brother are one of the best choices. And penetration is just forced too because healers always go for armor when the carry is good enough. And the sustain is just too nacesary for many carries that if you don't have it you will lose your lane by pressure when the other buys sustain. Only a few hunters can care less about sustain items like neith or cupid, and maybeeee chiron, chernobog, ah muzen cab, and ullr can go for trascendence because they have sustain passives or can return to lane fast, or they have to much early that they can't be pushed (or all together like that fucking ullr). But in general the sustain stacks are base. And the final thing is that a player has to identify if his hunter do better performance with skills based build or with basic attack build. No one will build skills based with rama or jing wei. Those gods are mainly basic attack gods and their build has to care primarily for: attack speed. And gods like neith or ullr, are skill based mainly even thoug they are decent with basic atack builds. And finally theres an item that has broken the meta and it is: runeforged hammer. It is a total beasty item that gives adc absurd damage.
@deleonfountain8220
5 жыл бұрын
Few days ago I was level 14 or so and hit Ah Puch with an auto while he was inside my ult as hou yi. It hit for 430 without mark...just runeforge passive which is nutty and you’re telling me this has the potential to do better than that?
@patrickallen6193
5 жыл бұрын
I tried this build, I wish H-Rez to stop nerfing all because a Player said so, i dont know about you but am so sick of nerfing items.
@kotablackburn5240
5 жыл бұрын
Love you duke! You've taught me smite!
@margs9184
5 жыл бұрын
I always liked your videos before click bait titles. Not so much with this.
@Stonegoal
5 жыл бұрын
I have been away for at least a year and when I left silver branch was stealing magic power or some crap like that. It was one of the worse hunter items. I normally do not watch many videos but i wanted to get a feeling for the top tier items and gods again.
@Animemom96
5 жыл бұрын
will definitely have to try this out but wouldn't stacking trans asap still be better on gods that make good use of their abilities like Neith, Chiron, Medusa to a point, etc?
@dragontyron
5 жыл бұрын
I imagine the answer to this is "yes, but only through midgame." DPS via basic attacks is generally always the highest damage output a hunter can achieve, but the ability hunters stand out because they can do more damage through their ability burst at earlier points in the game. Once full build rolls around, higher basic attack DPS is still more useful, but until then you can make an argument for ability burst winning the game earlier. EDIT: Alternatively, because I have the big dumb and forgot, see Duke's pinned comment. Transcendence will have more total DPS but you would exchange Bloodforge for it, and build it earlier.
@c_f0rce
5 жыл бұрын
@@dragontyron Neith and Chiron don't build got autos. They build for abilities. Idk why you mentioned Medusa. Her ability damage is not very high. She has like 70% scaling on her 2. She's better with attack speed builds.
@dragontyron
5 жыл бұрын
@@c_f0rce Correct, they typically don't. This build will still give them the highest endgame DPS, but in their case it may still be a better idea to focus on early/midgame ability damage, since they'll lose the lategame matchup against a basic attack hunter regardless.
@bigrodent469
5 жыл бұрын
How good would this be on Apollo?
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
See for yourself here: drive.google.com/file/d/1wyJZ1-kzylpymQHnO1RS2YYI3x7SgDYh/view check the Apollo tab and the Apollo steroid tab. Two variations of it are still the best sustainable DPS without the steroid, but with the steroid, high power builds with items like Transcendence become stronger. But you also have to keep in mind that the DPS build will allow you to have your steroid up more often in the first place, so I personally would still build it. Purely focusing on the steroid phase seems counterintuitive to me personally.
@tsohgallik
5 жыл бұрын
on characters like Rama, Artemis, Medusa... They can still use Transcendence. idk.... Maybe Transcendence, Ninja Tabi, Silverbranch, Executioner.... Odyssey. I guess? and then use the speed buff from the ability....
@rapsody230
5 жыл бұрын
Meh, they can all three use runeforge effectively, might as well just buy that instead of trans.
@mochmaster45
5 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed that this build isn't even better with wind demon in place of blood forge. I know BF has a lot of power, but with the passive from WD with passive from silver branch (maybe with AS steroid) in addiiton to more crits seems like it would be better. Maybe I'm just a softie for crit
@michaelmunson6809
5 жыл бұрын
Survivability. Bloodforge makes 2v1s easy as hell tbh.
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
5 жыл бұрын
Wait isnt crusher better then silver branch? I guess it depends on if your aa or ability.
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
For ability-damage, yes. You have a bit more pen and the passive. But this focuses on maximum DPS through basics and due to Silverbranch having almost double the attack speed (15% more), it comes out on top in that regard. Also, in lategame Silverbranch's passive should lead to higher overall damage if you overcap, too. That said, Crusher is still a very close contender as we can see by the fact that it's often included as the 6th item if you trade out boots. If you want a build with almost the same single--target DPS, more ability damage but less teamfight, you can trade out Odysseus' Bow for the Crusher. So: Ninja Tabi - Silverbranch - Crusher - Executioner - Qins - Bloodforge. That would basically the pen/ability variation, whereas putting Rage in that slot is the crit variation. All of these builds are very similar in how they play and overall damage.
@somerandomperson2013
5 жыл бұрын
@@DukeSloth I thought that Ichival was better then Crusher
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
@@somerandomperson2013 "better" in this context is kinda.. vague. For direct boxing and cheap earlygame DPS, Ichaival is better due to its power steal and low price. If you're after maxing ability damage, Crusher is most certainly the better option.
@houyeet
5 жыл бұрын
Hey i’m in the thumbnail!
@michaelzuniga414
5 жыл бұрын
First
@Blackopsspartn
5 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for Atalantas bow to shine
@grantweaver3698
5 жыл бұрын
Atalanta's is a blast to use on bakasura. :D
@Dontuploadanymore
5 жыл бұрын
I used to run silver branch in placement of crusher depending on the god
@sparkygtynes
3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t silverbranch 10% penetration?
@Eftkud
5 жыл бұрын
Hey duke, what is your opinion about relic dagger on asassins like hun batz Great content as always m8, never expected that silverbranch outside of apollo 4 the memes
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
I'm torn. It's this item that is decent on paper, but always feels underwhelming when you actually use it because you're kinda missing something else that you need more.
@Eftkud
5 жыл бұрын
DukeSloth yeah it feels... ok, i love the blink plays and using the fact that people dont expect a faster blink i find it useful... but in ARENA 😂
@vegetablevegetable
3 жыл бұрын
Which hunter has the fastest attack speed among all?
@Jormyyy
5 жыл бұрын
DANGIT I spoiled myself with what the item surprise was by reading the comments. Also if they nerf silverbranch bow in future patches I might scream.
@dan240393
5 жыл бұрын
Is this one of those builds that doesn't translate outside of Conquest? I've tried it in my last few games... And it just feels horrible compared to the more standard builds. Its DPS doesn't seem to kick in at all until the 5th item and even then it just doesn't feel strong. Even capped on AS as Medusa I was getting 0 Power from Silverbranch normally and only an extra 37 with her steroid up. Its enormously underwhelming.
@ZhukelDror
5 жыл бұрын
Is this build good for Hachiman?
@jasonsavage8494
5 жыл бұрын
But a big question IMO is - what about very early game? Comparing a few hunters starting with hunter’s blessing and either T1 SBB or T1 Transendence (with which you can also afford two more potions), the AA dps is practically identical. But you lose out on, depending on the scaling of the ability, anywhere from 6-10 damage (with a few edge cases like Artemis) on your waveclear each time you use it. With the first couple of waves being so crucial for potential purple invades / defending against them, the amount of early clear being sacrificed to rush SBB after boots seems questionable (like how Ichaival rush isn’t really a thing either).
@hobodarkness7696
5 жыл бұрын
Good work to all who were involved in making this content i reall6 appreciate you guys making this for us. I don't play adc much and this really helps out more than you can imagine. Again i really appreciate your services and i hope you guys have the best time. Have a wonderful day.
@Goma535
5 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video with good build examples for every role / god type? :)
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
Not gonna be "a" video because that would be way too long, but I'll do similar things for other classes, yes
@fungab1446
5 жыл бұрын
Happy birthday man. Bro thank you for this video I got my hou yi to rank X but the current meta isn’t friendly for him anymore. He doesn’t do as much damage as he used , with all the nerfs and buffs I don’t know how to make a good dps build. Especially one that makes my 3x bounce kill squishy with 3/4 health or below
@Demonbane41276
5 жыл бұрын
I've always thought you should build attack speed first...but listening to people that "know better" I really never did. Yes, power would be great for an ability based god or if you hit every attack.
@danielfraiz74
5 жыл бұрын
I really never expected silverbranch to be useful. I've tried some 2.5 attack speed builds and I only got 18 power and thought meh it's not worth it, but now I see many people using it, even as early item and I'm like what the hell
@GeardoGaming
5 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about the Titan's Bane + Quins combo? With the push to bring back Warriors and double tanks being more common, I find this Tankbuster combo useful more often including some gods you do not see tanking that are still affected by it. Anything on the Smite Trello website?
@tundragaming5
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this would work on Kali?
@andrewking2323
5 жыл бұрын
Damn it DukeSloth. You've highlighted my secret sleeper item. I'll never be able to get away with apollo silverbranch without being called out for mimicry.
@teriiyaki_god
5 жыл бұрын
still prefer me attack speed crit power pen
@BigSleepyJoeCooking
5 жыл бұрын
berserkers ninja tabi ichaivel runeforged frostbound. Not great late game but early game is actually decent cus everything is so cheap, kinda a meme build but works.
@marquisdeans8271
5 жыл бұрын
I love this item on Apollo at full build I’m constantly overcapping so when his passive steroid procs I literally get almost bonus power 😍😍 not to mention the 30-35 power the item itself gives I literally delete any structure or tank late game
@HeavyStuffProject
5 жыл бұрын
Duke the build with: trascendence, warrior,crusher,heartseeker,yotun and titan/odyss/soul eater for close is still worth on ability based god?
@MrProdigy810
5 жыл бұрын
What was that medusa ult at the end tho? Dukesloth u playin on xbox now?
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
Can you read? Because if yes, watch the beginning of the video. Your question is answered there.
@mackvaclaw7048
4 жыл бұрын
Atlantis now better for hunters
@henryharris8971
4 жыл бұрын
That ricochet shot at 2:05 was insane
@monkeytoes1155
5 жыл бұрын
Could this work with Neith?
@fisharepeopletoo9653
5 жыл бұрын
Great vid and happy birthday!
@J.JONAH.Jameson
5 жыл бұрын
Ah the season 4 build for hunting dem pictures of the Spider-Man
@atc_evie
5 жыл бұрын
what about wind demon tho
@andyyang3570
5 жыл бұрын
Lmao I use this build in the thumbnail every game as a hunter. My in game name is TyrianGreen if you wanna check lmao
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
I actually checked it, just for the fun of it. You lied to me :(
@andyyang3570
5 жыл бұрын
DukeSloth Damn mb chief, I must’ve used it like one game and thought I used it every game lmao. Mb
@barrice5117
4 жыл бұрын
Still use this build it wrecks
@ashra8281
5 жыл бұрын
I like the new frostbound build for Cern and gods like that, it's just more fun than the unicorn build
@renzonunez6046
5 жыл бұрын
So, no trascendence anymore?
@iJohnRambo
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, I’ve been trying out similar builds and have been getting flogged by teammates for it.
@rylandoyle5575
5 жыл бұрын
The toxic merlin...lmao
@BIGGGO4
5 жыл бұрын
So why is Silverbranch specifically good on Hou Yi?
@FuuuckJustinBieber
5 жыл бұрын
Lots of AS plus his mark(2)
@pedroserranoviejo2224
5 жыл бұрын
Its not specially good on him but on every Hunter because you want the base stats the pasive isnt that important so even as hou yi Who has kinda low atackspeed and no steroid its still the New higher dps build
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
What Pedro said. It's the highest or second highest DPS build on most hunters, which is why I used it on Medusa as well. It's just interesting THAT it is good on a god like Hou Yi, when really, it shouldn't as he doesn't utilize the passive at all.
@notsarthakkumar
5 жыл бұрын
Rushing devs is still million times better than this build imo .
@rapsody230
5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately you are mathematically wrong. You will miss 20 dps and slow down your build curve. Its not bad, just a little bit less optimal. Then again if you happen to need sustain more when laning early game, sure go devos, its fine.
@gravyfordays8454
5 жыл бұрын
Xblal with runeforged and frostbound is insane, especiallynif you have a good cc team. Just throwing it out there
@LegendaryDreamslayer
5 жыл бұрын
That combo is actually crazy strong right now, its not quite full crit levels of damage BUT it doesn't have the downsides of being countered by like 1 item. A pen frostforged build melts everything, and is super effective against characters that like to run away while tanking ala warriors.
@gravyfordays8454
5 жыл бұрын
Yea I go Ninja tabi, runforged, asi, executioner, qins, frostbound and then sell boots for obow if the game goes that late. I went like 20/4/5 in a 2v3 joust with that build hahahahaha
@LegendaryDreamslayer
5 жыл бұрын
@@gravyfordays8454 That is actually almost exactly what I typically run with a frostforge build. I think I ran like Transcendence over Asi for the extra power but Asi is a strong item too. I got a penta with Hou Yi with a similar build at one point.
@antoniocamarillo2477
5 жыл бұрын
U build obow for the passive, not having Titans bane really hurts obow.
@robbiesarkioglu5623
5 жыл бұрын
I disagree depends on the Team Comps, The God, etc. Like that current start out build on Hou Yi is terrible and I'm a Hou Yi main this was hard to watch especially at 3:50 dive bombs on a Neith with wave at low Hp with kit being on cool down... what even..
@robbiesarkioglu5623
5 жыл бұрын
@WILLtheKNIGHT I'm not disagreeing with the DPS I'm disagreeing with being the best build there's other ways to build hunters atm hell Rune forge being one of em.. And this build is easy 2 counter with Midgardian Mail alone...
@LegendaryDreamslayer
5 жыл бұрын
@WILLtheKNIGHT Its mathematically the best build under very optimal situations, with no counter building and no tanks. Unlike most people I actually dropped over to the original thread and they didn't even test it against tanks. It also ignores the reality that things like movement speed can be more important than damage in key moments. Additionally there are several items that completely murder attack speed focused builds. It also focus's purely on DPS and ignores the reality that we are in a full on burst meta. Which do you think is better in a hunter build Silverbranch or Hydras? Ullr says Hydras. Ullr doesn't need super high dps, he axes you and then deletes your existence in under a second. If he fails he tries again like 8 seconds later. He doesn't even need to kill you to win the fight. He can force you out of lane just with ranged snipes that hit from so far away you'll never land an auto. DPS is good but not everything, a loss of DPS for a strong gain in utility can win matches. Same reason that many assassins splash armor pieces, damage isn't everything.
@Raelyn
5 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryDreamslayer What you're saying is true, but most Hunter's aren't even considered for their utility. They're mostly valued for their late-game damage, which is why so many prioritize DPS as the most important factor for a Hunter. Or an ADC I should say. Ullr is a unique case because most people don't consider him an ADC due to the sheer value in his kit. Of course Ullr doesn't need Silverbranch and would be way better off with Hydras. But I can't imagine other Hunters wanting to build into that kind of utility. Jing, Apollo, Xbalanque, Artemis, I can't see any non-ability based Hunters not wanting to build Silverbranch.
@LegendaryDreamslayer
5 жыл бұрын
@@Raelyn I was speaking to self utility not team utility. As an example cooldown is utility for self on hunters and is picked up to improve your own fighting power not strictly to aid your team. Movement speed is a hunter utility stat that doesn't strictly improve killing power but helps you fight/kill/survive/win. Lifesteal is actual a utility stat as well since it doesn't strictly help you kill people/ads. Hopefully that clears that up. Silverbranch isn't terrible, but in my opinion other items are better. Honestly I can't think of a situation where I would take it over Atlantia bow. 10%+21% movement speed is amazing in all modes and all situations and is FAR more valuable to a hunter than 10 pen or 5% attack speed especially as the only REAL choice for bonus movement for hunters right now. 10 Pen just doesn't make a real difference in fights especially if you have a dedicated penetration item. In the worst possible case having 10 less pen means you have to land 1 additional auto. Most fights aren't so close that its determined by just one auto. But there are tons of situations where being even 10% faster than someone will determine if you kill them or survive.
@jrgv1
5 жыл бұрын
what if you did the crit build on jing wei and managed to trade out boots for Odysseus
@thedankdream8912
5 жыл бұрын
MAKE APOLLO META AGAIN
@rick2987
5 жыл бұрын
and a libra-morte, with 15% more damage in crits (is an a 30% addition, but 200% + 30% does 230%, which is an increment of 15%) isn t a better item than bloodforge or sais?
@rapsody230
5 жыл бұрын
qins is important to fight any frontliner/support that tries to screw with you, without it you will probably get stomped by their solo. Bloodforge is important for sustain and boxing potential, the passive is especially useful lategame.
@rick2987
5 жыл бұрын
@@rapsody230 yeah, i know, i love qin sais. but we are talking in brute DPS, aren t we? and a 15% more damage in crits and the 25% more crit chances (which reduces to a 10% in total by the 65% of chances with only rage and libramorte, but still is a chunk) are nearly a 30% more dps (your crit chances rise a 25%, giving you a 165% of final damage in promedium via crits instead of the 140% with only rage, whichi in comparison is a 17% more damage in basics (as you see i am not counting power here, but a 25 variation in autos damage of a 300, is only a reduction of roughtly an 8%, and with qin sais is even lower) and also you have the 15% more damage of crits with the pasive of deathbringer (30% of 200% is a 15% of 100%))
@rick2987
5 жыл бұрын
maybe qin sais attack speed can do something, but with that build you could reach the top attack speed with a lot of picks. And if we count a target over 2500 life qin sais shines. but we are talking a 2000 life 66 defense target
@rick2987
5 жыл бұрын
@@rapsody230 the best build in a real scenario would be the one in the video (i suppose, i didn t calculated it), but i want to know the more dps vs a not tanky character, and libramorte seems too strong with already 40% crit chance to forget it
@MrRomanrin
5 жыл бұрын
WHY DONT WE HAVE THYPE OF PEOPLE/CALCULATIONS ON L.O.L ?? lulz
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
Wait, I thought there were quite a few people on LoL that do calculations?
@impishcoconut572
5 жыл бұрын
Because my mouse would die due to all the clicking.
@Funky_
5 жыл бұрын
I was expecting something like voidshield
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
Void Shield is actually VERY good as well, it's not in the absolute highest DPS builds for most hunters but it's also not far off at all.
@darkice3267
5 жыл бұрын
What about Crit ?
@bardoftartarus
5 жыл бұрын
Should I prioritize Hastened or Silverbranch on Baka?🤔
@igohardyesme
5 жыл бұрын
Hastened
@bardoftartarus
5 жыл бұрын
@@igohardyesme that's what I thought but I always doubt myself, thanks tho
@tsohgallik
5 жыл бұрын
this build dont mean anything if the team is bad...
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
...that goe for any build, mate.
@reyes6220
5 жыл бұрын
warchi build
@mikecampau438
5 жыл бұрын
He might have but i dont think he took apollos dps spike when he has passive up
@iforeplay
5 жыл бұрын
Could I use this on Anhur??? He’s my favorite hunter and I usually go Trasendence on him first with hunter blessing. If I can’t use it on Anhur, what other hunters are viable
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely. You can check the reddit thread linked above to check for all hunters, but it's one of the best DPS builds for Anhur.
@Gridl3y
5 жыл бұрын
I was messing around in jungle practice with silverbranch the other day. Didn't realize it's base stats were so good after the buff. Wouldn't wind demon work in place of rage with the added power you'd get from the proc? Also move speed for chasing
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
If you prefer Wind Demon's passive, absolutely, not a big loss at all. Rage is just super DPS-efficient due to having up to 40% crit chance
@pyranna2003
5 жыл бұрын
I like how you guess that silverbranch will be nerfed.. Hirez: "Oh silverbranch bow is actually usefull now?! Quick nerf it!"
@DukeSloth
5 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it would be kinda warranted. Nerf the base stats but buff the passive so it actually does what its designed to do.
@dragontyron
5 жыл бұрын
_wack_
@beadyroe5751
5 жыл бұрын
Looks like some hella low dmg numbers to me lol
@vicith5823
5 жыл бұрын
But you have close to max attack speed so the DPS is hella high. Instead of being a "sniper rifle build" (Where you do big numbers very slowly) this is an "assault rifle build" (slightly smaller numbers but at a much higher and consistent rate)
@martinoganzerli6186
5 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about how exactly lifesteal works?
@enzimochi
5 жыл бұрын
Structures will melt *plague doctor izanami* Lovely!
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