HUUUUUGGE respect for this. Can't even imagine the time you must've invested for this video. Thanks a lot for the graphs and the thorough testing. Subscriber for life.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this feedback, it means a lot to me. A lot people have enjoyed this video, and that's great, but most people probably don't realize what it took to put it together. It was a lot of work not just to do the actual benchmarking, but also to do the preparation and planning, including polling my viewers, in order to make sure the results would be meaningful. Going through all of this and getting useless results would have been a major disappointment. Well, I guess it's up to my viewers to decide if it was useful or useless, but it sounds like you at least appreciated it!
@GSXone
3 жыл бұрын
I have noticed that when you have Multiple fans on the same PWM channel. You get harmonic resonance( sort of a rhythmic hum) from all the fans. However if you put each fan on its own PWM channel ( use a fan controller or individual headers on your motherboard) you don't get as much resonance even if the fans are all running at the same speed.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, maybe this was the issue! So many variables when you start really digging in! Thanks for the tip!
@crisnmaryfam7344
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru arctics are actually known to have a hum at only certain rpms'. Turn them up a tiny bit past that point, it vanishes, turn them down past that point the hum also vanishes. ITs just at the like 85% point or so that they do that. Cant remember what channel exactly figured this one out ill have to go back and look. They were testing these against the Noctuas.
@Sapphire200
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru I'm late, but Apple did make the fans on the big Mac Pro run at different speeds to avoid this noise
@losingmyfavoritegame8752
2 жыл бұрын
My Arctic F12s do that harmonic thing at very specific speeds as well!
@badmoose01
2 жыл бұрын
“Harmonic resonance” sounds like something from half-life
@effortlessbliss1051
3 жыл бұрын
This shouldn’t have dislikes..this guy goes over everything other reviewers skip and does it well
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm pretty sure no one else has tried testing this with as much detail as I did. Glad you appreciate it!
@itorapadas
2 жыл бұрын
What's surprising in this video- the basic fan configuration of one front/one rear and two front/one rear works remarkably well.
@TinMan445
Жыл бұрын
This needs more attention. Searching for an hour and lots of videos with nothing but opinions. Thank you for doing REAL testing and covering ALL the orientations. Great work
@bigbronx
3 жыл бұрын
Well, that 140mm performance was disappointing. I did not expect those results. I thought the bigger the fan the better from a noise normalized perspective. Boy I was wrong! I guess I will just buy more P12 fans haha. Great video as always sir. Thank you for taking the time to experiment with so many configurations!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
I was a bit disappointed too, but it doesn't mean they are bad fans. In the 3- and 4-fan configurations, they were actually better than the 120s. But putting 5 in the case just added a bit too much turbulence, which increased noise and may have disrupted airflow out of the chassis.
@xinzhaooo
3 жыл бұрын
the moment of truth that we've all been waiting for!!!
@SteveAkaDarktimes
3 жыл бұрын
the motherboard layout really wasnt made with big GPUs in mind. it messed with the airflow patterns since the 00`s, splitting the case in two.
@JT4GM4K3R
3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to address the off high pitched hum that comes from the P12 at 1000-1500 RPM. You can hear this in this video:kzitem.info/news/bejne/05hvuKhrgGOLn4Y Once the PWM value is in the range of 41-65 the pulsating resonance hum is noticeable, especially when in the specific resonance. They work very well as case fans at constant RPM. I'd just note the extra fan tuning, to avoid the humming RPM range, if they're being used on a Ryzen CPU cooler (which constantly spikes unless using RyzenMaster.) The same thing occurs with the P14 except lower frequencies.
@FromBKI
3 жыл бұрын
I have arctic freezer 34 esports duo as my cpu cooler,..the fans are p12 bionix, and they have the same hum resonant sounds,..very annoying btw
@CognizantCheddar
2 жыл бұрын
I use Skiron fans instead of Arctic for this reason. Their sound profile is consistent as they ramp up in RPMs. Downside is that their lifespan isn't as long as Arctics.
@TheNegativeDude
2 жыл бұрын
this is true. i have two p14s. one in front, one as rear exhaust. the hum starts around 1000 rpm so i keep them at 950 rpm constant. definitely not buying arctic fans anymore.
@CognizantCheddar
2 жыл бұрын
@Kachongui Kach I think its just the motor.
@TheNegativeDude
2 жыл бұрын
@Kachongui Kach Just keep them running at constant. my hum now starts at 900 rpm but disappears between 1000-1100. a couple of weeks ago, it started at 1000. lol
@tonybeckett66
3 жыл бұрын
I’m running Arctic P12 and P14’s in my case based on your previous reviews. Overall been satisfied with the performance.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
My recommendations stand - these are excellent fans. The fact that I was able to find some configurations where P12s outperformed P14s doesn't diminish the products in any way. I believe that in much bigger cases, the P14s might be warranted.
@Aleph-Noll
3 жыл бұрын
have you heard any harmonics from certain speeds? if anything i hear rubber mounts help isolate those vibrations
@Structureel
3 жыл бұрын
@@Aleph-Noll I was wondering this as well, seeing as the Arctic fans have no rubber mounts and just bolt straight to the chassis, this is a concern.
@LeoTelles
3 жыл бұрын
Did you find p12 quieter than p14 as he said?
@fabrb26
Жыл бұрын
@@LeoTelles Don't forget he was positioning the dB meter over the case and did say that you hear them the most , but if the case sit on the desk it could be a totally different story too.
@suberizedwrx
3 жыл бұрын
Loving your reviews! The data you present is greatly appreciated and helps in guiding PC builders in search of quality performance components. Thanks!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them, thanks for being a subscriber!
@happybipolarbear8715
3 жыл бұрын
Here's my prediction: Artic P14/P12 is the best value! Lol Thanks for another great video!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Your odds of winning were 100%, so yes indeed, we have a winner! ;)
@ollieh2587
3 жыл бұрын
Kind of contradicts with scythe 120mm fan 😁
@happybipolarbear8715
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru 100%? Anyway I can get those odds in Vegas? Lol
@happybipolarbear8715
3 жыл бұрын
@@ollieh2587 Hmm... good point, ok, the Artic will win in terms of best value! Nailed it.
@T4ish0
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru I bought 1x P14 and 3x P12 (a year ago), and only 2x P12 ended in my PC case, working perfectly, almost inaudible at 780RPM. The other ones went straight to electronic waste. Arctic quality control is abysmal. The price on them can be easily multiplied by 2. Half of them are expected to have fan screeching, motor vibration defects, or both. It's a pity that they seem to have so little competition. Noctua is expensive and its sound signature is a silent chainsaw.
@TheEthNick
3 жыл бұрын
Ok. Good to see the 120mm x 5 or 6 performing well as my new setup will resemble that. The latter proving a second top exhaust doesn’t interfere with front inflow. Appreciate the time you spent here 👍🏼.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that second top exhaust fan is something a lot of people thought would cause problems, but the tests prove otherwise.
@pf100andahalf
2 жыл бұрын
I've checked out lots of fan placement articles and videos, and this is the best info out there. This is a complicated issue to cover and you did it well. Also, I got lucky and don't have any resonance noises, only a "whooshing" sound as intended, and after tweaking the fan curves over time I've got everything perfect noise-wise. I actually found this video after I figured everything out for my use case, and everything you say is accurate, but I will keep it bookmarked for future use. Liked and subscribed.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Welcome!
@MrGamelover23
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuruimagine if you tested side panel mounting, apparently that makes a huge difference, but apparently we stopped doing that in consumer cases.
@GuyGamer1
2 жыл бұрын
After seeing that you got better GPU cooling with one front fan vs. two, I tried this out and got some different results. I got 2 degree lower GPU temps with 2 front and 1 rear fan than with 1 front and 1 rear fan, where you got two degree higher temps with the two front fans. All fan speeds were locked for this testing, I think the problem with your 2 front fan test here is that you've put the second fan in the top position, rather than the bottom one. In my testing, two fans in the middle and bottom positions improve cooling for both the GPU and CPU vs just one fan.
@tb0ne315
3 жыл бұрын
It's a good idea to flatten your fan curves in the normal operating range your workloads are going to see, that way you don't get this annoying noise of the fans ramping up and down in speed quickly and often.
@ManicQuinn
2 жыл бұрын
As much as I'd love to compliment your thorough tests, you missed an important detail in every single one, positive, negative and neutral pressure. This is an important detail in planning each fan setup but I noticed all you did was adding more fans. You could have also tried more setups that mixed both sizes like 2 140 intakes and 1 120 exhaust for positive pressure.
@wwm9000
2 жыл бұрын
This is an amazingly well-done video. It answered basically every question I had about fan setup and many others I'd never even considered. You get a like and subscribe -- thank you!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it - I did try to cover all the bases, including ones I hadn't seen asked (or answered) before!
@KleoYan
3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say again. Thank you for the awesome review and going to the extra mile to test these fans. Greatly appreciated as always.. By the way Happy New Year!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
This is a video I've been promising since the summer, so I worked overtime to get it in before the end of the year. It was a ton of work, but I learned a lot, and it sounds like you probably did too! Catch you in 2021!
@KleoYan
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru yup see you next year too. Best wishes to your family and friends too 👍
@frankcolumbo6465
3 жыл бұрын
I don't speak English, but I say: "This video is the best!"
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
I understood that, thanks!!!
@gavinbuck8130
3 жыл бұрын
Just a minor tip for those that are running a BQDX500 case or similar with 3 120mm fan in the front intake, take out all the unused pci/pcie tabs below the graphics card, this will improve the GPU temps a fair bit, I can feel the airflow coming out at the back at medium to high RPM. Plus, with the air being sucked in through the filter at the front, dust won't be an issue.
@maozedowner5915
2 жыл бұрын
Put an aerofoil just beneath your GPU to direct air that was exiting out pci slots upwards.
@Shrek765
2 жыл бұрын
Here is a thought! If the GPU Likes the fresh air and there is room like that case to put an Exhaust mini fan so it can pull th air across the GPU and out the back???
@pedrosoares7273
3 жыл бұрын
Turbulence with many fans is also something I run into on my 5 fan case and different directions. It's a non constant sound.
@NGreedia
Жыл бұрын
Wondering what your opinion is on the Arctic F series for airflow? I've seen other channels review both and claim that the F series (F12, F14) are better suited for situations where there is minimal impedance. I have an F12 and even though it runs at a lower RPM vs the P12, I can feel more air when I point it towards me. P12 seems better suited for radiators, heatsinks and cases where there is a lot of air restriction
@shredman59
3 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. I can't believe you don't have more subscribers!!! I appreciate all your efforts TBG! Keep it up.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe this will be the vid that puts me over the top! I'm glad you like it, and I'm pretty proud of how much work (and thought) I put into this. I wanted it to go beyond what's been done before.
@htat1guy
2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful for my first build since I actually grabbed the 5 pack of the arctic 140's for the price to performance value. One caveat, I went with the Phanteks p500a non-rgb case so there is actually room for me to put three 140's in the front and get that airflow beneath the gpu. I have an arctic liquid freezer II 360 AIO as well so I'm excited to see how removing the air cooler from the flow path affects temperatures. Gonna set them up in a 3 front, 1 back plus AIO top exhaust configuration to see how it goes. And I'm praying the increased case size doesn't bite me with the longer distance to the components like you mentioned 😟 I'll post results when the parts get here.
@maozedowner5915
2 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting
@htat1guy
2 жыл бұрын
@@maozedowner5915 So as it turns out, I'm an idiot with almost no idea what I'm doing. And the results show this. My cpu is an i9-12900kf running at 4.9Ghz. Cinebench r20 was too hard to find, so I went with r23. After a 5 minute loop, I got a max temp one one core of 87° and an average max temp of about 79.5° on Core Temp 1.17.1(that incredibly high temp told me I might be doing it wrong) For the GPU(3080 FTW3 ULTRA) I ran the time spy test while following it with task manager and although my gpu load hit max, the temp never went above 53°(this confirmed I was doing it wrong.) It's disappointing, but I don't think my findings will be of any help to anyone. Sorry.
@maozedowner5915
2 жыл бұрын
@@htat1guy Yeah... no comparison point whatsoever, it's not gonna help.
@moderatorworld7739
2 жыл бұрын
Hi friend, thanks for the precious time you spent, I have the same case and both Arctic P12 PWM and Noctua NF-A 12x25 PWM, it is clear that every computer, case and fan will make a difference, every case is unique, I have put 3 Arctic P12 in front (away from the filter) and 3 Noctua NF-A 12x25 1 rear and 2 top, the noise is almost absent at low speed but if I increase the Noctua are heard, previously I put Noctua in front (near to the filter) and Arctic rear and top, the noise is also absent in this case at low speed, but if I increase, the Noctua are heard! then I did another test with the Noctua (away from the filter) and I get an annoying resonance noise from the bearing, it is really difficult to find the right compromise between performance and noise but I want to say that the Noctua even if they are noisier, they blow more air than the Arctic and the temperatures drop by 2/3 degrees, the Arctic P12 are nice and very quiet but do not blow much air, certainly the biggest problems occur in summer and with these hot temperatures, if the room is not air-conditioned you have to increase the speed and bear the noise, this is the only solution with any computer, case, fan etc ... if the room is air conditioned then you can also run all the fans at 1000 rpm in idle and get a nice fresh computer!
@WSS_the_OG
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe what a great and thorough test and analysis you did on this content. I think you answered any question anyone could possibly have about fan sizes, RPM, configuration, direction of flow (and various combinations). Most surprising to me was how detrimental having the top fans as rear exhaust, front intake, to cooling; I thought at worst it would be about the same as having no fan there, but that was completely wrong. This goes to show the importance of deliberate, scientific, testing before reaching conclusions. Thanks for this!
@itzan7513
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Tho I wonder if not being able to use 3x140MM fans in the front didn't skew most of the 140mm results due to not enough air intake causing the exhaust fans to "pull" air from wherever and raising the temps. Would be interesting to see if a bottom mounted fan(right under the gpu) like old cases used to have wouldn't improve GPU thermals by a bit.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
I think there's a big opportunity here for case manufacturers to change their designs to allow for bottom-mounted fans. The PSU shroud has improved the look of PCs, but not necessarily the performance. My biggest wish is that more manufacturers start rotating their PSU placement like the unusual Cooler Master SL600M - amzn.to/3n0f8fj It puts the PSU in the front and allows unobstructed bottom-to-top airflow. This is perfect for GPUs, although for CPUs it may require liquid cooling for optimal performance.
@qT_p13
3 жыл бұрын
When i had my fx8300 system i ran 2 120s front and 2 top 120s, all as intake with the only exhaust at the rear, as well as a gpu with a blower cooler and my psu "uspide down" for more exhaust potential. Was great setup for cpu, vrm and oc'ing - basically the only thing that system was good for. I really love your fan content. I thought 4 140s would take it over the 6 120s because of the lower speed. Good stuff as always.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
If you look closely at the dBA-normalized 3DMark graph for the extreme setups, you'll see that the 4x140s were excellent for CPU temps, but not quite as good for GPU temps. I suspect that if I had lowered the bottom fan below the level of the PSU shroud, the temps would have (counter-intuitively) been better for the GPU.
@NewYears1978
3 жыл бұрын
Finally a video that actually helped me with real world direct comparisons using the same fans instead of widely different fans. Therefore the test is actually meaningful. I am going to change mine to the 3 front 1 rear 1 top and see if it helps my temps. They are not horrible but my idle temps are a little high (3900X and 2080 Super, CPU Idling at like 40-50 and GPU around 60 - which is probably acceptable anyway..but still want to have the best setup) These fans are super cheap are they really that good? Most people are going to recommend some $30 ea fans (Noctua etc) so am concerned about buying cheap fans?
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Most people haven't watched my videos, so they don't know anything about what they are recommending! Are Arctic's good? See this video: kzitem.info/news/bejne/sYua2Yifi5-mqIo If you decide to get them, here's the link to the 5-pack: amzn.to/3APDGQ5 By the way, your high idle temps are not a reason to buy any case fans at all. Idle temps are driven entirely by the fans on the coolers and the settings you are using. I recommending using a manual fan profile on your 2080 Super so that it's NEVER at zero RPM. While that's a popular fad, it's not actually very good for anything, including maintaining idle temps, because any modern GPU will slowly climb up in temps until it requires the fans to toggle on and off, which is more annoying than leaving them on. In terms of your 3900X, idle temps are always going to be that high due to background tasks and the density of the chip. It's the CPU I bench with. To learn how it idles with high-end 360mm liquid coolers, see this video: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qIKX0Jljbnx3l2k
@User100mil
3 жыл бұрын
just order Arctic p12 & P14 for my Lian li Lancooler mesh 2, excited! :)
@ElsinoreRacer
3 жыл бұрын
I have the Mesh 2 Performance. Got the 5-pack of Arctic 120s and 140s. Replaced back fan and CPU air cooler fan with the 120s. Daisy chained 3 140s at the front (can be done, the middle one is stacked behind the bracket and the top and bottom in front of it. I think I had to turn the bracket around, which is an intended config). Set at Auto it runs very very cool regardless and is silent.It's win-win all the way.
@trevorbrent5092
3 жыл бұрын
@@ElsinoreRacer What were your temps before you changed fans? I have the RGB version with 3 120's in front, 2 under gpu and one exhaust.
@brocks13
3 жыл бұрын
@@ElsinoreRacer Have you noticed any resonance issues? I have the p12s installed in the exact same case and noticed a bunch of resonance issues across almost the entire rpm range. This has made leaving them on auto nearly impossible since the low noise levels are ruined by the high pitched sound of the resonant frequencies when the fans ramp up and down.
@GR-cd2kx
3 жыл бұрын
Really great stuff Ari and thank you for your diligence! We need to get you more viewers. If you only had one fan, where would you put it?
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, hopefully this video will pick up a nice amount of views, because similar videos from big KZitemrs scored like half a million, and I definitely took the testing a step further!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
As for one fan... well, I'd buy another, LOL! But honestly, depends if I cared about CPU and GPU thermals. I'd put it right below the GPU in the front of the case if the GPU was my priority, and I'd use it as an exhaust in the rear if the CPU was my priority. But then again, I haven't tested this.... and probably never will!
@CryptoJordanVR
3 жыл бұрын
Like I said in the comment section of the previous video another thing to consider is having static pressure optimized fans as intake and air flow optimized fans as exhaust.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
That is an interesting concept. Perhaps something for me (or someone else) to test in the future! My hunch is that airflow fans are never as effective as people might imagine, because there are very few applications in a case that have low resistance. Exhausts are actually fairly high resistance due to the grilles they must push through.
@glennpatrickdomingo584
2 жыл бұрын
kinda curious sir, if the front of the case is a grille with magnetic dust filter, which type of fan should you use? air flow fan or static pressure fan?
@DivergentDroid
3 жыл бұрын
I leaned something about case design. I normally run around 36 C according to HWMonitor. I pulled the front of my pc off to discover a huge hole on top of the one fan that the case uses in the front. (hole was there to add a fan) I reasoned this cannot be good so I sealed up the hole and got 2 degrees cooler consistently now that the one fan isn't pulling hot air from inside the case. I thought o.k. I can do better than this. I had an old fan I pulled out of an old pc installed it even though it was a smaller fan, sealed up the edges again and now I'm getting a consistent 32 C at idle instead of 36 C. Moral of this story, always seal up any holes your front fan may use to pull warm air inside the case from and add more air intake if you can.
@mayssm
2 жыл бұрын
Really shocked the 140s were louder. I thought the purpose of big fans were they could turn slower and produce less noise.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
2 жыл бұрын
It comes down to what big fans actually accomplish. Do they move more air at the same noise level? Yes. Does that air reach components that need to be cooled better than air from 120mm fans? Not necessarily, and in some situations, definitely no.
@justinblalock3204
2 жыл бұрын
Arctic fans are solid budget fans, and the 5-pack is a wonderful value. As an alternative, I recommend MetallicGear Skiron fans, whenever you can find them for a good budget price. They're made by Phantek. These fans are a slightly better 9-blade design for airflow compared to Arctics, but more importantly, the Skirons are close to the cheapest case fans you can which include rubber mounts to reduce vibration noise. Decent quality rifle-bearings, slightly improved on the ball-bearings in Arctic fans. Arctics have a cooler motor, however, which increases their lifespan over the Skirons.
@SylvainDuford
3 жыл бұрын
When thinking about multiple fan setups in a case, it's useful to think more in terms of pressure than airflow. An intake fan generates a high-pressure zone, while an exhaust fan generates a low-pressure zone. Air always moves from high-pressure areas to low-pressure areas.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
That is a very good point. But air doesn't always move from high pressure to low pressure, it has to have a pathway to do so. So putting a high pressure fan in the wrong place means low airflow, and hence poor cooling efficiency.
@outlaw6313
3 жыл бұрын
Just ordered a box of P14s last week, 5 for the half the price of one Noctua 12x25... just to test them. At 600-700rpm they are super silent and have a very pleasant sound, while moving relatively large amounts of air, certainly enough to keep everything cool. Between 700-1100, they create some slightly annoying turbulent sound, which stops at 1200rpm... here they have a louder, but pleasant sound again. Therefore, I recommend them for either silent or maximum performance builds. Still waiting for Toughfan availability in Europe... only the 140mm version is available and I am not sure about those yet.
@ppeez
7 күн бұрын
I hope i can get a useful response. I am currently running an O11D XL with bottom and side intake (6x120mm) top exhaust (push pull Radiator 6x120mm) and 1x exhaust back 1x120mm. Now my fans are iCue LL120s and a while ago some of the LEDs have burned out. Its past warranty and i know its a manufacturing issue. So i was thinking of doing a new setup, originally i wanted Lian Li Uni Fans. So now the option presents itself to build in the Lian Li O11D Evo XL, which supports 9 140mm fans and 2 120mm fans. So i could even do push pull radiator top with 6 140s and generally just do the exact same setup, just replacing all fans with 140s and adding another 120 exhaust in the back. I am now unsure though if i would gain any temperature reduction/benefits at all through this setup.
@brig7155
3 жыл бұрын
I'm using three P14 and two P8 Arctics in a 4U rack for my PC with a U9S. Also deshrouded my GPU and added two F12 and also changed the PSU fan to an F12 that was laying around from my old case. I'm very happy with it.
@jirihubacek6446
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing in-depth analysis! I'm currently playing with a setup for Meshify 2 Compact which supports F: 3x120/2x140, R: 1x120, T:2x120/2x140. Based on your results I'd go with 6 fans setup but I'm not sure what size would be better for the top fans. Would you go with 120- or 140-mm fans? I'm using Scythe Kaze Flex with separate PWM control for intake and exhaust fans to optimise case pressure.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
2 жыл бұрын
If go with 140mm for exhaust where airflow, not direction or focus, matter.
@manzenshaaegis8783
3 жыл бұрын
Tons of work going into these videos amazing stuff and interesting info to have as a case building enthusiast. Everyone is a critic until they have to do the work, so don't let the negativity drown out your work!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate the supportive words. This was one of the most time-consuming videos I've ever made!
@jjiiaoxie8825
3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe only 1k like
@dcngn_
3 жыл бұрын
I've watched lots of videos, especially your round ups, but unfortunately didn't come across this one. I was gonna buy exactly this case in the future and prepared by buying 3x the P14 PWM for 10 EUR each. I thought they would be PERFECT for a silent Airflow based PC using the 500DX, but right now they're inside my Fractal define R3 and create different kinds of annoying noises, when they are attached to the case, especially as intakes. So I run them at 300 RPM. Minimal airflow. Even then they sound bad. Neither my 10 year old 120mm stock fan, nor the 10 year old 135mm fan I took out of an old be quiet PSU have this problem. Do you think the new case one day would solve this issue?
@Quantumfluxfield
Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate this but I'm really missing 1 or 2 fans in the bottom as intake, both cases with a shroud and especially without as you can feed cool air straight to the gpu, though having an extra fan directly below and infront of the 2/3 intake fans could be negative I think.
@viel.anthony
23 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. I'm curious on your take on this: My case (fractal north) comes with two 140s. My cooler (ls520se) comes with two 120s. I wanted two top and one rear exhaust with a specific ring led so I got a triple pack of light wings 120s. The question is: do I keep the front two 140s, or use the cooler 120s in the front and purchase a third 120 as front intake, making it 6x120. Or would 2x 140 intake + 3x 120 exhaust be just as good? Thanks! Playing mostly games with a 4070ti super.
@pbfamous07
3 жыл бұрын
bloody fantastic video mate. been planning my fan setup for a week now, and this video just solidified everything i was planning on doing. thankyou sir
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks and good luck with your project!
@iyadkamhiyeh527
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, I was looking for someone who tests flipping the top front fan and turning it to an intake fan
@dfgbr6
2 жыл бұрын
My build is pure base 500dx . On front i have z73 nzxt water cool. On Top 2 fans 140mm as exhaust and rear fan 140mm as exhaust. I am waiting now for noctua's new generation fans to change my aio fans and one of the top fan Thank you so much for the review . Very informative. 🙏 .
@TheAzureSky1
4 ай бұрын
Hey, much respect for this video. Must've taken a lot of time. Sad to see you stopped making videos a year ago. Hope things are well.
@henryd4331
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work! I’ve worked with dozens of cases and even more fans over the years. I did carry out my own measurements of temp, noise and vibration and despite occasional variations I can only concur with you. Your conclusions are spot on. Well done !
@TheTechBuyersGuru
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@itsyoboig3325
2 жыл бұрын
So I have a 3080 and I should get a case with 3x 140mm fans 2 on top and one near and then 3x 120mm front panel ??? Or am I wrong
@itsyoboig3325
2 жыл бұрын
Or have all 6 with 120mm fans
@TheTechBuyersGuru
2 жыл бұрын
Your first option.
@terence4705
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this awesome video! I have the same Pure Base 500DX case with a front-mounted 240mm AIO Radiator. What fan combo would you recommend if I have the Arctic P12 5-pack and the stock Pure Wings 140mm fans? Would 3X Arctic P12 in the front, 2X Arctic P12 on top, 1X Pure Wings 140mm in the Rear be best?
@King-sj7no
3 жыл бұрын
I will put 3x P12 front , 2x P14 top and 1x P14 Rear on my Corsair Carbide Air 540!
@xiaotianwang5282
3 жыл бұрын
top as exhaust?,right?
@mleise8292
3 жыл бұрын
I had the same result with my single 140mm intake fan: the lowest position is most beneficial to the GPU. My case doesn't have any grate above the PSU and as I was thinking about the turbulence occurring when the air hits the back of the PSU, I placed a makeshift curved ramp out of cardboard leading up from the bottom of the case to the level of the PSU. That shaved off another 1.5°C of the GPU temps. By the way, my rear fan is an intake (at 300 rpm) and I only have one exhaust fan in the top; CPU air flow is reversed. That was the optimal solution for a CPU tower cooler (at moderate rpm) and an open "blow through" GPU (Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56). Otherwise the CPU cooler was sucking in that hot air from the GPU.
@vyrgozunqk
3 ай бұрын
I bought 3x Arctic F14 BioniX for the front panel, they start resonating in my case between 680-950 RPM. The humming is driving me nuts. So i've forced them to work at 645, sadly I don't dare making fan curve due to the nasty resonance.
@michaelthompson9798
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a very interesting 🤔 review video. I usually have a 2 intake fans and exhaust fans 1 rear and 1 top (all 140mm fans) for my tax builds. However, now I’m using mini ITX setups, a dual intake and 1 or 2 exhaust (120mm setup fans) setup I find worlds better in these. Love the video. Keep up the great work 🎄🎄🥳🥳🥰🤯.
@darkbooger
5 ай бұрын
I recently became curious about how 120s stack up against 140s after my Montech Air Base came with 3 140mm fans when I already had 6 120mm Bequiet silent wings (3 of them being light wings). I was told that 140mm fans were "better" than my 120mm fans, but I wanted to see for myself which eventually led me here as not a lot of people do these kinds of tests for fans. Your testing so far seems the best since you only have 1 manipulated variable (the fans) while everything else including the ambient room temperature remains consistent. I honestly cannot thank you enough for what was likely several hours of work testing all of these configurations.
@SuperNapolitanka
3 жыл бұрын
This is the most thorough video i have ever seen about fans placements. I have that Arctic P12 PWM PST 5-Pack, very happy about it.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed this video. It took about 2 weeks to produce. That's why you won't see it many other places.
@nakamastore4040
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this awesome video! I have exactly the same case (black version) and fans (arctic value pack, 140mm), and I was lost with all the possibilities. You answered my questions, keep up the good job.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help! I can't test every possible combo of components, but luckily I tested yours!
@nakamastore4040
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Yes you tested even something I was willing to try (top intake). Now I have a question, how were you able to install the 140 tops fans? The cpu power cable gets in the way, was it the same for you? I tried to push a little but was too afraid to damage it.
@vd7729
Жыл бұрын
The effect of ambient temp on the output temp of any system shows erratic behaviour the ambient temp is above a certain temp for that system. Jet Engines - There is a dramatic drop in turbine output when ambient temp crosses 10-15 deg C. The graph inverted V. The tip of inverted V is that 10 - 15 deg. Direct sea water cooling systems - some what linear upto 20 deg but follows a parbolic rise in the out temp above 20 deg. HVAC - Similar to sea water linear to parabolic rise above 22 deg. Similarly, my PC output temps are not linear corresponding to the input temps(ambient temp) e.g. input ambient temp 20: CPU GPU -70 (Base) input ambient temp 24: CPU GPU -75 (4 deg & 5 deg) Input ambient temp 28: CPU GPU -85 (4 deg & 10 deg The air cooling in PC independent of the configuration of the fans will be different once the temps are above 22-24 deg. Always keep the room temp/ambient temp 22 or below, above which system will struggle and will either require to increase cooling by increasing fan rpm or by throttling clock speeds. I use 2 Noctua 140 mms NF A14 industrial ppc 3000 as front intake. ( One at top directing towards CPU n other at bottom directing the GPU) 3 Noctua as top exhaust NF F12 IND ppc 3000 1 Noctua as rear exhaust NF F12 ppc 3000 Set all the fans to run at full rpm only above 75 else around 70%. I replaced all the top and rear NF F12 with Artic P12 and I am a happy man. 3 Artic P 12 on top as
@the_krypton1te
27 күн бұрын
Warm Air always rises, so it will be more helpful if you put Top Fans to suck air out.
@altonb93
10 ай бұрын
The P12's are the best value fans out there. I got a 5 pack of regular p12's and a 3 pack of the p12 slims. i didnt swap out my push fans on my radiator but i have the slims in a pull config and the push fans(they are ROG fans that came with the aio) are considerably noisier than all of the p12's even when all of the p12's are at max speed. The 3080 fans though are loud lol but i was able to lower those fan speeds when i added these fans.
@bricemcmillan9284
8 ай бұрын
The problem with testing the 140mm fans in this case, is the mounting for the 120mm fans which block the airflow and create turbulence and noise. I take a Dremel to my cases to open up the airflow and install the biggest fans possible.
@I_Crit_My_Pants
11 ай бұрын
Don't spose you have a video with 3 140mm in the front, 3 in the top, and 1 in the back with the 3 front as intake, top front as intake and the middle and rear top fans + rear fan as exhausts? Chassis size points have changed a bit with the size things like GPUs are getting lol...
@linndoria
Жыл бұрын
Seeing that this video is a few years old now maybe someone (TBG, Arctic, someone else) will be able to answer this. Can I connect a P12 PWM PST 0dB ARGB fan with a few Arctic F14 PWM PST case fans (for front intake)?
@cube6687
2 жыл бұрын
Hello I hope you can see this.I have phanteks400a and i can fit 2x140mm/3x120mm on front. 2x140mm/2x 120mm n top and 1x120mm on rear. should i have msi prob660m-a ddr4, and gtx 3070. what fans should i get?😭
@tylerblackburn6265
Жыл бұрын
this test was very interesting for me, but I couldn't figure out which configuration to choose. I have a poorly ventilated deepcool macube 110 case and there really isn't enough air in it. I was thinking of installing 140x2 front, 140x2 top and 120 rear, but now I'm not sure. this case is small and the installation of three fans in the front does not matter, since the lowest one will only blow on the hdd (I don’t have under gpu ventilation, there is 5 centimeters of space and that’s it). then what should I choose? I want as quiet a computer as possible. 140x2 front and top, 120 rear OR 120x2 front, 120x2 top and 120 rear? rtx 3060(2 fans) and i3 12100. i can't find the answer :( this case has very low airflow so i'm considering arctic P and F series. * the advice to isolate the lower 120mm fans so that air gets to the hdd and then to the gpu is not possible in my case, because there is a solid sheet of metal under the gpu. no ventilation in this place.
@oblivionghost28
2 жыл бұрын
How about 9 fans in a cooler master H500P case. I have 2 200mm thermaltake, 3 120mm Corsair behind the 2 200mm. 3 thermaltake 120mm on top, and 1 140mm Corsair in the back. This believe it or not, is just as effective as liquid cooling. I'll make a video on it sometime and show you guys how it's done.
@dedalus389
3 жыл бұрын
Great review as always. I turn to air cooler. This helps me big time. I bought NH-U12S and another NF f12 chromax fan for the cooler Because of your reviews. In your comparison, the single fan version was two degrees higher than the freezer. I think it could be a little better with the extra fan What do you think. These results really surprised me, I thought I could get better results with only one fan with top Cause I thought the two fans can blow the cool air before it reaches the CPU.By the way, you deserve 1 million followers.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for the kind wishes, 1 million is a long way off, but maybe 100,000 someday in the near future! Yes, the extra fan will help, making the U12S more like the Freezer 34 Duo. Many people believed that the top fan is not good, but it turns out to be very effective for GPU temps. Testing that showed otherwise likely only looked at CPU temps, which actually could be negatively affected.
@mrjafs4616
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru so 3 front intake 2 exhaust top and 1 rear exhaust?
@acloudonthebluestsky9687
Жыл бұрын
what setup do u recommend for chassis that have have front PSU like ASUS Prime AP201 MicroATX case?
@Ivlodded
4 ай бұрын
psus shouldnt get excluded from the work all the other fans perform. They should be at the top acting as an additional exhaust.
@Zombie101
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. What if you did 3x120 front 3x120 top 2x120 bottom 1x120 rear? Im running 3x120 front 1x200 top 1x120 rear
@wardeadfr
3 жыл бұрын
great content, as always :) thanks for your work
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for participating!
@blakef553
Жыл бұрын
The odd harmonic resonance you describe is easily explained. Bear with me here. Multi engine aircraft with propellers will have a throttle power setting, obviously, but also a prop speed which can be controlled by individually controlling the feather or pitch of each propeller independently. During cruise flight the pilots are able to engage a "prop sync" button on some aircraft which will automatically feather and change the pitch of each propeller slightly to spin at the exact same speed as the other for a given power setting. If they don't, they will experience an annoying harmonic vibration or resonance. If you have three intake fans, chances are they are spinning at slightly different speeds, thus creating the annoying harmonic vibration. Note to Motherboard manufacturers: add a "fan speed syc" feature to your BIOS. Problem solved. This is assuming each fan has a direct connection to the motherboard. If they are daisy chained to the same header, you are SOL.
@vunguyen8913
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for content. I have plan with 6 fan (ml120 corsair) with case 4000d airflow with corsair hub commander pro and noctua nh-12a, i think setup fan: 3 front (intake) 2 top and 1 rear (exhaust). Do u think my idea plan fan setup for intake or exhaust and your idea with u have? Tks
@lancealex382
24 күн бұрын
Very hepful thanks, enjoyed a few of your videos latey!
@rdb1
2 жыл бұрын
Would really appreciate it if you did a comparison of the ARGB Arctic P12's. They seem to have worse specs on paper, would love to see how to show up in real life use
@TheTechBuyersGuru
2 жыл бұрын
Tested on radiator here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/wp2l0IKAnpalhW0 They are better based on my benchmarks and noise analysis.
@javierperea8967
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I would like to see a video where you analysed the RPM sweet spot for a fan (140mm and 120mm). So fat I have set my fans at the lower speed possible, but I would like to know how much gain I would have if I speed up my fans. It would also love to check the difference performance between Artctics P14/P12 and F14/F12. In theory flow fans should be better as fan cases. Thank you!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
This test would be extremely fan specific. Whatever I found for one fan model would be different than it would be for another model, and more importantly, it would change a lot based on how many fans are in the system. I think I've done about as much as I'm going to do on this topic in the video you watched here. As for the P12 vs. F12, I've tested this already. The P12 is a much better fan for everything. Airflow metrics in specs are meaningless, as it turns out. You can learn more here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/uHilsq15aaaEd4Y
@javierperea8967
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru thank you :-)
@javierperea8967
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I have just found a nice video I would like to share with you. Looking at the graphics it looks like the sweet spot for fans are between 50% and 60% for most fans. The noise it stays the same till reaching the 50% mark. kzitem.info/news/bejne/06xnuW2IoXNzlG0
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
There is a problem with his methodology. He is testing in a simplified system where the CPU cooler does not have a fan. He's basically using the case fan as a CPU cooler fan. It would be MUCH more complicated to actually test this correctly, where multiple case fans are installed and the CPU cooler has its own fan.
@markotto1767
3 жыл бұрын
really great tests !! Very useful. i was worried about the choice of the 2 front fans that i have. i put them in the lower side of the front panel also if there's half air flow to the power supply. All of this to have 2 cold fans intake in the front and one fan in the rear panel plus 2 fans of aio on the top. I got very good temps. air should run from the front bottom to the rear top of the case.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you have a great setup!
@rwhite9994
Жыл бұрын
Three fans in front and then 3 fans up top drawing out is useless, as they pull too much air away from the front and straight up and out the top. Put a fan on the bottom throwing fresh air into the GPU card. If you have solid case, cut it out and throw some screen on it, giving you access to bottom case and fresh air going up. Oh great video, great work. Thumbs up and subd.
@MartilloB
11 ай бұрын
Any experience with 5x 140 mm fans, 3x front intake, 1 rear exhaust, and 1 top exhaust?
@CHEFZOOT
3 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic channel! Really enjoying your videos and look forward to seeing you become the next LTT
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@MrCshx
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome review. You Helped a lot. Really good work here.
@marcosad2
2 жыл бұрын
Your thoughts on this proposed set up: 3 T30 intake 3 Be Quiet Silent Wings Pro 4 exhaust (2 top and 1 rear)
@yoyigu
Жыл бұрын
I need 3 140 fans on front and 1 on the rear for my asus helios, and that they have good airflow, without argb. what other option could it be?
@pdp83
3 жыл бұрын
I really like in depth comparisons with case fans. I've watched previous videos and you really cover the issues that bug a person like myself who cannot stand noise issues caused by case fans. I've experience harmonic resonance issues with noctua that are not going to show up on a "decibel meter", but I would rather have high decibels than to hear that awful sound. I don't know how anyone can work next to a machine noises like that all day. The cons of having good hearing I guess. You also make a great point to control the RPMs of the fans to get the right amount of airflow where your specific case isn't making groaning noises.
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could provide some useful insights! Fan performance is incredibly complex, which might be why you don't see many other KZitemrs trying to tackle it! I definitely can't cover it all, but I try to give people something to think about beyond specs on a website, which is how most people have bought fans for decades.
@meet2863
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I have an meshify 2 XL, which fans would you suggest for the case, it will be running a 5900x on a deepcool assassin 3 aircooler. Will 4 120s in front perform better than 3 140?
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
3x140. If you actually look at the layout of that case, you'll see that mounting 4x120 fans will put half of the top fan and half of the bottom fan out of range of any components. That huge space is for 480mm radiators, not 4x120 fans.
@MM-ho7kb
Жыл бұрын
Truth is that each of us have to test each case and build we make. In my case the rear exhaust fan its negative, only one degree but better to not let it run.
@johnvincentzubia4685
3 жыл бұрын
I looking for this because I just bought Arctic p12 value pack.
@inflamesc
2 жыл бұрын
Wooow man, such a detailed guide, i was looking fot 500dx fan guide. This is very on point. I became sub because of this detailed guide just to support you
@TheTechBuyersGuru
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@rawmilkmike
2 жыл бұрын
It's possable fans shouldn't run at the same speed. Or if they do it should be exactly the same. From a twin engine pilot.
@zemekiel
Жыл бұрын
Results would probably be different if you use an AIO with the rad mounted at the top?
@conangoinham
3 жыл бұрын
killer Vid. Linus Tech Tips made a similar one but didn't discuss the ins and outs of exhaust vs intake fans in the top, or the interplay between 120mm and 140mm fan types. I bought a case that unfortunately didn't allow for top mounting of a AIO pump bc of space limitations (it bumps against the mobo / ram) so this vid is a rescue of sorts. Thanks for helping me rethink my cooling design!!
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help - I put a lot of planning into this video to try to make it as useful as possible, although there's always more to explore!
@newsmansuper2925
2 жыл бұрын
no bottom inlet fans????? on this case I would have thought they are the most important
@margenov
3 жыл бұрын
I've been runnning 6 P14 PWMs on my case in the setup you had in the 120mm video ( my case is P600s ), pretty sure it's the best setup with these specific fans. I've also seen some turbulence at around 70-75% fan speed.
@hopey1809
3 жыл бұрын
Wow I got the very same result! I own the P600s (best case ever) and had the P12s in it first. After changing to the P14s the entire system got even quieter than before. I mean not noticeable quiet!
@SkandsKvist
3 жыл бұрын
This was well done and very thorough. I do think, that you missed one test, that a lot of viewers would have liked (or at least me). When buying the "be quiet! Pure Base 500DX" you get three "Pure Wings 2 140mm"-fans. I would like to know the best configuration using these three fans in conjunction with a 280mm AIO and a big air cooler like "be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4". As a bonus info you could give your opinion on whether it makes sense to upgrade to other fans or get three more fans to fill out all the available slots. I know that this was not a test of a specific case or a specific fan but more a test of the placement of the fans
@TheTechBuyersGuru
3 жыл бұрын
See my previous videos. Already covered all of that. 500DX review: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zJ2s02mQjXOTeYY Best 140mm case fan shootout: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zJ2s02mQjXOTeYY
@SkandsKvist
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Hi. Thanks for the content and the quick reply. I looked at your videos, and I must have missed the pure wings 2 in the shootout since it is only in 2 out of 5 graphs. You mention the pure wings costs 20 dollars, but that is not the case in the EU. Pure wings 2 are 72 dkkr Kaze flex 140mm is 202 dkkr (only RGB exists in 140 mm) Artic P14 is 61 dkkr (43 dkkr pr. fan in five pack) Noiseblocker B14 is 219 dkkr. How would you place the three pure wings 2 fans together with a 240-280mm radiator (on top like your other video suggests?)Does it depend on whether the GPU is blower/open air? Would the configuration change with an air cooler on the CPU? What kind of system build would prompt you to replace the pure wings 2 to more effective fans or increase the fan count? Have you tested silent wings 3 and shadow wings 2 from be quiet?
@SkandsKvist
3 жыл бұрын
I mean the 140mm variant of all the fans
@gregcamacho5857
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking your time to produce well information. I am better at PC building because of you. Thank you
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