The writer's idea of a "smart person" is really telling of how they think a smart person is. this just shows that not a single person in the writing room knows what a smart person is or is one.
@helix33933
16 күн бұрын
So smart people can't be egotistical?
@rodetranx8802
10 күн бұрын
@@helix33933 you missed my point
@helix33933
9 күн бұрын
@@rodetranx8802 I think I get your point: A long winded "writers dumb" rant. I am asking you, how did they portray a smart person wrong?
@rodetranx8802
2 күн бұрын
@@helix33933 einstein never claimed that he was a smart or a genius person, but rather he showed the world that he is actually smart by discovering actual science, unlike the show where she kept on saying "im the smartest person in the world" rather than make her do actual smart things or whatever.
@sababugs1125
Ай бұрын
The big issue i have is that this show treats the right wing as if it was the establishment and the left wing as if it was rebellion In reality the right doesn't really have that much power
@lizanya6433
Ай бұрын
“the right doesn’t have that much power” donald trump is a felon and the supreme court changed the law to make it so that the president can’t be prosecuted for their crime if it happened while they were in office. the right is so powerful they made a felon president and made him above the law. conservative values are the establishment. they rely on things like traditional gender norms, white supremacy, misogyny, etc., all of which are things that have been in place since the dawn of time. and these are also the systems that are still in place to enforce mass incarceration on black people, use prisoners as slaves, push forward anti-lgbtq legislation, take away women’s rights to abortion, etc. i don’t mean to argue that the left isn’t all pure and good either cause at the end of the day, a lot of democratic politicians are still capitalist but they change their pfp to a pride flag every june. saying the right’s values aren’t the status quo or that it has no power is extremely incorrect
@AlexandreHernandezvaldez
Ай бұрын
Bruh literally it's stronger than the left
@GUNROCKS1990
Ай бұрын
Sound about right answer.
@gristlelollygag
Ай бұрын
They always truly believe that's the case
@guillesuperior
Ай бұрын
They do, just not in the media
@austincage581
Ай бұрын
They confirmed homelander was trump in like season 1
@SantiagoLoza-ey8rm
Ай бұрын
Fr conservatives are another level of stupid
@colindowden2182
Ай бұрын
Which is a stupid comparison since they're nothing alike besides being blonde.
@c4risto
Ай бұрын
@@colindowden2182 They're both narcists with the need for love, who lie to the public to get what they want, and suffer pretty much no consequences while doing so, and that's just the surface level stuff. There's also the fact that many trump quotes have been added to Homelander's character, in fact is has been done so much that Anthony Starr himself has asked the writers many times to stop including so many trump quotes because "not even Homelander is stupid enough to say this stuff".
@austincage581
Ай бұрын
@@colindowden2182 I feel like the parts of them that are the most alike are their fan because they no matter what they do they follow trump or homelander
@colindowden2182
Ай бұрын
@@austincage581 That could describe any celebrities not just trump, hell just look at jon jones and vince mcmahon who done some bad stuff, but still have fans, and that's because homelander and supes in general are allegories for celebrities.
@clauzelmoutima6490
Ай бұрын
Can people further elaborate on the points he made instead of leaving an angry comment like why not try to have a discussion
@bloodonthecanvasofficial
Ай бұрын
I just made mine. The show comes from a liberal view point easily. But the fact that Homelander doesn't care about anyone but himself, is the point. Only him and his seed. It's a literal metaphor for a narcissist populist.
@vkvCN
Ай бұрын
Fr, it's important that people have a neutral standpoint watching videos like these
@Gorilla8762
Ай бұрын
@@vkvCN There is no neutral standpoint, you are always biased and that is not a bad thing. A neutral standpoint between being dead and alive is being half dead
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
There's literally nothing wrong with a show having a political point of view. If you want to claim politics is what's wrong with the boys it comes off as whiny.
@majinsoup3950
Ай бұрын
@@testcase6997 I wouldn’t call it whiny, it just gets hard to watch sometimes bc it shoves the political shi down your throat every episode, and it’s especially annoying bc it’s the opposite of real life and you just know there ppl watching who believes that the show has a accurate portrayal of republicans
@jr_xtreme8940
Ай бұрын
I think the saddest part is how politicized our world has become that every topic can now be categorized as left or right leaning.
@devilxcity
Ай бұрын
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS!!!!!!!!
@terryflopycow2231
Ай бұрын
Well that's pretty over the top since most of America still seems to think the Democrats are left wing, plus ecerything is politics
@greenlightstudios3816
Ай бұрын
Well, We live in a world now where its intentional. Even the higher ups confirmed it.
@jehovasinz
Ай бұрын
@@jr_xtreme8940 When was the world not political?
@adammarkovic3316
Ай бұрын
Doesnt help that outside of the political writing most of the characters feel melodramatic and are acting out of character constantly. Along with a lot of the current plot threads being faint echoes of past ones. Its a mess of a season. I dont really care what a bunch of hollywood people have to say on politics because like this show its all 5th grade level takes on it and a childish hatred almost for the side they dont like. Like fuck man it really feels like these writers dont live in the real world with how cartoonishly stupid they potray right wingers
@bartholomewmontgomery2494
Ай бұрын
Do some more research on the show
@zartx8064
Ай бұрын
Brother can you give any examples of what you’re saying and they aren’t also necessarily deeming rightwingers or leftwingers as bad it’s more the radical group of both sides
@emmanuellalfakzuala252
Ай бұрын
@zartx8064 in season 4 they are shameless with their stance on politics, like firecracker is just a caricature right wing tv personality stereotype, that 4 eyes who got killed, leaving aside even the politics this season has so many forced drama that are out of place this season has been a mess. Hopefully it's back on track in s5
@theanimartist2299
Ай бұрын
@@bartholomewmontgomery2494- why don’t you? What he says stands lol
@Guilherme-qo9ye
Ай бұрын
What made the past three seasons so special (specially season 3) was the fact the political stuff was, by the end of the day, only a background to develop the characters
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
Ай бұрын
@@Guilherme-qo9ye ok good you're not complaining about the quality of the show just the politics
@Guilherme-qo9ye
Ай бұрын
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 the politics in the show never were well written. Wanna see a leftist hero show with well written and compelling politics? Watchmen. The boys always felt more like a parody
@OGseoulite
Ай бұрын
You forget that this series is based of a COMIC BOOM SERIES and that story’s entire arc literally goes as far as Homelander becoming President. The comics & eventually now tv series ALWAYS!!! ALLLLLWAAAAAAYYYSSS HAD COMMENTARY ON POLITICS!!! YOU HAVE TO BE DUMB NOT TO KNOW THIS FROM SEASON 1 EPISODE 1!
@Vitou777
Ай бұрын
@@OGseoulite and you have to be delusional to think Season 1 politics and Season 4 politics are even remotely similar.
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
that didn't make the show good or bad babe. It's irrelevant. how the hell do you people always complain that a show has opinions you hate?
@robertwang2788
Ай бұрын
The show has always been shitting on both right-wingers and cringe liberals. There are no actual leftist in the show but there are plenty of people who cynically use left-wing talking points that they don't actually believe in to get people to follow them (Neuman) or sell people their shitty product (all of Vought marketing). The overall theme that your leaders/politicians, whether liberal or right-wing, don't believe in what they say to you and are just in it for them own personal gain can easily be applied to both sides. You just only notice it when they criticize the side you agree with.
@margaretwordnerd5210
Ай бұрын
A lot of people see mocking everyone as persecution of their side. Also, many miss irony. I've encountered more than a few who think the cynical jabs at corporate wokeness was "trying to make woke seem cool and failing" but raging that any jokes on rightwing figures or topics are unjust and unfunny.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
2:28 I mentioned that The Boys does criticize both sides when it comes to peddling politics for personal gain, but the attack on ideas is specifically targeted to the right wing. For example, the show portrays skeptics against cancel culture like Blue Hawk and Firecracker as ignorant and backwards without engaging with the actual Ill-effects of cancel culture such as false accusations (Johnny Depp) and PC art (Hannah Gadsby). It’s a bigger question than the show can possibly answer, but The Boys tries to answer it in a way that lacks understanding. For a show about politics, it only knows one side of the debate instead of all of them. It’s just bad art, man.
@colindowden2182
Ай бұрын
The show never shits on cringe liberals they only shit on grifters and cooperation mainly Vought who pander to them. LBGT and BLM organization who have done some shady stuffs were never mock in the show which is something that shouldn't happened in a political satire show else it becomes plain propaganda.
@robertwang2788
Ай бұрын
@@EthanTheFool that's a fair point. But I don't think the show actually tries to argue that cancel culture is good. People like Bluehawk are portrayed as monsters not because of their stance on cancel culture but because they are actually just racist psychopaths. And none of the many psychos in the show actually gets "cancelled" no matter how blatant their crimes are. So what does that say about cancel culture? Certainly not that it is actually an effective way of stopping hate. Moreover, the people who actually do the canceling and deplatforming real life like the media and entertainment industry are shown as utterly morally bankrupt in the show and do not care at all about the issues they are supposedly cancelling people over. Also, cancel culture is not a left wing idea. It's just a tool people use to silence or persecute people whose ideas they don't like or view as harmful. Believe me right wingers do this just as much as liberals.
@Riqo2Suave
Ай бұрын
The show throws soft balls for the liberal side while trying to make conservatives look like the alt right and this is coming from someone left leaning, alienating half the country does no good for either side long tem
@passimian1868
Ай бұрын
Show is fine, ya’ll are going hardcore chronically online deep into this shit 💀 actual slop
@Riqo2Suave
Ай бұрын
Chronically online or using critical thinking to dissect a story and find what values it holds? You should blame your teachers if you never learned that in school
@SantiagoLoza-ey8rm
Ай бұрын
@@Riqo2Suave You should blame your parents for raising you to be ignorant
@seadee2834
Ай бұрын
Wouldn't say it's fine. I'm not an Amerifat who's entire life revolves around which political side I am on, so viewing this story is getting pretty lame when they are clearly sidelining the actual story for political ha-ha's and excessive amounts of shock value scenes. It's always had these elements but they were like a side dish with the story being the main, but recently it feels like they have swapped positions. For example, literally everyone knew that Joe Kessler was imaginary like Becca but they still act like it was a massive surprise. We knew that shit from episode 2. Also, every character who dies was introduced on screen literally 2 seconds ago, just so they can die in a shocking way. The Neuman head explosion scene in the most recent episode is the perfect example of the show's current quality. The writers really went for the "It was just a (day)dream" angle, which is just lazy writing for the sake of getting more shock value scenes.
@SantiagoLoza-ey8rm
Ай бұрын
@@seadee2834 America is better than whatever random country you live in
@willlee6234
Ай бұрын
Cope much?
@Johnmarston1.
Ай бұрын
Respectfully you are wrong Edit: damn crybabys in the comments 💀
@zapmenhightide9233
Ай бұрын
If you think about it the dude is right. The show makes a mockery of conservative ideas while just poking fun at leftist. the show is clearly biased but back then it was fine with the storytelling but now the politics run the show. As someone who isn't a conservative or leftist it's very obvious to see politics are running the show
@Johnmarston1.
Ай бұрын
@@zapmenhightide9233it's not obvious it is pretty good at poking fun at both sides not just one side. Maybe it's because you can't take a joke.
@lilericinnacut
Ай бұрын
@@Johnmarston1.yeah lmao these people the real snowflakes
@kurijuu
Ай бұрын
As a libertarian who aligns with neither the right nor the left, let me tell you that while the show has always mocked both sides of the political spectrum, only someone completely biased would not realize that the show clearly sympathizes with progressive left.
@Riqo2Suave
Ай бұрын
@@Johnmarston1.you can’t tell me you watched the last 6 episodes of season 4 and genuinely believe theirs no bias
@Average_Enjoyer360
Ай бұрын
This show went from deconstruction of superhero tropes to political satire. The main story isn't getting anywhere and they just throw in scenes of shock value just for the sake of it. Homelander and Butcher's story has taken a back seat to the uninteresting characters' development despite them hyping it up at the end of last season. I'm not American so the politics doesn't connect to me. I'm here to see evil superheroes and there isn't much of that happening this season. It's just politics.
@TimSlee1
Ай бұрын
It can get pretty exhausting tbh.
@ericmustang7374
Ай бұрын
Good video, you also left out the time the deep said his ex wife pooped in his bed, which is a nod to amber heard and Jonny Depp, (names lol) but it seems that by portraying the deep as Jonny they are supporting amber, which is odd
@pyrsen
Ай бұрын
Homelander is racist he said no to a brown supe because "captain al qaeda"
@DabeleaGabriel
Ай бұрын
The main issue with the ideology you've chosen to portray in this video regarding The Boys is that you said that the show never took a stand on politics when it knew it couldn't convey them, it did, in the first episode, Homelander is a narcissist who doesn't want any betterment to the world, he is in a position of power(more now than he was in the first season) that pretty much grants him every right possible to do good or to help but the power that the position contains is immense, he can do whatever he pleases and whatever he pleases is NOT in the benefit of humanity or the good of others, he is self centric, does not give a fuck about anyone around him, that is to blame on the way he grew up but then again, every other supe in the universe seems to be only interested in their own good and never in the good of others. Another important thing to note is that, even in the comics, the end commences to Homelander taking over the white house and all hell let loose, the show portrays politics to a deep level, Homelander isn't just evil superman killing by the dozens, he's evil superman that wants to become president and to run the whole country of America and perhaps the world, politics are engrained in the story because politics are the end goal of homelander and his ideology, the ending of the current season puts it together nicely, he becomes president and the agenda he's been pushing before is now amped up to the max in order for him to satisfy his goals, you cannot become a president without ever engaging into politics now, can you? Your opinion is valid but the take you've chosen is flawed, he is a parody of Trump, at least to some extent, his appearance has nothing to do with Trump tho, being blonde does not make you a parody of Trump, his actions speak for themselves and there's no need to goof around with unsavoury comments regarding the body of Trump, the show only focuses on his politics and Homelander is the spitting image of Trump. I don't care about politics, i'm not even american but i understand the show's standing and its mockery of political groups, i enjoy it.
@Sebi_gd
Ай бұрын
i dont think the whole soldier boy and stormfront characters are necessarily done because they are right wing but rather to show what being in a higher position (being a sup) does to people as a person. Soldier boy has a huge inflated ego and thinks that people should always believe and do as he wants and if they dont they get what they "deserve". Stormfront believes that she and all the other people with superpowers are above all normal humans, making them surperior. Her connections to the nazi regime probably brought up this belief towards for example black people and her having become a sup just projects this feeling onto all humans, the feeling that they are worth less, that they are worse. I personally wouldnt read too much political standpoints into this part of the show. However its not hard to tell that the show is clearly showing a political standpoint which in and of itself isnt bad in my opinion. Seeing parallels to the real world, if you agree with the standpoints of the show or not, gives you a new perspective on those said real things. The way that Vought's only concern is profit and how they abuse the fact that mave is a lesbian for their own monetary gain is a direct critique towards real life companies that spit out these unrealistic queer characters. The show also directly shows how it could be done better. Frenchie is authentic as a gay person in the series, its never really talked about the way he feels and it creates a normality. I think I speak for the majority that when you saw frenchie making out with a dude for the first time in the series it didnt feel like it was forced upon to include a gay person in the series, it felt natural and even contributed to frenchies own personal plot multiple times (overdosing of his best friend, feelings of regret in the most recent season). The fact that the characters only become vessels for the writers political viewpoints is completely wrong in my opinion. Blue hawk is a accurate representation of what a racist sup would look like. "ooh im not racist" "look at the numbers" "all live matters" all things that actual racist people would say. The trivia thing is just nitpicking in my opinions, yes the trivia is not unbiased towards the movie however its unclear how involved the actual writers of the show were with this trivia. Homelander is clearly a political LOL. He may not be on the extremist spectrum but he clearly is political. He feels a clear superiority towards normal humans similar to how nazis or racists feel that their ethnicity is superior to other ehtnicities. He (while probably not believing it himself) tries his best to appeal to christians. He is a huge patriot (his costume is literally in the colors of the american flag + he has the american flag as a cape). Clear indications for his political position and there is probably more that I cant think of without having to watch back the show. I know I already like talked about the whole frenchie thing but like I would love for you to explain your standpoint more. Why exactly do you feel it is awkward to watch? I mean yes it is supposed to be a bit awkward, you are watching someone being lied to, someone making out with the murderer of their own parents. As a viewer that gives an unpleasant feeling while watching but this would be the case regardless on if it was a man or woman and I am very sure that the writers intended it to be this way. the part about sage just aged really poorly with how the season has ended now but I get the point that it is very unnoticable until you really look back at it. She isnt making any "new cool weapons" with her engineering because thats not what she aims to do. She wants to experiment on how far she can get if she tried. But yea as said the sage part just really didnt age well with the end of the season. Idk why we are comparing firecracker to right wing politics? Firecracker is a crazy conspiracist with right wing opinions yes, but the majority of things that happen is because of the conspiracy stuff. The part that children are being kept at starlight house is a parody of how conspiracies think that rich people hold children hidden or smth like that. The usually more believed by conservative conspiracy theories are way more mainstream known so it makes more sense for them to choose those. Or can you tell me of a conspiracy theory (besides maybe that the recent shooting of trump was staged) that is usually associated with left wing? (genuine question please tell me if you know any). Yes the abortion part is clearly politicized, however I think its a totally valid way to give people space to think about this side of the arguement which doesnt hinder the plot. As someone who is for abortion rights, I personally would wish for people to show this clear why they are against them. For me there is only always religious belief (which I don't share so I don't relate to that arguement) or the want to not kill off a potential child, where I think that the childs life on average would be way worse without an abortion. For the last part: Using public funds for own gain is not a left wing only thing, this obviously doesnt make it unimplementable into the show however I disagree with your view point that it is necessarily left wing The false me2 allegations are yet again not necessarily left wing? atleast not from my point of view. Anyone can make false claims of abuse this is nothing political. About the art thing I have mentioned before that I think the show does critique this and also shows how to do it better. The thing about getting outraged about disagreement is shown tho for boths sides (it is again a thing where I dont think its left specific), but in season 4 where the fight is between the starlighters and homelander people both sides fight over the complete convincement that the other side is in the wrong.
@Pokemaster-wg9gx
Ай бұрын
the fucking amount of times i went "dear god what year is this show set in?" or groaned in pain or wheezed bro oof lel
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
???
@no-jo9on
Ай бұрын
This season is fun just enjoy it i am really likeing it they were building a-train redemption for a couple of seasons and he has gone from someone who is arrogant non caring person who only looks out for himself to someone who cares and is trying to better with his family and make better on past mistakes
@johnrivera3365
Ай бұрын
I don’t agree with the politics of the show, but still watch it. There are many things I wouldn't agree with politically, but outright boycotting the show would be much more in line with cancel culture. Something the right has attributed to the Left. Funny enough, the right is now engaging in it. It's sad to see that "hearing the other side" is not something we consider. Covering our eyes and ears will only keep up from finding common ground.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@johnrivera3365 I actually still love the show. I’m not trying to boycott it, but shed light on the shows political ironies. I definitely agree that there has been an overreaction from the right due to the modern audiences hyperawareness of politics, and it’s not totally justified in its backlash. But the show definitely engages in bad faith politics, and it’s simply more apparent from the lack of quality writing this season.
@Quartermp4
Ай бұрын
The answer is that the writers of Gen V were more involved with season 4. And it fucking shows. Shame. Hopefully they learn their lesson for season 5
@vibemasterkorosu2469
Ай бұрын
Gen V kinda sucked ngl
@vkvCN
Ай бұрын
@@vibemasterkorosu2469💯
@MrRobot-jb5tl
Ай бұрын
Gen V was way better than S3/4, characters wise and writing wise. Your ass must be jealous of the shit that comes out of your mouth
@ryszakowy
Ай бұрын
i hope they learn it when there's no season 5 and they are out of their job that they couldn't do properly in the first place
@brocKain
Ай бұрын
Firecracker doesn't represent any real life conservative or right wing ideas. shes a badly written generalization and stereotype conceived from the writers own ignorance.
@Draconicdeer
Ай бұрын
Idk about that, have seen Lauren Boebert and her speeches? Or even Marjorie Taylor Greene who genuinely believes in Jewish space lasers as mentioned in the show.
@brocKain
Ай бұрын
@@Draconicdeerok, so one nut in politics. What about Hasan Piker or Elizabeth Warren or Nancy Pelosi, they're all absurd material to use to clown on both sides. That's all I'm saying.
@addictedtochocolate920
Ай бұрын
No, it doesn't; it's a TV show. The objective is to entertain by making fun of the extreme sides of society, not to teach you politics
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
But isn't the show about Politics and trying to say something about radicalization through media manipulation? I think the writers' of The Boys wants people to discuss it and we're doing just that by analyzing it.
@Samurreye
Ай бұрын
“Addicted to chocolate” get your gooner ass out of here 😂😂
@alyssondasilva4484
Ай бұрын
You are too naive or delusional if you think writers dont try to peddle their political or moral belliefs in their writings, have you watched ANYTHING made in the Last 10 years?
@thenaturalpeoplesbureau
Ай бұрын
They poke fun at the pizzagate thing but at the same time tek knight has 120 days of Sodom in his bookshelf, which is.. a book about the murder and abuse of minors. Homelander was literally MK ULTRA'd as a child. There is something seriously wrong there.. By having De Sade's sick book 120 days of Sodom as secret lever to his dungeon the showrunners hint that they ARE aware stuff like this actually exists. Kimiko's past, and Homelanders literal MK ULTRA childhood are further proof that they are aware the issue exists. Hyporisy or coming plot twist?
@manuelk1853
16 күн бұрын
The funny thing is that Blue Hawk isn't even wrong for saying "all lives matter"
@theblackgamer8103
Ай бұрын
Good video. Definitely don't deserve the gate you're getting keep up the good work dude.
@skarmorycloser
Ай бұрын
why are we under the impression that they have to be equally fair and balanced? the show has never claimed that they are a commentary on politics, they have claimed, the way you mentioned in the video, that they are a commentary on the people that have created a cult like following for the right. Even so, they have critiqued the left being gullible for the corporate pride stuff (voughtland/any of maeves products you see in the show), the left being more comfortable with a masculine and a feminine woman in a lesbian relationship (Maeve and Elena), and with A-Train not really caring about his heritage and just using it to get back into the spotlight. But these seem a lot smaller to people who are hating on the show because the thing that drives the story forward is the cult of personality that Homelander is, and the inspirations they draw from Donald Trump and his followers himself. So while they could make more parody of the left, but not only would that not drive the story forward, it would distract from what the show truly is.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
No show is expected to be fair on politics, but The Boys put themselves in the task of satirizing American politics. Yes they have critiqued media manipulation on both left and right, such as A-train using his blackness for brownie points, etc. But LGBTQ pride and blackness are not portrayed as flawed issues in the same way that their right wing counterparts are. The show takes cheap jabs at conventional right wing ideas themselves without going into the nuance of it. The show doesn’t even have the runtime to go into the nuance of it, so why would they try to say something about it? They should have stuck to what they know, or at least be self-aware of the limits of their own medium. I think The Boys could’ve parodied the Left while still having the Trump Analogy because the shows ultimate message against media manipulation is a Universal one that is not special to the right. But the writers wasted an opportunity, and the show is a worse piece of art because of it.
@kurogikuzuzuki9790
Ай бұрын
@@EthanTheFool i do agree writing is trash this season. Huey had major plot armor surviving HL. MM is making really bad plans where Huey almost dies. Their teamwork is sloppy and they all almost die. Very over-the-top uncreative ways of letting us know certain characters are assholes. Sage being underwhelming as an antagonist and racial in a... not amusing way? The abortion "I just beat up Firecrack" thing was out of character for Starlight, but for Huey, he was just being a male feminist (an aspect of his character probably also under critique) when he was talking about "your body your choice". I think that might've been part of the satire just because of the delivery coming from Huey of all people lol. I think all of this is just part of bad writing, not "irresponsible political messaging" just a rant ab the "cheap jabs at the right" i wouldn't really go that far because it's not like the positions they're attacking are dignified enough for a "rich jab" to even be possible. what they are attacking most obviously politically is corporatism, celebrity culture, and superhero tropes. economically, they're putting capitalism in the scope but not making any substantive claims about the capital or state hierarchy. socially, they talk about American exceptionalism, blackness, queerness, and prejudice. the left and right have large overlap on these issues and there's a certain level of boundary drawing needed that will always be controversial for us to say that everything under scope is exclusively a right-wing problem, e.g. right wing people will still agree with anti-racism, just like Homelander was weirded out that one time from the racist Stormfront handy and left wing people still agree with capitalism let go of the left/right divide for this topic bc im not saying the right isn't dignified (even though you'd believe that The Boys is disproportionately attacking the right). it's j that the divide is one-dimensional and too simplistic to capture the social, economic, and political reality being conveyed in The Boys.
@jeremys1648
27 күн бұрын
@@EthanTheFoolit is mirroring reality. In reality the far left congresswoman wants universal healthcare, the far right congresswoman wants to stop Jewish space lasers.
@spooks188
Ай бұрын
I'm kind of curious how many dislikes this video has. Disclaimer: I'm not shitting on the video, just curious if there's a split on how well this video was received.
@GayToad1157
Ай бұрын
right? left? conservative? im not speaking your language.
@Riqo2Suave
Ай бұрын
I feel like everyone claiming this guys wrong in the comments is most likely young as they cannot properly articulate why the points brought up are flawed, nobody has a problem w political bias inherently, what people have issues w is the lack of subtly and nuance in the writing, instead of having the audience see the issues, corruption and hypocrisy on both sides and allowing them to come to their own conclusions, the show chooses instead to force feed it’s narrative using characters as props to send a message that’ll be dated within the decade, what media like this does is just ends up further dividing the population by relentlessly mocking one side while vindicating the other
@edgelord88-ku1oo
Ай бұрын
Who would've thought that the political season is more political than the other seasons. Season 1: Expose vought while figuring out a way to kill homelander. Season 2: Stop stormfront with her radicalization and get ryan away from homelander. Season 3: Get soldier boy to kill homelander and get ryan away (I think going off of memory) Season 4: Stop homelander and neuman from making a coup with the support of other supes and get ryan away finally from homelander. I will say the more political that season 4 is bad writing in my opinon due to how its just boring so far imo but the political hints in the show is pointing fun at how no matter what side you are blindly following people who show that they have the same opinions as you and view them as gods (maga meatriding) is dumb af and is bad. The whole message of the show with vought and supes are basically corporations are gay and they'll shill out to you for a buck and the supes are people who dont gaf who you are and just want attention from you, and will even use you for their amusement
@mechcannon
Ай бұрын
Which would be fine conceptually if The Boys could make a sensible line of argumentation or parody. It’s too blatant to ignore how hard it swings to one side. You have to be blind to think it’s being generalist.
@metalfaceduude
Ай бұрын
That Taxi Driver card is crazy 😭
@lvod969
Ай бұрын
We get it, you're a conservative. Just stop watching the show and quit whining.
@Jay-wz7pi
Ай бұрын
Ong
@quanghuynguyen7957
Ай бұрын
fucks sake, we have the conservatives crying and leaving shit comments on rotten tomatoes and liberals denouncing every legit criticism with "You're a conservative. Just stop watching the show and quit whining". Both sides have the same thing. Shit arguments. Can't y'all criticise the show normally? What the show did well and what it didn't?
@TimSlee1
Ай бұрын
I bet you cry about conservative shows.
@quanghuynguyen7957
Ай бұрын
@@lvod969 Conservatives talk shit about the show on Rotten Tomatoes and liberals reply to every legit criticism with "You're a conservative. Just stop watching the show". Both sides are shit and comment like shit. Just criticise the show normally ffs. Explain what the show did well and what it didn't would be more productive.
@lvod969
Ай бұрын
@TimSlee1 Name a good one lol
@GUNROCKS1990
Ай бұрын
Honestly I got into the boys since my friend recommended me to watch 4 or 3 years ago, great show and I agree with you. I’m looking at people videos reviews having mixed opinions. That’s all I gotten say.
@Dveyz
Ай бұрын
I just enjoy the plot, idc about the politics
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
Fair nuff.
@GatoSanDad
Ай бұрын
Same. I've enjoyed so much this season to care lol
@TheKing-no3it
Ай бұрын
The interesting thing to me is that both sides suck. The boys picked a side from the jump but it’s become blatant now so everyone cries. The same exact thing would happen if it was reversed. The left would be butthurt and the right would hail the show as amazing. But sitting here crying that they don’t present fair takes for both sides lmaooo like why would they when that’s never been what it was from the jump. Even if they did there’d still be people crying that it criticizes one side more than the other.
@willlee6234
Ай бұрын
All people want is just a show that doesn't tell them what to think.
@vibemasterkorosu2469
Ай бұрын
@@willlee6234 This.
@lizanya6433
Ай бұрын
@@willlee6234all shows tell you what to think. it’s how stories work. for example, writing a character as a protagonist = telling you to think about the character as a protagonist. go watch cocomelon or something.
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
@@willlee6234 It doesn't tell you how to think. it tells you how it thinks. Grow up, not everyone agrees with you.
@TheKing-no3it
23 күн бұрын
@@willlee6234 the shows been telling people what to think from the jump. It’s been a critique of all the same stuff from episode one right up until this very last episode. The only reason people are crying now is because it’s a little too close to reality which means it’s not funny anymore.
@goldgalaxy3559
Ай бұрын
I agree with you about everything 100%
@TEETHHHHH
Ай бұрын
It's not that The Boys doesn't understand what messages it wants to send, they're very clear, the show is LITERALLY about a BAND OF REBELS fighting a CORPORATION, its just that the audience (well, at least one half of it) who historically is ignorant and not educated just now realized what the shows talking about. The list of super obvious comparisons to real life with this show is so long that it genuinely confuses me how this many people didn't get it, like, they LITERALLY HAVE A CHARACTER, NAMED STORM. FRONT. The show is satirizing US Politics, and because this country is so right wing to the point where basic ideas such as "people shouldn't pay for something that falls out the sky" or "people deserve health care" is considered "radical", so OF COURSE the show is MOSTLY about one side of the spectrum. Like, the current plot is literally the gang fighting basically Donald Trump (Homelander) Alex Jones (firecracker), and Fox News/CNN (Vought Media) 😭😭😭 The pure ignorance from recent haters of the show is so illegitimate to the point where i dont even wish to start a conversation with yall, it's like yall live on another planet or something, what show were yall watching this whole time???
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
I didn't say that The Boys doesn't understand the message they want to send. I stated that it's pretty clear from my rewatch that it has a leftist viewpoint. The show is a political satire about Trumpism and American politics and so it's main message is political. I'm saying that in previous seasons, the writers focused more on the main message against radicalization from celebrities/politicians appropriating politics. They have done much to show how this is done. However this season, there is a lot of conservative-bashing on political topics without weaving it into the story so everyone can experience their perspective rather than have it told. It's like a thesis with no proof. And since The Boys is about politics, the writers should know how confused and disillusioned people are about politics and enlighten their audience rather than drill in leftist ideas without nuance.
@ujan-pd6tz
Ай бұрын
Nigga it's on Amazon TF u mean by 'fighting a greedy corporation'
@Gorilla8762
Ай бұрын
@@EthanTheFool Part of the problem is that they are financed by the very big corporation they vow to criticize, so while they can take jabs at common sense conservative talking points, they can't weave it into a cohesive criticism of the very system that created the ever deepening crisis america is suffering. They critize trump, the innefectiveness of the justice system at punishing him, the joke that is american electoralism, the rising reactionary movement and corporations financing them. All of these are valid criticisms that the show throws in jabs but fail unify them, and with that I agree with you. The unifying problem is late stage capitalism: the ever increasing wealth concentration in america, the dissolution of public services and worsening job prospects to sow ever increasing profits, while infrastructure rots, people get sick and overworked just to keep a roof over their heads with no chance of upward mobility. Industry has gone all to china, innovation is thrown to the way side for short term gain and scammers pop up in silicon valley trying to win money from dumb venture capitalists in their new fad. The media is owned by the ever fewer monopolies that hold all the power in this country, and blast their neoliberal propaganda 24/7. Politicians are bribed by said monopolies, and we pretend we have an election that matters when in reality they all have the same donnors. All of this is a cohesive narrative that has inherent biases, incompatible with the views of any right winger, and is okay, but makes for a stale story if they don't show any sort of solutions, of which there are the revolutionary kind which would make their producer angry.
@TRENCHESandTREADS
Ай бұрын
Historically speaking it's leftists who are ignorant and not educated about the world around them. Remember, you lot literally can't tell the difference between men and women.
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
@@EthanTheFool It's cause some low iq fella named your video "the boys doesn't understand politics. That's why this guy thinks you're saying the writers don't know politics. He doesn't get your real complaint is how the show doesn't address a person at a non profit buying a house.
@dark_inks
Ай бұрын
The interesting thing to me though is the fact that I walked away from the first two seasons thinking that the media manipulation of the series was a jab against the left, which simply shows that politics have become so polarizing that nobody ACTUALLY knows what the other side believes anymore.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@dark_inks The show actually does criticize the left in a way. Leaders and corporations use leftist ideas like DEI (and right wing ideas) for their own gain. What the show doesn’t do is criticize the leftist ideas itself, only the people who use them. Whereas right wing ideas and values are fair game.
@austincage581
Ай бұрын
@@EthanTheFoolWhat ideas would they criticize tho because most of the time I see the left being criticized it's just being homophobic or racist
@nananou1687
Ай бұрын
@@EthanTheFoolleftist ideas are not the status quo in the world of the series. It's literally a late stage capital world. Idk how leftist ideas can be criticized if the settings would not be conducive for it, that in itself would be forced, and "bad art"
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@nananou1687 Even if the left is not the status quo, it doesn’t do the show any favors by ignoring a nuanced view of politics when the show itself is about politics. What I believe is that the show is in the real world which is 50-50 left-right. I believe it is perfectly conducive to both critique the world around us while being self-critical of inherent bias. If the show feels forced, it wouldn’t be because of the political status quo, but because of poor writing. The burden of creation is on the writer. And people like you and me are free to judge whether it is bad art or good art.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@austincage581 the best idea I could think of was to have Starlight struggle with the radicalization of her own Starlighter movement as a foil to Homelander’s abuse of power with his MAGA-like movement. Other than that, they could dip into the stuff I talk about in the video at 12:33
@zemaddonzo3504
Ай бұрын
This is it. This is precisely what Ive felt is off about The Boys. Thank you so much for this review
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@zemaddonzo3504 🫡 no problem!
@mingtuannguyen9672
Ай бұрын
i'm non american so i dont understand the politicals i feel pretty fun to watch. only amercan feel that the politicals in the boys a criter site. also i feel bad about this ss is that i can predict thing nôrmally the boy would have suprise me
@cynical_chai8922
Ай бұрын
12:20 Hm I really like those ideas and would be interesting to see the boys explore. But do you think the show *actually* representing both sides of the political fanaticism would reduce their audience? They clearly want a certain group to be pointed at and laughed at, if their core audience were to be criticized in a meaningful way wouldn't that put them off to the show? Ironic for kripke though, bro worked on supernatural, originally catered to the all-american schitck type audience
@jjones9822
Ай бұрын
Yeah but the bulk of Supernatural came before Trump. Politics has changed culture drastically since then. Trump has literally broken these people’s brains to the point they need to remind us about him and the right wing constantly.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@cynical_chai8922 If the show were to actually represent fanaticism on both sides as fairly as it can, it would definitely turn off the more radical types, but not most people. I believe it would be refreshing to see a show make fun of everyone as brazenly as adult animated shows like South Park or Family Guy have done. And those shows have fans across the political spectrum.
@ms.megalodon3704
Ай бұрын
If I had to sum up the Boys political problem in one sentence. It would be this: Homelander… is not Trump. You may fucking hate Trump. Or love him. Either way. Doesn’t matter. Homelander is really nothing like him. His beliefs are different, goals different, upbringing different, rise to power different, strengths different. At the end of the day. Somewhere in the creation of this show. Homelander became this unique character that was far divorced from the simple “haha Trump” analogy they wanted. And honestly it seemed like they were fine with it until Trump started becoming politically relevant again. Honestly most of the real people they try to parody are so very different from their show counterparts that they come off like straw men. And that will just never be clever or engaging writing.
@adriancage87
Ай бұрын
Buddy go back to watching sponge bob. Leave the grow up show and go watch ur cartoons.
@TimSlee1
Ай бұрын
You made this comment not even 5 seconds into watching the video. Bet.
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
@@TimSlee1 the op made this video before the season even ended lol.
@14ElmStreet28
Ай бұрын
@@testcase6997 you don't need to watch the full season to know that it has bad writing.
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
@@14ElmStreet28 look at what i responded to
@theanimartist2299
Ай бұрын
You sure showed him. Man did that hurt.
@terrybarnhill9037
Ай бұрын
Great analysis. I too, went and rewatched the previous seasons, as I had seen this backlash on the show this season. This season has been very direct in its political message and the story narrative has been moved to the back of the bus. It is now propaganda driven. Characters are out of character. Doctor Who did the same and it showing in fans ratings.
@koldkilla.6497
Ай бұрын
U realize the boys has to be political for the whole main plot is literally homelander becoming the president it only makes sense that they’d go deeper in politics u guys are acting like the shit has no political ties
@blondyewest
Ай бұрын
Absolutely nailed it. Excellent analysis and breakdown. The question is not when did they become political, but at what point did the writer's personal biases and political beliefs become the focal point of the character dialogue. It's far more evident the writers disdain for one side of the political isle and not the other.
@slyfurz
Ай бұрын
This is actually a fair and factual analysis
@ronaldlub6335
Ай бұрын
Great video showing the gradual politics in the first season that enhances the story to the overbearing politics of season 4. First video on your channel will watch more.
@HAZARD-mi5mf
Ай бұрын
Cool vid, I just want to say how I think this show does its way into talking about the politics. While I agree the right gets a bit too much focus and it’s a little unbalanced on who gets made fun of, I still think the left has fs gotten made fun of a lot throughout the show. The left in the show less uses what they say and more rather what they do to be more equal. The A-Train Commerical being one of them. I do agree though that the show really should’ve a commentary on both sides when comes to the very far left or far right. I think the writing style had to change this season due to the fact far right content has been very popular everywhere you go. So it was inevitable the show would lean into that direction. Season 4 focuses more on the legality of how supes should operate outside their original purpose. Homelander is trying to get his fans to disagree with bills with his immense power, so it would be pretty hard not to do it on the nose with the writing when it came to the right. Overall though, I think EPS 4-6 have been some of the best in the whole show, just out there and fun the episodes can get. For the character arcs I really have no idea they would’ve toke with Frenchie or Kimiko’s arcs. I think they should’ve been regulated to be an assist so the Boys could further destroy Vought and the Seven. Sorry if I had bad grammar I just wanted to say that, good vid 👍
@GUNROCKS1990
Ай бұрын
Plus Sister Slang character look like a Colonial Marine for new Alien Film based on comic book.
@guillesuperior
Ай бұрын
Basically the writers got scared about how right wingers seemed to like to show and decided to dial ip to eleven the scenes that reaffirm their point of view I don’t think S4 is atrocious, just pretty mid compared to the previous seasons
@adriancage87
Ай бұрын
Ethan doesn't know anything. U are dead wrong maam
@Taynado
Ай бұрын
There is a great reason you have 56 subscribers.
@TimSlee1
Ай бұрын
4:28 Why do they feel the need to bring up his race? Taxi Driver wasn't about white privilege or any of that culture-war garbage.
@abrahamicreligionsbowbefor3585
Ай бұрын
Because Amazon are racist, simple as.
@tgmartin
Ай бұрын
It took some people 4 whole seasons to realise that they were being mocked
@TheSubsman23
Ай бұрын
Ive seen several videos like this and you are all wrong. "They started getting extra political throughout the seasons", yea, that might be because it went from killing supes to stopping the supes from doing a coup of the white house and taking over the government, the show's characters got into more political situations, and people are surprised when more political themes pop up. "Oh, but they only make fun of this group and not that", it's a work of fiction about evil superheroes, the writers have political biases that may show, but it seems like the perception of there being more politics is on you. Just try to enjoy the fiction, the entire thing is basically a parody, and caring at all about how obviously extreme and incorrect adaptations of people on you side of politics is not the writers fault, it's how YOU are watching it. I've seen people of the right watch the show make fun of them and laugh, because its edgy comedy wrapped in evil superhero shenanigans
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
Unlike other TV shows, The Boys isn't just entertainment, but political satire and it wants to say something about politics. I think it's fair to critique the show's political messaging and representation because the writers are satirizing just that. Yes they have been building up to this point that it will be more about politics than supe action, but I think the writers are doing it poorly. It participates in media manipulation by appropriating leftist political issues to cater to one side of the aisle, while simultaneously villainizing the other side with no nuance. The show is not critical of it's own politics before irresponsibly peddling it to their audience.
@TimSlee1
Ай бұрын
They didn't need to shoehorn comparisons with irl events to such a high degree though, it get's obnoxiously bias.
@fabstems3388
Ай бұрын
Before I start yapping, I just wanna say good job on the video, making and editing is a b*tch and I wanna give kudos to you for sharing your thoughts and opinions, however: I disagree with most of your talking points in this video, the only parts I actually agree on are that the new characters range from mediocre to bad and that the whole abortion subplot could've been handled much better. Otherwise, I'd say the boys is mainly a criticism of capitalism, which in essence is a system designed to suck the most value out of it's workers as it can, this is done through devious marketing, manipulation of the public. Both left and right political spectrums do these things, as they are under the influence of capitalism to gain as much power as they can. Thus, I would say, it is more so about a critique of those in power, the ones pushing the ideologies onto the common folk. Is that ironic because the show has openly leftist ideologies? Sure you could say so. Now let me ask you this, does the show have to show all the broad strokes of political nuance? I don't think it does, because then it loses it's focus. Good art always has a message behind it, if you paint it too broad, where is the point to be found? You could argue that you can derive your own meaning from a broad story, stories like that have and will continue to be made. But that's not what the boys is, the boys has always been a show about taking down an oppressive regime, starting a revolution, that's the case whether you view it from the supes point of view, or from the boys point of view. And yet, the heroes of this story are The Boys, because that is how it was always intended to be, we view the revolution as though they are the ones toppling the regime, and that comes with the consequence that anyone who supports the regime, aka the right wing, are viewed as antagonists. That gives a point to the story, a message that the show runners want to portray, it hasn't ever been about being nuanced and showing all sides equally, it's always been about taking down the bad guys, the capitalist, money hungry, power hungry douchebags that sit on top, the ones that oppress the common folk. The only difference in the show between left and right, is that in the show, the right supports those that hold the power: Homelander and his suck ups, which by association, makes them as bad as those in power, because they want to uphold an oppressive regime. My own view on it is that it satirizes the american right wing perfectly, all the issues that the show discusses, the arguments right wing commentators bring up, it's all a stupid show to gain control and power over people, meanwhile the left are trying to spread the power to the people, and that taking down those leaders and their supporters is the right thing to do.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
Thanks for kudos! I agree with your point on how the story is by default heroizing the left and demonizing the right and that's fine. There's no doubt American politics has become over-radicalized since 2016. However, the show doesn't stop it's critiques just at the plot. This season especially has sprinkled cheap jabs at right wing ideas without any nuance. The show works best when the audience already agrees with the writers' own opinions. Otherwise, we are left with a bunch of political opinions told at us rather than experienced through the story. Season 1 didn't do this at all. We feel for Starlight as she makes her Religious epiphany during the Believe Expo and we get angry with A-train when he's racially profiled. The story worked harmoniously with the writers' political views. I feel nothing when the Abortion scene comes up suddenly or when Sage remarks condescendingly at perceived racial undertones. These plot elements could've been weaved better into the story, but since it wasn't, there is only the political bias left to see. On your question of artistic responsibility on politics, I also think good art tows a delicate line between being too broad and being too on-the-nose. Most shows really shouldn't even mention modern politics in it's messaging, but The Boys isn't most shows. As a show about capitalism, media manipulation, and Trumpism, it placed the task onto itself to say something about society, politics and the like. That's why I don't think we should downplay the irony of the writers' overt leftist bias. The message instantly loses credibility. The reason I mentioned the shows cheap jabs at different right-wing ideas of political topics is because there would be no difference in the story if the show didn't do that. As you said, the story itself already has a view and I believe it's enough to get the point across. It doesn't just hit the nail on the head, it hits the nail through the brain (call me sister sage).
@behnamjz4579
29 күн бұрын
Great video. It deserves a lot of more views.
@WewasAtamans
Ай бұрын
I equally despise the notsees and the bluehairs and I was OK with showrunners only throwing jabs at the right. But once they plainly said that i suck because i am not with them, that was the end of my interest in their product. Because its obviously not for me. So I was told.
@pyruvicsynthase5879
Ай бұрын
couldn't agree more
@tiberseptim8434
Ай бұрын
I love this "they go after the right, but not the left" Yes, they are, anti-Nazi, anti-dictator, anti-idiocy, pro-woman, pro-peace, pro-justice. That's a good thing. Them shittig on fanatics, nazis and idiots alike, and so poignant, is what makes the show good!
@captainhydra2146
28 күн бұрын
lmao your statement is based on the assumption that the right doesn't want peace or justice, or that it upholds idiocy, nazism, and anti women ideals. many right wing voters and people want the same things left people want bro, but both sides differ on how to bring about those values
@ewanmcconville4636
Ай бұрын
Ok but whats wrong with a show having political bias? Lots of shows do. The show consistently mocks the way people support the feminist, blm and lgbt communities. It aint political bias to display racists as the bad guys.but yes, this show is left leaning and always has been. Nothing wrong with that
@Riqo2Suave
Ай бұрын
But why make anyone slightly conservative look like a racist, deeply homophobic yet closeted idiot ?
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@ewanmcconville4636 Unlike other shows, The Boys is a political satire, and their main message critiques media manipulation. I believe it is fair to criticize the writers political bias because it goes directly against that message. Also, i don’t think the show mocks feminists, blm, or lgbt at all. It only satirizes the corporations and celebrities who use them for their own gain. The ideas themselves remain untouched.
@ashleyj.williams5762
Ай бұрын
"Eric Kripgay"
@bobmomgodbob
Ай бұрын
the show has always been like this, and it doesnt have to satirize the left because it is leftist. i agree that there are leftist ideas and people that are dishonest and just as manipulative as the right, but this show is almost exclusively touching on basic ideas such as racism, mysoginy, homophobia, masculinity, and radicalization, most of which are very straightforward issues that dont need two sides because theyre very basic issues with straightforward answers. bigotry is bad, masculinity is more nuanced than physical strength, and radicalization is the only one with any nuance from both sides. they dont touch on both sides of radicalization and i agree they should, but most other issues dont need to have both sides because there should be a clear side to pick. putting political views in media is normal, and the boys does it very well for the most part.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
It's fine for The Boys to satirize specifically Trump and the right wing, but without proper criticism on the left, the ultimate message against media manipulation loses credibility because the show is perpetuating leftist values without a critical analysis of those ideas. Ironically, it's manipulating us instead of enlightening us. Yes bigotry is bad, but many of those hot topic issues aren't just about bigotry. Much of the conversation with racism is about hypocritically racist DEI practices or defunding the police which is a vital institution for the safety of everyone. Misogyny and masculinity go hand in hand with who a man is supposed to be nowadays and the cultures of redpill, MGTOWs (stoicism), trad-cons each pulling them into different ways of life. Men are confused. Homophobia is with Transphobia and the prevailing postmodern view of Gender Theory where sexual reproduction has been divorced from Gender leading to infinite pronouns and the DEI practices that threaten careers if you don't adhere to them. Gender Theory has implications that people don't understand. I don't think these issues are simple. Half of America disagrees with Half of America and I don't think it can all be due to bigotry.
@bobmomgodbob
Ай бұрын
@@EthanTheFool they never bring up transphobia for more than like one or two lines so that doesn’t factor in, they are only really covering bi erasure and performative activism. and a series criticizing the right doesnt HAVE to criticize the left, since they aren’t sending any radical leftist messages other than “police brutality is bad” and “the system we live under leads to more homelanders”, not anything crazy. your argument about defunding the police is just… wrong?? i dont think they ever say to have that happen, they just say that many times police target minority communities (which is true) and that they need to be called out and held actually accountable, which is a pretty straightforward GOOD message that if you oppose raises some very interesting questions about your opinions about racism. and finally, the masculinity argument is barely political and more of a moral message, with political aspects. breaking bad has more messages about masculinity, walter white is a whole commentary on our culture’s view of masculinity and a man’s role in society and his family. is that show “an echo chamber”? shows can give their message without having to conform to the middle point of the issue. it’s not an echo chamber just because it takes a stance.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@bobmomgodbob I'm not necessarily saying that The Boys is wrong on the aforementioned political topics. I merely brought them up because you previously called them "straightforward issues" which they are far from. And sure the Boys doesn't have to criticize the left, but it doesn't actually have to criticize the right either. The main message of the show is a critique against celebrity worship and media manipulation across the political spectrum. The writers want to say something about politics, they want their viewers to discuss it. Whereas Breaking Bad is not a political show, and Vince Gilligan has been vocal about not including politics into his work. So yes we can discuss Breaking Bad's critique on masculinity, but this analysis is divorced from the show's main goal, which is to entertain. With confidence, we can say that the perspective of the show is the perspective of the characters. On the other hand, The Boys main goal is mainly political and was always political, so it's fair to critique the writers' treatment of politics. The Boys appropriates political topics to cater to a left-leaning audience, which is counter to their critique of media manipulation. The show takes cheap jabs at right wing ideas without proper analysis. I think that's the wrong way to treat politics, so the Boys shouldn't have done it at all.
@bobmomgodbob
Ай бұрын
@@EthanTheFool i think ur missing my point. the boys deals with topics that yes can be deeper, but mostly talks about them in a surface level satirical way, so for the show they are straightforward. and with the vince gilligan thing, the masculinity commentary is still there and is still in the show, so i dont really get ur point? the boys and breaking bad are both made to entertain, but both also have the side purpose of sending a message to their audience, like all stories. the boys caters to a left leaning audience because the writers are left leaning, just like how the original star wars had leftist views about america during vietnam and nixon. a show can take a side and still be good. the boys isnt creating echo chambers or manipulating anyone, they are putting out a message that they believe in through their tv show just like everyone else.
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
@@bobmomgodbob what I meant with the comparison between Breaking Bad and The Boys is that the masculinity critique in Breaking Bad is an additional message one can infer, whereas the political critiques in the Boys is it’s main message. The Boys is unique to other shows in that political messaging is the main point of the show instead of just a side thing. The writers dilute their own message against media manipulation and bad faith politics because the writers themselves treat politics in the same surface-level way as the manipulated populace they criticize. I see no difference between Homelander pushing beliefs onto his base and the show pushing beliefs onto the audience. They participate in the creation of echo chambers rather than rising above it. Pointing out this irony was my original thesis. The Boys is not just any show. It gave itself the responsibility of portraying politics. I’m here to say that it’s not doing a good job at it. The entertainment value of this season is fine. I mean it’s the weakest season of the show so far, but then again it’s trying to top those epic fights from last season.
@halfminutehero99
Ай бұрын
This season was pandering trash that felt like it was constantly talking down to half its viewers, I'm not even American and it annoyed me. Besides that barely anything happened, pure filler shit, looking forward to it ending if this is the quality we can expect. It really felt more for the teenager/young adult crowd more than any other season, how many god damn shots of Homelander slowly breaking down is the show expecting to edge off to ffs.
@stereolyne
Ай бұрын
I was here before the woke zombies flooding comments with "the show always was making fun of you righties" mantra. Follow Kripke's advice and go watch something else, like, "Better Call Saul" or "Mr. Robot", for example.
@cynical_chai8922
Ай бұрын
14:00 the writers don't care plain and simple. homelander is literally in call of duty or mortal combat (i dont remember), it's easy to forget they are those people who virtue signal & using politics for their own gain lol. I lowkey feel like a little bit of the show is rage bait to get those views from both those who are rage watching and laughing at the right
@bloodonthecanvasofficial
Ай бұрын
It's Fortnite and Mortal Kombat.
@14ElmStreet28
Ай бұрын
Amazon is in charge of the marketing of their products.
@Mustachioed_Mollusk
Ай бұрын
The show is making fun of nationalism. Homelander? The far left doesn’t take away peoples rights. The far right take untill nothing is left.
@clinicallyarsonistic
28 күн бұрын
The politics becoming more radicalized is a part of the story ramping up though? Homelander was always going to become more and more megalomanic from when he got rid of Stan Edgar, he relishes that he's being practically worshipped like a god. So it was always going to end up with him trying to control the government. From the start, the show was parodying the right, even down to evangelical christianity to corporate practices, fucking homelander leaked compound v into the middle east to justify supes in the military, it's very left leaning in its criticisms. Even the lgbt shit that vought pushes is criticism by the left wing, it is a parody of rainbow capitalism.
@haydenlee3293
Ай бұрын
So. You finally found out what The Boys is about. Just be distrustful of everyone and everything and don't accept love as it is a weakness
@onepunchmantolkienfan5383
Ай бұрын
I am your 51st subs, good video!
@spicypizza6116
Ай бұрын
I’m 52nd. I’m extremely curious if Amazon potentially asks for any edits to the finale, or potentially delays the episode after what happened this weekend. If they would have been more balanced with criticism, I don’t believe that there would be any concerns.
@coolboy9979
Ай бұрын
You seem to miss the point that the whole season is about confronting your past. Which is why frenchie has a lover of which parents he killed, the lover is just a plot object basically so frenchie can confront his past. Kimiko and her clan Starlight has firecracker and her abortion Huei has A-Train and his mother Butcher his mentor and wife. Homelander and his upbringing MM is the only outlier (unless its butcher), which is why he feels a bit odd, like nothing goes on with the character himself, though the season isnt over yet. Firecracker is more like an alex jones type person, just spewing theories and spreading fear. They make fun of the left, they like parodied the pepsi AD, making fun of the fake "wokeness", like starlight only became a part of the team cause she was a woman and was basically the disney princess of the 7. The BLM people taking a cut for themselves isnt exclusive to the left, neither is being outraged when being told otherwise. The false accusation stuff wouldnt work cause the team starlight are more of the underdogs in this case, its not like they hold absoulte power over social media like it does in our world. Like imagine starlight doing a false accusation on someone from the 7, or any one that has to do with vaught, nothing would happen. The abortion stuff was a bit random since it was never mentioned before, but existed there for the tension so starlight can fuck up, (though I feel like firecracker should have mentioned and spinned the SA with starlight and deep, saying she slept her way up instead), the convo after was there to not make it feel completely weird and random. Huwei position is pro life, but starlight is clearly troubled by it and doesnt have a clear positon and feels awful over her decision. You are saying that you find it good that they humanise the homelander forllowers and such and showing that how radicalised they can become, but then you are saying that its too bad that it doesnt show both sides? Sure it would be good, but makes 0 sense for it to happen, unless starlight is truly brought into a deep corner I dont see that ever happening, so there is no opportunity for that to happen. I dont like trump. Any other right winger would have been better than trump, but somehow got a crowd that follow him loyaly while having their ears plugged and eyes closed, so for me its no issue. But even for me it just sometimes feels like "orange man bad" which is a bit tiring, though it still feels natural for the setting, which is why as a whole I dont mind the direction. Unless you a cult following trumpler the season doesnt deserve THAT low of a rating. Its still more of the boys and a good watch even with its missteps. Politics plays a big role, but not the whole role. You cant tell me that this season so far is as bad as madam web. Though if they fuck up the ending as much as they did in season 3, then it might deserve the rating lol. My main issues so far is kimiko and frenchies arc (though for frenchie I hope for a big payout and he seems to turn towards religion to find forgiveness which is a cool detail), The whole barn shit felt like filler and I am still not a fan of the gross sexual humour, like who finds that funny?
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
I don't believe confronting the past is a season-specific theme, but a necessary part of character development for any TV show. Butcher's arc has always been about confronting his past, with Becca, with Lenny and with his father. Starlight confronting her past with her Mom and Dad, Deep with his body image issues, A-Train with his many regrets, etc. These have been important parts to every character since S1. Still, I just straight up think the new arcs are not very entertaining, apart from how it all fits thematically. I think it's possible to include radicalism on the Left and have it make sense. Starlight could be a leader to an increasingly radical starlighter movement. It would be a perfect foil to Homelander who abuses his power, while Starlight struggles with her political power. It's on the writers to weave a beautiful story together, and they are short of the mark this season. Still decent, but the their flawed politics is holding it back. Sure Trump was the main factor in political radicalization in 2016, but the show is doing too much. Using political jabs instead of letting the story progress naturally.
@williamsweeney5249
Ай бұрын
After watching Episode 6 I think MM's way of confronting his past is confronting his OCD and his fear of soldier boy. He clearly hasn't gotten over it and he litteraly had a panic attack because he was scared that he was becoming soldier boy by "killing" Sage
@14ElmStreet28
Ай бұрын
This video is right, The Boys used to be a lot more nuanced and was more about trying to get the audience to be interested in the politics of the world, but now it's just an outlet for the writers to plug in right wing talking points.
@michaelli5605
Ай бұрын
The sage thing you said did not age well
@abrahamicreligionsbowbefor3585
Ай бұрын
it was one shitty forced anti-xtian episode in season 1. it's ruined everything now
@iamnotatroll4118
Ай бұрын
funny how the comics did have less politics yet it's still batter age then this yet we live in 2024 whit AI support and Hollywood still can't write for jack
@nananou1687
Ай бұрын
Yes it does. It's just that you don't like it. Imo, it's pretty great
@vibemasterkorosu2469
Ай бұрын
And this kids, is an example of how you DON'T make a comment
@NiceMilkJugs
Ай бұрын
Garbage take. I won't elaborate further.
@jaymum23
Ай бұрын
2:14 For the writers to also criticize the far left, first there would have to exist a far left in the US. There doesn’t. You have right, and extreme right.
@TRENCHESandTREADS
Ай бұрын
Antifa BLM Rainbow Coalition The Summer of Love AOC The US government may not have far left members for the most part, but US is full of literal avowed communists and radicals of all stripes. Let's not pretend like 'the left' are some tiny fringe resistance movement and not the entrenched power that it is.
@Chilltownify
Ай бұрын
Great season & love it so far! Sorry all you Homelanders/Republicans are getting butthurt for your bigoted beliefs😅
@jimmurlevans5487
Ай бұрын
The show and the comic were always left leaning. It took the right so long to realize the show was making fun of them😂
@caseyhart4999
Ай бұрын
I can already tell any leftists who watch this video are going to be triggered and will try to dunk on you for being the triggered one but this really was a well thought out and fair video. To me The Boys has always been woke leftist propaganda but at least so far it has managed to stay entertaining enough to keep going with it as much as I may roll my eyes when Stan Edgar makes a random as hell comment that he doesn’t have the same privileges as a white guy. Most people aren’t just realizing how that the show has been overtly leftist. We have always known that. It’s just the show has been undeniably getting progressively dumber and dumber as it goes on and it becomes more difficult to overlook the one sided political slop. For fucks sake in the last episode Homelander sees a bullet hole in Sages head and does literally nothing. The guy can see through walls and could have discovered the boys in 2 seconds buts they really gotta drive the point home that Homelander is just so dumb now. I do wonder if they realize they are completely and totally killing any tension that previously existed in the show by jumping the shark like that.
@Taylor-nq9qe
Ай бұрын
Love this review. Very easy to digest and made many great points
@codmvinesyt5865
Ай бұрын
bro did you completely forget about maeve's sexuality used for marketing in s2 and s3
@EthanTheFool
Ай бұрын
I didn’t mention it because it’s not relevant to my argument. My video is about the mistreatment of politics in the show due to poor writing and creative decisions, which ultimately dilutes the impact of the shows message. I said near the beginning that the show has always attacked corporations and celebrities peddling both left and right politics.
@bcianimation9342
Ай бұрын
I’m glad someone finally is talking about how terrible this shows politics have become this season and it’s not just saying it’s always been like this like an idiot
@Jon-en3ph
Ай бұрын
I think they know politics just fine and that the right audience doesn't 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@fwrenjiro
Ай бұрын
just put the fries in the bag bro
@nachogh0st
Ай бұрын
the boys writers makes fun of people like you and thats why your mad
@mufoitzzz8798
Ай бұрын
Every boys fanboy argument lmao
@nachogh0st
Ай бұрын
@@mufoitzzz8798 cope
@rodetranx8802
Ай бұрын
The entire show is all about the left's idea of the right are.
@HopsinThaGoat
Ай бұрын
I still don't get the hate for season 4 and I HATE liberal soy boy anything but this season is still awesome and edgy
@freemoneyish32
Ай бұрын
The show literally makes fun of both sides always. Don’t look at the show as if the boy are the left and vought is the right. Just look at how Vought does the “Woke” movies, commercials, and product placement. The show mainly focuses on the story, none of the political jokes take anything away from it.
@TRENCHESandTREADS
Ай бұрын
But it doesn't make fun of both sides. It makes fun of (in no particular order) Corporations Corpo-leftism grifters Corpo-rightwing grifters Religious rightwing grifters Rightwing in general Christians in general At no point are actual leftwing politics made fun of or satirized, every 'leftwing' joke we see is just the show runners making fun of grifters, nothing more.
@Smspodcast_
Ай бұрын
@@TRENCHESandTREADSso it makes fun of both sides like the comment stated. Thanks for confirming what they said!
@TRENCHESandTREADS
Ай бұрын
@@Smspodcast_ If you actually comprehended what I wrote, no, it clearly doesn't. Thanks for confirming why I have such a low opinion of the show's fans!
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
@@TRENCHESandTREADS Why do the boys not attack student debt relief or healthcare for poor people??? I wanna see Butcher telling people the NHS has wait times for some non time pressing procedures and that's why Americans shouldn't have healthcare.
@testcase6997
Ай бұрын
@@Smspodcast_ This guy wants the show to go after gay marriage or it's a bad show
@willlee6234
Ай бұрын
Great balanced review! Sounds like just another TV series rotting with cheap politics and prioritizing ideology over storytelling as the season goes on.
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
Ай бұрын
Still pretty much the same show. Still very good. If you are so easily offended then that's on you.
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
Ай бұрын
I understand the frustration but just ignore the politics. It's a good show and don't lose interest simply because of politics.
@Greedo.
Ай бұрын
Its literally the same show, and they literally have been doing this since season 1
@Quartermp4
Ай бұрын
@@Greedo.just a blatant lie. There has been a shift in writing staff and it’s obvious. This is beyond politics, even down to the dialogue and the progression of the main story. Progression of which is actually absent from season 4. 6episodes in and we are in the EXACT same position in terms of the main story as we were in episode 1.
@Greedo.
Ай бұрын
@@Quartermp4 but they have been promoting that the political side of the show would be the main focus this season all the way since season 3, even in gen v.. idk why you and alot of other people are upset when this has been set up
@Libra-i6y
Ай бұрын
"the far left" what lol
@divineboi97
Ай бұрын
Still a good show and conservatives just ultimately provide more material to make fun of all you can really criticize the left on is the gender bender nonsense and virtue signaling
@skipper7152
Ай бұрын
Maybe politics and the superhero genre don't mix? Just too convoluted and unrealistic. The original comics, grim and edgy as they were, only explored what too much literal power could do to one man, and was a critique of superheroes. In the TV series, the US' biggest corporation is saying "look, we depicted right wingers as nutjobs with superpowers". It is not a real critique, but more of a childish mockery that has little connection with the real world.
@ellementisinyourwalls
Ай бұрын
your not special
@no-jo9on
Ай бұрын
Ong
@ellementisinyourwalls
Ай бұрын
@@no-jo9on Cant believe people have to fight this hard to seem special like nobodies even talking about whats actually happening they just complain that they depict rich elite people as monsters when they literally are irl too idk what the problem is
@willlee6234
Ай бұрын
@@ellementisinyourwalls because you're so special that people can only care about things that you do, pure narcissism.🤦🏻♂
@TimSlee1
Ай бұрын
you're*
@ellis1469
Ай бұрын
Nuh uh I think your wrong
@gizka6816
Ай бұрын
this dialogue was written by an ai trained on upvoted reddit posts
@McNoob5477
Ай бұрын
Holy crap you are soooooo wrong. Never cook again.
@Riqo2Suave
Ай бұрын
How old are you?
@McNoob5477
Ай бұрын
@@Riqo2Suave why?
@mufoitzzz8798
Ай бұрын
@@McNoob5477cause you sound young they way you can’t make an argument
@McNoob5477
Ай бұрын
@@mufoitzzz8798 first of all just because I didn’t make an essay about how he was wrong doesn’t mean I can’t make an argument. Secondly if I did KZitem would likely delete it. Thirdly there are loads of videos that prove that this man is wrong.
@McNoob5477
Ай бұрын
@@mufoitzzz8798 what’s wrong big boy was wrong?
@abrahamicreligionsbowbefor3585
Ай бұрын
season 3/4 dogshit
@briluvztoast
Ай бұрын
outside of american politics, the right side of the political spectrum is fundamentally about taking away rights. the fact that you're sitting here and complaining that the boys writers doesnt support the right wing is genuinely insane, everything wrong with todays society/world has always stemmed from capitalism, imperialism, and right wing ideaolgies. maybe critically think for once in your life and you would see that the left just wants people to live in happiness and in a healthy manner. every view you have in the video (besides the boring characters in s4) is complete bs and its such an embarrassment that i share the same air with you, genuinely you're just upset that show is calling you out.
@BasedPeterP
Ай бұрын
You say that the left wants people to leave in hapiness but left wing movements like the USSR and Socialist countries on South America killed millions of people, left wing is the same shit as the right wing, and thinking that one side is bad and one side is good is a very innocent thought, also the dude of the video didn't put himself on a right wing position on the complete video but you seethe so much to say "it annoys me to share air with you"
@terrybarnhill9037
Ай бұрын
Feel better now? When you do, ask yourself if he is wrong, then why is the ratings tanking? I am not sure the takeaway is that he agrees with far right views, but that if you produce a show, you don't put politics above story crafting. This has been the case this season. People, on the right, always deal with leftist ideas in shows, but when playing pin the tail on the donkey w the blind fold off, you are going to get called out.
@briluvztoast
Ай бұрын
@@terrybarnhill9037 "feel better now?" you're so corny, they never did put politics above story making. the boys have always been about politics and has always given a realistic view on how superheros would work in our society, the story has always been leading up to a more political arc, genuinely the ratings are tanking because of people not being able to handle getting called out to such a high degree while every other show or media has been so much more subtle in terms of their politics, people on the right do not have any media literacy nor can they handle valid critism.
@clauzelmoutima6490
Ай бұрын
@@briluvztoastyou’re a fanatic
@willlee6234
Ай бұрын
Did your gender studies professor teach you to regurgitate this crap?😂
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